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Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:30 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:26 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:22 am Just saw the new Trailer for Roald Dahl's "Witches" ... am I racist for being slightly annoyed that they've set in the USA and made the young boy and his Norwegian grandmother into black people from Alabama (or something)? Why do people have to continually f-ck with characters in movies to make them more "diverse"? I have absolutely not problem if it's a new character, or a not-very-famous story, but f-cking with classics, I just find that annoying.

I guess the author's own cultural heritage that he chose to include in the story doesn't really count for much. All white and Scandinavian and shit.

Mind you, for whatever reason, I had a bit of a problem with Daniel Craig being cast as James Bond (they could have at least died his hair brown and gave him brown contact lenses ffs) but no so much of a problem if Idris Elba got the role. Elba is such a stud he could pull it off.
It's been a while since I've check in on Sen's reach around thread.

I don't think you're racist at all but I think you're making a mountain out of a fucking molehill. The book exists, there's a more faithful movie adaption out there already, that's not going to change, this is just going to be a different version that you can easily ignore if you don't want to watch it. Like I've ignored the Point Break remake with extreme sports. x(
Yes. That is entirely fair enough. COVID is boring, sometimes I just have to feign outrage to see if I can start a shit fight with some justice warriors on PR for my own amusement. Hey, at least I'm honest about it.
:lol: Fair enough.

I remember when the BSG remake came out and I refused to watch it because they made Starbuck and Boomer women. Then I got over myself and watched it and it was awesome (and Boomer is hot). So I've tried to judge everything on it's own merits, except Point Break of course.

The worst "woke" outrage was the complaints about Emma Stone's character in Aloha not being played by an Asian actress despite the fact the character was half white, quarter Hawaiian and quarter Asian. The pool for finding an actress to fit that was presumably pretty low.
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UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:42 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:30 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:26 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:22 am Just saw the new Trailer for Roald Dahl's "Witches" ... am I racist for being slightly annoyed that they've set in the USA and made the young boy and his Norwegian grandmother into black people from Alabama (or something)? Why do people have to continually f-ck with characters in movies to make them more "diverse"? I have absolutely not problem if it's a new character, or a not-very-famous story, but f-cking with classics, I just find that annoying.

I guess the author's own cultural heritage that he chose to include in the story doesn't really count for much. All white and Scandinavian and shit.

Mind you, for whatever reason, I had a bit of a problem with Daniel Craig being cast as James Bond (they could have at least died his hair brown and gave him brown contact lenses ffs) but no so much of a problem if Idris Elba got the role. Elba is such a stud he could pull it off.
It's been a while since I've check in on Sen's reach around thread.

I don't think you're racist at all but I think you're making a mountain out of a fucking molehill. The book exists, there's a more faithful movie adaption out there already, that's not going to change, this is just going to be a different version that you can easily ignore if you don't want to watch it. Like I've ignored the Point Break remake with extreme sports. x(
Yes. That is entirely fair enough. COVID is boring, sometimes I just have to feign outrage to see if I can start a shit fight with some justice warriors on PR for my own amusement. Hey, at least I'm honest about it.
:lol: Fair enough.

I remember when the BSG remake came out and I refused to watch it because they made Starbuck and Boomer women. Then I got over myself and watched it and it was awesome (and Boomer is hot). So I've tried to judge everything on it's own merits, except Point Break of course.

The worst "woke" outrage was the complaints about Emma Stone's character in Aloha not being played by an Asian actress despite the fact the character was half white, quarter Hawaiian and quarter Asian. The pool for finding an actress to fit that was presumably pretty low.
Yeah that is very true (r.e. Emma Stone).

For my personal 2c, I quite liked the all-women Ghostbusters. I thought it kept the same vibe and atmosphere of the originals and was quite watchable and amusing. Not the greatest movie ever of course, but it wasn't horrible.
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fonzeee wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:37 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:30 am Yes. That is entirely fair enough. COVID is boring, sometimes I just have to feign outrage to see if I can start a shit fight with some justice warriors on PR for my own amusement. Hey, at least I'm honest about it.
:lol: :thumbup:

You're a good egg Mog.

