From what me mate told there is a reason those boats are so big and he doesnt spend F A time off them so he carnt feel absolutely secure,he said when boris and others "died" he was an anxious man around security issues

Bill Browder was just a name I'd seen and the only effect it sparked in me was curiosity as to whether he was a rello of the former CPUSA boss. I gave into that curiosity after your post and yep, he's Earl Browder's grandson. It is to laugh.

And yeah, he totally sounds like a Fúcken Crook, Division One.

I think I need to read this. First port of call will be my local library.

Arkansas flu. Deadlier than Ebola.

You just know it's probably not such an insane conspiracy theory when Alex Jones, Steven Crowder, Tim Pool, Joe Rogan and Cenk Uygur all agree something's fishy about the story

Good ol' Cenk called - rightfully so - for a full investigation into the whole saga. His suggestion as to who would lead the investigation is interesting though: AOC

Not sure whether he's being serious, or trolling the hell out of the right wingers though. But I'm also not sure he's bright enough to troll.

John Podesta: “I MUST have that for my collection!”

apparently Maxwell's been located..

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-14/epsteins-madam-found-ghislaine-maxwell-living-tech-ceo-3m-mansion-near-boston


top comment so far..

If they destroy it I presume they still have the preliminary sketches??

Leonardo Acropolis still has them.

seems legit..

https://www.cfr.org/content/bios/Borgerson_bio_Feb09.pdf

true, though I don't believe you're really surprised.

Well he is a geeeenius

It's sad really. That's a very poorly painted picture. Truly. Good enough for a hobbyist or a reasonably talented school-leaver. A legitimately hilarious mess by the standards of any professional. Incalculable heaps of cash swishing round Epstein's pockets; a society chick like Maxwell who had spent her life in and out of houses where there was top notch clutter on the walls; and he opts for fourth rate tat. Speaks volumes.

On the other hand, I see the artist was at one point - sigh - on the books with Saatchi. That was probably enough for him. That, and the in-joke of having Bill in a compromising situation. Again.

Maybe now is a good time to dust off those old hackneyed conspiracies again.
Pizzagate, Seth Rich...anyone?

There's no doubt that whatever they get up to behind closed doors, from what we've all seen, that entire crowd - the Podestas above all - have somehow managed to acquire the most abysmal art collections in living memory. Perhaps in all of human history. Expensive, of course. Good street cred within a very narrow set too. But you'll find better stuff behind the reception desk of a deserted caravan park in Skegness.

The Podesta need for pictures of children in various states of unnerving dislocation or borderline abuse is truly baffling. There's nothing affirming about plastering your house with stuff of that nature. No difficulty whatsoever in seeing how so many people - after a look at the pics - decided there was something extremely sinister about these guys.

The dodgy paedo art wasn't just in his private collection but publically displayed in a supposedly family restaurant. No gets a WTF moment seeing that kind of stuff?

This is just the DC equivalent of Jimmy Saville and co. Goes across all political sides, involves high profile people and much worse than can be imagined.

I read that the autopsy underlined neck injuries more common to homicide cases than suicide ones.
Interesting

Just to come back to this issue for a moment. Here are some examples of the work of Aussie Artist Patricia Piccinini, described as a protege of Tony Podesta's in an interview the Guardian conducted with him when he was riding the wave of success in the mid noughties. To be fair, there is serious technical ability on display here. But no one can look at this stuff and think it represents the tastes of people with a healthy inner life.

NSFW. You have been warned.

Yes. A number of reputable outlets are reporting that he had several broken bones in his neck. Apparently, although these injuries don't rule out death by hanging, they are more consistent with strangulation.

Jesus HT, that is some weird shite.

A cross between Pans Labyrinth and the works of H. R. Giger

Yep. It really is, isn't it.

Yes. As you scroll through her portfolio, you do start expecting to see a silicone David Bowie with six tits and an anus on his head to suddenly hove into view with a toddler in hand.

The Podestas are certified weirdos. Along with their right hand man David Brock.

Randy Andy looking for a rock to hide under...must be some incoming.

must be bad, he's done a runner with Fergie..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7359313/Panicked-Prince-Andrew-ex-wife-Fergie-fly-Malaga-private-jet-holiday.html

His Royal Highness.
By Jupiter, in this day and age, do we really need that sort of shit?

Not much different than "Right Honorable" to be fair.

This is not a strong argument. Other than being perfectly circular it ignores the obvious suicide risk. A man who had everything now ruined, universally reviled, facing life in prison as a child sex trafficker.

My 10 second Wiki refresher says double jeopardy 'prevents an accused being tried again on the same charges and on the same facts, following a valid acquittal or conviction.' Surely the known facts and charges are quite different and Epstein knew he would die in prison either sooner or later.

Fishoodie had it right earlier for mine.

All of this remains true. So far as an obvious suicide risk being 'allowed' to hang himself, I'm reminded of the adage, 'never attribute to malice which can be explained by incompetence'.

Remove all unnecessary assumptions and he most likely killed himself, but you wouldn't rule much out. It's got everything. Conspiracy gold. One minute you're ridiculing QAnon for certifiable theories of international pedophile rings among the global elite, and the next...

Irresistible.

I see one of the chapo lads has gone off the deepend with his theory. Maddest and at least believable one I’ve heard is it was all a shake down to see what he knew and then when they were satisfied they compelled him to kill him self and set it up so he’d be able to.

Not that the Clintons had anything to do with this, they obviously could not and did not, but it was fascinating seeing the photo of Maxwell’s daughter at Chelsea Clinton’s wedding. It was an incredible gathering of the lizard people in fact. Mossad couldn’t bug the Oval Office but they had Monica Lewinsky’s apartment bugged and tried to use that to leverage Clinton. Now it turns out that Ghislaine Maxwell is/was almost certainly a Mossad agent...

Somewhat less archaic than Jupiter

Fair game in spying. Know the people in power, know the people that surround the people in power.

Great name for a great artist. I love her collaborations with sculptor Stacy Kneegrow.

Can’t find this on the BBC anywhere, usually this sort of stuff is top billing.

It is not a conspiracy - but it is right to have doubts and have the right answers.
Too many coincidences and his lawyers were still working on a possible way to get him out of prison (not ruled out yet).
I spouse the lieutenant Columbus thinking in principle - that too many coincidences are suspicious, and you should question all these coincidence before ruling out the worst case scenario