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iarmhiman wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:07 pm I don't care about the trade deal.

I care about the NI protocol. It seems good progress was made today
Let's hope Boris didn't get his knees too dirty
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ovalball wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:01 pm The ball remains in the EU's court.
European Court of Justice?
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bimboman wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:13 pm The EU are discovering Gove isn’t Theresa May.


He’s a proper duplicitous little shit.
Unfortunately he's totally indiscriminate in his duplicitousness. I have a feeling it may just be fuckwittery.
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It looks like we have the starting point for common ground.


Everyone thinks the same about Gove.

Onwards.
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message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:45 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:13 pm The EU are discovering Gove isn’t Theresa May.


He’s a proper duplicitous little shit.
Unfortunately he's totally indiscriminate in his duplicitousness. I have a feeling it may just be fuckwittery.


It was praise from me.
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bimboman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:48 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:45 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:13 pm The EU are discovering Gove isn’t Theresa May.


He’s a proper duplicitous little shit.
Unfortunately he's totally indiscriminate in his duplicitousness. I have a feeling it may just be fuckwittery.


It was praise from me.
:lol:
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P in VG wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:34 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:48 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:45 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:13 pm The EU are discovering Gove isn’t Theresa May.


He’s a proper duplicitous little shit.
Unfortunately he's totally indiscriminate in his duplicitousness. I have a feeling it may just be fuckwittery.


It was praise from me.
:lol:
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The German carmakers and French winegrowers are leaving things a tad late...
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BokJock wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:22 pm The German carmakers and French winegrowers are leaving things a tad late...
They'll just demand compensation from the EU. No issue.
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message #2527204 wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:35 pm
BokJock wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:22 pm The German carmakers and French winegrowers are leaving things a tad late...
They'll just demand compensation from the EU. No issue.
That's the great thing about being in a bloc like the EU.
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iarmhiman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:02 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:35 pm
BokJock wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:22 pm The German carmakers and French winegrowers are leaving things a tad late...
They'll just demand compensation from the EU. No issue.
That's the great thing about being in a bloc like the EU.


And why we cannot allow EU overreach into UK state aid.
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bimboman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:48 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:45 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:13 pm The EU are discovering Gove isn’t Theresa May.


He’s a proper duplicitous little shit.
Unfortunately he's totally indiscriminate in his duplicitousness. I have a feeling it may just be fuckwittery.


It was praise from me.
A kindred soul.
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sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:51 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:48 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:45 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:13 pm The EU are discovering Gove isn’t Theresa May.


He’s a proper duplicitous little shit.
Unfortunately he's totally indiscriminate in his duplicitousness. I have a feeling it may just be fuckwittery.


It was praise from me.
A kindred soul.


I’d only dream of being that good.
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bimboman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:45 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:02 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:35 pm
BokJock wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:22 pm The German carmakers and French winegrowers are leaving things a tad late...
They'll just demand compensation from the EU. No issue.
That's the great thing about being in a bloc like the EU.


And why we cannot allow EU overreach into UK state aid.
Read the terms and conditions next time before forcing them through both houses eh?
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iarmhiman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:25 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:45 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:02 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:35 pm
BokJock wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:22 pm The German carmakers and French winegrowers are leaving things a tad late...
They'll just demand compensation from the EU. No issue.
That's the great thing about being in a bloc like the EU.


And why we cannot allow EU overreach into UK state aid.
Read the terms and conditions next time before forcing them through both houses eh?


Nah, just act like a sovereign nation. (With guns).
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bimboman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:27 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:25 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:45 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:02 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:35 pm

They'll just demand compensation from the EU. No issue.
That's the great thing about being in a bloc like the EU.


And why we cannot allow EU overreach into UK state aid.
Read the terms and conditions next time before forcing them through both houses eh?


Nah, just act like a sovereign nation. (With guns).
I'm sure you'll benefit massively
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iarmhiman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:29 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:27 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:25 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:45 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:02 pm

That's the great thing about being in a bloc like the EU.


And why we cannot allow EU overreach into UK state aid.
Read the terms and conditions next time before forcing them through both houses eh?


Nah, just act like a sovereign nation. (With guns).
I'm sure you'll benefit massively


We will be better off than taking EU rule whilst not a member that’s for sure.
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I see that the Tory Party, I repeat the TORY PARTY, has threatened the CofE with disestablishment over the criticism of the five Anglican primates of the UK and Ireland of the IMB and the threat to the NIP. What a time to be alive.
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And Edwin Poots justified that his comments on "dirty taigs" were not sectarian as the leaders of SF do not go to mass. :lol:

Who'd have thunk it, a DUP minister complaining that SF leaders don't go to the RC mass ! :lol:
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Hellraiser wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:32 pm I see that the Tory Party, I repeat the TORY PARTY, has threatened the CofE with disestablishment over the criticism of the five Anglican primates of the UK and Ireland of the IMB and the threat to the NIP. What a time to be alive.
How many wives until Boris is Henry VIII?
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camroc1 wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:39 pm And Edwin Poots justified that his comments on "dirty taigs" were not sectarian as the leaders of SF do not go to mass. :lol:

Who'd have thunk it, a DUP minister complaining that SF leaders don't go to the RC mass ! :lol:
Was that a complaint or an observation
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bimboman wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:48 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:45 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:13 pm The EU are discovering Gove isn’t Theresa May.


