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shereblue wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:58 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:17 pm

YOYO wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:20 pm bimbo, you mentioned yesterday that you voted remain. Very surprising to hear that but I guess that was 4 years ago. A few questions for you.

Q1. What was your motivation for voting remain?

Q2. If there was a 2nd referendum would you still vote remain?

Q3. It appears to me from your posting views on here that you have changed your tune and are now an arch Brexiter. Are you ok with being described as a Brexiter?

I’ve been immensely consistent, I was a remain voter who wanted to avoid the kuffufle (which we can’t deny it’s been).

Once the vote occured , I was an am a democrat , therefore I strongly believe brexit should occur. If Parliament had got together around a v soft EFTA departure then that’d have been ok, being absolute c unts and trying to reverse the decision though was plainly WRONG, and the damage to democracy if they’d been allowed to get away with it would have been far greater than any short term trade problems.

My views on the EU (their treatment of our representatives over the last 4 years a disgrace) , has changed, the mask really slipped and and what the collective can f uck off. It needs to either fully integrate or stop trying to act as a state with none of the actual responsibilities of a state,

There’s been a lot of negatives, the absolute shell of a state the UK has become, and the evil of Parliament exposed how shit this country is even before covid.

The nationalism demonstrated by the Irish has come as one of the bigger surprises to me, not something I’d ever recognised visiting but the interference and smugness at being important of Coveney and others we have been presented with who have done nothing but make everything worse is something I actually hope isn’t forgiven for generations to come.


The vote now would be remain out or rejoin. We have left the EU.

Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:10 am Maybe Bimbo would be kind enough to explain exactly how Parliament would have got together over a soft EFTA exit.

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:12 am

Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:10 am Maybe Bimbo would be kind enough to explain exactly how Parliament would have got together over a soft EFTA exit.

PM May, shall we go for EFTA ?


Arranges this as part of withdrawal agreement.


Puts a vote before parliament......

This isn’t difficult.

terryfinch wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:26 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:12 am

Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:10 am Maybe Bimbo would be kind enough to explain exactly how Parliament would have got together over a soft EFTA exit.

PM May, shall we go for EFTA ?


Arranges this as part of withdrawal agreement.


Puts a vote before parliament......

This isn’t difficult.

However, if you remember back then, there was no majority in Parliament for anything. They tried putting every possible shape of deal to advisory votes to see if a majority could be found and got nowhere. May just didn't have the numbers to drive something through and Corbyn was worse than useless and didn't stand for anything you could actually pin down.

EverReady wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:44 am Deal 98% done according to Irish FM. Prepare to be gaped England's

EverReady wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:44 am Deal 98% done according to Irish FM. Prepare to be gaped England's

terryfinch wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:55 am

EverReady wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:44 am Deal 98% done according to Irish FM. Prepare to be gaped England's

It's been 98% done for weeks. Looked like agreement being reached on Wednesday and then Macron panicked and moved the goal posts. Macron is terrified of France's own Frexit movement if UK seen to be happy with the deal.

EverReady wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:44 am Deal 98% done according to Irish FM. Prepare to be gaped England's

terryfinch wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:39 am Hard to argue with this critique of EU leadership in the normally supportive Guardian...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/bu ... d=msedgntp

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:58 am

And yet the EU had deals across the globe that are far less onerous to any country than the one it's trying to impose on the UK.

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:00 pm

terryfinch wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:55 am

EverReady wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:44 am Deal 98% done according to Irish FM. Prepare to be gaped England's

It's been 98% done for weeks. Looked like agreement being reached on Wednesday and then Macron panicked and moved the goal posts. Macron is terrified of France's own Frexit movement if UK seen to be happy with the deal.

He has to appear tough. But it's pretty clear where the blockages originate.

Leinster in London wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:10 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:58 am

And yet the EU had deals across the globe that are far less onerous to any country than the one it's trying to impose on the UK.

The difference is that in the the other deals the two negotiating partners are working with good faith to bring each others systems closer together.
This is the first deal on how to diverge, with the good faith already thrown out by the IMB.

