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Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:10 am
by bimboman
6.Jones wrote:That's an appeal to authority, Mog. The fact that every scientific body agrees on a thing doesn't mean it's true. Equal time should be given to people with dissenting opinions. I've set up a voting system in my house for gravity and electricity, just to be sure.

Should we vote on “tipping points” at least ?

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:16 am
by 6.Jones
bimboman wrote:
6.Jones wrote:That's an appeal to authority, Mog. The fact that every scientific body agrees on a thing doesn't mean it's true. Equal time should be given to people with dissenting opinions. I've set up a voting system in my house for gravity and electricity, just to be sure.

Should we vote on “tipping points” at least ?
Voting on tipping points... interesting point. Gladwell would say no. Tipping points are chaotic... it's hard to predict when they'll occur. Which is why we need a series of books about them.

However, there is a branch of mathematics which you'll be familiar with - stochastics and dynamics. We can model them, which is what climate models do.

But you're right - there are tipping points beyond which complex systems can change state rapidly and [in theory] irreversibly - hysteresis.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:19 am
by bimboman
6.Jones wrote:
bimboman wrote:
6.Jones wrote:That's an appeal to authority, Mog. The fact that every scientific body agrees on a thing doesn't mean it's true. Equal time should be given to people with dissenting opinions. I've set up a voting system in my house for gravity and electricity, just to be sure.

Should we vote on “tipping points” at least ?
Voting on tipping points... interesting point. Gladwell would say no. Tipping points are chaotic... it's hard to predict when they'll occur. Which is why we need a series of books about them.

However, there is a branch of mathematics which you'll be familiar with - stochastics and dynamics. We can model them, which is what climate models do.

But you're right - there are tipping points beyond which complex systems can change state rapidly and [in theory] irreversibly - hysteresis.

You mean 95% of scientists don’t agree in a date ?

Shocking

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:23 am
by Mog The Almighty
6.Jones wrote:That's an appeal to authority, Mog. The fact that every scientific body agrees on a thing doesn't mean it's true. Equal time should be given to people with dissenting opinions. I've set up a voting system in my house for gravity and electricity, just to be sure.
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:10 am
by 6.Jones
bimboman wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
bimboman wrote:
6.Jones wrote:That's an appeal to authority, Mog. The fact that every scientific body agrees on a thing doesn't mean it's true. Equal time should be given to people with dissenting opinions. I've set up a voting system in my house for gravity and electricity, just to be sure.

Should we vote on “tipping points” at least ?
Voting on tipping points... interesting point. Gladwell would say no. Tipping points are chaotic... it's hard to predict when they'll occur. Which is why we need a series of books about them.

However, there is a branch of mathematics which you'll be familiar with - stochastics and dynamics. We can model them, which is what climate models do.

But you're right - there are tipping points beyond which complex systems can change state rapidly and [in theory] irreversibly - hysteresis.

You mean 95% of scientists don’t agree in a date ?

Shocking
I used to go on the Arctic Sea Ice Forum, where scientists [and punters like me] meet to discuss the Arctic. Every year, there's a poll about the minimum extent. The range of opinions is as wide among scientists as it is among punters, and punters are as likely to get it right. That's how chaos rolls. The vital thing is knowing which functions are chaotic.

And to also understand that deterministic chaos also has trends, which can be predicted. So we may not be sure when a tipping point will be achieved, but we can sometimes be sure that it will. For that we have thermodynamics and entropy to thank. :thumbup:

On the subject of sea ice, I need some way to get you the bottle of wine I owe you for getting exactly that prediction wrong. 6 . jones @ protonmail . com. Damn the coronavirus and full steam ahead.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:27 am
by bimboman
Sent a test email.

Have you seen this years ice BtW?

Edit bounced. Do it later when dog walked and squats done.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:47 am
by blindcider
Glaston wrote:What is it with climate change protesters and hating grass?

