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Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 1:52 pm
by Crazy Ed
Prepare a shipment for NZ i think.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:44 pm
by Average Joe
All this gekak and gekla from the Ozzies and Kiwis has bent our bent refs the other way. Peyper just let the Brumbies beat the Bulls. He even had Seconds there to help him.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:55 pm
by jdogscoop
Peyper is actually your one good ref. Please leave him out of this.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:28 pm
by Lemoentjie
terangi48 wrote:Is it right they got a weeks holiday........should have been a two year stand down, years revision course, cleaning out of betting account, compulsory resit of referees exams.....before being let anywhere near a rugby paddock again. Neutral refs please as used to be.....
Good to see the Kiwis are taking it well

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:29 pm
by Lemoentjie
Didn't Joubert single handed drag NZ to victory over France in 2011 final...

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:42 pm
by Yourmother
sorCrer wrote:
Toro wrote:
Crazy Ed wrote:Ok be pedantic. He made an incorrect call that should have been better.
Other Refs have made equally bad calls in the past which have also influenced potential game outcomes.
He showed a clear lack of understanding of something 'clarified in a video' by WR, with big lines on the field.
This wasn't a 50/50 call, he refused to use the clarifying points used by all referees in these circumstances, which is a reference to the hands and the ball leaving them.
The intervened in a crucial moment in the game and changed the outcome with a bad decision, that is a huge black mark for a ref.

As it's been mentioned, none of these points can be watered down by having to call it in real time, as TMO you have to be more accurate.

Games being influenced in the republic by dodgy TV crews and TMOs ignoring protocols is getting a bit tedious.
Yeah mate. I've seen games influenced all over the world by TMO's including in New Zealand.
Ones which have outright stated their decision before reviewing the footage?

“I’m going to show you a forward pass” were his actual comments before the replay review.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:44 pm
by Toro
Top ref that Craig. :thumbup:

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:46 pm
by Hong Kong
Yourmother wrote:
sorCrer wrote:
Toro wrote:
Crazy Ed wrote:Ok be pedantic. He made an incorrect call that should have been better.
Other Refs have made equally bad calls in the past which have also influenced potential game outcomes.
He showed a clear lack of understanding of something 'clarified in a video' by WR, with big lines on the field.
This wasn't a 50/50 call, he refused to use the clarifying points used by all referees in these circumstances, which is a reference to the hands and the ball leaving them.
The intervened in a crucial moment in the game and changed the outcome with a bad decision, that is a huge black mark for a ref.

As it's been mentioned, none of these points can be watered down by having to call it in real time, as TMO you have to be more accurate.

Games being influenced in the republic by dodgy TV crews and TMOs ignoring protocols is getting a bit tedious.
Yeah mate. I've seen games influenced all over the world by TMO's including in New Zealand.
Ones which have outright stated their decision before reviewing the footage?

“I’m going to show you a forward pass” were his actual comments before the replay review.
I’d like to think that Jonker had had a couple of views in between the pass and the try being scored before he intervened - not that that actually help him. If he did have the opportunity to view the pass at least once or twice before he made the call, he will be kicking himself for getting it so badly wrong

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 7:16 pm
by Yourmother
Hong Kong wrote:
Yourmother wrote:
sorCrer wrote:
Toro wrote:
Crazy Ed wrote:Ok be pedantic. He made an incorrect call that should have been better.
Other Refs have made equally bad calls in the past which have also influenced potential game outcomes.
He showed a clear lack of understanding of something 'clarified in a video' by WR, with big lines on the field.
This wasn't a 50/50 call, he refused to use the clarifying points used by all referees in these circumstances, which is a reference to the hands and the ball leaving them.
The intervened in a crucial moment in the game and changed the outcome with a bad decision, that is a huge black mark for a ref.

As it's been mentioned, none of these points can be watered down by having to call it in real time, as TMO you have to be more accurate.