Now go cook something and take pictures of it so we can shit on it.
Did that last night! Very little interest though. I expect because it was so delicious nobody could heal shit on it.
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UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:42 am

The worst "woke" outrage was the complaints about Emma Stone's character in Aloha not being played by an Asian actress despite the fact the character was half white, quarter Hawaiian and quarter Asian. The pool for finding an actress to fit that was presumably pretty low.
I find the outrages about some black people not having the right black skin colour pretty egregious as well in most cases.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:46 am
fonzeee wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:37 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:30 am Yes. That is entirely fair enough. COVID is boring, sometimes I just have to feign outrage to see if I can start a shit fight with some justice warriors on PR for my own amusement. Hey, at least I'm honest about it.
:lol: :thumbup:

You're a good egg Mog.

Now go cook something and take pictures of it so we can shit on it.
Did that last night! Very little interest though. I expect because it was so delicious nobody could heal shit on it.
Does look good tbh.

Not gonna lie, that puttanesca thing you made looked f**king amazing.
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Not puttenesca! :evil:

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eldanielfire wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:47 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:42 am

The worst "woke" outrage was the complaints about Emma Stone's character in Aloha not being played by an Asian actress despite the fact the character was half white, quarter Hawaiian and quarter Asian. The pool for finding an actress to fit that was presumably pretty low.
I find the outrages about some black people not having the right black skin colour pretty egregious as well in most cases.
Those ones are weird, but I'm not black (American) so not my place to comment if there are some actual nuances there, but as I'm both white and Polynesian and my Polynesian ancestors originally came from Asia I think I'm on ok ground with Emma Stone. :D
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:45 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:42 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:30 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:26 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:22 am Just saw the new Trailer for Roald Dahl's "Witches" ... am I racist for being slightly annoyed that they've set in the USA and made the young boy and his Norwegian grandmother into black people from Alabama (or something)? Why do people have to continually f-ck with characters in movies to make them more "diverse"? I have absolutely not problem if it's a new character, or a not-very-famous story, but f-cking with classics, I just find that annoying.

I guess the author's own cultural heritage that he chose to include in the story doesn't really count for much. All white and Scandinavian and shit.

Mind you, for whatever reason, I had a bit of a problem with Daniel Craig being cast as James Bond (they could have at least died his hair brown and gave him brown contact lenses ffs) but no so much of a problem if Idris Elba got the role. Elba is such a stud he could pull it off.
It's been a while since I've check in on Sen's reach around thread.

I don't think you're racist at all but I think you're making a mountain out of a fucking molehill. The book exists, there's a more faithful movie adaption out there already, that's not going to change, this is just going to be a different version that you can easily ignore if you don't want to watch it. Like I've ignored the Point Break remake with extreme sports. x(
Yes. That is entirely fair enough. COVID is boring, sometimes I just have to feign outrage to see if I can start a shit fight with some justice warriors on PR for my own amusement. Hey, at least I'm honest about it.
:lol: Fair enough.

I remember when the BSG remake came out and I refused to watch it because they made Starbuck and Boomer women. Then I got over myself and watched it and it was awesome (and Boomer is hot). So I've tried to judge everything on it's own merits, except Point Break of course.

The worst "woke" outrage was the complaints about Emma Stone's character in Aloha not being played by an Asian actress despite the fact the character was half white, quarter Hawaiian and quarter Asian. The pool for finding an actress to fit that was presumably pretty low.
Yeah that is very true (r.e. Emma Stone).

