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Championship finished ages ago. I recall Madigan saying that Bristol had a really long preseason last year when they were in the same boat.Liathroidigloine wrote:LI back for pre season training today. That's mad Ted.
We do though, one of the jurors answered a load of questions online immediately after the trial (since deleted though for legal reasons) and was subsequently investigated for contempt of court but not charged.Mullet 2 wrote:eldanielfire wrote:Not quite, Jury's pass with no reasonable doubt. It can be down to there not being enough evidence and how reasonable doubt is presented. Someone said the judge said any doubt not guilty. The Jury could have believed them guilty but passed the sentence on those grounds. Rape cases are notoriously difficult to prove under those circumstances, especially given the confusion and trauma the victim experiences. It's enough the police and just about every expert on the field believe most rape cases don't end in prison sentences.earl the beaver wrote:The way the jury considered her story to be bollocks?alliswell wrote:We heard stuff like this all the way through the trial from people supposedly in the know. We were also told that there would be cases for wrongful prosecution and big payouts from the PSNI. I would be wary of the gossip that you pick up on the street because lots of it in this case has proven to be bollocks.
You or Earl have no idea how credible the jury thought the case.
He has no idea they thought her statement was "bollocks"
And you have zero idea it only fell on a technical failure to prove.
So shut your hole about it you fúcking scumbag.
You have proposed an alternative though - that PJ (an innocent man) should be banished from our society. That of course does not address any imperfections (which I would agree exist) in our/your legal system at all and is just a wit kant's move, but you seem to be okay with that.eldanielfire wrote:I never said that did I? Can't you understand how I can describe the imperfections in a system without proposing an alternative?Mullet 2 wrote:eldanielfire wrote:
How is it genuine madness?
Are you denying that the police and all relevant experts believe most rapes do not result in prison sentences? Do you not believe that a Jury can believe in someones guilt but objectively have to make a different decision on what was actually presented?
Because both situations are true. A Courts ruling is not some scientific fact, the fact different courts and different court systems have different interpretations of what exactly constitutes guilt can't all be perfect.
Just leave it up to you to make the judgement so?
I've said no such thing. In fact I offered several alternatives to what Jackson can get on with.PornDog wrote:I never said that did I? Can't you understand how I can describe the imperfections in a system without proposing an alternative?eldanielfire wrote:Mullet 2 wrote:eldanielfire wrote:
How is it genuine madness?
Are you denying that the police and all relevant experts believe most rapes do not result in prison sentences? Do you not believe that a Jury can believe in someones guilt but objectively have to make a different decision on what was actually presented?
Because both situations are true. A Courts ruling is not some scientific fact, the fact different courts and different court systems have different interpretations of what exactly constitutes guilt can't all be perfect.
Just leave it up to you to make the judgement so?
You have proposed an alternative though - that PJ (an innocent man) should be banished from our society. That of course does not address any imperfections (which I would agree exist) in our/your legal system at all and is just a plum's move, but you seem to be okay with that.
So you're Jury and Parole Officer rolled into one - are you sure you're not taking on too much here?eldanielfire wrote:I've said no such thing. In fact I offered several alternatives to what Jackson can get on with.PornDog wrote:I never said that did I? Can't you understand how I can describe the imperfections in a system without proposing an alternative?eldanielfire wrote:Mullet 2 wrote:eldanielfire wrote:
How is it genuine madness?
Are you denying that the police and all relevant experts believe most rapes do not result in prison sentences? Do you not believe that a Jury can believe in someones guilt but objectively have to make a different decision on what was actually presented?
Because both situations are true. A Courts ruling is not some scientific fact, the fact different courts and different court systems have different interpretations of what exactly constitutes guilt can't all be perfect.
Just leave it up to you to make the judgement so?
You have proposed an alternative though - that PJ (an innocent man) should be banished from our society. That of course does not address any imperfections (which I would agree exist) in our/your legal system at all and is just a plum's move, but you seem to be okay with that.
PornDog wrote:
So you're Jury and Parole Officer rolled into one - are you sure you're not taking on too much here?
Who are you to decide (apart from a pitchfork wielding loon) what an innocent man can or cannot do to put his life back together after already paying a massive price for the mistakes he has made?
This is mob bullying, short and simple.
I guess no one in your eyes are allowed to hold an opinion then, ever! You're perfectly entitled to your opinion - but when you believe your opinion is more informed than 12 jurors, and when you believe you have the right to dictate what jobs other people can and cannot take on because of your own prejudices - then I am entitled to form the opinion that you are a kunt!eldanielfire wrote:PornDog wrote:
So you're Jury and Parole Officer rolled into one - are you sure you're not taking on too much here?