Games being influenced in the republic by dodgy TV crews and TMOs ignoring protocols is getting a bit tedious.
Yeah mate. I've seen games influenced all over the world by TMO's including in New Zealand.
Ones which have outright stated their decision before reviewing the footage?

“I’m going to show you a forward pass” were his actual comments before the replay review.
I’d like to think that Jonker had had a couple of views in between the pass and the try being scored before he intervened - not that that actually help him. If he did have the opportunity to view the pass at least once or twice before he made the call, he will be kicking himself for getting it so badly wrong
You think he’s kicking himself. I think he will be saying it’s forward still. And saying forward is forward.

He had pre decided what the ref should rule, before he or more importantly the guy in charge was given the opportunity to properly forensically analyse.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:02 pm
by Hong Kong
Yourmother wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
I’d like to think that Jonker had had a couple of views in between the pass and the try being scored before he intervened - not that that actually help him. If he did have the opportunity to view the pass at least once or twice before he made the call, he will be kicking himself for getting it so badly wrong
You think he’s kicking himself. I think he will be saying it’s forward still. And saying forward is forward.

He had pre decided what the ref should rule, before he or more importantly the guy in charge was given the opportunity to properly forensically analyse.
And if he does still think that, then he’ll soon be out of a job. It’s ridiculous to suggest he had a preconceived idea - he will have seen the pass, incorrectly thought it was forward and needed a review and having painted himself into a corner, stuck to his guns. Should have just said, ‘oops. Stuffed up, stick with your on field decision.’ The manner in which he spoke to the ref was very dominant and the ref will be infuriated that he did not have the courage to overrule Jonker.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:36 pm
by Enzedder
Lemoentjie wrote:Didn't Joubert single handed drag NZ to victory over France in 2011 final...
As we found out in 2007 (and as we learned and used) the refs are told to put away their whistles in the knockout rounds of a world cup.

They are superfluous to requirements.

When games are whistled properly (e.g. 1987 and 2015) the finals are a piece of piss

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:57 pm
by naki
Lemoentjie wrote:Didn't Joubert single handed drag NZ to victory over France in 2011 final...
The likes of Jonker and Seconds need to learn from subtle masters like Joubert, who managed to gift the All Blacks victory by giving France kickable penalties to win the game and failing to card multiple acts of French foul play. Now that's how you Gold Watch.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:33 pm
by Sandstorm
naki wrote:
Lemoentjie wrote:Didn't Joubert single handed drag NZ to victory over France in 2011 final...
The likes of Jonker and Seconds need to learn from subtle masters like Joubert, who managed to gift the All Blacks victory by giving France kickable penalties to win the game and failing to card multiple acts of French foul play. Now that's how you Gold Watch.
Meh, NZ poor standard of refs over the last decade has been shielded by you lot getting into the last two RWC finals. Cock up in Sept and all will be exposed. :uhoh:

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 10:47 pm
by Toro
Hong Kong wrote:
Yourmother wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
I’d like to think that Jonker had had a couple of views in between the pass and the try being scored before he intervened - not that that actually help him. If he did have the opportunity to view the pass at least once or twice before he made the call, he will be kicking himself for getting it so badly wrong
You think he’s kicking himself. I think he will be saying it’s forward still. And saying forward is forward.

He had pre decided what the ref should rule, before he or more importantly the guy in charge was given the opportunity to properly forensically analyse.
And if he does still think that, then he’ll soon be out of a job. It’s ridiculous to suggest he had a preconceived idea - he will have seen the pass, incorrectly thought it was forward and needed a review and having painted himself into a corner, stuck to his guns. Should have just said, ‘oops. Stuffed up, stick with your on field decision.’ The manner in which he spoke to the ref was very dominant and the ref will be infuriated that he did not have the courage to overrule Jonker.
That's heresay really, you have no idea what his thought process was but seem to defend him and give him the benefit of the doubt as per. He completely ignored the usual protocol when talking of forward passes and went completely against a kiddies videos explaining a forward pass. He's in international TMO, gimme a f'n break.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:02 pm
by Mr Mike
Toro wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
Yourmother wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
I’d like to think that Jonker had had a couple of views in between the pass and the try being scored before he intervened - not that that actually help him. If he did have the opportunity to view the pass at least once or twice before he made the call, he will be kicking himself for getting it so badly wrong
You think he’s kicking himself. I think he will be saying it’s forward still. And saying forward is forward.

