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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:33 pm 
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That would be a shame - I like Baldwin. Would he get much game time at Exeter? I can understand wanting a move, and that is undoubtedly a quality outfit where he can progress, but he might find a similar issue there as he finds in Wales. He needs to get himself down the Dragons ;)


Mooar et al keep picking Steff Hughes at centre at #12 or #13. Baldwin only gets out to wing. But Steff Hughes is a good regional player. Baldwn can go all the way potentially. Lacks size, but has bags of pace.


Wikipedia has him down at 6 foot...he looks a lot shorter than that, unless he is just incredibly squat. If you sign Tompkins then you'd have Parkes, JD, Asquith, Fonotia, Steff Hughes, Ioan Nicholas. From what I've seen, I agree, he looks to have a higher ceiling than Hughes, and Nicholas at a pinch. You've got Osian Knott too, another year and he's going to start to be in the mix. Time for a bit of thinning of the herd?


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That would be a shame - I like Baldwin. Would he get much game time at Exeter? I can understand wanting a move, and that is undoubtedly a quality outfit where he can progress, but he might find a similar issue there as he finds in Wales. He needs to get himself down the Dragons ;)


Mooar et al keep picking Steff Hughes at centre at #12 or #13. Baldwin only gets out to wing. But Steff Hughes is a good regional player. Baldwn can go all the way potentially. Lacks size, but has bags of pace.


Wikipedia has him down at 6 foot...he looks a lot shorter than that, unless he is just incredibly squat. If you sign Tompkins then you'd have Parkes, JD, Asquith, Fonotia, Steff Hughes, Ioan Nicholas. From what I've seen, I agree, he looks to have a higher ceiling than Hughes, and Nicholas at a pinch. You've got Osian Knott too, another year and he's going to start to be in the mix. Time for a bit of thinning of the herd?


Yep. You can have in order - Nige's boy (now), Fonotia (season end), Parkes (post Lions at 34), JD (post Lions at 33)

We'll have Asquith, Steff Hughes, Baldwin, Tompkins and Knott to take us forward.


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Yep. You can have in order - Nige's boy (now), Fonotia (season end), Parkes (post Lions at 34), JD (post Lions at 33)

We'll have Asquith, Steff Hughes, Baldwin, Tompkins and Knott to take us forward.


That's a pass on Nicholas - we've got plenty of talented wingers and I don't think he's a step up at 13 on what we already have. Fonotia actually might be a good move on both sides - you free up a space for Tompkins, we get a good quality centre, albeit one in the last phase of his career. A good year or two out of him would do the trick. The others in 2 years time are too late...we need something a bit more urgently.


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Josh Adams out for the remaining 6nations......................Bugger.

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Josh Adams out for the remaining 6nations......................Bugger.

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Josh Adams out for the remaining 6nations......................Bugger.

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Dammit....Zammit?


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Josh Adams out for the remaining 6nations......................Bugger.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51630969



Dammit....Zammit?


You're right Goddammit.


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Toby Booth appointed Ospreys head coach for next season



Well, I`m living in hope now.
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Wonder what sold booth on it.

He rejected Cardiff after the los of Wilson(who himself moved on due to the budget constraints existing and coming) but the Os do have a near £1m more.

Or was it the lure of that 1st team, which is a league winning team imo. I maintain, 2 hookers, a 7, another 10, a wing and full back and a nice long preseason makes them clearly the best team in Wales


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Wonder what sold booth on it.

He rejected Cardiff after the los of Wilson(who himself moved on due to the budget constraints existing and coming) but the Os do have a near £1m more.

Or was it the lure of that 1st team, which is a league winning team imo. I maintain, 2 hookers, a 7, another 10, a wing and full back and a nice long preseason makes them clearly the best team in Wales


It's a great time to take them on - their stock could not be lower, so any kind of improvement will be lauded as good coaching, but, as you say, great first XV...dodgy 2nd XV as we've seen this season - it's an unbelievable drop in class in so many areas once the 1st choice is away.

One area I'll be interested to see if Booth can improve is bringing through young talent, the production line of talent seems to be jammed. The young players who are there seem to be only those out of necessity rather than a plan to develop them. They have some quality young 9s, but they sign Venter? What is the thinking? Hopefully he can provide some direction there.

Lake could well become a star sooner rather than later. Tommy Reffell and Mat Protheroe are apparently targets, so that covers 7 and 15 to some extent. A lot of young talent though...whether that is enough to paper over the 2nd XV cracks I'm not sure.


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Wonder what sold booth on it.

He rejected Cardiff after the los of Wilson(who himself moved on due to the budget constraints existing and coming) but the Os do have a near £1m more.