For my personal 2c, I quite liked the all-women Ghostbusters. I thought it kept the same vibe and atmosphere of the originals and was quite watchable and amusing. Not the greatest movie ever of course, but it wasn't horrible.
That movie was what made realise there are a bunch of whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything. That movie was slated before release by internet crowd, even though the original principals gave their blessing and were involved.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:51 am Not puttenesca! :evil:

It's Pasta Marina della Mighty Vic. My own invention thankyou sir.
:lol: Catchy
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UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:51 am
eldanielfire wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:47 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:42 am

The worst "woke" outrage was the complaints about Emma Stone's character in Aloha not being played by an Asian actress despite the fact the character was half white, quarter Hawaiian and quarter Asian. The pool for finding an actress to fit that was presumably pretty low.
I find the outrages about some black people not having the right black skin colour pretty egregious as well in most cases.
Those ones are weird, but I'm not black (American) so not my place to comment if there are some actual nuances there, but as I'm both white and Polynesian and my Polynesian ancestors originally came from Asia I think I'm on ok ground with Emma Stone. :D
There can occasionally be relevant issues with prejudice of darker skin colours, much like in India. But it's rarely relevant as I can't think of a film where it is even the subject matter.
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UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:54 am
That movie was what made realise there are a bunch of whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything. That movie was slated before release by internet crowd, even though the original principals gave their blessing and were involved.
Some here will probably disagree but I felt the same way recently with the whole Cuties drama.

Not totally analogous of course but it just made me laugh how a movie where the whole point of it is that the sexualization of young girls was a horrible development in our society fell afoul with...people that ostensibly believe exactly that.
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fonzeee wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:02 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:54 am
That movie was what made realise there are a bunch of whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything. That movie was slated before release by internet crowd, even though the original principals gave their blessing and were involved.
Some here will probably disagree but I felt the same way recently with the whole Cuties drama.

Not totally analogous of course but it just made me laugh how a movie where the whole point of it is that the sexualization of young girls was a horrible development in our society fell afoul with...people that ostensibly believe exactly that.
I felt exactly the same way! My first thought was, "thou dost protest too much!". I think they're all closet-paedophiles ... and coming from a country (no offence) where child beauty pagents are considered okay? ... but a French movie that was entirely about the problem of sexualization of young girls, that's akin to paedophilia? I watched the trailer out of curiosity and although a little uncomfortable, it wasn't even that bad. A lot of false outrage and bullshit going on there for sure.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:05 am I felt exactly the same way! My first thought was, "thou dost protest too much!". I think they're all closet-paedophiles ... and coming from a country (no offence) where child beauty pagents are considered okay? ... but a French movie that was entirely about the problem of sexualization of young girls, that's akin to paedophilia? I watched the trailer out of curiosity and although a little uncomfortable, it wasn't even that bad. A lot of false outrage and bullshit going on there for sure.
None taken, it's weird.

I haven't seen the film itself but the clips/trailers I've seen definitely do make me feel uncomfortable...but of course that's the whole point! The most effective satire really just mirrors reality, and the fact is that this is something that reflects the world of today. I'm super looking forward to having kids but this is something that seriously scares the shit out of me.

People just saw the (admittedly off-putting) posters and starting priming their points. It was all just one big points-scoring routine, just like so much else with this culture war shit.
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fonzeee wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:16 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:05 am I felt exactly the same way! My first thought was, "thou dost protest too much!". I think they're all closet-paedophiles ... and coming from a country (no offence) where child beauty pagents are considered okay? ... but a French movie that was entirely about the problem of sexualization of young girls, that's akin to paedophilia? I watched the trailer out of curiosity and although a little uncomfortable, it wasn't even that bad. A lot of false outrage and bullshit going on there for sure.
None taken, it's weird.

I haven't seen the film itself but the clips/trailers I've seen definitely do make me feel uncomfortable...but of course that's the whole point! The most effective satire really just mirrors reality, and the fact is that this is something that reflects the world of today. I'm super looking forward to having kids but this is something that seriously scares the shit out of me.

