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Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:57 pm
by YOYO
I will say the BBC is certainly not Fox News but it could slowly vear that direction.
It would be sad if BBC presenters like Emily Maitlis are muzzled.

Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:58 pm
by bimboman
YOYO wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:37 pm
    The BBC will just be a government mouthpiece aka Fox News. It’s simple as that.

    Charles Moore, a former editor of the Daily Telegraph and harsh critic of the BBC.
    A government ally and appointment.


    Would you have objected to a Guardian editor being made head of the bbc?

    Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

    Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:59 pm
    by bimboman
    YOYO wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:57 pm I will say the BBC is certainly not Fox News but it could slowly vear that direction.
    It would be sad if BBC presenters like Emily Maitlis are muzzled.


    She breaks 5he BBC charter on neutrality.... she should stay within that or be fired.

    Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

    Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:00 pm
    by ChipSpike
    La soule wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:49 pm
    YOYO wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:18 pm You’re starting to use incendiary language just like Boris did.

    Boris signs a WA after ratification from his government and then decides nah, I now want to go back on it. Then comes up with threats because the EU won’t allow him to change the WA. Boris and his cronies are a bunch of plonkers.
    Wounded animals tend to become extremely agressive.
    Boris could have left at it that, but no, it turns out he created laws which protected the integrity of the UK with respect to NI trading arrangements, and therefore also the GFA. And Parliament agreed with him and voted it through.

    Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

    Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:00 pm
    by YOYO
    bimboman wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:58 pm
    YOYO wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:37 pm
      The BBC will just be a government mouthpiece aka Fox News. It’s simple as that.

      Charles Moore, a former editor of the Daily Telegraph and harsh critic of the BBC.
      A government ally and appointment.


      Would you have objected to a Guardian editor being made head of the bbc?
      Basically someone who is impartial, has proven the impartiality and has no ties to the government or their political agenda.

      Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

      Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:20 pm
      by Newsome
      The BBC should just say fu ck it. BBC one is for the Guardian marxists, and BBC 2 is for the tory ruperts and you can just choose whichever one you want to watch.

      Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

      Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:23 pm
      by bimboman
      YOYO wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:00 pm
      bimboman wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:58 pm
      YOYO wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:37 pm
        The BBC will just be a government mouthpiece aka Fox News. It’s simple as that.

        Charles Moore, a former editor of the Daily Telegraph and harsh critic of the BBC.
        A government ally and appointment.


        Would you have objected to a Guardian editor being made head of the bbc?
        Basically someone who is impartial, has proven the impartiality and has no ties to the government or their political agenda.


        Impartial like Emily Mattis ?

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:24 pm
        by AND-y
        ChipSpike wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:48 pm
        AND-y wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:35 pm
        ChipSpike wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:53 pm
        YOYO wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:41 pm
        ovalball wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:37 pm

        :lol: :lol: :lol:
        BBC news and reporting of Brexit has been inconsistent at best. It’s board is loaded with Tories.
        You're being silly now. The Beeb is one of the most trusted news organisation worldwide.
        :lol: :lol: Do the English ever stop with their deluded exceptionalism
        its British last time I looked. And it is one of the most trusted news sources worldwide, ask anyone.
        :lol: :lol: :lol: Aye and ENglish ale is the best along with steak and kidney pie. :lol:

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:24 pm
        by AND-y
        AND-y wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:24 pm
        ChipSpike wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:48 pm
        AND-y wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:35 pm
        ChipSpike wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:53 pm
        YOYO wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:41 pm
        BBC news and reporting of Brexit has been inconsistent at best. It’s board is loaded with Tories.
        You're being silly now. The Beeb is one of the most trusted news organisation worldwide.
        :lol: :lol: Do the English ever stop with their deluded exceptionalism
        its British last time I looked. And it is one of the most trusted news sources worldwide, ask anyone.
        :lol: :lol: :lol: Aye and ENglish ale is the best along with steak and kidney pie. Ask anyone. :lol:

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:37 pm
        by ChipSpike
        AND-y wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:24 pm
        AND-y wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:24 pm
        ChipSpike wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:48 pm
        AND-y wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:35 pm
        ChipSpike wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:53 pm

        You're being silly now. The Beeb is one of the most trusted news organisation worldwide.
        :lol: :lol: Do the English ever stop with their deluded exceptionalism
        its British last time I looked. And it is one of the most trusted news sources worldwide, ask anyone.
        :lol: :lol: :lol: Aye and ENglish ale is the best along with steak and kidney pie. Ask anyone. :lol:
        Steak and kidney pie. Yum.

        https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/top-5-wor ... ensorship/

        oh and :lol:

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am
        by YOYO
        Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        by Yer Man
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:18 am
        by Newsome

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:24 am
        by ovalball
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        :shock:

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:44 am
        by Enzedder
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        Is it about the same for Trump?

        $2222bn in 2016 - $1645bn in 2019 Shit, he's good.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:39 am
        by Newsome
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        Yeah, but fish.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:10 am
        by MungoMan
        Newsome wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:39 am
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        Yeah, but fish.
        A matter of scale

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 am
        by message #2527204
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

        But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:43 am
        by piquant
        message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 am
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

        But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
        Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:49 am
        by message #2527204
        piquant wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:43 am
        message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 am
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

        But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
        Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline
        By 40%? Unlikely.
        Where does the data come from if not from national statistics of the countries listed?

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:52 am
        by piquant
        message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:49 am
        piquant wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:43 am
        message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 am
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

        But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
        Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline
        By 40%? Unlikely.
        That was a comment on the record exports back in February as per some published ONS data

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:29 am
        by shereblue
        Chris Le Carlin on Quora. (c)

        The way Brexit points are being made and lost reads a lot like this:

        Brexit Trade Talks

        UK: We don't like our deal

        EU: Why not?

        UK: We only get 95% of what we want

        EU: It only gives us 95% too. That's how negotiating goes

        UK: We want a new deal that gives us everything we can think of

        EU: But you signed a deal

        UK: Don't care, we hate you

        EU: Bit rude

        UK: We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you

        EU: And how is Nigel?

        UK: Not happy

        EU: Why not?

        UK: His TV work has dried up. So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 3 weeks, or we cancel our existing deal

        EU: Wait, what?

        UK: You heard. Give us 100% of what we want in 3 weeks, or we break the law and walk away with 0% of what we want

        EU: Er, suits us!

        UK: Wait, what?

        EU: Perfect. Do it. Walk away. Take Nigel with you.

        UK: No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win

        EU: Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect, and we have 95% of perfect. If we renegotiate, you get more but we get less

        UK: That's right

        EU: But if we don't negotiate, we still have our 95%

        UK: Woah, hold on

        EU: And you have nothing

        UK: But Dom didn't superpredict you'd say that!

        EU: And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you **** on our lawn

        UK: The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!

        EU: I just found this spine. Is it yours?

        UK: Welp!

        EU: So we'll just sit this one out

        UK: Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US

        US: Yo suckers

        UK: We are here to get a lovely big trade deal

        US: Sure thing. Obey existing deals, and give us 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see, 60% of what you have now

        UK: Not good enough, we have a Special Relationship

        US: Bye

        UK: What?

        US: Bye. Talks are over, the Special Relationship is over, your country is over. Bye

        UK: But we haven't got a deal, and we told everyone it would be easy!

        US: It is easy: we are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%. No deal: easy

        UK: But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us

        US: We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India

        UK: Hi India, remember us?

        India: Oh ****, these guys again

        UK: We want a trade deal

        India: And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK

        UK: We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist

        India: That is brand new information!!

        UK: So can we have a deal?

        India: Sure, fine. Join the queue

        UK: Who's in front of us in the queue?

        India: EU, USA, China, Brazil, Korea, Canada, Australia basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.

        UK: So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 3 weeks?

        India: Ha ha ha ha ha

        UK: What did we say?

