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Crazy Ed wrote:

BokJock wrote:

towny wrote:

jos wrote:

towny wrote:Perhaps the reason NZ and Australian societies aren’t nearly as corrupt as South Africa is because the people won’t tolerate it. Seems like the tolerance you have is cultural.

I’m not saying we are better people, it’s just that we have higher integrity and demand more of it from others. But would that by definition mean we are better people? Hard to say.

You aren't as corrupt mainly because you aren't a poor country. That's all, nothing more. You haven't an higher integrity as you think.

Maybe you’re poor because you’re corrupt?

The richest country in the world has a thoroughly corrupt head of state

The Saudis aren't corrupt you are just racist and an islamophobe.

towny wrote:

jos wrote:

towny wrote:

jos wrote:

towny wrote:Perhaps the reason NZ and Australian societies aren’t nearly as corrupt as South Africa is because the people won’t tolerate it. Seems like the tolerance you have is cultural.

I’m not saying we are better people, it’s just that we have higher integrity and demand more of it from others. But would that by definition mean we are better people? Hard to say.

You aren't as corrupt mainly because you aren't a poor country. That's all, nothing more. You haven't an higher integrity as you think.

Maybe you’re poor because you’re corrupt?

No even if it doesn't help. For exemple Japan is a very rich country, where people are highly civilisated, yet corruption is quite big. And countries like China and India are rising, but I don't think it means people there are becoming more honest.
On the contrary some countries fall from grace in their history, and it wasn't because people were becoming corrupt.

Low corruption and high standard of living are very closely correlated. Maybe that’s another extraordinary coincidence?!

towny wrote:So South African refs cheat because they are poor. I guess that makes sense.

Sandstorm wrote:Broken. Record.

Ali's Choice wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:Broken. Record.

Typical response. I'm going to keep complaining until something is done to stop SA wrecking Super Rugby. This is a huge issue and if the boot was on the other foot, and Kiwi referees were routinely delivering 20-1 penalty counts against South African touring teams, your guys would have boycotted the comp years ago. And probably killed someone. Sort your f**king referees out!

jdogscoop wrote:Well Seconds is gone, which as his surname would suggest is well overdue. I would venture he change his name by deed poll to Egon Fifths.

Good SA refs still exist, such as Jaco Peyper who is a great bloke.

This is by no means a witch hunt against SA refs.

It is a witch hunt against corrupt SA refs.

Insane_Homer wrote:Round 5 highlights

2 SA teams at the hands of NZ referees this weekend.

SA teams penalised - 32
SA opponents penalised - 18

NZ team with NZ ref at home against Aus team - 7-12

Lemoentjie wrote:

Insane_Homer wrote:Round 5 highlights

2 SA teams at the hands of NZ referees this weekend.

SA teams penalised - 32
SA opponents penalised - 18

NZ team with NZ ref at home against Aus team - 7-12

SANZAAR should look into this. Deeply worrying for all true rugby fans.

Ali's Choice wrote:

Lemoentjie wrote:

Insane_Homer wrote:Round 5 highlights

2 SA teams at the hands of NZ referees this weekend.

SA teams penalised - 32
SA opponents penalised - 18

NZ team with NZ ref at home against Aus team - 7-12

SANZAAR should look into this. Deeply worrying for all true rugby fans.

When a South African team cops a 20-1 penalty count from a NZ or Australian referee officiating a team from their own country, then I'll listen to your complaining. Until then, shut the f**k up. Your referees are proudly and openly corrupt and the entire world now knows this. The sooner South Africa f**ks off from Super Rugby the better.

Average Joe wrote:There are kak refs everywhere but to claim a ref is corrupt is a very serious allegation. The NZ ref for the Reds/Sharks game this past weekend was about just as kak as Seconds. Now I reckon he's just a bit incompetent and would never outright claim that he is corrupt, unless there is clear evidence of corruption. Like maybe an e-mail or something.