People just saw the (admittedly off-putting) posters and starting priming their points. It was all just one big points-scoring routine, just like so much else with this culture war shit.
Yeah pretty much. It was point-scoring and justice warrioring, just mostly coming from the other side of the political divide than usual. And I must say, mostly from the US.
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Now the crazies turn on Malala for having a Tory friend she endorsed in a Uni association it appears:

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Now that’s plain evil.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ulture-war

This is very self serving article from the Guardian

Basically saying that whatever the left/progressives do is Ok, but if the right/conservatives do it they are taking part in a culture war.

Also denying the left/progressives are not engaging in a culture war. I think it is called gaslighting.

The Guardian is basically a mouthpiece for the Labour Party now as it has given up all pretence of balance (and of course the Twitterati are lapping it up)
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mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:01 am https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ulture-war

This is very self serving article from the Guardian

Basically saying that whatever the left/progressives do is Ok, but if the right/conservatives do it they are taking part in a culture war.

Also denying the left/progressives are not engaging in a culture war. I think it is called gaslighting.

The Guardian is basically a mouthpiece for the Labour Party now as it has given up all pretence of balance (and of course the Twitterati are lapping it up)
It's interesting that multiple Guardian columns are claiming the Government are trying to invent a culture war in recent times as some new attack on the left. Somewhat ignoring the past few years of well everything from all sides.
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mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:01 am https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ulture-war

This is very self serving article from the Guardian

Basically saying that whatever the left/progressives do is Ok, but if the right/conservatives do it they are taking part in a culture war.

Also denying the left/progressives are not engaging in a culture war. I think it is called gaslighting.

The Guardian is basically a mouthpiece for the Labour Party now as it has given up all pretence of balance (and of course the Twitterati are lapping it up)
I think people a more aware that empire was built on the back of other peoples' suffering and are wanting to highlight and address it rather than hide it as has been the case so far.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:57 am
mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:01 am https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ulture-war

This is very self serving article from the Guardian

Basically saying that whatever the left/progressives do is Ok, but if the right/conservatives do it they are taking part in a culture war.

Also denying the left/progressives are not engaging in a culture war. I think it is called gaslighting.

The Guardian is basically a mouthpiece for the Labour Party now as it has given up all pretence of balance (and of course the Twitterati are lapping it up)
I think people a more aware that empire was built on the back of other peoples' suffering and are wanting to highlight and address it rather than hide it as has been the case so far.
I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know the effects of colonialization or thinks it is something that should be done again. There are more real and egregious examples of bigotry impacting individual peoples lives.
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eldanielfire wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:26 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:57 am
mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:01 am https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ulture-war

This is very self serving article from the Guardian

Basically saying that whatever the left/progressives do is Ok, but if the right/conservatives do it they are taking part in a culture war.

Also denying the left/progressives are not engaging in a culture war. I think it is called gaslighting.

The Guardian is basically a mouthpiece for the Labour Party now as it has given up all pretence of balance (and of course the Twitterati are lapping it up)
I think people a more aware that empire was built on the back of other peoples' suffering and are wanting to highlight and address it rather than hide it as has been the case so far.
I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know the effects of colonialization or thinks it is something that should be done again. There are more real and egregious examples of bigotry impacting individual peoples lives.

Colonisation is inevitable. It is all of human history. It is happening all the time.
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eldanielfire wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:26 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:57 am
mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:01 am https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ulture-war

This is very self serving article from the Guardian

Basically saying that whatever the left/progressives do is Ok, but if the right/conservatives do it they are taking part in a culture war.

Also denying the left/progressives are not engaging in a culture war. I think it is called gaslighting.

The Guardian is basically a mouthpiece for the Labour Party now as it has given up all pretence of balance (and of course the Twitterati are lapping it up)
I think people a more aware that empire was built on the back of other peoples' suffering and are wanting to highlight and address it rather than hide it as has been the case so far.
I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know the effects of colonialization or thinks it is something that should be done again. There are more real and egregious examples of bigotry impacting individual peoples lives.
Agreed, I would be amazed if there were many people who did not know about slavery and how the native populations were subjugated.