He had pre decided what the ref should rule, before he or more importantly the guy in charge was given the opportunity to properly forensically analyse.
And if he does still think that, then he’ll soon be out of a job. It’s ridiculous to suggest he had a preconceived idea - he will have seen the pass, incorrectly thought it was forward and needed a review and having painted himself into a corner, stuck to his guns. Should have just said, ‘oops. Stuffed up, stick with your on field decision.’ The manner in which he spoke to the ref was very dominant and the ref will be infuriated that he did not have the courage to overrule Jonker.
That's heresay really, you have no idea what his thought process was but seem to defend him and give him the benefit of the doubt as per. He completely ignored the usual protocol when talking of forward passes and went completely against a kiddies videos explaining a forward pass. He's in international TMO, gimme a f'n break.
Speculation rather than hearsay, I’ll allow it.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:07 pm
by Toro
:frown:

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:12 pm
by brat
Lemoentjie wrote:Didn't Joubert single handed drag NZ to victory over France in 2011 final...
No that was mccaw

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:12 pm
by Hong Kong
Mr Mike wrote:
Toro wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
Yourmother wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
I’d like to think that Jonker had had a couple of views in between the pass and the try being scored before he intervened - not that that actually help him. If he did have the opportunity to view the pass at least once or twice before he made the call, he will be kicking himself for getting it so badly wrong
You think he’s kicking himself. I think he will be saying it’s forward still. And saying forward is forward.

He had pre decided what the ref should rule, before he or more importantly the guy in charge was given the opportunity to properly forensically analyse.
And if he does still think that, then he’ll soon be out of a job. It’s ridiculous to suggest he had a preconceived idea - he will have seen the pass, incorrectly thought it was forward and needed a review and having painted himself into a corner, stuck to his guns. Should have just said, ‘oops. Stuffed up, stick with your on field decision.’ The manner in which he spoke to the ref was very dominant and the ref will be infuriated that he did not have the courage to overrule Jonker.
That's heresay really, you have no idea what his thought process was but seem to defend him and give him the benefit of the doubt as per. He completely ignored the usual protocol when talking of forward passes and went completely against a kiddies videos explaining a forward pass. He's in international TMO, gimme a f'n break.
Speculation rather than hearsay, I’ll allow it.
Phew!

As for defending Jonker, I have already said it was a bad decision but rather than froth at the mouth as some here have, I try and rationalise why a bad call was made.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:29 pm
by Fat Old Git
naki wrote:
Lemoentjie wrote:Didn't Joubert single handed drag NZ to victory over France in 2011 final...
The likes of Jonker and Seconds need to learn from subtle masters like Joubert, who managed to gift the All Blacks victory by giving France kickable penalties to win the game and failing to card multiple acts of French foul play. Now that's how you Gold Watch.
The claims about 2011 have always been a bit lazy.

"The ref must have helped the All Blacks because we know in our hearts that they're afraid to ref the All Cheats and McCheat properly."

Forget that the penalty count was fairly even for most of the game. Forget the foul play against the All Blacks that didn't get called. Or that we can't name any controversial calls that favored the them. We'll just repeat the claim over and over.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 3:01 am
by Yourmother
Fat Old Git wrote:
naki wrote:
Lemoentjie wrote:Didn't Joubert single handed drag NZ to victory over France in 2011 final...
The likes of Jonker and Seconds need to learn from subtle masters like Joubert, who managed to gift the All Blacks victory by giving France kickable penalties to win the game and failing to card multiple acts of French foul play. Now that's how you Gold Watch.
The claims about 2011 have always been a bit lazy.