        India: 3 weeks? Try 3 years. This **** takes ages, bro

        UK: But we had a timetable of 3 weeks with the EU

        India: And how did that work out?

        UK: Erm

        India: Try Brazil

        UK: Hi Brazil

        Brazil: We ArE oN FiRe!!

        UK: Maybe we can trade you some fire engines?

        Brazil: We LiKe bEiNg oN FiRe, iT's OuR tHiNg NoW!!!

        UK: Shall we try New Zealand?

        Brazil: I aM So DrUnK!!

        UK: Yeah, let's try New Zealand

        UK: Hi, New Zealand

        NZ: Hi, Crazy Uncle

        UK: We'd like to sell you some lamb

        NZ: Sorry, it's very noisy here, cos we still have a working economy. Did you say you want to sell us some lamb?

        UK: Yes

        NZ: Hold the line, gotta tell Australia this, they'll **** themselves

        UK: Hi Australia, wanna trade stuff?

        Aus: We wanna offload Rolf Harris and our worst ever PM. What can you give us for them?

        UK: We've already got them

        Aus: That was easy! So what can you trade?

        UK: We can send you some racists

        Aus: I think we're sorted. Try Russia

        UK: Hi Russia, we have loads of lovely things we think you'd love to own

        Russia: We already own them

        UK: You don't own Boris

        Russia: True. We rent him by the hour. £160k for a tennis match

        UK: We really need a trade deal

        Russia: We know. We made you need one. Try Canada

        UK: We want the same deal as you got with the EU. We’re entitled to it.

        Canada: Oh merde. You found us.

        UK: Tell us the tricks you used to negotiate with the EU.

        Canada: We didn’t use any tricks. And we are running out of English words.

        UK: Tell us how you got a deal with the EU.

        Canada: Pour commencer, tu dois arrêter de chercher la petite bête.

        UK: What does that mean?

        Canada: I can’t explain it. Not everything can be explained in English, like Brexit or racism

        UK: But we really need a trade deal very badly, else the EU would laugh at us even more

        Canada: Tu te la pètes, arrête ton char, please. Try China

        UK: Can we please have a trade deal?

        China: And you are...?

        UK: We're Great Britain

        China: Great, you say?

        UK: Well once

        China: It's not ringing any bells. Do you have another name?

        UK: United Kingdom

        China: United, you say?

        UK: Alright, smart arse

        China: So you want a trade deal?

        UK: Yes, but first we demand you obey international law

        China: What happened to your deal with the EU?

        UK: We broke international law

        China: Have you been drinking moonshine with Brazil again?

        UK: We're very tired.

        China: Why did you leave the EU?

        UK: We couldn't deal with foreigners telling us what to do

        China: What do you want?

        UK: A deal

        China: With who?

        UK: Foreigners

        China: And why can't you get one?

        UK: Cos we don't know what to do

        China: Were you dropped as a child?

        UK: We just want a trade deal worthy of our status

        China: You've got one

        UK: No we haven't

        China: Yes you have

        UK: Why won't anybody take us seriously?

        China: Would you like to buy a mirror?

        UK: Finally, a deal!

        China: You had a deal worthy of your status, with the EU. You don't need to renegotiate deals: you need to reassess your status. You're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trade bloc, which you just left, you tit

        UK: So, what do you suggest?

        China: Confucius, he say: You already know

        EU: Hi there! Here to rejoin?

        UK: Yes, and on the same terms as before

        EU: Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, bonjour to the Euro, and hola to the Schengen area. Wilkommen!

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:36 am
        by message #2527204
        tldr; But seems to me you're agreeing that Barnier didn't want a deal in the first place.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:43 am
        by ovalball
        shereblue wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:29 am Chris Le Carlin on Quora. (c)

        The way Brexit points are being made and lost reads a lot like this:

        Brexit Trade Talks

        UK: We don't like our deal

        EU: Why not?