The article suffers the same ill that most progressives seem to suffer, the idea that they alone are right and anybody who disagrees with them is racist sexist etc
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mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:27 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:26 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:57 am
mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:01 am https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ulture-war

This is very self serving article from the Guardian

Basically saying that whatever the left/progressives do is Ok, but if the right/conservatives do it they are taking part in a culture war.

Also denying the left/progressives are not engaging in a culture war. I think it is called gaslighting.

The Guardian is basically a mouthpiece for the Labour Party now as it has given up all pretence of balance (and of course the Twitterati are lapping it up)
I think people a more aware that empire was built on the back of other peoples' suffering and are wanting to highlight and address it rather than hide it as has been the case so far.
I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know the effects of colonialization or thinks it is something that should be done again. There are more real and egregious examples of bigotry impacting individual peoples lives.
Agreed, I would be amazed if there were many people who did not know about slavery and how the native populations were subjugated.

The article suffers the same ill that most progressives seem to suffer, the idea that they alone are right and anybody who disagrees with them is racist sexist etc
The benefits of colonisation and slavery are still enjoyed and celebrated by a wealthy few countries and individuals. Compensation and reconciliation has not been addressed so statues will continue to fall while the elite remain elite.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:27 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:27 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:26 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:57 am
mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:01 am https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ulture-war

This is very self serving article from the Guardian

Basically saying that whatever the left/progressives do is Ok, but if the right/conservatives do it they are taking part in a culture war.

Also denying the left/progressives are not engaging in a culture war. I think it is called gaslighting.

The Guardian is basically a mouthpiece for the Labour Party now as it has given up all pretence of balance (and of course the Twitterati are lapping it up)
I think people a more aware that empire was built on the back of other peoples' suffering and are wanting to highlight and address it rather than hide it as has been the case so far.
I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know the effects of colonialization or thinks it is something that should be done again. There are more real and egregious examples of bigotry impacting individual peoples lives.
Agreed, I would be amazed if there were many people who did not know about slavery and how the native populations were subjugated.

The article suffers the same ill that most progressives seem to suffer, the idea that they alone are right and anybody who disagrees with them is racist sexist etc
The benefits of colonisation and slavery are still enjoyed and celebrated by a wealthy few countries and individuals. Compensation and reconciliation has not been addressed so statues will continue to fall while the elite remain elite.
Not in the UK they won't the protestors overreached themselves when they started to deface the cenotaph and the statute of Churchill.

There will never be more than token reparations as no party that wants to get the vote of the average working man and women struggling to get by will propose shovelling billions of pounds to another country to pay for the crimes of generations past when there is poverty in the UK.
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mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:00 pm
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:27 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:27 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:26 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:57 am I think people a more aware that empire was built on the back of other peoples' suffering and are wanting to highlight and address it rather than hide it as has been the case so far.
I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know the effects of colonialization or thinks it is something that should be done again. There are more real and egregious examples of bigotry impacting individual peoples lives.
Agreed, I would be amazed if there were many people who did not know about slavery and how the native populations were subjugated.

The article suffers the same ill that most progressives seem to suffer, the idea that they alone are right and anybody who disagrees with them is racist sexist etc
The benefits of colonisation and slavery are still enjoyed and celebrated by a wealthy few countries and individuals. Compensation and reconciliation has not been addressed so statues will continue to fall while the elite remain elite.
Not in the UK they won't the protestors overreached themselves when they started to deface the cenotaph and the statute of Churchill.

There will never be more than token reparations as no party that wants to get the vote of the average working man and women struggling to get by will propose shovelling billions of pounds to another country to pay for the crimes of generations past when there is poverty in the UK.
It's a real issue with Capitalism. Wealth is not shared, particularly for society good.
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Still preferable to 100 million deaths a century that the alternative brings.
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bimboman wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:05 pm Still preferable to 100 million deaths a century that the alternative brings.
Oh fine. A few statues falling and a few names erased doesn't seem to be such a big deal then, does it.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:08 pm
bimboman wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:05 pm Still preferable to 100 million deaths a century that the alternative brings.
Oh fine. A few statues falling and a few names erased doesn't seem to be such a big deal then, does it.
Yes, history is important to a country's identity

If you want to make positive change, you need to get the voters onside. Pulling down statutes and defacing cenotaph and Winston Churchill's statute will not get you any positive change.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:27 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:27 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:26 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:57 am
mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:01 am https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ulture-war

This is very self serving article from the Guardian

Basically saying that whatever the left/progressives do is Ok, but if the right/conservatives do it they are taking part in a culture war.