Who are you to decide (apart from a pitchfork wielding loon) what an innocent man can or cannot do to put his life back together after already paying a massive price for the mistakes he has made?
This is mob bullying, short and simple.
Nobody is falling for your weasel trick.eldanielfire wrote:I never said that did I? Can't you understand how I can describe the imperfections in a system without proposing an alternative?Mullet 2 wrote:eldanielfire wrote:
How is it genuine madness?
Are you denying that the police and all relevant experts believe most rapes do not result in prison sentences? Do you not believe that a Jury can believe in someones guilt but objectively have to make a different decision on what was actually presented?
Because both situations are true. A Courts ruling is not some scientific fact, the fact different courts and different court systems have different interpretations of what exactly constitutes guilt can't all be perfect.
Just leave it up to you to make the judgement so?
I've really upset you today haven't I? Must be terrible to be so thin skinned, easily shaken and unmanly.
What a thick cúnt
eldanielfire wrote:PornDog wrote:
So you're Jury and Parole Officer rolled into one - are you sure you're not taking on too much here?
Who are you to decide (apart from a pitchfork wielding loon) what an innocent man can or cannot do to put his life back together after already paying a massive price for the mistakes he has made?
This is mob bullying, short and simple.
You haven’t actually answered the questions other than dance about the statementeldanielfire wrote:PornDog wrote:
So you're Jury and Parole Officer rolled into one - are you sure you're not taking on too much here?
Who are you to decide (apart from a pitchfork wielding loon) what an innocent man can or cannot do to put his life back together after already paying a massive price for the mistakes he has made?
This is mob bullying, short and simple.
How do you square this view with your "anti SJW" trying to de-platform people. This is an outrage mob trying to keep people out of a job in their home country based on nothing more than an opinion. You were defending this guy on the youtube threadeldanielfire wrote:I've read it. But this sin't a case of offense culture, whatever your specific belief about what ahppened that night there is enough that many people find the attitude and behaviour pretty disgusting. So shooting back into the cultural sphere at the very earliest opportunity, into a job where hero worship is often part of the deal of playing a sport, barely a year after the verdict is only going to get people and and rightfully so.Duff Paddy wrote:Go read Jon Ronson’s So You’ve Been Publically Shamed. Goes through several of these internet witch hunt type stories, including the one about the English PR lady who made the AIDS joke on Twitter before boarding a flight to South Africa. He goes into the malice of the lynch mob and how they aren’t happy unless they have completely ruined the life of their victim, it’s an ugly side of the human psyche
If he stayed in France or got a job in another field, no one would care.
For the avoidance of doubt, I think sponsors are entitled to make their own decisions even if I don't agree with it.Steven Crowder
Verified account @scrowder
If a feminist is raped in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, is she still heinously unattractive?
8:57 PM - 11 Jun 2016
One that doesn't include exile?eldanielfire wrote:I've said no such thing. In fact I offered several alternatives to what Jackson can get on with.
Steven Crowder.paddyor wrote:How do you square this view with your "anti SJW" trying to de-platform people. This is an outrage mob trying to keep people out of a job in their home country based on nothing more than an opinion. You were defending this guy on the youtube threadeldanielfire wrote:I've read it. But this sin't a case of offense culture, whatever your specific belief about what ahppened that night there is enough that many people find the attitude and behaviour pretty disgusting. So shooting back into the cultural sphere at the very earliest opportunity, into a job where hero worship is often part of the deal of playing a sport, barely a year after the verdict is only going to get people and and rightfully so.Duff Paddy wrote:Go read Jon Ronson’s So You’ve Been Publically Shamed. Goes through several of these internet witch hunt type stories, including the one about the English PR lady who made the AIDS joke on Twitter before boarding a flight to South Africa. He goes into the malice of the lynch mob and how they aren’t happy unless they have completely ruined the life of their victim, it’s an ugly side of the human psyche
If he stayed in France or got a job in another field, no one would care.
For the avoidance of doubt, I think sponsors are entitled to make their own decisions even if I don't agree with it.Steven Crowder
Verified account @scrowder
If a feminist is raped in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, is she still heinously unattractive?
8:57 PM - 11 Jun 2016
Obviously not, he can be another societies problem to reintegrate...paddyor wrote:One that doesn't include exile?eldanielfire wrote:I've said no such thing. In fact I offered several alternatives to what Jackson can get on with.
Yes they are. Except the common people in North Korea. And women in Saudi Arabia.Liathroidigloine wrote:I hate this shit where we are told that "everyone is entitled to their opinion". No they f**king well aren't.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. It doesn't mean that everyone's opinion should be treated with equal validity or authority.eldanielfire wrote:Yes they are. Except the common people in North Korea. And women in Saudi Arabia.Liathroidigloine wrote:I hate this shit where we are told that "everyone is entitled to their opinion". No they f**king well aren't.
