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Anonymous. wrote:
Chilli wrote:There are certain times when the death penalty should be considered.
Nah

Also remember innocent until proven guilty

Pfffft, Cleveland cops would have gunned down 19 of them resisisting arrest, whilst the caravan site spontaneously combusted. We are way too soft.
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globus wrote:
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Chilli wrote:There are certain times when the death penalty should be considered.
Nah

Also remember innocent until proven guilty
I'm a lifelong opponent of the death penalty. My dad knew Ludovic Kennedy very well.

David Yallop's book "To Encourage The Others" is a seminal work in my reading life. Craig and Bentley.
I don't think my dad knew anyone called Ludovic. At least he never told me he did.
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Lenny wrote:Yeeb, you were once mildly amusing but now you're just a tedious racist wanker. As for them being Irish or having Irish ethnicity, take a look at the guys name. Jeb Foster is about as far from an Irish Traveller name as you will get, so the probability is that he's far more English than a first generation Romanian import like you.
Why should I stop when bell ends like you have a go at Romanians ?
Or bell ends like you responding on an Internet forum ?

Be like FeckW and roll away tackler , this faux Irish indignation how dare someone have a pop at ireland gets tiresome. You pick up on names, well the Vincent and Brendan other examples of traveller scumbags are Irish names yep?
:lol: : :lol: :lol:

Hysterical much.

And I didn’t have any go at Romanians. Perhaps if I’d said Roma gyppo imports such as you, you might have had a point. Unless of course the mere mention of your ethnicity offends you.
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Ah I see. You whinge first, like a bitch, and then say I’m hysterical. That’s from the ‘thats You that is’ book of getting your dibs in, just because I’ve been poking fun of the Irish recently because of the blowing up children and general Craig.
I am far from offended from the Roma/Romanians reference , especially on a thread about murdering Irish travellers. I can see how the spelling could cause confusion :smug:
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backrow wrote:Ah I see. You whinge first, like a bitch, and then say I’m hysterical. That’s from the ‘thats You that is’ book of getting your dibs in, just because I’ve been poking fun of the Irish recently because of the blowing up children and general Craig.
I am far from offended from the Roma/Romanians reference , especially on a thread about murdering Irish travellers. I can see how the spelling could cause confusion :smug:
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Dear God...
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Anonymous. wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Bogbunny wrote:
Chilli wrote:There are certain times when the death penalty should be considered.
This is one of them... some feral people have no fear of the law or its consequences.

The ethnicity of the perps was withheld for a long time on the news reports. Cnuts.
It was pretty obvious it was travellers. There was a news report almost immediately about a traveller site being raided.

On the other had, the lesbian attackers still remain a mystery. Likewise the model train wreckers.
The people suspected of attacking the couple on the bus are minors
Total mystery


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... men-on-bus
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It's a Guardian report therefore clearly fake news
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EverReady wrote:Brexit has softened yeeb like a good women or new baby does
Or like a very concentrated bath of a strong acid :thumbup:
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Unless they have a confession or bodycam footage, I doubt the cops will get a conviction here. His mates wont dob him in, that's for sure.
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obelixtim wrote:Unless they have a confession or bodycam footage, I doubt the cops will get a conviction here. His mates wont dob him in, that's for sure.
Don't be so sure. In my extensive experience, travellers are quite self minded people and to be honest the "honour among thieves" bollocks is just that. All of them, to a man, when push comes to the shove will drop their mates into the shit. With Joint Enterprise placing them all in the noose, the cops had a fair bit of leverage to get the answers they wanted.
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BlackMac wrote:
obelixtim wrote:Unless they have a confession or bodycam footage, I doubt the cops will get a conviction here. His mates wont dob him in, that's for sure.
Don't be so sure. In my extensive experience, travellers are quite self minded people and to be honest the "honour among thieves" bollocks is just that. All of them, to a man, when push comes to the shove will drop their mates into the shit. With Joint Enterprise placing them all in the noose, the cops had a fair bit of leverage to get the answers they wanted.
Reminds me what a friend said who is a career criminal- “The only people who say they wouldn’t grass haven’t done much time”
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-53526636

Guilty of manslaughter only and all pissing themselves laughing as they leave court. Unlikely to serve more than 2 or 3 years each.