Also denying the left/progressives are not engaging in a culture war. I think it is called gaslighting.

The Guardian is basically a mouthpiece for the Labour Party now as it has given up all pretence of balance (and of course the Twitterati are lapping it up)
I think people a more aware that empire was built on the back of other peoples' suffering and are wanting to highlight and address it rather than hide it as has been the case so far.
I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know the effects of colonialization or thinks it is something that should be done again. There are more real and egregious examples of bigotry impacting individual peoples lives.
Agreed, I would be amazed if there were many people who did not know about slavery and how the native populations were subjugated.

The article suffers the same ill that most progressives seem to suffer, the idea that they alone are right and anybody who disagrees with them is racist sexist etc
The benefits of colonisation and slavery are still enjoyed and celebrated by a wealthy few countries and individuals. Compensation and reconciliation has not been addressed so statues will continue to fall while the elite remain elite.
What countries and what individuals?
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:22 am
Mind you, for whatever reason, I had a bit of a problem with Daniel Craig being cast as James Bond (they could have at least died his hair brown and gave him brown contact lenses ffs) but no so much of a problem if Idris Elba got the role. Elba is such a stud he could pull it off.
Bond had blue eyes in the books, incidentally.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:03 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:00 pm
Muttonbirds wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:27 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:27 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:26 am

I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know the effects of colonialization or thinks it is something that should be done again. There are more real and egregious examples of bigotry impacting individual peoples lives.
Agreed, I would be amazed if there were many people who did not know about slavery and how the native populations were subjugated.

The article suffers the same ill that most progressives seem to suffer, the idea that they alone are right and anybody who disagrees with them is racist sexist etc
The benefits of colonisation and slavery are still enjoyed and celebrated by a wealthy few countries and individuals. Compensation and reconciliation has not been addressed so statues will continue to fall while the elite remain elite.
Not in the UK they won't the protestors overreached themselves when they started to deface the cenotaph and the statute of Churchill.

There will never be more than token reparations as no party that wants to get the vote of the average working man and women struggling to get by will propose shovelling billions of pounds to another country to pay for the crimes of generations past when there is poverty in the UK.
It's a real issue with Capitalism. Wealth is not shared, particularly for society good.
Of course it is. Otherwise we wouldn't be posting on the internet with our iPhones.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:24 pm
Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:22 am
Mind you, for whatever reason, I had a bit of a problem with Daniel Craig being cast as James Bond (they could have at least died his hair brown and gave him brown contact lenses ffs) but no so much of a problem if Idris Elba got the role. Elba is such a stud he could pull it off.
Bond had blue eyes in the books, incidentally.
Did he really? I thought he had brown hair, brown eyes and a scar on his face that for some reason no Bond in any movie has ever had?

Anyway, I believe you. I've never even read the books, it's just something I heard.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:25 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:24 pm
Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:22 am
Mind you, for whatever reason, I had a bit of a problem with Daniel Craig being cast as James Bond (they could have at least died his hair brown and gave him brown contact lenses ffs) but no so much of a problem if Idris Elba got the role. Elba is such a stud he could pull it off.
Bond had blue eyes in the books, incidentally.
Did he really? I thought he had brown hair, brown eyes and a scar on his face that for some reason no Bond in any movie has ever had?
Thats sounds more like Richard Sharpe than James Bond.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:25 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:24 pm
Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:22 am
Mind you, for whatever reason, I had a bit of a problem with Daniel Craig being cast as James Bond (they could have at least died his hair brown and gave him brown contact lenses ffs) but no so much of a problem if Idris Elba got the role. Elba is such a stud he could pull it off.
Bond had blue eyes in the books, incidentally.
Did he really? I thought he had brown hair, brown eyes and a scar on his face that for some reason no Bond in any movie has ever had?