"The ref must have helped the All Blacks because we know in our hearts that they're afraid to ref the All Cheats and McCheat properly."

Forget that the penalty count was fairly even for most of the game. Forget the foul play against the All Blacks that didn't get called. Or that we can't name any controversial calls that favored the them. We'll just repeat the claim over and over.
Or that the French score was a result of a Frenchy illegally coming around a ruck offside and hoofing it out with his boot.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 3:20 am
by Yourmother
Toro wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
Yourmother wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
I’d like to think that Jonker had had a couple of views in between the pass and the try being scored before he intervened - not that that actually help him. If he did have the opportunity to view the pass at least once or twice before he made the call, he will be kicking himself for getting it so badly wrong
You think he’s kicking himself. I think he will be saying it’s forward still. And saying forward is forward.

He had pre decided what the ref should rule, before he or more importantly the guy in charge was given the opportunity to properly forensically analyse.
And if he does still think that, then he’ll soon be out of a job. It’s ridiculous to suggest he had a preconceived idea - he will have seen the pass, incorrectly thought it was forward and needed a review and having painted himself into a corner, stuck to his guns. Should have just said, ‘oops. Stuffed up, stick with your on field decision.’ The manner in which he spoke to the ref was very dominant and the ref will be infuriated that he did not have the courage to overrule Jonker.
That's heresay really, you have no idea what his thought process was but seem to defend him and give him the benefit of the doubt as per. He completely ignored the usual protocol when talking of forward passes and went completely against a kiddies videos explaining a forward pass. He's in international TMO, gimme a f'n break.
“It’s ridiculous to suggest he had a preconceived idea”

“he will have seen the pass, incorrectly thought it was forward and needed a review”

“having painted himself into a corner, stuck to his guns.”

All in the same sentence HK.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:50 am
by Hong Kong
Yourmother wrote:
Toro wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
Yourmother wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
I’d like to think that Jonker had had a couple of views in between the pass and the try being scored before he intervened - not that that actually help him. If he did have the opportunity to view the pass at least once or twice before he made the call, he will be kicking himself for getting it so badly wrong
You think he’s kicking himself. I think he will be saying it’s forward still. And saying forward is forward.

He had pre decided what the ref should rule, before he or more importantly the guy in charge was given the opportunity to properly forensically analyse.
And if he does still think that, then he’ll soon be out of a job. It’s ridiculous to suggest he had a preconceived idea - he will have seen the pass, incorrectly thought it was forward and needed a review and having painted himself into a corner, stuck to his guns. Should have just said, ‘oops. Stuffed up, stick with your on field decision.’ The manner in which he spoke to the ref was very dominant and the ref will be infuriated that he did not have the courage to overrule Jonker.
That's heresay really, you have no idea what his thought process was but seem to defend him and give him the benefit of the doubt as per. He completely ignored the usual protocol when talking of forward passes and went completely against a kiddies videos explaining a forward pass. He's in international TMO, gimme a f'n break.
“It’s ridiculous to suggest he had a preconceived idea”

“he will have seen the pass, incorrectly thought it was forward and needed a review”

“having painted himself into a corner, stuck to his guns.”

All in the same sentence HK.
And all of which are far more likely than he had a preconceived idea that he was going to call a forward pass.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:03 am
by jdogscoop
I'm sure we can at least agree on the fact Jonker is a shit TMO and everyone, of all stripes, is going to question every one of his decisions from this point on.

:smug: :thumbup:

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:26 am
by Hong Kong
jdogscoop wrote:I'm sure we can at least agree on the fact Jonker is a shit TMO and everyone, of all stripes, is going to question every one of his decisions from this point on.

:smug: :thumbup:
:lol: and no. He made a bad call during a game and will, hopefully, be a better TMO as a result. After all, you don’t drop a player for a missed tackle or PK given away and call him a shit player forevermore, do you?