Hard to understand how dragging a human one and a half miles behind a car does not suggest an intent to kill.
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BlackMac wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-53526636

Guilty of manslaughter only and all pissing themselves laughing as they leave court. Unlikely to serve more than 2 or 3 years each.

Hard to understand how dragging a human one and a half miles behind a car does not suggest an intent to kill.
I hope the little cunts get shanked.
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Hopefully the Judge will take into account their lack of remorse and the fact that the jury had to be protected from attempts to intimidate them by other members of their ‘community’ and give the scumbags the sort of sentence they deserve.
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New guy wrote:
BlackMac wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-53526636

Guilty of manslaughter only and all pissing themselves laughing as they leave court. Unlikely to serve more than 2 or 3 years each.

Hard to understand how dragging a human one and a half miles behind a car does not suggest an intent to kill.
I hope the little cunts get shanked.
Feck me his widow held it together and was supremely dignified in her press release.
I had tears welling up and my wife was crying.
I have no issues if these scum are offed.
Sneering laughing murderouous bastards
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New guy wrote:
BlackMac wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-53526636

Guilty of manslaughter only and all pissing themselves laughing as they leave court. Unlikely to serve more than 2 or 3 years each.

Hard to understand how dragging a human one and a half miles behind a car does not suggest an intent to kill.
I hope the little cunts get shanked.
Or hip dislocations
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I have to confess being the cynical old plum that I am I rarely get riled by bad news stories but this verdict has genuinely angered me. Reading the fact that PC Harper was found by his colleagues with nothing but his socks on and pretty much skinned alive and unrecognisable after being dragged for a mile down a country lane has repulsed me. Watching these knackers smirk and play up to the cameras makes me wish an unpleasant ending in prison for them.

Utter utter c*nts
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danny_fitz wrote:I have to confess being the cynical old plum that I am I rarely get riled by bad news stories but this verdict has genuinely angered me. Reading the fact that PC Harper was found by his colleagues with nothing but his socks on and pretty much skinned alive and unrecognisable after being dragged for a mile down a country lane has repulsed me. Watching these knackers smirk and play up to the cameras makes me wish an unpleasant ending in prison for them.

Utter utter c*nts
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I genuinely don't knwo how a Jury can come to this conclusion. Though there is some questions about it:

Teen killers, possible jury tampering and fury at a verdict that has left Pc Harper's widow devastated
Proceedings against Pc Andrew Harper's three teenage killers were plagued by disruptions and interference from the start

issie Harper, the widow of Pc Andrew Harper, outside the Old Bailey in London CREDIT: Aaron Chown/PA Wire
The trial of three teenagers, now convicted of the manslaughter of Pc Andrew Harper who was dragged for a mile by a car, was dogged with trouble from the outset.

The first trial, which started in March, collapsed in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic and three jurors were forced into self-isolation.

Before that proceedings had been temporarily halted after police received intelligence that jurors were being intimidated.

When the second trial began afresh, special measures had to be put in place to protect the jury from any possible threat of tampering.

A visit to the scene of the grisly crime – a jury decided this was not murder but manslaughter prompting furious reaction – was shrouded in the tightest security and even a police drone was sent skywards to watch over proceedings.


Then on Friday, a female juror was caught smiling and mouthing words to the three teenage defendants – Henry Long, 19 and Albert Bowers and Jessie Cole, both 18 – who had sat through the trial smirking and laughing and not seeming to care about the destroyed lives they had left in their wake. When Long was charged he said he 'didn't give a f***.'

All of it will raise concern that the jury had indeed been got at.