You're opressing me, Nazi!Nolanator wrote:Everyone's entitled to their opinion. It doesn't mean that everyone's opinion should be treated with equal validity or authority.eldanielfire wrote:Yes they are. Except the common people in North Korea. And women in Saudi Arabia.Liathroidigloine wrote:I hate this shit where we are told that "everyone is entitled to their opinion". No they f**king well aren't.
Except that Paddy Jackson being innocent of rape is a fact, not an opinion, and therefore shouldn't be facing the consequences of any such crimeNolanator wrote:Everyone's entitled to their opinion. It doesn't mean that everyone's opinion should be treated with equal validity or authority.eldanielfire wrote:Yes they are. Except the common people in North Korea. And women in Saudi Arabia.Liathroidigloine wrote:I hate this shit where we are told that "everyone is entitled to their opinion". No they f**king well aren't.
HeadshotUlsters Red Hand wrote:Except that Paddy Jackson being innocent of rape is a fact, not an opinion, and therefore shouldn't be facing the consequences of any such crimeNolanator wrote:Everyone's entitled to their opinion. It doesn't mean that everyone's opinion should be treated with equal validity or authority.eldanielfire wrote:Yes they are. Except the common people in North Korea. And women in Saudi Arabia.Liathroidigloine wrote:I hate this shit where we are told that "everyone is entitled to their opinion". No they f**king well aren't.
In a statement to the Press Association Jackson said he was “ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state. That was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening”.
He’s also apologised for the “degrading and offensive” language used in a Whatsapp group.
“The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public.” Jackson added.
“Following the trial I have taken time to reflect with my family on the values that were such an integral part of my upbringing, the most important of which is respect.
“My departure from these values has caused understandable public anger and I am resolutely committed to returning to those principles.”
Is there a point in this post at any time?Nobleman wrote:In a statement to the Press Association Jackson said he was “ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state. That was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening”.
He’s also apologised for the “degrading and offensive” language used in a Whatsapp group.
“The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public.” Jackson added.
“Following the trial I have taken time to reflect with my family on the values that were such an integral part of my upbringing, the most important of which is respect.
“My departure from these values has caused understandable public anger and I am resolutely committed to returning to those principles.”
He's saying the criticism of his behaviour is fully justified. Can't you read?Winnie wrote:Is there a point in this post at any time?Nobleman wrote:In a statement to the Press Association Jackson said he was “ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state. That was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening”.
He’s also apologised for the “degrading and offensive” language used in a Whatsapp group.
“The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public.” Jackson added.
“Following the trial I have taken time to reflect with my family on the values that were such an integral part of my upbringing, the most important of which is respect.
“My departure from these values has caused understandable public anger and I am resolutely committed to returning to those principles.”
He said that after previously threatening to sue everyone after the trial. Olding at least showed some remorse immediately afterwards and has the added benefit of no history of racism.Nobleman wrote:In a statement to the Press Association Jackson said he was “ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state. That was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening”.
He’s also apologised for the “degrading and offensive” language used in a Whatsapp group.
“The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public.” Jackson added.
“Following the trial I have taken time to reflect with my family on the values that were such an integral part of my upbringing, the most important of which is respect.
“My departure from these values has caused understandable public anger and I am resolutely committed to returning to those principles.”
There's also a difference between criticising someone and wanting them hung out to dry/exiled/however you want to put iteldanielfire wrote:He's saying the criticism of his behaviour is fully justified. Can't you read?Winnie wrote:Is there a point in this post at any time?Nobleman wrote:In a statement to the Press Association Jackson said he was “ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state. That was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening”.
He’s also apologised for the “degrading and offensive” language used in a Whatsapp group.
“The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public.” Jackson added.
“Following the trial I have taken time to reflect with my family on the values that were such an integral part of my upbringing, the most important of which is respect.
“My departure from these values has caused understandable public anger and I am resolutely committed to returning to those principles.”
He also said he is committed to returning to his family valueseldanielfire wrote:He's saying the criticism of his behaviour is fully justified. Can't you read?Winnie wrote:Is there a point in this post at any time?Nobleman wrote:In a statement to the Press Association Jackson said he was “ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state. That was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening”.
He’s also apologised for the “degrading and offensive” language used in a Whatsapp group.
“The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public.” Jackson added.
“Following the trial I have taken time to reflect with my family on the values that were such an integral part of my upbringing, the most important of which is respect.
“My departure from these values has caused understandable public anger and I am resolutely committed to returning to those principles.”