Xtinction lot digging up lawns all over the place and Greta's lot destroying Bristol's College Green.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-51696203


Though they saved the flowers which shows they care.
Gavin Mountjoy commented on Facebook: "Oh the irony, hundreds of people turning up to talk about our planet dying end up destroying a green area."
I went past College Green this morning, grass is already recovering and its looking quite green again

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:13 am
by MungoMan
6.Jones wrote:That's an appeal to authority, Mog. The fact that every scientific body agrees on a thing doesn't mean it's true. Equal time should be given to people with dissenting opinions. I've set up a voting system in my house for gravity and electricity, just to be sure.
I feel excluded and offended on behalf of phlogiston. And I’ve that right. I’ve spent the greater part of my life phlogging.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:25 am
by dantedelew
blindcider wrote:
Glaston wrote:What is it with climate change protesters and hating grass?

Xtinction lot digging up lawns all over the place and Greta's lot destroying Bristol's College Green.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-51696203


Though they saved the flowers which shows they care.
Gavin Mountjoy commented on Facebook: "Oh the irony, hundreds of people turning up to talk about our planet dying end up destroying a green area."
I went past College Green this morning, grass is already recovering and its looking quite green again
Only because disgruntled gammons had worked through the night to restore that patch of wildlife they hold so dear.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:29 am
by Glaston
blindcider wrote:
Glaston wrote:What is it with climate change protesters and hating grass?

Xtinction lot digging up lawns all over the place and Greta's lot destroying Bristol's College Green.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-51696203


Though they saved the flowers which shows they care.
Gavin Mountjoy commented on Facebook: "Oh the irony, hundreds of people turning up to talk about our planet dying end up destroying a green area."
I went past College Green this morning, grass is already recovering and its looking quite green again
After 4 days?
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:30 am
by Glaston
Thomas wrote:
Glaston wrote:What is it with climate change protesters and hating grass?

Xtinction lot digging up lawns all over the place and Greta's lot destroying Bristol's College Green.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-51696203


Though they saved the flowers which shows they care.
Gavin Mountjoy commented on Facebook: "Oh the irony, hundreds of people turning up to talk about our planet dying end up destroying a green area."
Are you Gavin? Also, I bet Gavin is a fat, middle aged white man.
I bet you weigh more than me.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:43 am
by Mog The Almighty
Glaston wrote:
blindcider wrote:
Glaston wrote:What is it with climate change protesters and hating grass?

Xtinction lot digging up lawns all over the place and Greta's lot destroying Bristol's College Green.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-51696203


Though they saved the flowers which shows they care.
Gavin Mountjoy commented on Facebook: "Oh the irony, hundreds of people turning up to talk about our planet dying end up destroying a green area."
I went past College Green this morning, grass is already recovering and its looking quite green again
After 4 days?
Image
It's a f-cking lawn. :roll: It's completely irrelevant.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:04 pm
by Rinkals
bimboman wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
bimboman wrote:
6.Jones wrote:That's an appeal to authority, Mog. The fact that every scientific body agrees on a thing doesn't mean it's true. Equal time should be given to people with dissenting opinions. I've set up a voting system in my house for gravity and electricity, just to be sure.

Should we vote on “tipping points” at least ?
Voting on tipping points... interesting point. Gladwell would say no. Tipping points are chaotic... it's hard to predict when they'll occur. Which is why we need a series of books about them.

However, there is a branch of mathematics which you'll be familiar with - stochastics and dynamics. We can model them, which is what climate models do.

But you're right - there are tipping points beyond which complex systems can change state rapidly and [in theory] irreversibly - hysteresis.

You mean 95% of scientists don’t agree in a date ?

Shocking
As usual, you try to score points by picking on an aspect of someone's post that has no bearing on the context of the discussion. This is dishonest and you are not arguing in good faith.

The consensus is that climate change is occurring and there is a very real danger that we could see an impact which, without action, may be irreversible.

The point is not about the exact date that such a hypothetical event might occur; we may very well have passed it and any action might be useless and ineffectual.

The point is that we should start doing what we can right now because there is a very slim chance that it may not already be too late.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:46 pm
by blindcider
Glaston wrote:
blindcider wrote:
Glaston wrote:What is it with climate change protesters and hating grass?