Pc Harper’s widow, in a deeply moving and distressing statement made outside court, could not conceal her disgust at Friday’s verdicts.

“I am, for the second time in the space of one year, utterly shocked and appalled,” said Lissie Harper.

"The decisions made in these courts, by strangers, will never change the outcome that had already come to us.”

The behaviour of the female juror in the second trial, who cannot be identified, caused alarm.

The woman was spotted by a security guard behaving in an 'overtly friendly manner' towards the teenagers, all from the travelling community in Berkshire.

A prison officer sitting in the dock with the defendant, explained Mr Justice Edis, had “seen a juror smiling at the dock and therefore the defendants more than once during the day. However, as she left she walked by the defendants and said: 'Bye boys'."

The judge said the "horrific circumstances" of Pc Harper's death meant "it is therefore a little surprising to see a juror is positively going out of their way to behave in what some might describe as an overtly friendly manner.

"She must have been compelled by some quite strong motivation to behave as she did in this court. It is overt and covert at the same time. It is remarkable behaviour."

When the jury returned without the dismissed juror, the judge explained he "had to spend some time this morning investigating the situation" before ordering them not to speculate on why she was absent.

It is unclear how the three killers could have charmed the mystery juror. Long, the driver of the car, was – even though only 18 at the time of the killing – already a career criminal with four convictions that included battery and shoplifting.

Unable to read or write and taken out of school at the age of 12 by his father after he got into trouble with teachers, he was the gang’s ringleader.

The trio lived in social housing but all had links to West Berkshire’s traveller community and in particular the Four Houses Corner travellers’ site in Ufton Nervet.

They specialised in stealing quad-bikes and farm machinery. Long carried with him tools for breaking into sheds, and snapping metal chains and padlocks.

On the day of Pc Harper's death, Long and the others had spent the day scouting out the local area for vehicles to steal, disguising his Seat Toledo by disabling the rear lights, covering the number plates with tape and removing any logos.

On August 15 last year, the gang had stolen a quad bike and Pc Harper, just 28, in trying to arrest them had got caught in a tow rope trailing from the car.


Long seemingly convinced jurors that, had he known the officer was trailing behind him, he would have stopped and tried to save the officer.

However, while sitting in the dock, Long laughed with Bowers and Cole as details of the horrific death were read out. Bowers, a friend of Long’s since childhood, had an interest in the blood sport hare coursing and photographs from his Facebook account show dead hares killed by his hound.

Bowers, with convictions for sexual assault, battery and a racially aggravated public order offence, had never got as far as secondary school.

At one stage in the trial he fell asleep when the prosecution were showing footage of the officer being dragged to his death.

Cole, unlike the other two had no previous convictions, but like them had left school unable to read and write. He attended a college for boys with learning difficulties and by the time he dropped out he could just about spell his own name.

The first trial at the Old Bailey – the one begun before the coronavirus lockdown with a packed public gallery – had also been problematic from the beginning.

No sooner had it started, Mr Justice Edis brought it to a halt over an alleged potential plot to intimidate jurors. An unidentified person in the public gallery overlooking the courtroom was seen pointing at jurors.


Without divulging details, the judge said police had received information "that an attempt is being considered by associates of the defendants to intimidate the jury".

The first jury was then provided with a private room, and anyone entering the public gallery was asked to provide proof of their identity. A third measure for their protection was kept secret.

On another occasion, the trial was again halted after a pregnant woman in the public gallery began a coughing fit that caused alarm that she was spreading coronavirus. It turned out she was a heavy smoker.

Then on the day the nation went into lockdown, the original jury was discharged.

The new trial in the pandemic era began in June with social distancing in place and security further stepped up. Jurors were referred to by number rather than their name when sworn in and the public shunted off to an annexe to watch the proceedings by video link.

Officers lined the narrow country roads when the jury viewed the spot where Pc Harper was killed and a police drone buzzed overhead. His death on a country lane was horrific and journalists were asked not to reveal too much detail to avoid upset. His widow left the court in tears.