        UK: We only get 95% of what we want

        EU: It only gives us 95% too. That's how negotiating goes

        UK: We want a new deal that gives us everything we can think of

        EU: But you signed a deal

        UK: Don't care, we hate you

        EU: Bit rude

        UK: We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you

        EU: And how is Nigel?

        UK: Not happy

        EU: Why not?

        UK: His TV work has dried up. So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 3 weeks, or we cancel our existing deal

        EU: Wait, what?

        UK: You heard. Give us 100% of what we want in 3 weeks, or we break the law and walk away with 0% of what we want

        EU: Er, suits us!

        UK: Wait, what?

        EU: Perfect. Do it. Walk away. Take Nigel with you.

        UK: No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win

        EU: Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect, and we have 95% of perfect. If we renegotiate, you get more but we get less

        UK: That's right

        EU: But if we don't negotiate, we still have our 95%

        UK: Woah, hold on

        EU: And you have nothing

        UK: But Dom didn't superpredict you'd say that!

        EU: And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you **** on our lawn

        UK: The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!

        EU: I just found this spine. Is it yours?

        UK: Welp!

        EU: So we'll just sit this one out

        UK: Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US

        US: Yo suckers

        UK: We are here to get a lovely big trade deal

        US: Sure thing. Obey existing deals, and give us 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see, 60% of what you have now

        UK: Not good enough, we have a Special Relationship

        US: Bye

        UK: What?

        US: Bye. Talks are over, the Special Relationship is over, your country is over. Bye

        UK: But we haven't got a deal, and we told everyone it would be easy!

        US: It is easy: we are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%. No deal: easy

        UK: But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us

        US: We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India

        UK: Hi India, remember us?

        India: Oh ****, these guys again

        UK: We want a trade deal

        India: And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK

        UK: We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist

        India: That is brand new information!!

        UK: So can we have a deal?

        India: Sure, fine. Join the queue

        UK: Who's in front of us in the queue?

        India: EU, USA, China, Brazil, Korea, Canada, Australia basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.

        UK: So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 3 weeks?

        India: Ha ha ha ha ha

        UK: What did we say?

        India: 3 weeks? Try 3 years. This **** takes ages, bro

        UK: But we had a timetable of 3 weeks with the EU

        India: And how did that work out?

        UK: Erm

        India: Try Brazil

        UK: Hi Brazil

        Brazil: We ArE oN FiRe!!

        UK: Maybe we can trade you some fire engines?

        Brazil: We LiKe bEiNg oN FiRe, iT's OuR tHiNg NoW!!!

        UK: Shall we try New Zealand?

        Brazil: I aM So DrUnK!!

        UK: Yeah, let's try New Zealand

        UK: Hi, New Zealand

        NZ: Hi, Crazy Uncle

        UK: We'd like to sell you some lamb

        NZ: Sorry, it's very noisy here, cos we still have a working economy. Did you say you want to sell us some lamb?

        UK: Yes

        NZ: Hold the line, gotta tell Australia this, they'll **** themselves

        UK: Hi Australia, wanna trade stuff?

        Aus: We wanna offload Rolf Harris and our worst ever PM. What can you give us for them?

        UK: We've already got them

        Aus: That was easy! So what can you trade?

        UK: We can send you some racists

        Aus: I think we're sorted. Try Russia

        UK: Hi Russia, we have loads of lovely things we think you'd love to own

        Russia: We already own them

        UK: You don't own Boris

        Russia: True. We rent him by the hour. £160k for a tennis match

        UK: We really need a trade deal

        Russia: We know. We made you need one. Try Canada

        UK: We want the same deal as you got with the EU. We’re entitled to it.

        Canada: Oh merde. You found us.

        UK: Tell us the tricks you used to negotiate with the EU.

        Canada: We didn’t use any tricks. And we are running out of English words.

        UK: Tell us how you got a deal with the EU.

        Canada: Pour commencer, tu dois arrêter de chercher la petite bête.

        UK: What does that mean?