Ali's Choice wrote:

Lemoentjie wrote:

Insane_Homer wrote:Round 5 highlights

2 SA teams at the hands of NZ referees this weekend.

SA teams penalised - 32
SA opponents penalised - 18

NZ team with NZ ref at home against Aus team - 7-12

SANZAAR should look into this. Deeply worrying for all true rugby fans.

When a South African team cops a 20-1 penalty count from a NZ or Australian referee officiating a team from their own country, then I'll listen to your complaining. Until then, shut the f**k up. Your referees are proudly and openly corrupt and the entire world now knows this. The sooner South Africa f**ks off from Super Rugby the better.

Insane_Homer wrote:How about when a NZ referee sent an email to his non-SA counterparts advocating cheating against SA teams using derogatory, then had it swept under the carpet and the culprit then gets promoted for his effort?

Ali's Choice wrote:

Average Joe wrote:There are kak refs everywhere but to claim a ref is corrupt is a very serious allegation. The NZ ref for the Reds/Sharks game this past weekend was about just as kak as Seconds. Now I reckon he's just a bit incompetent and would never outright claim that he is corrupt, unless there is clear evidence of corruption. Like maybe an e-mail or something.

Find me another 20-1 penalty count in the pro-era and I'll never disparage another South African again.

Corruption is endemic in every facet of South African society. From the highest public office, to big business, to the public sector and trade unions. Why would lowly paid Rugby match officials be the only people in South Africa who aren't corrupt?

Lemoentjie wrote:Ever heard of self-awareness?

Average Joe wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:

Average Joe wrote:There are kak refs everywhere but to claim a ref is corrupt is a very serious allegation. The NZ ref for the Reds/Sharks game this past weekend was about just as kak as Seconds. Now I reckon he's just a bit incompetent and would never outright claim that he is corrupt, unless there is clear evidence of corruption. Like maybe an e-mail or something.

Find me another 20-1 penalty count in the pro-era and I'll never disparage another South African again.

Corruption is endemic in every facet of South African society. From the highest public office, to big business, to the public sector and trade unions. Why would lowly paid Rugby match officials be the only people in South Africa who aren't corrupt?

That's a very big claim for a Samoan AB supporter who lives in Aus to make about a country he's most probably never even visited. Be careful now, I'm sure we wont need to dig to deep to find examples of corruption in what ever country you decide you are from.

Ali's Choice wrote:

Average Joe wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:

Average Joe wrote:There are kak refs everywhere but to claim a ref is corrupt is a very serious allegation. The NZ ref for the Reds/Sharks game this past weekend was about just as kak as Seconds. Now I reckon he's just a bit incompetent and would never outright claim that he is corrupt, unless there is clear evidence of corruption. Like maybe an e-mail or something.

Find me another 20-1 penalty count in the pro-era and I'll never disparage another South African again.

Corruption is endemic in every facet of South African society. From the highest public office, to big business, to the public sector and trade unions. Why would lowly paid Rugby match officials be the only people in South Africa who aren't corrupt?

That's a very big claim for a Samoan AB supporter who lives in Aus to make about a country he's most probably never even visited. Be careful now, I'm sure we wont need to dig to deep to find examples of corruption in what ever country you decide you are from.

Not my claim, SA posters have been complaining about the corruption in their country since I joined this forum in 2005.

The Bulls were right to ask for a penalty on the halfway line after their winger Bjorn Basson was hurt in an incident of foul play at the end of their 29-23 loss against the Blues at Loftus Versfeld on Saturday.

SANZAR referees boss Lyndon Bray has admitted that referee Steve Walsh “got it wrong” when he refused Bulls captain Pierre Spies’ pleas to award the penalty after the game.

Basson scored in the 79th minute of the game, and as he went over Blues winger Rene Ranger hit him illegally in attempting to stop him, an incident which earned Ranger a yellow card and a citing. The citing was later deemed to be a red card, and Ranger was sentenced to a two week ban by a SANZAR disciplinary tribunal for the incident.

But when it happened, Spies asked rightly for the penalty on the halfway line, the right call after a yellow card was awarded for foul play. Walsh refused, citing the time on the clock, which had expired.

