The Culture Wars Mega Thread

[bimboman]

As part of its effort to become anti racist the San Diego Unified School District will review its zero tolerance policy on cheating. Vote Biden.

And other stuff.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ ... ssion=true

Now Santa, you know that isn't what it says at all. They're going to review disparities resulting from the policy, not the policy itself. Comprehension 6/10.

That’s a great hair split.

[6.Jones]

As part of its effort to become anti racist the San Diego Unified School District will review its zero tolerance policy on cheating. Vote Biden.

And other stuff.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ ... ssion=true

Now Santa, you know that isn't what it says at all. They're going to review disparities resulting from the policy, not the policy itself. Comprehension 6/10.

That’s a great hair split.

No, it's not. We should hope all public servants review the data before thinking about making a decision. It's like the difference between looking at the fat girl at the party and drunkenly shagging her later.

[bimboman]

As part of its effort to become anti racist the San Diego Unified School District will review its zero tolerance policy on cheating. Vote Biden.

And other stuff.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ ... ssion=true

Now Santa, you know that isn't what it says at all. They're going to review disparities resulting from the policy, not the policy itself. Comprehension 6/10.

That’s a great hair split.

No, it's not. We should hope all public servants review the data before thinking about making a decision. It's like the difference between looking at the fat girl at the party and drunkenly shagging her later.

The fat girls already pregnant...

[6.Jones]

As part of its effort to become anti racist the San Diego Unified School District will review its zero tolerance policy on cheating. Vote Biden.

And other stuff.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ ... ssion=true

Now Santa, you know that isn't what it says at all. They're going to review disparities resulting from the policy, not the policy itself. Comprehension 6/10.

That’s a great hair split.

No, it's not. We should hope all public servants review the data before thinking about making a decision. It's like the difference between looking at the fat girl at the party and drunkenly shagging her later.

The fat girls already pregnant...

Biology 6/10.

[Santa]

As part of its effort to become anti racist the San Diego Unified School District will review its zero tolerance policy on cheating. Vote Biden.

And other stuff.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ ... ssion=true

Now Santa, you know that isn't what it says at all. They're going to review disparities resulting from the policy, not the policy itself. Comprehension 6/10.

That’s a great hair split.

No, no he's right. They'll just note the disparities, shrug their shoulders and carry on.

[Harveys]

[Santa]

Some wonderful racial categorisation coming out from the University of California. I haven't seen this level of granularity since the Great Chain of Being.

A student’s primary race/ethnicity is determined by the left-most column in the table above of all the categories selected. For most UC current reporting (such as the Accountability Report and the UC Information Center), the italicized heading at the top of the column is considered the primary race/ethnicity.

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/ ... ection.pdf

Interestingly being Black Trumps being Native American or Hawai'ian.

[bimboman]

Some wonderful racial categorisation coming out from the University of California. I haven't seen this level of granularity since the Great Chain of Being.

A student’s primary race/ethnicity is determined by the left-most column in the table above of all the categories selected. For most UC current reporting (such as the Accountability Report and the UC Information Center), the italicized heading at the top of the column is considered the primary race/ethnicity.

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/ ... ection.pdf

Interestingly being Black Trumps being Native American or Hawai'ian.

Is be pissed as a Portuguese losing merits to a princess from Madrid, and amazingly there’s no where for a black Brazilian at all.

[Ulsters Red Hand]

Can’t find the Peterson thread but looks like he’s back

[Salient]

Fair enough.

I remember when the BSG remake came out and I refused to watch it because they made Starbuck and Boomer women. Then I got over myself and watched it and it was awesome (and Boomer is hot). So I've tried to judge everything on it's own merits, except Point Break of course.

The worst "woke" outrage was the complaints about Emma Stone's character in Aloha not being played by an Asian actress despite the fact the character was half white, quarter Hawaiian and quarter Asian. The pool for finding an actress to fit that was presumably pretty low.

Yeah that is very true (r.e. Emma Stone).

For my personal 2c, I quite liked the all-women Ghostbusters. I thought it kept the same vibe and atmosphere of the originals and was quite watchable and amusing. Not the greatest movie ever of course, but it wasn't horrible.

That movie was what made realise there are a bunch of whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything. That movie was slated before release by internet crowd, even though the original principals gave their blessing and were involved.

I give you the theme song for the all female ghostbusters, and the "whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything" were reacting to the trailer that was completely wank btw, do you want to also include the reactions of people involved with the female movie who certainly lead to a whole lot of folk boycotting it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AQ44nPrRTM

Actually didn't mind the movie 6/10 from me, watchable, humour is America dribble, doesn't match the original

You mean the ones who reacted to the whiny dipshits that were hissy fitting with a bit of racism to boot?