He’s a proper duplicitous little shit.
Unfortunately he's totally indiscriminate in his duplicitousness. I have a feeling it may just be fuckwittery.


It was praise from me.
:lol: Nice one!
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The Telegraph
Brexit trade deal is within reach, says Michel Barnier

A Brexit trade deal is “within reach”, Michel Barnier said before offering to meet all of the UK’s conditions to reboot negotiations with Brussels.

The chief negotiator said that both the UK and EU would have to compromise to get the agreement done in a conciliatory speech to the European Parliament in the Belgian capital.

Mr Barnier said, “We want a deal that will be mutually beneficial to both parties in respect of the autonomy and sovereignty of both sides. A deal reflecting a balanced compromise."

He added, “Despite the difficulties we've faced an agreement is within reach. If both sides are willing to work constructively, if both sides are willing to compromise.”

The speech was intended to satisfy a British demand that Brussels makes clear it will compromise, as well as the UK, to get a deal before negotiations resume.

UK Ministers welcomed Mr Barnier’s recognition of UK sovereignty, as the pound jumped to a one week high against the US dollar.

Mr Barnier also repeated his promise that the EU would negotiate “day and night” on all subjects, and on the basis of common legal texts, which were the UK’s other conditions before returning to the negotiating table.

The EU has an end of October deadline for the deal to be agreed. That will give time for the agreement to be ratified in the 10 weeks before the end of the year and the Brexit transition period and so avoid no deal.

Mr Barnier said, “We will seek the necessary compromises on both sides. In order to do our utmost to reach an agreement, we will do so right up until the last day that it's possible to do so, our doors will always remain open right up until the very end.”

Boris Johnson declared he was ready to “embrace” no deal on Friday, and that trade talks were over unless there was a “fundamental change” of approach from the EU. It was not immediately clear if the speech was enough for Britain to return to trade negotiations.

Lord Frost, Britain's chief negotiator, is expected to speak to Mr Barnier again by phone today - the third day running they will have spoken - with one Whitehall source saying they were "cautiously optimistic" that negotiations could be back on.

Ministers are currently studying the text of Michel Barnier's speech.The British optimism comes from Mr Barnier's public admission that there needs to be "compromise on both sides".

It is the crucial concession Number 10 has been looking for since EU leaders called on the UK to “move” on the major sticking points of fishing, the level playing field guarantees and the deal’s enforcement.

“It sounds incredibly positive that he’s talking about the sovereignty of the United Kingdom,” UK Business Minister Nadhim Zahawi told Bloomberg television.

The Telegraph exclusively reported on Tuesday that Mr Barnier could be in London for negotiations as early as Thursday. A Brussels source added that Mr Barnier could come on Thursday but "it is not confirmed".

One senior UK Government source said yesterday ministers were "hoping to hear more from the EU" before the end of this week. A second source said Mr Barnier could be in London on Thursday.

Ministers have some reservations about Mr Barnier’s tough language over the level playing field guarantees. He said it "remains a fundamental concern".

But Mr Barnier also praised British negotiators for exploring ways to soothe EU anxieties over fair competition.

“The past few weeks we've seen the UK are willing to look at this demand and to move forward and shift. They're willing to do things in a different way to what exists in current trade deals among other countries,” he said.

Mr Barnier also warned the EU “would remain firm and determined when it comes to defending the principles and the interests of each of the EU Member States and the European Union itself.”

We take a look at a timeline of the negotiations and some of Brexit’s most important developments.

He said that there would not be a trade deal unless a compromise was reached on fishing rights.

“There will not be a trade deal without a fair solution for fishermen on both sides and we will insist on this right up until the very end,” he said.

He added, “There needs to be mutual access to waters, and there needs to be a fair distribution of quotas for fishermen on both sides.”

Charles Michel, the European Council president, said, “Brexit was not our decision. And it was not our fishermen's decision. Stopping access to UK waters would cause extraordinary damage to our fishing fleets.”

“Yes, we want to keep access to UK waters for fishermen. Exactly like the UK wants to have access to our huge and diversified markets for companies.”

“The UK has a big decision to make,” Mr Michel said, “We want to deal, which is fair and balanced, but we’re also ready in case of no deal.”
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So, no change then?
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Lots of money being spent on advertising for preparing for a no deal. Local radio full of it, with even the DJs being paid to advertise now.
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message #2527204 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:24 pm So, no change then?
It's all optics Message. Both sides getting ready to blame the other for no deal.

The EU needs to make it look like the door is already open, especially to remain supporters in the UK.