Xtinction lot digging up lawns all over the place and Greta's lot destroying Bristol's College Green.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-51696203


Though they saved the flowers which shows they care.
Gavin Mountjoy commented on Facebook: "Oh the irony, hundreds of people turning up to talk about our planet dying end up destroying a green area."
I went past College Green this morning, grass is already recovering and its looking quite green again
After 4 days?
Image
Yes, after 4 days

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-51711847

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:07 pm
by 6.Jones
dantedelew wrote:
blindcider wrote:
Glaston wrote:What is it with climate change protesters and hating grass?

Xtinction lot digging up lawns all over the place and Greta's lot destroying Bristol's College Green.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-51696203


Though they saved the flowers which shows they care.
Gavin Mountjoy commented on Facebook: "Oh the irony, hundreds of people turning up to talk about our planet dying end up destroying a green area."
I went past College Green this morning, grass is already recovering and its looking quite green again
Only because disgruntled gammons had worked through the night to restore that patch of wildlife they hold so dear.
The tragedy of the gammons.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:23 pm
by Pat the Ex Mat
6.Jones wrote: The tragedy of the gammons.
It is tragic you can't get gammon in Oz :(

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:41 pm
by bimboman
The point is not about the exact date that such a hypothetical event might occur; we may very well have passed it and any action might be useless and ineffectual.

The point is that we should start doing what we can right now because there is a very slim chance that it may not already be too late.

The exact conundrum being dealt with on climate change is “when” and how bad it will be.


“What we can right now” is as broad a comment regarding a policy which will affect the wealth and well being of the globe by its actions or non actions as can be. I genuinely can’t think of anything more blandly stupid.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:46 pm
by Mog The Almighty
Somewhere between the red & the orange is a small slither, "ok, it's real, and it's caused by humans, but it's probably not a big deal" ...

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Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:48 pm
by 6.Jones
Mog The Almighty wrote:Somewhere between the red & the orange is a small slither, "ok, it's real, and it's caused by humans, but it's probably not a big deal" ...
And there was nothing we could've done about it.
And anyway the task is mitigation.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:49 pm
by 6.Jones
Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
6.Jones wrote: The tragedy of the gammons.
It is tragic you can't get gammon in Oz :(
That's because we're manly men.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:51 pm
by bimboman
Mog The Almighty wrote:Somewhere between the red & the orange is a small slither, "ok, it's real, and it's caused by humans, but it's probably not a big deal" ...

Image

You keep those science papers coming Mog.




And stop chewing the crayons.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:55 pm
by Kiwias
blindcider wrote:
Glaston wrote:What is it with climate change protesters and hating grass?

Xtinction lot digging up lawns all over the place and Greta's lot destroying Bristol's College Green.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-51696203


Though they saved the flowers which shows they care.
Gavin Mountjoy commented on Facebook: "Oh the irony, hundreds of people turning up to talk about our planet dying end up destroying a green area."
I went past College Green this morning, grass is already recovering and its looking quite green again
As one would expect. The damage done by the large number of people was only to the blades of grass above the ground, not to the root base.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:08 pm
by blindcider
Kiwias wrote:
blindcider wrote:
Glaston wrote:What is it with climate change protesters and hating grass?

Xtinction lot digging up lawns all over the place and Greta's lot destroying Bristol's College Green.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-51696203


Though they saved the flowers which shows they care.
Gavin Mountjoy commented on Facebook: "Oh the irony, hundreds of people turning up to talk about our planet dying end up destroying a green area."
I went past College Green this morning, grass is already recovering and its looking quite green again
As one would expect. The damage done by the large number of people was only to the blades of grass above the ground, not to the root base.
absolutely but its always good to counter nonsense spread by credulous plonkers

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:11 pm
by Thomas
Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:13 pm
by bimboman
Thomas wrote:Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Yeah, let’s be environmentally friendly and make everything look like shit.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:21 pm
by Thomas
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Yeah, let’s be environmentally friendly and make everything look like shit.
Yeah, let's ignore the issue and wring our fat porky hands and wail about the lawn.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:25 pm
by bimboman
Thomas wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Yeah, let’s be environmentally friendly and make everything look like shit.
Yeah, let's ignore the issue and wring our fat porky hands and wail about the lawn.