Not sure what the Youtube video is for? I thought it was going to be the reactions of the people involved. I also didn't mention the trailer, the internet lot were melting down long before a trailer was released.

I'd probably give it the same rating.

No I'm talking about the Director and studio execs referring to the haters as misogynist and being Trump voters in some real fire the flames pronouncements as people simply stated the trailer sucked, which it did.

I was certainly turned off the movie by the reaction of the Director, who needs to give himself a good upper cut, but caught up with the movie in a box set with the first two movies. Not the best movie I've ever seen but certainly not the worse.

[UncleFB]

Yeah that is very true (r.e. Emma Stone).

For my personal 2c, I quite liked the all-women Ghostbusters. I thought it kept the same vibe and atmosphere of the originals and was quite watchable and amusing. Not the greatest movie ever of course, but it wasn't horrible.

That movie was what made realise there are a bunch of whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything. That movie was slated before release by internet crowd, even though the original principals gave their blessing and were involved.

I give you the theme song for the all female ghostbusters, and the "whiny male dipshits out there that will hissy fit over anything" were reacting to the trailer that was completely wank btw, do you want to also include the reactions of people involved with the female movie who certainly lead to a whole lot of folk boycotting it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AQ44nPrRTM

Actually didn't mind the movie 6/10 from me, watchable, humour is America dribble, doesn't match the original

You mean the ones who reacted to the whiny dipshits that were hissy fitting with a bit of racism to boot?

Not sure what the Youtube video is for? I thought it was going to be the reactions of the people involved. I also didn't mention the trailer, the internet lot were melting down long before a trailer was released.

I'd probably give it the same rating.

No I'm talking about the Director and studio execs referring to the haters as misogynist and being Trump voters in some real fire the flames pronouncements as people simply stated the trailer sucked, which it did.

I was certainly turned off the movie by the reaction of the Director, who needs to give himself a good upper cut, but caught up with the movie in a box set with the first two movies. Not the best movie I've ever seen but certainly not the worse.

You may want to pretend that all the criticism was about the trailer, and this is the thread you'll get support for that, but that’s utter B/S.

[Salient]

[quote="UncleFB
You may want to pretend that all the criticism was about the trailer, and this is the thread you'll get support for that, but that’s utter B/S.
[/quote]

Okay no meltdown on youtube over the trailer, and the trailer wasn't condemned left, right, and center as being perhaps the worse ever released at the time. Clearly you are more up on social media than I am

[sturginho]

Yeah it's true, I looked it up on Wikipedia and read that too. Apparently grey-blue eyes. Interesting.

In Felmming's own words: slim build; a three-inch long, thin vertical scar on his right cheek; blue-grey eyes; a "cruel" mouth; short, black hair, a comma of which rests on his forehead.

Physically he is described as 183 centimetres (6 feet) in height and 76 kilograms (168 lb) in weight and also smoked 60 custom rolled cigarettes a day.

I wish they'd make a movie with a chain-smoking Bond that fits the description. To hell with the poliitcal correctness around smoking heros. Also, set it in the 1960s. That would be awesome.



Benedict Cumberbatch or Tom Hiddleston now come to mind.

Casino Royale was published in 1953, if there's ever to be a period Bond film it has to be set in 1953

[Jerome Manning]

Bond films give me the shits when they try and cram in as many exotic locations in the opening 10 minutes - with no plot.

Starts in Mogadishu, then Venice, London, Cairo followed by the Bahamas.

[Zico]

The last four years should have been the best of times for white supremacists but they just seemed to get angrier than ever. That kind of fanaticism happens with the weakest and most vulnerable.

A lot of f**ked up people, not just in the US, are going to have to try wind their necks in and reintegrate with normal society over the next few years.

Delete, delete, delete.. covering of social media tracks.

[AnkleTap]

The last four years should have been the best of times for white supremacists but they just seemed to get angrier than ever. That kind of fanaticism happens with the weakest and most vulnerable.

A lot of f**ked up people, not just in the US, are going to have to try wind their necks in and reintegrate with normal society over the next few years.

Delete, delete, delete.. covering of social media tracks.

You should wind you neck in too else the helicopter blades will cut your head off before we reach the drop zone.

[Zico]

You should wind you neck in too else the helicopter blades will cut your head off before we reach the drop zone.

Excuse me?

[AnkleTap]

You should wind you neck in too else the helicopter blades will cut your head off before we reach the drop zone.

Excuse me?

