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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:03 am 
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I have not seen this discussed but before the final we saw the English changing room and Eddie shakes hands with players. However he skips Sinckler who appears to be vomiting.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:04 am 
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Might just've been nerves. On Living With the Lions you can hear Neil Jenkins ralphing before every match in the changing rooms.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:09 am 
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Might just've been nerves. On Living With the Lions you can hear Neil Jenkins ralphing before every match in the changing rooms.

Normal enough, you'd imagine. RTE did a documentary where they followed Ireland around for the 2007 6N. In the changing room footage before some of the games you can hear someone vomiting loudly in the background.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:11 am 
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Wilkinson threw up before almost every game, didn't he?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:14 am 
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Jason Robinson said before his final game for the BaaBaas one of the players was vomming, which made him spew, so it seems to be a pretty common thing.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:15 am 
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Brazil wrote:
Might just've been nerves. On Living With the Lions you can hear Neil Jenkins ralphing before every match in the changing rooms.


I always wondered who that was.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:19 am 
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England nerves were ragged,

Farrell @ the toss.

https://www.facebook.com/SuperSportRugb ... 361357080/


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:22 am 
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Suzi-san the Japanese Saffa chef dished him a dodgy cut of Fubu - he could've doid!


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:23 am 
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Sinckler is a known spewer before matches.

It doesn't mean too much - just his way of getting the nerves out.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:24 am 
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England got off lightly, in '95 the whole AB changing room could be heard vomiting.



allegedly


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:27 am 
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Insane_Homer wrote:
England nerves were ragged,

Farrell @ the toss.

https://www.facebook.com/SuperSportRugb ... 361357080/

That clip contains some Irishesque level of bullshit :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:27 am 
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Insane_Homer wrote:
England nerves were ragged,

Farrell @ the toss.

https://www.facebook.com/SuperSportRugb ... 361357080/


That accent is horrific.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:29 am 
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Insane_Homer wrote:
England nerves were ragged,

Farrell @ the toss.

https://www.facebook.com/SuperSportRugb ... 361357080/


Edit: Reading far too much into the body language here BUT.

The more I reflect on the game the more I think the players utterly bottled it.

This is a good England team playing attractive rugby but there is a serious physiological flaw that kicks in when the pressure is on - we saw it vs Wales in Cardiff and we saw it in the second half vs Scotland in the Six Nations.

it takes nothing away from the Springboks to say this either.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:00 pm 
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Insane_Homer wrote:
England nerves were ragged,

Farrell @ the toss.

https://www.facebook.com/SuperSportRugb ... 361357080/


That is a great example of reading way too much into something based on the result. Do you think the video of the toss before the Eng/NZ semi-final looks much different?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:02 pm 
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We definitely bottled it but I don't think that coin toss is evidence of that


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:24 pm 
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Spewing up with nerves before a game is pretty common, there’s been at least one in all of the teams I’ve played in (and the biggest crowd I’ve ever played in front of was probably about 50, including the dogs!).


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:43 pm 
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He obviously knew something terrible was about to happen.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:46 pm 
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Ben Youngs looked very queasy on his way out


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:59 pm 
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Monk Zombie wrote:
Ben Youngs looked very queasy on his way out


Yeah he kept getting dizzy and throwing the ball in the wrong direction.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:30 pm 
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Jack Goodspew

https://twitter.com/AndrewGourdie/statu ... 9493606400


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:39 pm 
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Every rugby team I've ever played with has had a nervous pre-game porcelain polisher. One side had one who vommed from nerves and a second who stuck two finger down because he felt better playing on a totally empty stomach. Fine FB though, so you'd be happy to throw chips his way after the game.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:42 pm 
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We didnmt bottle it, we had to play a bang average prop for 78 minutes against a super scrummaging outfit who took us for 15 points. We stopped being favourites as soon as Sinckler went down


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:01 pm 
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He looked exactly the same before the semi.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:02 pm 
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Womack wrote:
He looked exactly the same before the semi.