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:34 am
by Kiwias
Hong Kong wrote:
jdogscoop wrote:I'm sure we can at least agree on the fact Jonker is a shit TMO and everyone, of all stripes, is going to question every one of his decisions from this point on.

:smug: :thumbup:
:lol: and no. He made a bad call during a game and will, hopefully, be a better TMO as a result. After all, you don’t drop a player for a missed tackle or PK given away and call him a shit player forevermore, do you?
Hell, yes. One missed touch kick and it took winning a WC to make amends.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 6:56 pm
by Yourmother
Hong Kong wrote:
Yourmother wrote:
Toro wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
Yourmother wrote:
You think he’s kicking himself. I think he will be saying it’s forward still. And saying forward is forward.

He had pre decided what the ref should rule, before he or more importantly the guy in charge was given the opportunity to properly forensically analyse.
And if he does still think that, then he’ll soon be out of a job. It’s ridiculous to suggest he had a preconceived idea - he will have seen the pass, incorrectly thought it was forward and needed a review and having painted himself into a corner, stuck to his guns. Should have just said, ‘oops. Stuffed up, stick with your on field decision.’ The manner in which he spoke to the ref was very dominant and the ref will be infuriated that he did not have the courage to overrule Jonker.
That's heresay really, you have no idea what his thought process was but seem to defend him and give him the benefit of the doubt as per. He completely ignored the usual protocol when talking of forward passes and went completely against a kiddies videos explaining a forward pass. He's in international TMO, gimme a f'n break.
“It’s ridiculous to suggest he had a preconceived idea”

“he will have seen the pass, incorrectly thought it was forward and needed a review”

“having painted himself into a corner, stuck to his guns.”

All in the same sentence HK.
And all of which are far more likely than he had a preconceived idea that he was going to call a forward pass.
He preconceived it was a forward pass in your own words. And you’re watering it down just saying he thought it needed a review, despite him saying “I’m going to show you a forward pass”. And you also contradict this balanced review call by saying he stuck to his guns having painted himself in to a corner, which rather suggests there was a “tiny” bit of predisposition initially.

I know he’s a fellow ref to you HK, and you have a moral obligation to back up your fellows, but just how many hand jobs can you physically hand out! You need a rest.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 8:18 pm
by Hong Kong
Yourmother wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
And all of which are far more likely than he had a preconceived idea that he was going to call a forward pass.
He preconceived it was a forward pass in your own words. And you’re watering it down just saying he thought it needed a review, despite him saying “I’m going to show you a forward pass”. And you also contradict this balanced review call by saying he stuck to his guns having painted himself in to a corner, which rather suggests there was a “tiny” bit of predisposition initially.

I know he’s a fellow ref to you HK, and you have a moral obligation to back up your fellows, but just how many hand jobs can you physically hand out! You need a rest.
:lol: two at any one time.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 10:35 am
by Rinkals
The problem for me is that there are no repercussions.

Was there anything on the coverage that the TMO was viewing that was so damning, so "clear and compelling" that Jonker had to over-rule the on-field referee and both touch judges in awarding the try? It has been universally condemned as the wrong call, so why did he do it? It was a huge call which decided the match, surely you have to be absolutely certain before you intervene? Unless, of course, it is your intention to alter the course of the match.

While we would want to presume innocence, I find it hard to believe that this was a simple mistake. The problem is that the Officials themselves close ranks to protect the individual. Even if the call was simply a mistake, the sport owes it to the supporters and participants to make sure that such calls merit more than a gentle slap in the wrist.