Anyway, I believe you. I've never even read the books, it's just something I heard.
I've never read the books either, I just read an article a few years back with his description. He was apparently based on some musician from the 30's named Hoagy Carmicheal. But I definitely recall blue eyes being part of that description.

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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:25 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:25 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:24 pm
Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:22 am
Mind you, for whatever reason, I had a bit of a problem with Daniel Craig being cast as James Bond (they could have at least died his hair brown and gave him brown contact lenses ffs) but no so much of a problem if Idris Elba got the role. Elba is such a stud he could pull it off.
Bond had blue eyes in the books, incidentally.
Did he really? I thought he had brown hair, brown eyes and a scar on his face that for some reason no Bond in any movie has ever had?

Anyway, I believe you. I've never even read the books, it's just something I heard.
I've never read the books either, I just read an article a few years back with his description. He was apparently based on some musician from the 30's named Hoagy Carmicheal. But I definitely recall blue eyes being part of that description.

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Yeah it's true, I looked it up on Wikipedia and read that too. Apparently grey-blue eyes. Interesting.

In Felmming's own words: slim build; a three-inch long, thin vertical scar on his right cheek; blue-grey eyes; a "cruel" mouth; short, black hair, a comma of which rests on his forehead.

Physically he is described as 183 centimetres (6 feet) in height and 76 kilograms (168 lb) in weight and also smoked 60 custom rolled cigarettes a day.

I wish they'd make a movie with a chain-smoking Bond that fits the description. To hell with the poliitcal correctness around smoking heros. Also, set it in the 1960s. That would be awesome.

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Benedict Cumberbatch or Tom Hiddleston now come to mind.
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UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:54 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:45 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:42 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:30 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:26 am
It's been a while since I've check in on Sen's reach around thread.

I don't think you're racist at all but I think you're making a mountain out of a fucking molehill. The book exists, there's a more faithful movie adaption out there already, that's not going to change, this is just going to be a different version that you can easily ignore if you don't want to watch it. Like I've ignored the Point Break remake with extreme sports. x(
Yes. That is entirely fair enough. COVID is boring, sometimes I just have to feign outrage to see if I can start a shit fight with some justice warriors on PR for my own amusement. Hey, at least I'm honest about it.
:lol: Fair enough.

I remember when the BSG remake came out and I refused to watch it because they made Starbuck and Boomer women. Then I got over myself and watched it and it was awesome (and Boomer is hot). So I've tried to judge everything on it's own merits, except Point Break of course.

The worst "woke" outrage was the complaints about Emma Stone's character in Aloha not being played by an Asian actress despite the fact the character was half white, quarter Hawaiian and quarter Asian. The pool for finding an actress to fit that was presumably pretty low.
Yeah that is very true (r.e. Emma Stone).

For my personal 2c, I quite liked the all-women Ghostbusters. I thought it kept the same vibe and atmosphere of the originals and was quite watchable and amusing. Not the greatest movie ever of course, but it wasn't horrible.
That movie was what made realise there are a bunch of whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything. That movie was slated before release by internet crowd, even though the original principals gave their blessing and were involved.
I give you the theme song for the all female ghostbusters, and the "whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything" were reacting to the trailer that was completely wank btw, do you want to also include the reactions of people involved with the female movie who certainly lead to a whole lot of folk boycotting it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AQ44nPrRTM

Actually didn't mind the movie 6/10 from me, watchable, humour is America dribble, doesn't match the original
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Salient wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:39 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:54 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:45 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:42 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:30 am
Yes. That is entirely fair enough. COVID is boring, sometimes I just have to feign outrage to see if I can start a shit fight with some justice warriors on PR for my own amusement. Hey, at least I'm honest about it.
:lol: Fair enough.