Honiss said there had been a "misunderstanding" and that he had never indicated he was going to give Smit time to talk to his team.

Ali's Choice wrote:I love the way South African posters are still defending Egon Seconds and other dodgy referees long after their own national union has sanctioned them for their unprecedented refereeing performances.

Chilli wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:I love the way South African posters are still defending Egon Seconds and other dodgy referees long after their own national union has sanctioned them for their unprecedented refereeing performances.

please quote South African posters defending Egon Seconds.

Insane_Homer wrote:How about that time Brad Thorn spear tackled John Smith right in front of the ref, no card of any description because

Referee, Stuart Dickinson (AUS), later said "When I looked to my right, Smit was in the air. I did not see him land" - blatant lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDX-8w91pnU&t=14s

You can also hear him saying "no,no,no"

Ali's Choice wrote:

Insane_Homer wrote:How about that time Brad Thorn spear tackled John Smith right in front of the ref, no card of any description because

Referee, Stuart Dickinson (AUS), later said "When I looked to my right, Smit was in the air. I did not see him land" - blatant lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDX-8w91pnU&t=14s

You can also hear him saying "no,no,no"

20-1

Controversial ref dropped from panel
15:45 03/02/2016 Brenden Nel - SuperSport

Controversial sevens referee Matt O'Brien has received another dressing down after being dropped by the Australian Rugby Union as one of their top referees and off the Super Rugby panel.

The referee, who caused a major outcry for the one-sided nature he handled the second half of the Wellington Sevens final on Sunday morning, is no longer on the Super Rugby panel of referees after making his debut in 2014 and appearing again on the panel in 2015.

While the move has little to do with his sevens performances, O'Brien was dropped because of bad reviews in the last season of Super Rugby and hasn't been included in the Australian submissions for the panel either.

However, this is little consolation for the Springbok Sevens team who endured a very one-sided refereeing performance to the point they lost the Wellington final, and will likely cross paths with O'Brien again this week.

Questions have been raised as to the possible conflict of interest with O'Brien's father Paddy being in charge of sevens referees and appointing O'Brien, who is an Australian citizen but was born, schooled and went to university in New Zealand, for such an important final in New Zealand featuring the All Blacks.

The Boks led 21-7 before O'Brien made some questionable calls, including awarding a 9-1 penalty count in New Zealand's favour.New Zealand famously came back and scored three tries in the last three minutes of the match to win the game.

Insane_Homer wrote:9-1!!!!

Ali's Choice wrote:

Insane_Homer wrote:9-1!!!!

You're dumb yeah? Equating 9-1 to 20-1?

Insane_Homer wrote:How about that time Brad Thorn spear tackled John Smith right in front of the ref, no card of any description because

Referee, Stuart Dickinson (AUS), later said "When I looked to my right, Smit was in the air. I did not see him land" - blatant lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDX-8w91pnU&t=14s

You can also hear him saying "no,no,no"

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

Insane_Homer wrote:How about that time Brad Thorn spear tackled John Smith right in front of the ref, no card of any description because

Referee, Stuart Dickinson (AUS), later said "When I looked to my right, Smit was in the air. I did not see him land" - blatant lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDX-8w91pnU&t=14s

You can also hear him saying "no,no,no"

This is ridiculous Homer.

We can all find scattered instances of sh*te or biased reffing (Joubert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7C6bTHyC0U) but what this letter is insinuating is systematic (based on the accuracy of the data they've presented).

Insane_Homer wrote: Oh yeah, I forget the french refs.
https://youtu.be/fhnQrt11Czk?t=79



BTW, scattered instances like AC consistently referring to 20-1 as his rebuttal of choice?

Ali's Choice wrote:I don't blame the South African referees. The fault lies with SANZAAR. They got rid of neutral referees years ago because of cost, but in the process they have completely devalued the competition. Why would any Kiwi or Aussie Rugby fan stay up till 3am to watch their team cop a 20-1 penalty count in South Africa delivered by a local referee?