Otherwise it will just happen again.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 12:32 pm
by Hong Kong
Rinks - Jonker was ‘punished’ - he was dropped from this week’s fixtures and, assumption on my behalf but with very good reason, will have been told that a fuck up like that again will cost him in future fixtures, quite possibly the RWC

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:54 pm
by Kiwias
Hong Kong wrote:Rinks - Jonker was ‘punished’ - he was dropped from this week’s fixtures and, assumption on my behalf but with very good reason, will have been told that a fuck up like that again will cost him in future fixtures, quite possibly the RWC
The rebuke was also made public, which increases the impact on Jonker.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:01 pm
by sorCrer

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:10 pm
by Mr Mike
Kiwias wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:Rinks - Jonker was ‘punished’ - he was dropped from this week’s fixtures and, assumption on my behalf but with very good reason, will have been told that a fuck up like that again will cost him in future fixtures, quite possibly the RWC
The rebuke was also made public, which increases the impact on Jonker.
Mark Reason has also pointed out that the tackle on Mounga as he passes to Endor was high and late, which normally would be clear and compelling evidence for the opposite conclusion.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:16 pm
by handyman
I will also be running a special : Buy 10 armbands, get 1 free! At the moment I'm low on stock coloured Black, but new batches will be released shortly.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 5:26 pm
by Rinkals
Hong Kong wrote:Rinks - Jonker was ‘punished’ - he was dropped from this week’s fixtures and, assumption on my behalf but with very good reason, will have been told that a fuck up like that again will cost him in future fixtures, quite possibly the RWC
Well, I think he should have had the book thrown at him, not given a week off. We shall see if he actually loses any other fixtures over it, but I have no confidence that he won't be back once the furore dies down.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 5:29 pm
by Jensrsa
Rinkals wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:Rinks - Jonker was ‘punished’ - he was dropped from this week’s fixtures and, assumption on my behalf but with very good reason, will have been told that a fuck up like that again will cost him in future fixtures, quite possibly the RWC
Well, I think he should have had the book thrown at him, not given a week off. We shall see if he actually loses any other fixtures over it, but I have no confidence that he won't be back once the furore dies down.
He's back this weekend for the Lions v Stormers game :frown:

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 6:07 pm
by Hong Kong
Jensrsa wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:Rinks - Jonker was ‘punished’ - he was dropped from this week’s fixtures and, assumption on my behalf but with very good reason, will have been told that a fuck up like that again will cost him in future fixtures, quite possibly the RWC
Well, I think he should have had the book thrown at him, not given a week off. We shall see if he actually loses any other fixtures over it, but I have no confidence that he won't be back once the furore dies down.
He's back this weekend for the Lions v Stormers game :frown:
A player gets a red card and is given a week or two off; would a coach not select him for the next match? Would he be ignored forever?

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 6:09 pm
by Jensrsa
Hong Kong wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:Rinks - Jonker was ‘punished’ - he was dropped from this week’s fixtures and, assumption on my behalf but with very good reason, will have been told that a fuck up like that again will cost him in future fixtures, quite possibly the RWC
Well, I think he should have had the book thrown at him, not given a week off. We shall see if he actually loses any other fixtures over it, but I have no confidence that he won't be back once the furore dies down.
He's back this weekend for the Lions v Stormers game :frown:
A player gets a red card and is given a week or two off; would a coach not select him for the next match? Would he be ignored forever?
:lol:
But he's at the Lions v Stormers game

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 6:15 pm
by Hong Kong
Jensrsa wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:Rinks - Jonker was ‘punished’ - he was dropped from this week’s fixtures and, assumption on my behalf but with very good reason, will have been told that a fuck up like that again will cost him in future fixtures, quite possibly the RWC
Well, I think he should have had the book thrown at him, not given a week off. We shall see if he actually loses any other fixtures over it, but I have no confidence that he won't be back once the furore dies down.
He's back this weekend for the Lions v Stormers game :frown:
A player gets a red card and is given a week or two off; would a coach not select him for the next match? Would he be ignored forever?
:lol:
But he's at the Lions v Stormers game
Ahh. So he has the opportunity to fuck both teams 😉

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 6:20 pm
by Insane_Homer
He'll fix it so that the result will screw the Sharks.

Re: Are we back to the 'bad old days' of South African refer

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 6:52 pm
by Jensrsa
Insane_Homer wrote:He'll fix it so that the result will screw the Sharks.
He is a Shark