You and your ilk can keep bleating the same old turgid shit, but until you can fully accept the implications of divergence, and the multiple strands of your individual promises the deal will never look like what was previously given to other countries.
ie promising state support to Japanese car manufacturers, and expecting tarriff free trade on cars, or promising exclusive use of British waters to whomsoever the British government decides, then allowing the fish caught to be sold tarriff free to the single market.

This deal is about divergence, not convergence.

The difference is that in the the other deals the two negotiating partners are working with good faith to bring each others systems closer together.
This is the first deal on how to diverge, with the good faith already thrown out by the IMB.

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:16 pm

Leinster in London wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:10 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:58 am

And yet the EU had deals across the globe that are far less onerous to any country than the one it's trying to impose on the UK.

The difference is that in the the other deals the two negotiating partners are working with good faith to bring each others systems closer together.
This is the first deal on how to diverge, with the good faith already thrown out by the IMB.

You and your ilk can keep bleating the same old turgid shit, but until you can fully accept the implications of divergence, and the multiple strands of your individual promises the deal will never look like what was previously given to other countries.
ie promising state support to Japanese car manufacturers, and expecting tarriff free trade on cars, or promising exclusive use of British waters to whomsoever the British government decides, then allowing the fish caught to be sold tarriff free to the single market.

This deal is about divergence, not convergence.

Yet Vietnam can export all of the fish it wants to the EU single market. Canada too, I believe.

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:34 pm

The difference is that in the the other deals the two negotiating partners are working with good faith to bring each others systems closer together.
This is the first deal on how to diverge, with the good faith already thrown out by the IMB.

Incorrect, the good faith departed when the EU negotiators threatened the internal food market of the UK and NI.

Leinster in London wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:46 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:34 pm

The difference is that in the the other deals the two negotiating partners are working with good faith to bring each others systems closer together.
This is the first deal on how to diverge, with the good faith already thrown out by the IMB.

Incorrect, the good faith departed when the EU negotiators threatened the internal food market of the UK and NI.

Well good faith is gone, and it aint coming back.

Leinster in London wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:46 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:34 pm

The difference is that in the the other deals the two negotiating partners are working with good faith to bring each others systems closer together.
This is the first deal on how to diverge, with the good faith already thrown out by the IMB.

Incorrect, the good faith departed when the EU negotiators threatened the internal food market of the UK and NI.

Well good faith is gone, and it aint coming back.

La soule wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:50 pm

Leinster in London wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:46 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:34 pm

The difference is that in the the other deals the two negotiating partners are working with good faith to bring each others systems closer together.
This is the first deal on how to diverge, with the good faith already thrown out by the IMB.

Incorrect, the good faith departed when the EU negotiators threatened the internal food market of the UK and NI.

Well good faith is gone, and it aint coming back.

Indeed, it went out of the window when one of the sides decided to unilaterally threaten to break an international treaty through an act of parliament.

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:00 pm

La soule wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:50 pm

Leinster in London wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:46 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:34 pm

The difference is that in the the other deals the two negotiating partners are working with good faith to bring each others systems closer together.
This is the first deal on how to diverge, with the good faith already thrown out by the IMB.

Incorrect, the good faith departed when the EU negotiators threatened the internal food market of the UK and NI.

Well good faith is gone, and it aint coming back.

Indeed, it went out of the window when one of the sides decided to unilaterally threaten to break an international treaty through an act of parliament.

Which only occurs if the internal food market of the UK is closed by the EU.

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:19 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:00 pm

La soule wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:50 pm

Leinster in London wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:46 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:34 pm


Incorrect, the good faith departed when the EU negotiators threatened the internal food market of the UK and NI.

Well good faith is gone, and it aint coming back.

Indeed, it went out of the window when one of the sides decided to unilaterally threaten to break an international treaty through an act of parliament.

Which only occurs if the internal food market of the UK is closed by the EU.

It won't be closed. Goods just need to be checked that they reach EU standards in case they are sent south. That was the international agreement

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:00 pm

La soule wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:50 pm

Leinster in London wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:46 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:34 pm

The difference is that in the the other deals the two negotiating partners are working with good faith to bring each others systems closer together.
This is the first deal on how to diverge, with the good faith already thrown out by the IMB.

Incorrect, the good faith departed when the EU negotiators threatened the internal food market of the UK and NI.