In contrast to his killers, Pc Harper was a model officer. When he and his colleague Andrew Shaw received a report of a burglary last August, they were almost four and a half hours beyond the end of their shift.

PC Harper, or Harps, as he was known to all his friends and workmates, had only been married for four weeks and could have been forgiven for wanting to get home to his new wife, Lissie.

But in a display of trademark professionalism he did not think twice before answering the call. It was a decision that would cost him his life.
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Bimboc69 wrote:
danny_fitz wrote:I have to confess being the cynical old plum that I am I rarely get riled by bad news stories but this verdict has genuinely angered me. Reading the fact that PC Harper was found by his colleagues with nothing but his socks on and pretty much skinned alive and unrecognisable after being dragged for a mile down a country lane has repulsed me. Watching these knackers smirk and play up to the cameras makes me wish an unpleasant ending in prison for them.

Utter utter c*nts
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X Gazillions It just pisses your average Joe public off and makes them feel the law doesn’t protect them if it won’t even look after Police Officers
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Openside wrote:
Bimboc69 wrote:
danny_fitz wrote:I have to confess being the cynical old plum that I am I rarely get riled by bad news stories but this verdict has genuinely angered me. Reading the fact that PC Harper was found by his colleagues with nothing but his socks on and pretty much skinned alive and unrecognisable after being dragged for a mile down a country lane has repulsed me. Watching these knackers smirk and play up to the cameras makes me wish an unpleasant ending in prison for them.

Utter utter c*nts
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X Gazillions It just pisses your average Joe public off and makes them feel the law doesn’t protect them if it won’t even look after Police Officers
Also this - the judge can still impose life sentence and I hope to f@ck he does
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Southernscot wrote:
Openside wrote:
Bimboc69 wrote:
danny_fitz wrote:I have to confess being the cynical old plum that I am I rarely get riled by bad news stories but this verdict has genuinely angered me. Reading the fact that PC Harper was found by his colleagues with nothing but his socks on and pretty much skinned alive and unrecognisable after being dragged for a mile down a country lane has repulsed me. Watching these knackers smirk and play up to the cameras makes me wish an unpleasant ending in prison for them.

Utter utter c*nts
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X Gazillions It just pisses your average Joe public off and makes them feel the law doesn’t protect them if it won’t even look after Police Officers
Also this - the judge can still impose life sentence and I hope to f@ck he does
I hope the scum get damaged in prison.
Manslaughter ffs :x
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What's sad is there has been barely a raised eyebrow from the media or any significant politician. They were more outraged about a drunk pissing next to a plaque.
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BlackMac wrote:What's sad is there has been barely a raised eyebrow from the media or any significant politician. They were more outraged about a drunk pissing next to a plaque.
And people seem to come down against those who point out the media has an agenda and biases in this weird cultural war.
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Weirdo obsessive.
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eldanielfire wrote:
BlackMac wrote:What's sad is there has been barely a raised eyebrow from the media or any significant politician. They were more outraged about a drunk pissing next to a plaque.
And people seem to come down against those who point out the media has an agenda and biases in this weird cultural war.
I blame The Guardian.
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eldanielfire wrote:
BlackMac wrote:What's sad is there has been barely a raised eyebrow from the media or any significant politician. They were more outraged about a drunk pissing next to a plaque.
And people seem to come down against those who point out the media has an agenda and biases in this weird cultural war.
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Bimboc69 wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
BlackMac wrote:What's sad is there has been barely a raised eyebrow from the media or any significant politician. They were more outraged about a drunk pissing next to a plaque.
And people seem to come down against those who point out the media has an agenda and biases in this weird cultural war.
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So you disagree with BlackMac that the media and politicians aren't raising the profile of this case like they have with other news stories?
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16 years for the driver, 13 for the passengers - high end of the scale for manslaughter still too light