Or was it the lure of that 1st team, which is a league winning team imo. I maintain, 2 hookers, a 7, another 10, a wing and full back and a nice long preseason makes them clearly the best team in Wales


I'd say the Os are well stocked at hooker (Otten, Parry, Lake) - Have Tips at 7 and Anscombe to come back at 10
(although they clearly need a better back-up than Price)

I'd say they have more pressing need for a decent 8 & some more depth in the back 3


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Wonder what sold booth on it.

He rejected Cardiff after the los of Wilson(who himself moved on due to the budget constraints existing and coming) but the Os do have a near £1m more.

Or was it the lure of that 1st team, which is a league winning team imo. I maintain, 2 hookers, a 7, another 10, a wing and full back and a nice long preseason makes them clearly the best team in Wales


I'd say the Os are well stocked at hooker (Otten, Parry, Lake) - Have Tips at 7 and Anscombe to come back at 10
(although they clearly need a better back-up than Price)

I'd say they have more pressing need for a decent 8 & some more depth in the back 3


They can cope with the likes of Gareth Evans, Dan Baker, Morgan Morris at 8 better than they can cope with Luke Price at 10. They need to start there and work up the list. I'd put the priority list as 10, then a 7...daylight...FB (which would allow Cai Evans to play 10 occasionally although I'm still not entirely convinced by him), then you can look at wingers. After those then maybe get an 8.

When their wingers are fully fit they have North, Luke Morgan, Giles, Dirksen, Klim. Someone who can play wing and FB would be great, but it's ridiculous they got away with having just Dan Evans for so long.


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Given that North has been referred to a specialist before he returns to any kind of rugby, I think it's safe to say that his 6N is over.

And it's absolutely for the best too.

I think everyone would wish him well if he just decided to throw the towel in now for the sake of his health. I hope he gets the chance to chat with Warbs about his experience.


Couldn't agree more. No-one wants to see him risk long-term health for the sake of a few more caps and a few more tries. If he ends up like Muhammad Ali, it will be awful.


He's on 93 Welsh caps with 2+3+4=9 more to go this year. I think the lure of 100 will be too great.

I rather hope it isn't.

At any rate, I'll be shocked if he starts the next 6N game at least given the point about him seeing a concussion specialist (rather than the standard RTP protocols).


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North's season and possibly career is over. His health is everything and that takes precedence over everything.


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Josh Adams out for the remaining 6nations......................Bugger.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51630969

Bugger, time to bring Louis Rees-Zammit in.


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Protheroe signs for the Ospreys. Good signing. Don't know if he'll cover 10 as he mostly plays 15 from what I see of him at Bristol...but talented runner. Good to see him back in Wales.


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Protheroe signs for the Ospreys. Good signing. Don't know if he'll cover 10 as he mostly plays 15 from what I see of him at Bristol...but talented runner. Good to see him back in Wales.

He's played the equivalent (in mins) of ~3 full English Prem matches in his career (spread across 7 games), so I suspect it's a bit premature to make any calls about his best position or whether he's any good.

He scored well in the Championship for Brizzle, including an absolute worldy of a try against the Pirates, but no sign that he's going to make the step up to Prem rugby yet.

He's youngish (23), and will make a decent Pro14 backup for the time-being. Time will tell if he's capable of being any better.


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Protheroe signs for the Ospreys. Good signing. Don't know if he'll cover 10 as he mostly plays 15 from what I see of him at Bristol...but talented runner. Good to see him back in Wales.

He's played the equivalent (in mins) of ~3 full English Prem matches in his career (spread across 7 games), so I suspect it's a bit premature to make any calls about his best position or whether he's any good.

He scored well in the Championship for Brizzle, including an absolute worldy of a try against the Pirates, but no sign that he's going to make the step up to Prem rugby yet.

He's youngish (23), and will make a decent Pro14 backup for the time-being. Time will tell if he's capable of being any better.


He's long been talked about as a stellar talent - being behind the likes of Charles Piutau at Bristol has no doubt made life hard for him, and then at 10 with Madigan and Sheedy there's not an easy route to the 1st XV for him. Good move for him and the Ospreys I reckon.


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Toby Booth appointed Ospreys head coach for next season



Well, I`m living in hope now.
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Good news. :thumbup:


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Protheroe signs for the Ospreys. Good signing. Don't know if he'll cover 10 as he mostly plays 15 from what I see of him at Bristol...but talented runner. Good to see him back in Wales.

He's played the equivalent (in mins) of ~3 full English Prem matches in his career (spread across 7 games), so I suspect it's a bit premature to make any calls about his best position or whether he's any good.