Well good faith is gone, and it aint coming back.

Indeed, it went out of the window when one of the sides decided to unilaterally threaten to break an international treaty through an act of parliament.

Which only occurs if the internal food market of the UK is closed by the EU.

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:27 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:19 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:00 pm

La soule wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:50 pm

Leinster in London wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:46 pm

Well good faith is gone, and it aint coming back.

Indeed, it went out of the window when one of the sides decided to unilaterally threaten to break an international treaty through an act of parliament.

Which only occurs if the internal food market of the UK is closed by the EU.

It won't be closed. Goods just need to be checked that they reach EU standards in case they are sent south. That was the international agreement

That wasn’t the threat. Any stopping breaks the GFA. The demand is EU inspectors in the UK.

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:34 pm

The difference is that in the the other deals the two negotiating partners are working with good faith to bring each others systems closer together.
This is the first deal on how to diverge, with the good faith already thrown out by the IMB.

Incorrect, the good faith departed when the EU negotiators threatened the internal food market of the UK and NI.

shereblue wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:18 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:00 pm

La soule wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:50 pm

Leinster in London wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:46 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:34 pm


Incorrect, the good faith departed when the EU negotiators threatened the internal food market of the UK and NI.

Well good faith is gone, and it aint coming back.

Indeed, it went out of the window when one of the sides decided to unilaterally threaten to break an international treaty through an act of parliament.

Which only occurs if the internal food market of the UK is closed by the EU.

Trumpian repetition of bollix?

Or

the UKs "best lawyers" and chump of a PM signed off an oven-ready deal to permit that?

Which is it?

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:24 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:43 am

YOYO wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:35 pm Irish nationalism has little to do whatever progress Sinn Fein made in the last general election. The reason for recent growth in Sinn Fein’s popularly could be traced back to the the 2008 recession, the resultant massive financial crisis and the fallout from it. It resulted in mass unemployment up to 25% at one stage if memory serves me right, more social issues such as increase in homelessness, some corrupt and some poorly regulated banking institutions which were strongly to blame for the collapse of our economy (blame put on the government), the eventual return of our economy, but with a massive housing issue due to lack of a affordable property in the bigger cities for young people, and social issues such as a homelessness situation (in bigger cities). Sein Finn seized on the dissatisfaction of the younger voters with the two most popular parties Fianna Fail and Fael Gael - who have governed the country most or less since its formation. Sein Fein positions itself as a democratic socialist left-wing party and of course offered to make right all the wrongs the younger voters blamed Fianna Fail and Fael Gael parties for.

The growth in support for Sinn Fein in the last GE election had little to do with Republicanism but more to do with giving the two fingers to the two populists parties.

Thankfully Sinn Fein didn’t get into government. Hopefully we’ll seen a decline in popularity of the party and back to the status quo.

Nah, brexit released an acceptable “don’t we all hate the English” narrative making the more unacceptable elements of The republicans much more acceptable in polite society in Ireland. This made voting shinner much more acceptable.

There’s people on here who display much much more nationalistic hate of the English now than they ever did or would a decade ago, most of them polite public school educated types.

Not at all. You are misplaced with your thoughts on this bimbo.
What about British nationalism in England and greater Britain to a less extent? Many brexiters have gone to the extreme right and hate is on the rise. Blame your fake new media peddling government agenda for this. Neoliberalism and chaos at its finest.

Which Irish posters have changed and are now more nationalistic?

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:29 pm

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:24 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:43 am

YOYO wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:35 pm Irish nationalism has little to do whatever progress Sinn Fein made in the last general election. The reason for recent growth in Sinn Fein’s popularly could be traced back to the the 2008 recession, the resultant massive financial crisis and the fallout from it. It resulted in mass unemployment up to 25% at one stage if memory serves me right, more social issues such as increase in homelessness, some corrupt and some poorly regulated banking institutions which were strongly to blame for the collapse of our economy (blame put on the government), the eventual return of our economy, but with a massive housing issue due to lack of a affordable property in the bigger cities for young people, and social issues such as a homelessness situation (in bigger cities). Sein Finn seized on the dissatisfaction of the younger voters with the two most popular parties Fianna Fail and Fael Gael - who have governed the country most or less since its formation. Sein Fein positions itself as a democratic socialist left-wing party and of course offered to make right all the wrongs the younger voters blamed Fianna Fail and Fael Gael parties for.