And where does he say he acted in the wrong?Jumper wrote:He said that after previously threatening to sue everyone after the trial. Olding at least showed some remorse immediately afterwards and has the added benefit of no history of racism.Nobleman wrote:In a statement to the Press Association Jackson said he was “ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state. That was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening”.
He’s also apologised for the “degrading and offensive” language used in a Whatsapp group.
“The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public.” Jackson added.
“Following the trial I have taken time to reflect with my family on the values that were such an integral part of my upbringing, the most important of which is respect.
“My departure from these values has caused understandable public anger and I am resolutely committed to returning to those principles.”
Interesting also that he managed to acknowledge that he acted in the wrong despite the protestations of Earl et al.
Criticism of his behaviour is fully justified, behaviour that led to him losing his job, having his name and reputation destroyed and cost him probably over a million pounds. That's despite being found not guilty of a crime. You want him to be perpetually extricated from our society. This makes you a kunt. Can't you understand that?eldanielfire wrote:He's saying the criticism of his behaviour is fully justified. Can't you read?Winnie wrote:Is there a point in this post at any time?Nobleman wrote:In a statement to the Press Association Jackson said he was “ashamed that a young woman who was a visitor to my home left in a distressed state. That was never my intention and I will always regret the events of that evening”.
He’s also apologised for the “degrading and offensive” language used in a Whatsapp group.
“The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public.” Jackson added.
“Following the trial I have taken time to reflect with my family on the values that were such an integral part of my upbringing, the most important of which is respect.
“My departure from these values has caused understandable public anger and I am resolutely committed to returning to those principles.”
Not defending him and think its a fu.cking stupid thing to do by anyone this day and age, yet so many morons still seem to do itA5D5E5 wrote:If only Diageo had said "We don't want to be associated with a racist prick who dresses up in blackface" they could have avoided all this hassle.
(I'll have £10 on EtB defending him before the day is out)
The chains.Winnie wrote:Not defending him and think its a fu.cking stupid thing to do by anyone this day and age, yet so many morons still seem to do itA5D5E5 wrote:If only Diageo had said "We don't want to be associated with a racist prick who dresses up in blackface" they could have avoided all this hassle.
(I'll have £10 on EtB defending him before the day is out)
Can you define where it is racist?
so white prisoners have never been put in chains?A5D5E5 wrote:The chains.Winnie wrote:Not defending him and think its a fu.cking stupid thing to do by anyone this day and age, yet so many morons still seem to do itA5D5E5 wrote:If only Diageo had said "We don't want to be associated with a racist prick who dresses up in blackface" they could have avoided all this hassle.
(I'll have £10 on EtB defending him before the day is out)
Can you define where it is racist?
He's not meant to be a prisoner. He's attending an Olympic fancy dress party as the Ethiopian team so fair enough he reckons "accuracy is important, I'd better black up but what else do black people do? Oh yeah, slavery. I'll get some chains so nobody's in any doubt"Winnie wrote:so white prisoners have never been put in chains?A5D5E5 wrote:The chains.Winnie wrote:Not defending him and think its a fu.cking stupid thing to do by anyone this day and age, yet so many morons still seem to do itA5D5E5 wrote:If only Diageo had said "We don't want to be associated with a racist prick who dresses up in blackface" they could have avoided all this hassle.
(I'll have £10 on EtB defending him before the day is out)
Can you define where it is racist?
its bloody insensitive not sure I'm getting the racist angle yet
Fair enough thenalliswell wrote:He's not meant to be a prisoner. He's attending an Olympic fancy dress party as the Ethiopian team so fair enough he reckons "accuracy is important, I'd better black up but what else do black people do? Oh yeah, slavery. I'll get some chains so nobody's in any doubt"Winnie wrote:so white prisoners have never been put in chains?A5D5E5 wrote:The chains.Winnie wrote:Not defending him and think its a fu.cking stupid thing to do by anyone this day and age, yet so many morons still seem to do itA5D5E5 wrote:If only Diageo had said "We don't want to be associated with a racist prick who dresses up in blackface" they could have avoided all this hassle.
(I'll have £10 on EtB defending him before the day is out)
Can you define where it is racist?
its bloody insensitive not sure I'm getting the racist angle yet
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Well he's made a few mistakes but you can hardly say he's not paying for them.Winnie wrote:Fair enough thenalliswell wrote:He's not meant to be a prisoner. He's attending an Olympic fancy dress party as the Ethiopian team so fair enough he reckons "accuracy is important, I'd better black up but what else do black people do? Oh yeah, slavery. I'll get some chains so nobody's in any doubt"Winnie wrote: so white prisoners have never been put in chains?
its bloody insensitive not sure I'm getting the racist angle yet
Thats not great at all
PJ seems to be a little bit short of common sense