He scored well in the Championship for Brizzle, including an absolute worldy of a try against the Pirates, but no sign that he's going to make the step up to Prem rugby yet.

He's youngish (23), and will make a decent Pro14 backup for the time-being. Time will tell if he's capable of being any better.


He's long been talked about as a stellar talent - being behind the likes of Charles Piutau at Bristol has no doubt made life hard for him, and then at 10 with Madigan and Sheedy there's not an easy route to the 1st XV for him. Good move for him and the Ospreys I reckon.

Absolutely. The 'talent' thing has followed him since he was signed by Gloucester from Hartpury, but he's not really had the chance to show whether it was justified in the Prem yet.

He could just end up being another decent Champ player, but I'd like to hope he amounts to more than that.


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Has to be exceptionally gash to not play infront of price at 10
Or the somehow more gash, cai Evans

Did play in the worst England u20 side I've ever seen


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https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-news/35279/cardiff-blues-coach-john-mulvihill-in-market-to-reinforce-front-five/

Blues looking at a few options at lock from SA...Sintu Manjezi (apparently the Dragons are also interested), Hyron Andrews, Ian Groenewald, Bobby de Wee. Also confirms they are trying to bring Rhys Carre back.

Can't say I know any of those locks, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say they are improvements on Filo Paulo. I particularly like the idea of someone signing de Wee, so we can ask beth yw eich enw and get the answer Bobby dw i...picks up Welsh fast that lad.


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https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-news/35279/cardiff-blues-coach-john-mulvihill-in-market-to-reinforce-front-five/

Blues looking at a few options at lock from SA...Sintu Manjezi (apparently the Dragons are also interested), Hyron Andrews, Ian Groenewald, Bobby de Wee. Also confirms they are trying to bring Rhys Carre back.

Can't say I know any of those locks, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say they are improvements on Filo Paulo. I particularly like the idea of someone signing de Wee, so we can ask beth yw eich enw and get the answer Bobby dw i...picks up Welsh fast that lad.


Bobby de Wee is a great name! :lol:


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Has to be exceptionally gash to not play infront of price at 10
Or the somehow more gash, cai Evans

Did play in the worst England u20 side I've ever seen


Tbf, he was the best player for them in the Wales England game that year. I remember I made the clearly hilarious and factual correct observation that the best 16 players in the pitch were all Welsh. That was the year Keddie and Ollie Griffiths were pulling up trees for our U20's.


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Has to be exceptionally gash to not play infront of price at 10
Or the somehow more gash, cai Evans

Did play in the worst England u20 side I've ever seen


Tbf, he was the best player for them in the Wales England game that year. I remember I made the clearly hilarious and factual correct observation that the best 16 players in the pitch were all Welsh. That was the year Keddie and Ollie Griffiths were pulling up trees for our U20's.


2016? No Ollie Griffiths, but a good crop...Keelan Giles was electric, and a big pack, especially a front 5 with Dillon Lewis, Leon Brown, Adam Beard. As you say Keddie was stand out.

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Wales Under-20s: Rhun Williams (RGC); George Gasson (Dragons), Harri Millard (Cardiff Blues), Owen Watkin (Ospreys), Keelan Giles (Ospreys); Daniel Jones (Scarlets), Reuben Morgan-Williams (Ospreys); Corey Domachowski (Cardiff Blues), Dafydd Hughes (Scarlets), Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues), Shane Lewis-Hughes (Cardiff Blues), Adam Beard (Ospreys), Tom Phillips (captain, Scarlets), Shaun Evans (Scarlets), Harrison Keddie (Newport Gwent Dragons)

Replacements: Ifan Phillips (Scarlets), Rhys Fawcett (Scarlets), Leon Brown (Newport Gwent Dragons), Bryce Morgan (Newport Gwent Dragons), Morgan Sieniawski (Cardiff Blues), Declan Smith (Scarlets), Billy McBryde (Scarlets), Joe Thomas (Ospreys)


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Has to be exceptionally gash to not play infront of price at 10
Or the somehow more gash, cai Evans

Did play in the worst England u20 side I've ever seen


Tbf, he was the best player for them in the Wales England game that year. I remember I made the clearly hilarious and factual correct observation that the best 16 players in the pitch were all Welsh. That was the year Keddie and Ollie Griffiths were pulling up trees for our U20's.


2016? No Ollie Griffiths, but a good crop...Keelan Giles was electric, and a big pack, especially a front 5 with Dillon Lewis, Leon Brown, Adam Beard. As you say Keddie was stand out.