Let address the issue and not make everything look like shit.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:26 pm
by Thomas
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Yeah, let’s be environmentally friendly and make everything look like shit.
Yeah, let's ignore the issue and wring our fat porky hands and wail about the lawn.

Let address the issue and not make everything look like shit.
It's a bit hard when one side has their fingers in their ears going "la la la la"

Anyway, the grass is fine. It has grown back.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:27 pm
by The Man Without Fear
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Yeah, let’s be environmentally friendly and make everything look like shit.
Yeah, let's ignore the issue and wring our fat porky hands and wail about the lawn.

Let address the issue and not make everything look like shit.
Like you give even the vaguest shit.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:29 pm
by Kiwias
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Yeah, let’s be environmentally friendly and make everything look like shit.
It is a patch of grass and will grow back, as indeed it is already doing. People are trying to make it sounds as if a mob swarmed to the grass with the deliberate intent of tearing it up.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:29 pm
by bimboman
I care about the Grass and sensible decisions being made for the whole globe.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:30 pm
by Thomas
Kiwias wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Yeah, let’s be environmentally friendly and make everything look like shit.
It is a patch of grass and will grow back, as indeed it is already doing. People are trying to make it sounds as if a mob swarmed to the grass with the deliberate intent of tearing it up.
They...they stood on it!

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:34 pm
by sturginho
Thomas wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Yeah, let’s be environmentally friendly and make everything look like shit.
It is a patch of grass and will grow back, as indeed it is already doing. People are trying to make it sounds as if a mob swarmed to the grass with the deliberate intent of tearing it up.
They...they stood on it!
Monsters!

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:34 pm
by blindcider
Thomas wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Yeah, let’s be environmentally friendly and make everything look like shit.
It is a patch of grass and will grow back, as indeed it is already doing. People are trying to make it sounds as if a mob swarmed to the grass with the deliberate intent of tearing it up.
They...they stood on it!
More damage is done to it in the Bristol half marathon every September due to the portable toilets and race infrastructure being stood on it for several days

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:35 pm
by Thomas
blindcider wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Yeah, let’s be environmentally friendly and make everything look like shit.
It is a patch of grass and will grow back, as indeed it is already doing. People are trying to make it sounds as if a mob swarmed to the grass with the deliberate intent of tearing it up.
They...they stood on it!
More damage is done to it in the Bristol half marathon every September due to the portable toilets and race infrastructure being stood on it for several days
Oh no!

THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE!??

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:38 pm
by The Man Without Fear
I knew there was a reason why I hated distance running and the emaciated, pain addicted weirdos that participate in the "sport".

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:44 pm
by bimboman
blindcider wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Thomas wrote:Imagine caring about the fucking grass. :lol:

Yeah, let’s be environmentally friendly and make everything look like shit.
It is a patch of grass and will grow back, as indeed it is already doing. People are trying to make it sounds as if a mob swarmed to the grass with the deliberate intent of tearing it up.
They...they stood on it!
More damage is done to it in the Bristol half marathon every September due to the portable toilets and race infrastructure being stood on it for several days

Good idea , ban this too.

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:54 pm
by BokJock
Thomas wrote:
Ah yes, the natural enemy of Greta Thunberg: pasty middle aged white men.

:lol:
Stevie Ralph-Taylor is the most gammon thing I have ever seen :shock:

Kevin Bird is proudly showing off a f**king bud light as his profile pic - he should in no way be taken seriously by anyone ever

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:59 pm
by bimboman
CO2 emissions in the UK fell by 29% over the last decade to the lowest level since 1888, Carbon Brief reports. Energy generation from coal fell by 60% last year, making just 2% of UK supply while 54% of electricity generation is now from low carbon sources. H/T

“And still they don’t listen”

Re: Greta Thunberg

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:05 pm
by fatcat
Damaging the grass is a complete irrelevance but there's no way the grass grew back to that level in 3 days!