The growth in support for Sinn Fein in the last GE election had little to do with Republicanism but more to do with giving the two fingers to the two populists parties.

Thankfully Sinn Fein didn’t get into government. Hopefully we’ll seen a decline in popularity of the party and back to the status quo.

Nah, brexit released an acceptable “don’t we all hate the English” narrative making the more unacceptable elements of The republicans much more acceptable in polite society in Ireland. This made voting shinner much more acceptable.

There’s people on here who display much much more nationalistic hate of the English now than they ever did or would a decade ago, most of them polite public school educated types.

Not at all. You are misplaced with your thoughts on this bimbo.
What about British nationalism in England and greater Britain to a less extent? Many brexiters have gone to the extreme right and hate is on the rise. Blame your fake new media peddling government agenda for this. Neoliberalism and chaos at its finest.

Which Irish posters have changed and are now more nationalistic?

You're just talking shit.

1/3+ of those in the republic voted for a nationalist party of terrorists.

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:33 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:29 pm

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:24 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:43 am

YOYO wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:35 pm Irish nationalism has little to do whatever progress Sinn Fein made in the last general election. The reason for recent growth in Sinn Fein’s popularly could be traced back to the the 2008 recession, the resultant massive financial crisis and the fallout from it. It resulted in mass unemployment up to 25% at one stage if memory serves me right, more social issues such as increase in homelessness, some corrupt and some poorly regulated banking institutions which were strongly to blame for the collapse of our economy (blame put on the government), the eventual return of our economy, but with a massive housing issue due to lack of a affordable property in the bigger cities for young people, and social issues such as a homelessness situation (in bigger cities). Sein Finn seized on the dissatisfaction of the younger voters with the two most popular parties Fianna Fail and Fael Gael - who have governed the country most or less since its formation. Sein Fein positions itself as a democratic socialist left-wing party and of course offered to make right all the wrongs the younger voters blamed Fianna Fail and Fael Gael parties for.

The growth in support for Sinn Fein in the last GE election had little to do with Republicanism but more to do with giving the two fingers to the two populists parties.

Thankfully Sinn Fein didn’t get into government. Hopefully we’ll seen a decline in popularity of the party and back to the status quo.

Nah, brexit released an acceptable “don’t we all hate the English” narrative making the more unacceptable elements of The republicans much more acceptable in polite society in Ireland. This made voting shinner much more acceptable.

There’s people on here who display much much more nationalistic hate of the English now than they ever did or would a decade ago, most of them polite public school educated types.

Not at all. You are misplaced with your thoughts on this bimbo.
What about British nationalism in England and greater Britain to a less extent? Many brexiters have gone to the extreme right and hate is on the rise. Blame your fake new media peddling government agenda for this. Neoliberalism and chaos at its finest.

Which Irish posters have changed and are now more nationalistic?

You're just talking shit.

1/3+ of those in the republic voted for a nationalist party of terrorists.

Our below 30 population as well. You should be worried

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:36 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:33 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:29 pm

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:24 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:43 am



Nah, brexit released an acceptable “don’t we all hate the English” narrative making the more unacceptable elements of The republicans much more acceptable in polite society in Ireland. This made voting shinner much more acceptable.

There’s people on here who display much much more nationalistic hate of the English now than they ever did or would a decade ago, most of them polite public school educated types.

Not at all. You are misplaced with your thoughts on this bimbo.
What about British nationalism in England and greater Britain to a less extent? Many brexiters have gone to the extreme right and hate is on the rise. Blame your fake new media peddling government agenda for this. Neoliberalism and chaos at its finest.

Which Irish posters have changed and are now more nationalistic?

You're just talking shit.

1/3+ of those in the republic voted for a nationalist party of terrorists.

Our below 30 population as well. You should be worried

There we go banging the drum again. Those below 30 don;t remeber Warrington baby killers and McHugh ... much to their shame.