[UncleFB]

[quote="UncleFB
You may want to pretend that all the criticism was about the trailer, and this is the thread you'll get support for that, but that’s utter B/S.

Okay no meltdown on youtube over the trailer, and the trailer wasn't condemned left, right, and center as being perhaps the worse ever released at the time. Clearly you are more up on social media than I am
[/quote]
I didn't say there wasn't criticism about the trailer (I don't watch trailers so never saw it to make a first hand appraisal) at all.

I also don't really go on social media, I've used my twitter account three times, to argue with the NH hack Brendan Gallagher when he's spouting ill informed stuff about Polynesians. One of the Empire writers used to have a link to all the shit social media posts that weren't just about a crap trailer.

[Zico]

You should wind you neck in too else the helicopter blades will cut your head off before we reach the drop zone.

Excuse me?

I'm an idiot.

[Zico]

[quote="UncleFB
You may want to pretend that all the criticism was about the trailer, and this is the thread you'll get support for that, but that’s utter B/S.

Okay no meltdown on youtube over the trailer, and the trailer wasn't condemned left, right, and center as being perhaps the worse ever released at the time. Clearly you are more up on social media than I am

I didn't say there wasn't criticism about the trailer (I don't watch trailers so never saw it to make a first hand appraisal) at all.

I also don't really go on social media, I've used my twitter account three times, to argue with the NH hack Brendan Gallagher when he's spouting ill informed stuff about Polynesians. One of the Empire writers used to have a link to all the shit social media posts that weren't just about a crap trailer.
[/quote]

Go fudge Yoorself!!

Ya

Black v White is easy to see, the grey/beige areas more hard to define.

[Zico]

Go fudge Yoorself!!

Ya

Black v White is easy to see, the grey/beige areas more hard to define.

[eldanielfire]

Glen Greenwald quits The Intercept, the publication he founded. He says he left because the editors refused to publish his article that included criticisms of Joe Biden, unless he removed them.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1 ... 7226222593

[Salient]

[quote="UncleFB
You may want to pretend that all the criticism was about the trailer, and this is the thread you'll get support for that, but that’s utter B/S.

Okay no meltdown on youtube over the trailer, and the trailer wasn't condemned left, right, and center as being perhaps the worse ever released at the time. Clearly you are more up on social media than I am

I didn't say there wasn't criticism about the trailer (I don't watch trailers so never saw it to make a first hand appraisal) at all.

I also don't really go on social media, I've used my twitter account three times, to argue with the NH hack Brendan Gallagher when he's spouting ill informed stuff about Polynesians. One of the Empire writers used to have a link to all the shit social media posts that weren't just about a crap trailer.
[/quote]

Okay so you don't spend wasted hours on social media, yet know exactly why the "meltdown", to use a media term, occurred on various platforms over the trailer? "Meltdown" btw equals the majority of users didn't give a flying fudge, but hey drama is going to drama to the media. Really wish we could get back to something I like to call Journalism.

For those interested we are getting yet another remake of "Night of the Living Dead", this time with a black female actress taking the role of Ben cause, well diversity. Out of interest Tom Savini's 1990 remake cast a white female in the role, guess not diverse enough.

The ironing isn't exactly strong in Boredwood currently, another character cast based on race and gender folks.

[eldanielfire]

[quote="UncleFB
You may want to pretend that all the criticism was about the trailer, and this is the thread you'll get support for that, but that’s utter B/S.

Okay no meltdown on youtube over the trailer, and the trailer wasn't condemned left, right, and center as being perhaps the worse ever released at the time. Clearly you are more up on social media than I am

I didn't say there wasn't criticism about the trailer (I don't watch trailers so never saw it to make a first hand appraisal) at all.

I also don't really go on social media, I've used my twitter account three times, to argue with the NH hack Brendan Gallagher when he's spouting ill informed stuff about Polynesians. One of the Empire writers used to have a link to all the shit social media posts that weren't just about a crap trailer.

Okay so you don't spend wasted hours on social media, yet know exactly why the "meltdown", to use a media term, occurred on various platforms over the trailer? "Meltdown" btw equals the majority of users didn't give a flying fudge, but hey drama is going to drama to the media. Really wish we could get back to something I like to call Journalism.[/quote]

Funny how informed UncleFB is on every issue here but he never uses Twitter despite spending years talking about what's on it and never watches YouTube but knows who are the channels are and what they say, but is all over every thread on PR with his opinions of it

For those interested we are getting yet another remake of "Night of the Living Dead", this time with a black female actress taking the role of Ben cause, well diversity. Out of interest Tom Savini's 1990 remake cast a white female in the role, guess not diverse enough.