Pikeys kicking off in the court
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I think 16 years sounds reasonable. They should be made to serve it all though, none of this out in 8 for good behaviour shite.
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Bet they're not laughing anymore the horrible cůnts
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Southernscot wrote:16 years for the driver, 13 for the passengers - high end of the scale for manslaughter still too light

Pikeys kicking off in the court
The driver also got 25% off for pleading guilty, so his initial sentence would have been 21 years.
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New guy wrote:Bet they're not laughing anymore the horrible cůnts

Hear hear.
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New guy wrote:I think 16 years sounds reasonable. They should be made to serve it all though, none of this out in 8 for good behaviour shite.
Agreed. But that is what will happen unless the press highlight it in 8 years. I still can't believe it's not classified as murder however.
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eldanielfire wrote:
New guy wrote:I think 16 years sounds reasonable. They should be made to serve it all though, none of this out in 8 for good behaviour shite.
Agreed. But that is what will happen unless the press highlight it in 8 years. I still can't believe it's not classified as murder however.
In his sentencing remarks the Judge said

"You killed a talented, brave young police officer who was going above and beyond his duty in order to provide a public service and you did so because you deliberately decided to expose any police officer who got in your way to death"

Strikes me that that is as close as he can get to saying the Jury got it wrong, and I should be sentencing you for murder.

Oh, and they will only be eligible for parole after serving 2/3 of their sentence, so the driver will have to serve 11 years, and the other 2 scumbags, 9.
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Lobby wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
New guy wrote:I think 16 years sounds reasonable. They should be made to serve it all though, none of this out in 8 for good behaviour shite.
Agreed. But that is what will happen unless the press highlight it in 8 years. I still can't believe it's not classified as murder however.
In his sentencing remarks the Judge said

"You killed a talented, brave young police officer who was going above and beyond his duty in order to provide a public service and you did so because you deliberately decided to expose any police officer who got in your way to death"

Strikes me that that is as close as he can get to saying the Jury got it wrong, and I should be sentencing you for murder.

Oh, and they will only be eligible for parole after serving 2/3 of their sentence, so the driver will have to serve 11 years, and the other 2 scumbags, 9.
At which point they'll continue subjecting the population to their complete and utter disdain for society and the law. They're going to be in and out of prison for the rest of their lives unless they do something that will get them charged with murder. These three are particularly egregious examples, but I've never come across a Traveller who isn't a cunt or being raised to be one.
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He could have imposed a life sentence with minimum term, that way the bastards would have been in and out of jail every time they committed a minor offence for the rest of their lives. Scum of the earth.
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sockwithaticket wrote:
Lobby wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
New guy wrote:I think 16 years sounds reasonable. They should be made to serve it all though, none of this out in 8 for good behaviour shite.
Agreed. But that is what will happen unless the press highlight it in 8 years. I still can't believe it's not classified as murder however.
In his sentencing remarks the Judge said

"You killed a talented, brave young police officer who was going above and beyond his duty in order to provide a public service and you did so because you deliberately decided to expose any police officer who got in your way to death"

Strikes me that that is as close as he can get to saying the Jury got it wrong, and I should be sentencing you for murder.

Oh, and they will only be eligible for parole after serving 2/3 of their sentence, so the driver will have to serve 11 years, and the other 2 scumbags, 9.
At which point they'll continue subjecting the population to their complete and utter disdain for society and the law. They're going to be in and out of prison for the rest of their lives unless they do something that will get them charged with murder. These three are particularly egregious examples, but I've never come across a Traveller who isn't a cunt or being raised to be one.
So much this. Horrible feral vermin.
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BlackMac wrote:He could have imposed a life sentence with minimum term, that way the bastards would have been in and out of jail every time they committed a minor offence for the rest of their lives. Scum of the earth.
Agreed, although I have seen it suggested that a life sentence would be more likely to be appealed, with the risk that they would end up with significantly reduced sentences.

It’s a relatively big sentence for manslaughter, but still nothing like enough for what these scum did.
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