... fat?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:05 pm 
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Crash_12 wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:
England nerves were ragged,

Farrell @ the toss.

https://www.facebook.com/SuperSportRugb ... 361357080/


That accent is horrific.


We must have had a f*cking brilliant coin toss for the ABs game. Hopefully they'll bring out the DVD in due course.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:23 pm 
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crash 669 wrote:
Brazil wrote:
Might just've been nerves. On Living With the Lions you can hear Neil Jenkins ralphing before every match in the changing rooms.


I always wondered who that was.


In his autobiography Jenkins says he did it before every single big game he played.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:05 pm 
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I used to do it. Was happy enough to see Neil Jenkins at it. Made me realise I was close to my test start


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:06 pm 
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Andrew Sheridan and Paul Doran-Jones were also notorious vommers.


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EverReady wrote:
I used to do it. Was happy enough to see Neil Jenkins at it. Made me realise I was close to my test start


Yeah, but Jenkins did it because of his nerves...you were sick due to the 10 foot intestinal worm living in your gut.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:19 pm 
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croyals wrote:
We didnmt bottle it, we had to play a bang average prop for 78 minutes against a super scrummaging outfit who took us for 15 points. We stopped being favourites as soon as Sinckler went down


That doesn't really explain the way we panicked from the start. Passes to no one, awful decision making, no discipline, no leadership, frenetic stuff...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:21 pm 
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JM2K6 wrote:
croyals wrote:
We didnmt bottle it, we had to play a bang average prop for 78 minutes against a super scrummaging outfit who took us for 15 points. We stopped being favourites as soon as Sinckler went down


That doesn't really explain the way we panicked from the start. Passes to no one, awful decision making, no discipline, no leadership, frenetic stuff...

Exactly.

Anyone who thinks England didn't have severe mental issues in that game clearly wasn't watching properly.


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JM2K6 wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:
England nerves were ragged,

Farrell @ the toss.

https://www.facebook.com/SuperSportRugb ... 361357080/


That is a great example of reading way too much into something based on the result. Do you think the video of the toss before the Eng/NZ semi-final looks much different?


:nod:

Hindsight experts abound.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:35 pm 
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JM2K6 wrote:
croyals wrote:
We didnmt bottle it, we had to play a bang average prop for 78 minutes against a super scrummaging outfit who took us for 15 points. We stopped being favourites as soon as Sinckler went down


That doesn't really explain the way we panicked from the start. Passes to no one, awful decision making, no discipline, no leadership, frenetic stuff...


And that was just the English posters ...


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He certainly felt unwell after .


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:50 pm 
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eugenius wrote:
He certainly felt unwell after .


Yep, he was spewing...


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JM2K6 wrote:
croyals wrote:
We didnmt bottle it, we had to play a bang average prop for 78 minutes against a super scrummaging outfit who took us for 15 points. We stopped being favourites as soon as Sinckler went down


That doesn't really explain the way we panicked from the start. Passes to no one, awful decision making, no discipline, no leadership, frenetic stuff...

Sure, but minus 15 points and I would suggest we’d have seen a very different game.


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croyals wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
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We didnmt bottle it, we had to play a bang average prop for 78 minutes against a super scrummaging outfit who took us for 15 points. We stopped being favourites as soon as Sinckler went down


That doesn't really explain the way we panicked from the start. Passes to no one, awful decision making, no discipline, no leadership, frenetic stuff...

Sure, but minus 15 points and I would suggest we’d have seen a very different game.


Bottling it is about the psychological aspect, which was clearly completely off.

No guarantee Sinckler wouldn't have conceded penalties or lost his rag, either.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:09 pm 
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I once vomited before my barbershop quartet performance.


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holbob wrote:
Monk Zombie wrote:
Ben Youngs looked very queasy on his way out


Yeah he kept getting dizzy and throwing the ball in the wrong direction.

:lol: :lol:


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