The ironing isn't exactly strong in Boredwood currently, another character cast based on race and gender folks.

Diversity? I hope that's sarcastic

I've not seen the 1990 one, unless they were converting the social commentary on racism to misogyny then it's a change narrative that can make sense and honour the original as a social update. As for the new one.....It will be at best "not shit", but will probably be shit. I wish they would create new franchises in Hollywood.

[Floppykid]

Glen Greenwald quits The Intercept, the publication he founded. He says he left because the editors refused to publish his article that included criticisms of Joe Biden, unless he removed them.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1 ... 7226222593

Guy is such a hack.

[eldanielfire]

Glen Greenwald quits The Intercept, the publication he founded. He says he left because the editors refused to publish his article that included criticisms of Joe Biden, unless he removed them.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1 ... 7226222593

Guy is such a hack.

Plenty of disagreement with Greenwald myself, one thing you couldn't say about him is he is a hack when he's uncovered and reported one of the biggest privacy violations ever by the US government on it's people and foreign allies and uncovered corruption endemic against the government in Brazil it actually had threats on his life. Greenwald has uncovered serious and huge stories against government corruption and abuse of power, a hack is about the least accurate thing you could call him.

[Salient]

[quote="UncleFB
You may want to pretend that all the criticism was about the trailer, and this is the thread you'll get support for that, but that’s utter B/S.

Okay no meltdown on youtube over the trailer, and the trailer wasn't condemned left, right, and center as being perhaps the worse ever released at the time. Clearly you are more up on social media than I am

I didn't say there wasn't criticism about the trailer (I don't watch trailers so never saw it to make a first hand appraisal) at all.

I also don't really go on social media, I've used my twitter account three times, to argue with the NH hack Brendan Gallagher when he's spouting ill informed stuff about Polynesians. One of the Empire writers used to have a link to all the shit social media posts that weren't just about a crap trailer.

Okay so you don't spend wasted hours on social media, yet know exactly why the "meltdown", to use a media term, occurred on various platforms over the trailer? "Meltdown" btw equals the majority of users didn't give a flying fudge, but hey drama is going to drama to the media. Really wish we could get back to something I like to call Journalism.

Funny how informed UncleFB is on every issue here but he never uses Twitter despite spending years talking about what's on it and never watches YouTube but knows who are the channels are and what they say, but is all over every thread on PR with his opinions of it

For those interested we are getting yet another remake of "Night of the Living Dead", this time with a black female actress taking the role of Ben cause, well diversity. Out of interest Tom Savini's 1990 remake cast a white female in the role, guess not diverse enough.

The ironing isn't exactly strong in Boredwood currently, another character cast based on race and gender folks.

Diversity? I hope that's sarcastic

I've not seen the 1990 one, unless they were converting the social commentary on racism to misogyny then it's a change narrative that can make sense and honour the original as a social update. As for the new one.....It will be at best "not shit", but will probably be shit. I wish they would create new franchises in Hollywood.
[/quote]

Well we do have the Conjuring franchise, if you can get past the Warrens bullshit

Currently watching Blood Quantum, made by a Native American, excellent stuff and shows how to make a political comment without ramming it down people's throats. Not for people who don't like gore ... and brings a new meaning to a "head job".

[6.Jones]

Knowing everything about Twitter and not using it seems like a perfectly rational choice.

[Santa]

Abraham Lincoln being destatuefied now. Not even having a whole war to end slavery is enough.

[Santa]

Claire Lehman made a very good point the other day. Just as one can be too online one can be too offline. The crazy shit spills over and there are real world consequences. Pleading ignorance will not save you so you should be aware.

[eldanielfire]

Carole Cadwalladr, famous for exposing Cambridge Analytica stole the Brexit referendum and then it finding out there wasn't enough evidence to say so is apologizing to Aaron Banks on Twitter because she appears to have lied about him breaking the law

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/stat ... 4231669761

[message #2527204]

Abraham Lincoln being destatuefied now. Not even having a whole war to end slavery is enough.

He didn't though, did he?

[UncleFB]

[quote="UncleFB
You may want to pretend that all the criticism was about the trailer, and this is the thread you'll get support for that, but that’s utter B/S.

Okay no meltdown on youtube over the trailer, and the trailer wasn't condemned left, right, and center as being perhaps the worse ever released at the time. Clearly you are more up on social media than I am

I didn't say there wasn't criticism about the trailer (I don't watch trailers so never saw it to make a first hand appraisal) at all.

I also don't really go on social media, I've used my twitter account three times, to argue with the NH hack Brendan Gallagher when he's spouting ill informed stuff about Polynesians. One of the Empire writers used to have a link to all the shit social media posts that weren't just about a crap trailer.