        Canada: I can’t explain it. Not everything can be explained in English, like Brexit or racism

        UK: But we really need a trade deal very badly, else the EU would laugh at us even more

        Canada: Tu te la pètes, arrête ton char, please. Try China

        UK: Can we please have a trade deal?

        China: And you are...?

        UK: We're Great Britain

        China: Great, you say?

        UK: Well once

        China: It's not ringing any bells. Do you have another name?

        UK: United Kingdom

        China: United, you say?

        UK: Alright, smart arse

        China: So you want a trade deal?

        UK: Yes, but first we demand you obey international law

        China: What happened to your deal with the EU?

        UK: We broke international law

        China: Have you been drinking moonshine with Brazil again?

        UK: We're very tired.

        China: Why did you leave the EU?

        UK: We couldn't deal with foreigners telling us what to do

        China: What do you want?

        UK: A deal

        China: With who?

        UK: Foreigners

        China: And why can't you get one?

        UK: Cos we don't know what to do

        China: Were you dropped as a child?

        UK: We just want a trade deal worthy of our status

        China: You've got one

        UK: No we haven't

        China: Yes you have

        UK: Why won't anybody take us seriously?

        China: Would you like to buy a mirror?

        UK: Finally, a deal!

        China: You had a deal worthy of your status, with the EU. You don't need to renegotiate deals: you need to reassess your status. You're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trade bloc, which you just left, you tit

        UK: So, what do you suggest?

        China: Confucius, he say: You already know

        EU: Hi there! Here to rejoin?

        UK: Yes, and on the same terms as before

        EU: Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, bonjour to the Euro, and hola to the Schengen area. Wilkommen!
        Did someone really take the time to sit down and type that utter tripe - Even as a fervent Remainer, I find that to be utter garbage and completely devoid of any humour.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:45 am
        by Sawtooth the Beaver
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4zbEiBY_jk

        Exports 1948-2019.

        Massive (relative) drop off from the UK post war but little difference post 2016.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:52 am
        by terryfinch
        According to reports, everything pretty much agreed apart from fish. Macron is holding out for continued free access to UK fishing grounds, presumably because he fears headlines saying he has sold out his fishermen. His position does seem illogical. He wants to treat the UK as a 'third country' for everything possible, except fish!

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:56 am
        by message #2527204
        Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:45 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4zbEiBY_jk

        Exports 1948-2019.

        Massive (relative) drop off from the UK post war but little difference post 2016.
        Incredible to see how good the EU has been for Germany France, Netherlands and the disaster it has been for the UK.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:59 am
        by bimboman
        Enzedder wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:44 am
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        Is it about the same for Trump?

        $2222bn in 2016 - $1645bn in 2019 Shit, he's good.


        The chart is measured in USD. In 2016 sterling fell against the USD.

        Look at these plums though cheering on communist China.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:03 am
        by piquant
        message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:56 am
        Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:45 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4zbEiBY_jk

        Exports 1948-2019.

        Massive (relative) drop off from the UK post war but little difference post 2016.
        Incredible to see how good the EU has been for Germany France, Netherlands and the disaster it has been for the UK.

        The EU has been good for the UK. The problems the UK has are overwhelmingly not related to the EU

        The loss in exports in the timeframe given here more obviously highlights the loss of empire, and unless you think absent of the EU we'd have rebuilt the empire it's a bit weird to put that on the EU, also why would you want to rebuild the empire when empire isn't a good thing?

        Once we'd lost our empire and we had to compete on the quality and price of our exports we were somewhat exposed, the old trick of ordering people to buy our crap didn't work. We then had a great chance to rescue our situation with monies pouring in from oil and gas but that chance was largely pissed away for free

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:04 am
        by bimboman
        message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 am
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

        But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland

        I’d explain foreign exchange rates.....