Boris is kind of screwed when it comes to optics. When he tries to blame the EU , very few will believe him. Add covid to the mix and his support is going to drop.
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:40 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:24 pm So, no change then?
It's all optics Message. Both sides getting ready to blame the other for no deal.

The EU needs to make it look like the door is already open, especially to remain supporters in the UK.

Boris is kind of screwed when it comes to optics. When he tries to blame the EU , very few will believe him. Add covid to the mix and his support is going to drop.
That's why he is concentrating on Fishing as it is one area where the EU's position is unreasonable ( at least to all those who don't follow the remainer doctrine of EU infallibility)
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:40 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:24 pm So, no change then?
It's all optics Message. Both sides getting ready to blame the other for no deal.

The EU needs to make it look like the door is already open, especially to remain supporters in the UK.

Boris is kind of screwed when it comes to optics. When he tries to blame the EU , very few will believe him. Add covid to the mix and his support is going to drop.
I'm no fan of Bumbling Boris and I think Brext is daft - but you're wrong. Even Remainers are very skeptical about the EU's negotiating stance and attempts to bully the UK. Most of us Remainers always felt a deal was unlikely.
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ovalball wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:04 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:40 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:24 pm So, no change then?
It's all optics Message. Both sides getting ready to blame the other for no deal.

The EU needs to make it look like the door is already open, especially to remain supporters in the UK.

Boris is kind of screwed when it comes to optics. When he tries to blame the EU , very few will believe him. Add covid to the mix and his support is going to drop.
I'm no fan of Bumbling Boris and I think Brext is daft - but you're wrong. Even Remainers are very skeptical about the EU's negotiating stance and attempts to bully the UK. Most of us Remainers always felt a deal was unlikely.
Promise everything.

Deliver nothing.

Blame everyone/anyone else.

This is the current UK govt's modus operandi.

Were it just the EU they "blame" then maybe your statement would be true, but due to the pandemic the list is growing daily...

"Do gooders", lawyers, care home bosses, NHS management and public health officials, scientific advisers, the obese, the labour party, the SNP, the civil service, the young and in particular students, logistics workers, businesses for not adapting, the general public/covidiots etc etc...
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clementinfrance wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:26 pm
ovalball wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:04 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:40 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:24 pm So, no change then?
It's all optics Message. Both sides getting ready to blame the other for no deal.

The EU needs to make it look like the door is already open, especially to remain supporters in the UK.

Boris is kind of screwed when it comes to optics. When he tries to blame the EU , very few will believe him. Add covid to the mix and his support is going to drop.
I'm no fan of Bumbling Boris and I think Brext is daft - but you're wrong. Even Remainers are very skeptical about the EU's negotiating stance and attempts to bully the UK. Most of us Remainers always felt a deal was unlikely.
Promise everything.

Deliver nothing.

Blame everyone/anyone else.

This is the current UK govt's modus operandi.

Were it just the EU they "blame" then maybe your statement would be true, but due to the pandemic the list is growing daily...

"Do gooders", lawyers, care home bosses, NHS management and public health officials, scientific advisers, the obese, the labour party, the SNP, the civil service, the young and in particular students, logistics workers, businesses for not adapting, the general public/covidiots etc etc...
Oh, I agree - they're shambolic. But it isn't difficult to pin the blame on EU intransigence - and it plays to people's distrust of the likes of Barnier and Macron et al. And it won't play any worse with Boris's core support.
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The EU not being able to do a deal as predicted. The political imperative.
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The EU don't have to do a deal; it is, after all the UK that is leaving.

They may well like to do a deal, but any such deal will primarily be on the EU's terms.

And this has been the case since Mrs. May started the procedure to leave.
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The EU don;t want to do a deal and never have. They see it as an opportunity.
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The new hardline take it or leave it UK government negotiating strategy applies internally too now.

Considering his own rise to power it's odd Bojo should give a politically ambitious mayor a platform to fight the government on but he's on a roll now.

Manchester is being put in it's place while simultaneously arguing the EU is belligerent taking the same approach.

We're in the realms of 4D chess now. :)
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message #2527204 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:03 pm The EU don;t want to do a deal and never have. They see it as an opportunity.
Then why the fúck have they spent the last three and a half years trying to negotiate with the UK, including giving the UK three time extensions, and a years transition period ?

This has eaten up a lot of EU time that could have been better spent elsewhere.
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Government said they'd speak with local leadersand were true to their promise.. Burnham took it to the media,
Interesting today's yougov poll where Tories are convinced Burnham was playing party politics and Labour voters convinced he was trying g to do his best for Manchester.
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message #2527204 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:37 pm Government said they'd speak with local leadersand were true to their promise.. Burnham took it to the media,
Interesting today's yougov poll where Tories are convinced Burnham was playing party politics and Labour voters convinced he was trying g to do his best for Manchester.
What's this to do with Brexit?
Oh and have look at what Jenrick was tweeting and saying for the past 2 days. I think you'll find that it was draw on who was playing politics
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