Okay so you don't spend wasted hours on social media, yet know exactly why the "meltdown", to use a media term, occurred on various platforms over the trailer? "Meltdown" btw equals the majority of users didn't give a flying fudge, but hey drama is going to drama to the media. Really wish we could get back to something I like to call Journalism.

Funny how informed UncleFB is on every issue here but he never uses Twitter despite spending years talking about what's on it and never watches YouTube but knows who are the channels are and what they say, but is all over every thread on PR with his opinions of it


[/quote]
I thought you were a facts dude but here you are wilfully misrepresenting what I've said.

I've never said I don't watch Youtube, I watch lots of stuff on Youtube (history, how-to channels etc), but due a) to an old roommate who was deep diving in the culture wars BS I used to get it clogging up my recommendations, and then b) whenever I open a JP or Joe Rogan thread on here (other forums) then they'd all return. I've found the don't show me this content is probably only 50% effective.

As for twitter, what world do you think I live in where you think I can avoid twitter even though I don't actively use it? I don't live in a bubble. Almost any shit that happens on twitter winds up in here, other forums, or in news websites as "sources".

What I really want to know, and this is directed at my fellow Magpies whanau Salient as well, is why minimise stuff that happened? I've not at any stage said there weren't genuine people who disliked the Ghostbusters trailer/movie on cinematic quality alone (each to their own, films are subjective as fudge, there's even people who like Jurassic World 2 out there), but you guys seem to go out of your way to try and claim that was the only thing that was happening when clearly it wasn't.

[Zico]

Abraham Lincoln being destatuefied now. Not even having a whole war to end slavery is enough.

No good deed goes unpunished.

I think we've been told different versions of the US civil war. You must think WWII was about liberating the Nazi extermination camps.

[Jay Cee Gee]

Abraham Lincoln being destatuefied now. Not even having a whole war to end slavery is enough.

What the f'k are you even on about?

[eldanielfire]

In the case of the Witches, I think Roald Dahl's work (despite him being Norwegian) is distinctly British. That's it's charm and character. All quaint and pommy-like, such as the hobbits from LOTR (thank god they didn't make African and Asian hobbits - although I suppose it's only a matter of time ... with Amazon's new take on it, watch this space). You know, come to think of it, if they cast a little nerdy black boy with glasses in the role, but kept the Norweigian grandma, and kept him as an English boy, I wouldn't really care, if the kid could act. It's the fact they had to make it sooooo black-American-culture that annoys me.

This is turning into a long post, ugh. Anyway, obv. there has been a history of "white-washing" in movies, particularly old ones. But it's not "time to get even" now. That was dumb and a mistake.

It's alright, after everything, the Woke as always, eat the woke. Ann Hathaway has had to apologise. It seems the new The Witches film is offending the disabled.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ng-offence

I'm pretty sure the film makers never intended to make any "disabilities = evil witches" point in the film. This idea that everybody extrapolates that the person that they see on screen as meaning them is ridiculous.

[Ulsters Red Hand]

Has she been cancelled yet?

[eldanielfire]

Has she been cancelled yet?

No, I'm not sure why she gets flack, no actor or actress was responsible for direction and production of this film.

While it's a weird move, as I said I'm sure the director and special effects people had no thoughts that the Witches they were making was somehow representative of disabled people because they had 3 fingers. Though why they chose that instead of long claws is probably more artistic ego than anything.

[Mog The Almighty]

In the case of the Witches, I think Roald Dahl's work (despite him being Norwegian) is distinctly British. That's it's charm and character. All quaint and pommy-like, such as the hobbits from LOTR (thank god they didn't make African and Asian hobbits - although I suppose it's only a matter of time ... with Amazon's new take on it, watch this space). You know, come to think of it, if they cast a little nerdy black boy with glasses in the role, but kept the Norweigian grandma, and kept him as an English boy, I wouldn't really care, if the kid could act. It's the fact they had to make it sooooo black-American-culture that annoys me.

This is turning into a long post, ugh. Anyway, obv. there has been a history of "white-washing" in movies, particularly old ones. But it's not "time to get even" now. That was dumb and a mistake.

It's alright, after everything, the Woke as always, eat the woke. Ann Hathaway has had to apologise. It seems the new The Witches film is offending the disabled.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ng-offence

I'm pretty sure the film makers never intended to make any "disabilities = evil witches" point in the film. This idea that everybody extrapolates that the person that they see on screen as meaning them is ridiculous.

Ridiculous. Not woke enough.

I genuinely fear for the future, at least for honest conversation and the arts.