Boris could have left at it that, but no, it turns out he created laws which protected the integrity of the UK with respect to NI trading arrangements, and therefore also the GFA. And Parliament agreed with him and voted it through.La soule wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:49 pmWounded animals tend to become extremely agressive.YOYO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:18 pm You’re starting to use incendiary language just like Boris did.
Boris signs a WA after ratification from his government and then decides nah, I now want to go back on it. Then comes up with threats because the EU won’t allow him to change the WA. Boris and his cronies are a bunch of plonkers.
ChipSpike wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:48 pmits British last time I looked. And it is one of the most trusted news sources worldwide, ask anyone.
Aye and ENglish ale is the best along with steak and kidney pie. AND-y wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:24 pm
Steak and kidney pie. Yum.
Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
Is it about the same for Trump?Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
Yeah, but fish.Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
A matter of scaleNewsome wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:39 amYeah, but fish.Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headlinemessage #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 amI'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
By 40%? Unlikely.piquant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:43 amThose record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headlinemessage #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 amI'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
That was a comment on the record exports back in February as per some published ONS datamessage #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:49 amBy 40%? Unlikely.piquant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:43 amThose record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headlinemessage #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 amI'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
Did someone really take the time to sit down and type that utter tripe - Even as a fervent Remainer, I find that to be utter garbage and completely devoid of any humour.shereblue wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:29 am Chris Le Carlin on Quora. (c)
The way Brexit points are being made and lost reads a lot like this:
Brexit Trade Talks
UK: We don't like our deal
EU: Why not?
UK: We only get 95% of what we want
EU: It only gives us 95% too. That's how negotiating goes
UK: We want a new deal that gives us everything we can think of
EU: But you signed a deal
UK: Don't care, we hate you
EU: Bit rude
UK: We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you
EU: And how is Nigel?
UK: Not happy
EU: Why not?
UK: His TV work has dried up. So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 3 weeks, or we cancel our existing deal
EU: Wait, what?
UK: You heard. Give us 100% of what we want in 3 weeks, or we break the law and walk away with 0% of what we want
EU: Er, suits us!
UK: Wait, what?
EU: Perfect. Do it. Walk away. Take Nigel with you.
UK: No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win
EU: Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect, and we have 95% of perfect. If we renegotiate, you get more but we get less
UK: That's right
EU: But if we don't negotiate, we still have our 95%
UK: Woah, hold on
EU: And you have nothing
UK: But Dom didn't superpredict you'd say that!
EU: And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you **** on our lawn
UK: The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!
EU: I just found this spine. Is it yours?
UK: Welp!
EU: So we'll just sit this one out
UK: Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US
US: Yo suckers
UK: We are here to get a lovely big trade deal
US: Sure thing. Obey existing deals, and give us 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see, 60% of what you have now
UK: Not good enough, we have a Special Relationship
US: Bye
UK: What?
US: Bye. Talks are over, the Special Relationship is over, your country is over. Bye
UK: But we haven't got a deal, and we told everyone it would be easy!
US: It is easy: we are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%. No deal: easy
UK: But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us
US: We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India
UK: Hi India, remember us?
India: Oh ****, these guys again
UK: We want a trade deal
India: And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK
UK: We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist
India: That is brand new information!!
UK: So can we have a deal?
India: Sure, fine. Join the queue
UK: Who's in front of us in the queue?
India: EU, USA, China, Brazil, Korea, Canada, Australia basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.
UK: So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 3 weeks?
India: Ha ha ha ha ha
UK: What did we say?
India: 3 weeks? Try 3 years. This **** takes ages, bro
UK: But we had a timetable of 3 weeks with the EU
India: And how did that work out?
UK: Erm
India: Try Brazil
UK: Hi Brazil
Brazil: We ArE oN FiRe!!
UK: Maybe we can trade you some fire engines?
Brazil: We LiKe bEiNg oN FiRe, iT's OuR tHiNg NoW!!!
UK: Shall we try New Zealand?
Brazil: I aM So DrUnK!!
UK: Yeah, let's try New Zealand
UK: Hi, New Zealand
NZ: Hi, Crazy Uncle
UK: We'd like to sell you some lamb
NZ: Sorry, it's very noisy here, cos we still have a working economy. Did you say you want to sell us some lamb?
UK: Yes
NZ: Hold the line, gotta tell Australia this, they'll **** themselves
UK: Hi Australia, wanna trade stuff?
Aus: We wanna offload Rolf Harris and our worst ever PM. What can you give us for them?
UK: We've already got them
Aus: That was easy! So what can you trade?
UK: We can send you some racists
Aus: I think we're sorted. Try Russia
UK: Hi Russia, we have loads of lovely things we think you'd love to own
Russia: We already own them
UK: You don't own Boris
Russia: True. We rent him by the hour. £160k for a tennis match
UK: We really need a trade deal
Russia: We know. We made you need one. Try Canada
UK: We want the same deal as you got with the EU. We’re entitled to it.