I remember when the BSG remake came out and I refused to watch it because they made Starbuck and Boomer women. Then I got over myself and watched it and it was awesome (and Boomer is hot). So I've tried to judge everything on it's own merits, except Point Break of course.

The worst "woke" outrage was the complaints about Emma Stone's character in Aloha not being played by an Asian actress despite the fact the character was half white, quarter Hawaiian and quarter Asian. The pool for finding an actress to fit that was presumably pretty low.
Yeah that is very true (r.e. Emma Stone).

For my personal 2c, I quite liked the all-women Ghostbusters. I thought it kept the same vibe and atmosphere of the originals and was quite watchable and amusing. Not the greatest movie ever of course, but it wasn't horrible.
That movie was what made realise there are a bunch of whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything. That movie was slated before release by internet crowd, even though the original principals gave their blessing and were involved.
I give you the theme song for the all female ghostbusters, and the "whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything" were reacting to the trailer that was completely wank btw, do you want to also include the reactions of people involved with the female movie who certainly lead to a whole lot of folk boycotting it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AQ44nPrRTM

Actually didn't mind the movie 6/10 from me, watchable, humour is America dribble, doesn't match the original
You mean the ones who reacted to the whiny dipshits that were hissy fitting with a bit of racism to boot?

Not sure what the Youtube video is for? I thought it was going to be the reactions of the people involved. I also didn't mention the trailer, the internet lot were melting down long before a trailer was released.

I'd probably give it the same rating.
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UncleFB wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:08 am
Salient wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:39 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:54 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:45 am
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:42 am
:lol: Fair enough.

I remember when the BSG remake came out and I refused to watch it because they made Starbuck and Boomer women. Then I got over myself and watched it and it was awesome (and Boomer is hot). So I've tried to judge everything on it's own merits, except Point Break of course.

The worst "woke" outrage was the complaints about Emma Stone's character in Aloha not being played by an Asian actress despite the fact the character was half white, quarter Hawaiian and quarter Asian. The pool for finding an actress to fit that was presumably pretty low.
Yeah that is very true (r.e. Emma Stone).

For my personal 2c, I quite liked the all-women Ghostbusters. I thought it kept the same vibe and atmosphere of the originals and was quite watchable and amusing. Not the greatest movie ever of course, but it wasn't horrible.
That movie was what made realise there are a bunch of whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything. That movie was slated before release by internet crowd, even though the original principals gave their blessing and were involved.
I give you the theme song for the all female ghostbusters, and the "whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything" were reacting to the trailer that was completely wank btw, do you want to also include the reactions of people involved with the female movie who certainly lead to a whole lot of folk boycotting it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AQ44nPrRTM

Actually didn't mind the movie 6/10 from me, watchable, humour is America dribble, doesn't match the original
You mean the ones who reacted to the whiny dipshits that were hissy fitting with a bit of racism to boot?

Not sure what the Youtube video is for? I thought it was going to be the reactions of the people involved. I also didn't mention the trailer, the internet lot were melting down long before a trailer was released.

I'd probably give it the same rating.
To me the problem was the marketing followed up by the aggressiveness of the production being overly eager to lable detractors as opposed to promoting the film itself. It was just a shit show of upperty bastards on all sides pointing the finger and yelling. Problem is one side needed to sell to the other and thus there will be no sequal.
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As part of its effort to become anti racist the San Diego Unified School District will review its zero tolerance policy on cheating. Vote Biden. :lol:

And other stuff.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ ... ssion=true
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Santa wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:35 pm As part of its effort to become anti racist the San Diego Unified School District will review its zero tolerance policy on cheating. Vote Biden. :lol:

And other stuff.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ ... ssion=true
Now Santa, you know that isn't what it says at all. They're going to review disparities resulting from the policy, not the policy itself. Comprehension 6/10.
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