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:24 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:43 am

YOYO wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:35 pm Irish nationalism has little to do whatever progress Sinn Fein made in the last general election. The reason for recent growth in Sinn Fein’s popularly could be traced back to the the 2008 recession, the resultant massive financial crisis and the fallout from it. It resulted in mass unemployment up to 25% at one stage if memory serves me right, more social issues such as increase in homelessness, some corrupt and some poorly regulated banking institutions which were strongly to blame for the collapse of our economy (blame put on the government), the eventual return of our economy, but with a massive housing issue due to lack of a affordable property in the bigger cities for young people, and social issues such as a homelessness situation (in bigger cities). Sein Finn seized on the dissatisfaction of the younger voters with the two most popular parties Fianna Fail and Fael Gael - who have governed the country most or less since its formation. Sein Fein positions itself as a democratic socialist left-wing party and of course offered to make right all the wrongs the younger voters blamed Fianna Fail and Fael Gael parties for.

The growth in support for Sinn Fein in the last GE election had little to do with Republicanism but more to do with giving the two fingers to the two populists parties.

Thankfully Sinn Fein didn’t get into government. Hopefully we’ll seen a decline in popularity of the party and back to the status quo.

Nah, brexit released an acceptable “don’t we all hate the English” narrative making the more unacceptable elements of The republicans much more acceptable in polite society in Ireland. This made voting shinner much more acceptable.

There’s people on here who display much much more nationalistic hate of the English now than they ever did or would a decade ago, most of them polite public school educated types.

Not at all. You are misplaced with your thoughts on this bimbo.
What about British nationalism in England and greater Britain to a less extent? Many brexiters have gone to the extreme right and hate is on the rise. Blame your fake new media peddling government agenda for this. Neoliberalism and chaos at its finest.

Which Irish posters have changed and are now more nationalistic? You’d have to blind not to have seen the Irish nationalist discussion on here over the years.

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:09 pm The British government is following the neoliberalism template. It’s also counts on nationalism.

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:15 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:11 pm

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:09 pm The British government is following the neoliberalism template. It’s also counts on nationalism.

Meaningless and sorry they’re opposing projects....

You’re just saying stuff now. Looking to deflect the nationalism issue your own country faces. Hey they’re just observations.

A quick definition look.

My god the Brexit Government fits this perfectly.

Neo-nationalism, or new nationalism, is an ideology and political movement built on the basic characteristics of classical nationalism.

In its extreme forms, neo-nationalism is associated with several positions such as right-wing populism, anti-globalization, nativism, protectionism, opposition to immigration, Islamophobia, Sinophobia, and Euroscepticism.

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:15 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:11 pm

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:09 pm The British government is following the neoliberalism template. It’s also counts on nationalism.

Meaningless and sorry they’re opposing projects....

You’re just saying stuff now. Looking to deflect the nationalism issue your own country faces. Hey they’re just observations.

A quick definition look.

My god the Brexit Government fits this perfectly.

Neo-nationalism, or new nationalism, is an ideology and political movement built on the basic characteristics of classical nationalism.

In its extreme forms, neo-nationalism is associated with several positions such as right-wing populism, anti-globalization, nativism, protectionism, opposition to immigration, Islamophobia, Sinophobia, and Euroscepticism.

Neoliberalism and new-neonationalism rubbing off each other is what the British government is implementing.

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:29 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:26 pm

Neoliberalism and new-neonationalism rubbing off each other is what the British government is implementing.

You’re being a genuine idiot now. Go away.

“Any attempt to make sense of neoliberalism’s many twists and turns must therefore pay attention to trends in their ideological direction and outputs. And this is where neoliberalism’s recent hard turn towards conservative nationalism becomes apparent.

In truth, many of neoliberalism’s ideologues had swerved firmly towards conservative nationalism well before right-wing populism became a serious political contender.”

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:45 pm You’re too black and white with your old global political descriptions.

YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:00 pm You’re full of sh1t bimbo.

Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020 09:10
Maybe Bimbo would be kind enough to explain exactly how Parliament would have got together over a soft EFTA exit.


PM May, shall we go for EFTA ?


Arranges this as part of withdrawal agreement.


Puts a vote before parliament......

This isn’t difficult.