        You’d not grasp it. Not message the other hoons.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:22 am
        by Magpie26
        Seems Barnier is staying in London until Wednesday which must be a good sign that things are starting to move.
        Also good that the number of political statements has dropped off significantly which probably means they are getting down to the brass tacks.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:51 am
        by message #2527204
        Magpie26 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:22 am Seems Barnier is staying in London until Wednesday which must be a good sign that things are starting to move.
        Also good that the number of political statements has dropped off significantly which probably means they are getting down to the brass tacks.
        Hope he has a nice hotel in Waterloo

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:54 am
        by Sawtooth the Beaver
        Image

        A little more historical context. China and India % World GDP pre-industrial revolution.

        My interpretation of the data provided earlier was that EU membership has slowed down the UK's post-empire downward trend.

        So when it comes to the interpretation of historic GDP data are Remainers "China fan boys" or are Brexiteers "King Cnuts" ?

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:56 am
        by bimboman
        Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:54 am Image

        A little more historical context. China and India % World GDP pre-industrial revolution.

        My interpretation of the data provided earlier was that EU membership has slowed down the UK's post-empire downward trend.

        So when it comes to the interpretation of historic GDP data are Remainers "China fan boys" or are Brexiteers "King Cnuts" ?


        Whilst remaining the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:14 pm
        by YOYO
        piquant wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:43 am
        message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 am
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

        But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
        Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline
        The data in the visual doesn’t include services just goods.. so the data is correct.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:17 pm
        by message #2527204
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:14 pm
        piquant wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:43 am
        message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 am
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

        But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
        Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline
        The data in the visual doesn’t include services just goods.. do the data is correct.
        The data are correct.

        But misleading as the UK GDP is 80% service. Manufacturing having moved to europe as a consquence of EU membership

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:19 pm
        by Sawtooth the Beaver
        by bimboman » 26 Oct 2020 10:56

        Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑26 Oct 2020 10:54
        Image

        A little more historical context. China and India % World GDP pre-industrial revolution.

        My interpretation of the data provided earlier was that EU membership has slowed down the UK's post-empire downward trend.

        So when it comes to the interpretation of historic GDP data are Remainers "China fan boys" or are Brexiteers "King Cnuts" ?


        Whilst remaining the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world.
        :thumbup: Relatively successful 40 years

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:19 pm
        by bimboman
        And of course demonstrated in a foreign currency which they’re not adjusted for.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:20 pm
        by bimboman
        Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:19 pm
        by bimboman » 26 Oct 2020 10:56

        Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑26 Oct 2020 10:54
        Image

        A little more historical context. China and India % World GDP pre-industrial revolution.

        My interpretation of the data provided earlier was that EU membership has slowed down the UK's post-empire downward trend.

        So when it comes to the interpretation of historic GDP data are Remainers "China fan boys" or are Brexiteers "King Cnuts" ?


        Whilst remaining the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world.
        :thumbup: Relatively successful 40 years


        You might one day realise for all the supposed crap ness of the UK in relative terms it’s bloody successful.

        Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

        Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:26 pm
        by piquant
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:14 pm
        piquant wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:43 am
        message #2527204 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:34 am
        Yer Man wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 am
        YOYO wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:18 am Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

        China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
        The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

        https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21
        Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!
        I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

        But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland
        Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline
        The data in the visual doesn’t include services just goods.. do the data is correct.
        I didn't look at the twitter link, it's twitter. The comment I made about the figures pertains only to the data released by the ONS some months back regarding a growth in exports, and on those ONS figures whilst I didn't comment that economies tend to grow so new figures are nearly always record figures, I did comment that about a reassignment of ownership in gold massively distorted the import/export calculations and thus nobody should be taking the claims of Liz Truss et al too seriously other than actually being serious about why government minsters think it appropriate to be such disingenuous wankers.

        I'd further note those figures could look a lot worse for the government had the gold sales gone t'other way, and they wouldn't be due extra criticism for that, it'd still be nothing to do with the everyday. Though in that instance Boris and his cohorts would have simply used a different metric to claim the win. Also the hangup about exports is missing many points, having large exports, having a surplus in balance of trade aren't in and of themselves important, you could have virtually no exports whatsoever and import shit loads and still be very successful, all the talk around this that reduces it to a zero sum game is politics, not economics.