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Wales Under-20s: Rhun Williams (RGC); George Gasson (Dragons), Harri Millard (Cardiff Blues), Owen Watkin (Ospreys), Keelan Giles (Ospreys); Daniel Jones (Scarlets), Reuben Morgan-Williams (Ospreys); Corey Domachowski (Cardiff Blues), Dafydd Hughes (Scarlets), Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues), Shane Lewis-Hughes (Cardiff Blues), Adam Beard (Ospreys), Tom Phillips (captain, Scarlets), Shaun Evans (Scarlets), Harrison Keddie (Newport Gwent Dragons)

Replacements: Ifan Phillips (Scarlets), Rhys Fawcett (Scarlets), Leon Brown (Newport Gwent Dragons), Bryce Morgan (Newport Gwent Dragons), Morgan Sieniawski (Cardiff Blues), Declan Smith (Scarlets), Billy McBryde (Scarlets), Joe Thomas (Ospreys)

Should we be a bit disappointed at how few of those lot have made it into the senior setup, 4 years down the line?


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Plenty of the Cardiff boys are solid pros.

What is noticeable is how many from the scarlets academy melted away into nothing, and how on earth mcbride and Jones were selected over jarrod


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Such a shame Giles has been blighted by injury


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Plenty of the Cardiff boys are solid pros.

What is noticeable is how many from the scarlets academy melted away into nothing, and how on earth mcbride and Jones were selected over jarrod


Don't ever change


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Such a shame Giles has been blighted by injury


Rhun, Tom Phillips and Keddie as well.


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Flier - were you fingered by a Turk as a small boy?


It seems we're an itch he just can't scratch.


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[quote="Theflier"]Plenty of the Cardiff boys are solid pros.

What is noticeable is how many from the scarlets academy melted away into nothing, and how on earth mcbride and Jones were selected over jarrod[/quote

Yes shame they persisted with Jones. If only they went with Jarrod they might have won a grand sl

Oh never mind


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Protheroe signs for the Ospreys. Good signing. Don't know if he'll cover 10 as he mostly plays 15 from what I see of him at Bristol...but talented runner. Good to see him back in Wales.


fudge that guy. He is a traitor who realised he will never play for England. Anything he says now is lip service


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Do you blame the lad after he was released by the Ospreys?

I make that 1/2p, sanjay, and protheroe who've all been released by the Os, and Cai Evans, the worst pro player I've seen since Josh Tyler offered a contract.

But of course, (west) wales rugby isn't ruled by nepotism


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Do you blame the lad after he was released by the Ospreys?

I make that 1/2p, sanjay, and protheroe who've all been released by the Os, and Cai Evans, the worst pro player I've seen since Josh Tyler offered a contract.

But of course, (west) wales rugby isn't ruled by nepotism



:roll: :roll: :roll:

So you have never seen Luke Price play


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Do you blame the lad after he was released by the Ospreys?

I make that 1/2p, sanjay, and protheroe who've all been released by the Os, and Cai Evans, the worst pro player I've seen since Josh Tyler offered a contract.

But of course, (west) wales rugby isn't ruled by nepotism



:roll: :roll: :roll:

So you have never seen Luke Price play


Cai Evans has been a bit sh*t but out of position, Luke Price has been worse and in his favoured position. Cai Evans has a way to go before he takes the title away.


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We’ve moved on to Liam Williams after news Wayne Pivac has decided to keep him in camp ahead of next week’s Six Nations clash.

Jones: “He’s training with us. It’s nice to have him on the training paddock.

“Liam and Josh Navidi are in our environment. They’re getting the reps and load that’s needed to be available for selection.

“Hopefully they can tick every box.”


I'd be wary of playing either of them straight away, but good news that they are both close.

Also on North

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“He’s doing very well. It’s well documented that George has had concussion but he’s doing well with our medical team.”


Doesn't sound like our alarm over North is justified.

EDIT: Points out his last concussion was four years ago.


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Do you blame the lad after he was released by the Ospreys?

I make that 1/2p, sanjay, and protheroe who've all been released by the Os, and Cai Evans, the worst pro player I've seen since Josh Tyler offered a contract.

But of course, (west) wales rugby isn't ruled by nepotism



:roll: :roll: :roll:

So you have never seen Luke Price play


Cai Evans has been a bit sh*t but out of position, Luke Price has been worse and in his favoured position. Cai Evans has a way to go before he takes the title away.


So the O's are having who's the worst competition?


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Plenty of the Cardiff boys are solid pros.

I feel like we should aspire for our international age-grade pathway to be producing more than "solid pros".

And, given that Cardiff are hovering just above Benetton (and the Kings) in their conference, I'm not sure your "solid" holds much water either.


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