Canada: Oh merde. You found us.
UK: Tell us the tricks you used to negotiate with the EU.
Canada: We didn’t use any tricks. And we are running out of English words.
UK: Tell us how you got a deal with the EU.
Canada: Pour commencer, tu dois arrêter de chercher la petite bête.
UK: What does that mean?
Canada: I can’t explain it. Not everything can be explained in English, like Brexit or racism
UK: But we really need a trade deal very badly, else the EU would laugh at us even more
Canada: Tu te la pètes, arrête ton char, please. Try China
UK: Can we please have a trade deal?
China: And you are...?
UK: We're Great Britain
China: Great, you say?
UK: Well once
China: It's not ringing any bells. Do you have another name?
UK: United Kingdom
China: United, you say?
UK: Alright, smart arse
China: So you want a trade deal?
UK: Yes, but first we demand you obey international law
China: What happened to your deal with the EU?
UK: We broke international law
China: Have you been drinking moonshine with Brazil again?
UK: We're very tired.
China: Why did you leave the EU?
UK: We couldn't deal with foreigners telling us what to do
China: What do you want?
UK: A deal
China: With who?
UK: Foreigners
China: And why can't you get one?
UK: Cos we don't know what to do
China: Were you dropped as a child?
UK: We just want a trade deal worthy of our status
China: You've got one
UK: No we haven't
China: Yes you have
UK: Why won't anybody take us seriously?
China: Would you like to buy a mirror?
UK: Finally, a deal!
China: You had a deal worthy of your status, with the EU. You don't need to renegotiate deals: you need to reassess your status. You're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trade bloc, which you just left, you tit
UK: So, what do you suggest?
China: Confucius, he say: You already know
EU: Hi there! Here to rejoin?
UK: Yes, and on the same terms as before
EU: Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, bonjour to the Euro, and hola to the Schengen area. Wilkommen!
Incredible to see how good the EU has been for Germany France, Netherlands and the disaster it has been for the UK.Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:45 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4zbEiBY_jk
Exports 1948-2019.
Massive (relative) drop off from the UK post war but little difference post 2016.
Enzedder wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:44 amIs it about the same for Trump?Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
$2222bn in 2016 - $1645bn in 2019 Shit, he's good.
message #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:56 amIncredible to see how good the EU has been for Germany France, Netherlands and the disaster it has been for the UK.Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:45 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4zbEiBY_jk
Exports 1948-2019.
Massive (relative) drop off from the UK post war but little difference post 2016.
message #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 amI'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
Hope he has a nice hotel in Waterloo
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:54 am
A little more historical context. China and India % World GDP pre-industrial revolution.
My interpretation of the data provided earlier was that EU membership has slowed down the UK's post-empire downward trend.
So when it comes to the interpretation of historic GDP data are Remainers "China fan boys" or are Brexiteers "King Cnuts" ?
The data in the visual doesn’t include services just goods.. so the data is correct.piquant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:43 amThose record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headlinemessage #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 amI'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
The data are correct.YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:14 pmThe data in the visual doesn’t include services just goods.. do the data is correct.piquant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:43 amThose record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headlinemessage #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 amI'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
by bimboman » 26 Oct 2020 10:56
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑26 Oct 2020 10:54
Image
A little more historical context. China and India % World GDP pre-industrial revolution.
My interpretation of the data provided earlier was that EU membership has slowed down the UK's post-empire downward trend.
So when it comes to the interpretation of historic GDP data are Remainers "China fan boys" or are Brexiteers "King Cnuts" ?
Whilst remaining the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world.
Relatively successful 40 yearsSawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:19 pmby bimboman » 26 Oct 2020 10:56
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑26 Oct 2020 10:54
Image
A little more historical context. China and India % World GDP pre-industrial revolution.
My interpretation of the data provided earlier was that EU membership has slowed down the UK's post-empire downward trend.
So when it comes to the interpretation of historic GDP data are Remainers "China fan boys" or are Brexiteers "King Cnuts" ?
Whilst remaining the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world.
I didn't look at the twitter link, it's twitter. The comment I made about the figures pertains only to the data released by the ONS some months back regarding a growth in exports, and on those ONS figures whilst I didn't comment that economies tend to grow so new figures are nearly always record figures, I did comment that about a reassignment of ownership in gold massively distorted the import/export calculations and thus nobody should be taking the claims of Liz Truss et al too seriously other than actually being serious about why government minsters think it appropriate to be such disingenuous wankers.YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:14 pmThe data in the visual doesn’t include services just goods.. do the data is correct.piquant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:43 amThose record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headlinemessage #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 amI'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.Yer Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 amJaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.
China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.
https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland