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Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 5:03 pm
by openclashXX
This is going to end badly
Dragons are set to appoint Dean Ryan, the former Worcester director of rugby, as their new head coach.
The 52-year-old will take over at Rodney Parade in place of Bernard Jackman, who left in December 2018.
Ceri Jones has coached the Welsh Pro 14 region in an interim role since the departure of the former Ireland hooker.
Ryan has been the Rugby Football Union's head of international player development since July 2016, after three years at the Worcester helm.
The former England number eight is no stranger to Rodney Parade, as he took on the role of rugby consultant for Dragons in December 2012.
Ryan has also coached Bristol and Gloucester, and was Scotland assistant coach from 2012-13.
Dragons finished second bottom of Pro14 Conference B last season, with five wins from 21 games, despite a recruitment drive last summer that included the arrival of Wales internationals Ross Moriarty, Richard Hibbard and Aaron Jarvis.
However, Dragons did finish on a high by beating Welsh rivals Scarlets 34-32 in the Judgement Day regular season finale at the Principality Stadium in Cardiff.
It has been a period of upheaval for the Gwent outfit, with Dragons managing director Mike Davies also leaving his role in April after a year in the job.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 5:06 pm
by Carwyn
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 5:14 pm
by Nieghorn
Didn't he just fudge up things within the RFU development pathway... and now he's off? With the changes made, one would have thought he was in it for a few more years?
Blessing for England, I guess... good luck NGD?
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 5:18 pm
by Raggs
I think he was meant to be an axe man. That's been done.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 5:35 pm
by sockwithaticket
This is a pretty good example of 'it couldn't get any worse' appointing.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 6:41 pm
by eldanielfire
Nieghorn wrote:Didn't he just fudge up things within the RFU development pathway... and now he's off? With the changes made, one would have thought he was in it for a few more years?
Blessing for England, I guess... good luck NGD?
Exactly my thoughts. Just went nuclear on the coaches and is now off.
The positives here is that he can't make the Dragons any worse.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 6:50 pm
by SaintK
eldanielfire wrote:Nieghorn wrote:Didn't he just fudge up things within the RFU development pathway... and now he's off? With the changes made, one would have thought he was in it for a few more years?
Blessing for England, I guess... good luck NGD?
Exactly my thoughts. Just went nuclear on the coaches and is now off.
The positives here is that he can't make the Dragons any worse.
Who will take over his position at the RFU. Mallinder and Bates would be in pole position I guess?
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 6:59 pm
by Jimcardiff
eldanielfire wrote:Nieghorn wrote:Didn't he just fudge up things within the RFU development pathway... and now he's off? With the changes made, one would have thought he was in it for a few more years?
Blessing for England, I guess... good luck NGD?
Exactly my thoughts. Just went nuclear on the coaches and is now off.
The positives here is that he can't make the Dragons any worse.
Hope we are not sorry that was said ,
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 7:24 pm
by A5D5E5
What would possess any team to appoint him to do anything that doesn't involve a mop and bucket?
How does he do it? Steals a living everywhere he goes.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 7:44 pm
by eldanielfire
SaintK wrote:eldanielfire wrote:Nieghorn wrote:Didn't he just fudge up things within the RFU development pathway... and now he's off? With the changes made, one would have thought he was in it for a few more years?
Blessing for England, I guess... good luck NGD?
Exactly my thoughts. Just went nuclear on the coaches and is now off.
The positives here is that he can't make the Dragons any worse.
Who will take over his position at the RFU. Mallinder and Bates would be in pole position I guess?
Probably, unless they Mallinder just wants head coach jobs. Who did they replace the youth coaches Ryan fired with?
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 8:00 pm
by camroc1
I think it's a good signing as he's a good coach.
Good for the Dragons !
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 9:20 pm
by MrDominator
It's always amazing how reliably shit the PR 'take' is on any given coach.
Speak to anyone who's actually been coached by Ryan - as opposed to dribbling about him on a forum - and they'll tell you he's excellent.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:04 pm
by Jeff the Bear
MrDominator wrote:It's always amazing how reliably shit the PR 'take' is on any given coach.
Speak to anyone who's actually been coached by Ryan - as opposed to dribbling about him on a forum - and they'll tell you he's excellent.
Isn't he another in a long line of "good coaches not cut out for the top job".
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:10 pm
by Crash_12
Needs a DOR.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:24 pm
by Chuckles1188
MrDominator wrote:It's always amazing how reliably shit the PR 'take' is on any given coach.
Speak to anyone who's actually been coached by Ryan - as opposed to dribbling about him on a forum - and they'll tell you he's excellent.
Dean Ryan is a conman and you are a doorknob-f
ucking retard
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 10:32 pm
by Crash_12
A conman
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 11:38 pm
by fishfoodie
Jeff the Bear wrote:MrDominator wrote:It's always amazing how reliably shit the PR 'take' is on any given coach.
Speak to anyone who's actually been coached by Ryan - as opposed to dribbling about him on a forum - and they'll tell you he's excellent.
Isn't he another in a long line of "good coaches not cut out for the top job".
Or perhaps he's someone who needs to fail first, before he can learn the lessons to succeed ?
In a lot of leadership roles in life; there's a trap that people fall into, that they try to do everything themselves, & when they fail; they get labelled as failures; even though, they can still learn from that failure. Even in team sports; the real performers, are first & foremost, Individual athletes, & that carries into their coaching careers.
The key to real leadership, is that management of people, where the leader delegates the bits they have to; & they just write the music, even if they don't play the tunes themselves.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:08 pm
by openclashXX
Confirmed
Good luck to all involved, you will need it
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:10 pm
by Mick Mannock
Chuckles1188 wrote:MrDominator wrote:It's always amazing how reliably shit the PR 'take' is on any given coach.
Speak to anyone who's actually been coached by Ryan - as opposed to dribbling about him on a forum - and they'll tell you he's excellent.
Dean Ryan is a conman and you are a doorknob-f
ucking retard
But is he ginger?
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:15 pm
by openclashXX
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:31 pm
by eldanielfire
fishfoodie wrote:Jeff the Bear wrote:MrDominator wrote:It's always amazing how reliably shit the PR 'take' is on any given coach.
Speak to anyone who's actually been coached by Ryan - as opposed to dribbling about him on a forum - and they'll tell you he's excellent.
Isn't he another in a long line of "good coaches not cut out for the top job".
Or perhaps he's someone who needs to fail first, before he can learn the lessons to succeed ?
In a lot of leadership roles in life; there's a trap that people fall into, that they try to do everything themselves, & when they fail; they get labelled as failures; even though, they can still learn from that failure. Even in team sports; the real performers, are first & foremost, Individual athletes, & that carries into their coaching careers.
The key to real leadership, is that management of people, where the leader delegates the bits they have to; & they just write the music, even if they don't play the tunes themselves.
One of the issues with English rugby is that failed coaches with good contacts or the talk a good game often get RFU positions then shoved into top jobs when they are not prepared for them. There doesn't seem many who are happy to do their time in the Championship or nationals and work under more successful coaches as they climb the ladder. It's what basically all kiwi coaches have done and they are widely the best group of coaches out there and it isn't close.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 1:01 pm
by Brumby_in_Vic
Calling him a conman is a disgrace. I don’t think he has got the results in all of the job he has undertaken.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 1:24 pm
by Glaston
Can some one go round and console DAC.
FFS, if the word spoofer was meant for anyone it is Ryan.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 3:32 pm
by eldanielfire
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:Calling him a conman is a disgrace. I don’t think he has got the results in all of the job he has undertaken.
His first few years at Gloucester were a huge success. He just didn't get over the final hurdle in the league. He's supposed to be a brilliant mind in rugby circles but I've said before rugby circles seem to think chat = success in far to many cases.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 3:45 pm
by AND-y
openclashXX wrote:
Monmouthshire Building Society
Welsh rugby
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:18 pm
by bessantj
openclashXX wrote:
He's bound to deliver the Dragons eight wins in the league next year at minimum and I won't hear otherwise.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:14 pm
by openclashXX
AND-y wrote:openclashXX wrote:
Monmouthshire Building Society
Well it was either them or Etihad right
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:39 pm
by bessantj
openclashXX wrote:AND-y wrote:openclashXX wrote:
Monmouthshire Building Society
Well it was either them or Etihad right
It was them or the Queen herself. But Philip said something racist and the Dragons had to disavow.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:55 pm
by A5D5E5
At last English rugby catches a break.
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 10:28 am
by grubberkick
AND-y wrote:openclashXX wrote:
Monmouthshire Building Society
Welsh rugby
MBS, Bank of Wales?
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 4:35 pm
by eldanielfire
I see some of the reason for it, the Telegraph says:
"The RFU board will also discuss plans to axe over £2.5 million from the professional game board, with expected cuts to the age-group budget thought to have been one of the factors behind Dean Ryan’s decision to resign as head of international player development to become director of rugby at Pro 14 side Dragons on Tuesday."
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:00 am
by Pebbles
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:11 am
by SaintK
eldanielfire wrote:I see some of the reason for it, the Telegraph says:
"The RFU board will also discuss plans to axe over £2.5 million from the professional game board, with expected cuts to the age-group budget thought to have been one of the factors behind Dean Ryan’s decision to resign as head of international player development to become director of rugby at Pro 14 side Dragons on Tuesday."
Can they make many more cuts?
The RFU bought Ryan in to restructure the coaching and support structures at U20 and below. Which he did in a very hard-hearted manner
Re: Dean Ryan to NG Dragons
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:41 pm
by Pebbles
SaintK wrote:
Can they make many more cuts?
The RFU bought Ryan in to restructure the coaching and support structures at U20 and below. Which he did in a very hard-hearted manner
Someone like Simon Sinek would now (rightly) point out that the best way to handle this would be collectively. The governing body have let down the community game by mismanaging funds but the Pro side of the business shoulders none of the burden. Instead further cuts are required & more jobs will go.
FWIW it's good riddance I think to DR. Everything I've heard about how he handled himself whilst at the RFU is toxic.
