OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

[bimboman]

BoJo has been offered his pyrrhic victory, I see. Will he jump for it, like a fat man spotting a piece of (EU) cake, and claim : Victory, we have Victory from the steps of 10 Downing Street.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/112 ... 25-brexit/

They’ve rejected the stupid demand.

[message #2527204]

BoJo has been offered his pyrrhic victory, I see. Will he jump for it, like a fat man spotting a piece of (EU) cake, and claim : Victory, we have Victory from the steps of 10 Downing Street.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/112 ... 25-brexit/

They’ve rejected the stupid demand.

Idiots still think it's about money.

[camroc1]

BoJo has been offered his pyrrhic victory, I see. Will he jump for it, like a fat man spotting a piece of (EU) cake, and claim : Victory, we have Victory from the steps of 10 Downing Street.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/112 ... 25-brexit/

They’ve rejected the stupid demand.

Have you ever been part of a real negotiation Bimbo ?

[iarmhiman]

What did they offer? 18%?


Rejected??

20% will do it.

[ChipSpike]

Its how the quotas are set in the subsequent years that matters.

[iarmhiman]

Its how the quotas are set in the subsequent years that matters.

I think you'll find fishing doesn't matter at all. I bet the disagreement is something else, something far more important

[ChipSpike]

Its how the quotas are set in the subsequent years that matters.

I think you'll find fishing doesn't matter at all. I bet the disagreement is something else, something far more important

The reports are saying it's fishing, state subsidies are the sticking points. Unless you know something different?

[iarmhiman]

Its how the quotas are set in the subsequent years that matters.

I think you'll find fishing doesn't matter at all. I bet the disagreement is something else, something far more important

The reports are saying it's fishing, state subsidies are the sticking points. Unless you know something different?

I bet it's another issue

[ChipSpike]

Its how the quotas are set in the subsequent years that matters.

I think you'll find fishing doesn't matter at all. I bet the disagreement is something else, something far more important

The reports are saying it's fishing, state subsidies are the sticking points. Unless you know something different?

I bet it's another issue

I'm not so sure. The UK stance is to adopt the same kind of fisheries management that the EU and Norway already use, that of zonal attachment, and yearly quota allocation. You seem to suggesting we'll trade this away for something else - what?

[iarmhiman]

Its how the quotas are set in the subsequent years that matters.

I think you'll find fishing doesn't matter at all. I bet the disagreement is something else, something far more important

The reports are saying it's fishing, state subsidies are the sticking points. Unless you know something different?

I bet it's another issue

I'm not so sure. The UK stance is to adopt the same kind of fisheries management that the EU and Norway already use, that of zonal attachment, and yearly quota allocation. You seem to suggesting we'll trade this away for something else - what?

I don't know . Fishing doesn't make much money though. Can't see how this could stall a trade deal

[blindsider]

If they can't sort Fisheries, how are they going to agree Level Playing Field, Dispute Resolution and the resolution of the Internal Markets Bill issue?

There really does appear to be a general fatigue and melancholy over the whole process. Unless something changes quickly, I can see the whole thing sinking into a futile 'blame game' where each starts to focus on what the other 'did wrong' rather than get a deal over the line.

I can see a scenario where No Deal becomes the reality until one side blinks, in late Jan/early Feb. The problem might be that the Tories, driven by UK popular opinion, turn on Boris and he is ejected from No 10. He is running out of political allies with clout - is that the rasp of metal on a whetstone I hear?

[Yer Man]

I don't know . Fishing doesn't make much money though. Can't see how this could stall a trade deal

As I understand it, only about 30% of the fish caught in British waters are actually caught by British Fishermen.
But of that 30%, only about 30-35% is sold to the UK market - the vast majority is sold... to the EU.


A no deal Brexit would mean the rest of the EU loses access to to fish in UK waters - but UK fishermen would lose (tariff free) access to most of their markets, i.e. more expensive and would lose market share.
So the current arrangement is access for access... if one is lost then both will be lost.


The State Subsidy issue is puzzling given that
a) UK Conservatives were among the main drivers in establishing such EU rules in the first place - and the Tories traditionally oppose Government subsidy to Industry
b) The UK-Japan Trade Deal apparently includes rules on subsidy that are actually more restrictive than the EU rules


I'm guessing the main motivation is for Boris et al to find something (anything) that they can hold up as a "win!" Making such a big deal out of such a miniscule segment of the Economy does suggest that wins are proving hard to come by.

[Sawtooth the Beaver]

13% of fish landed by UK fishermen come from EU waters. Not the major consideration by any means but a factor nonetheless.

[Yer Man]

So British Fishermen who fish in EU waters are f*cked in January and British Fishermen who sell to the EU market are probably f*cked as well. Can anyone tell me who the winner is???

[bimboman]

So British Fishermen who fish in EU waters are f*cked in January and British Fishermen who sell to the EU market are probably f*cked as well. Can anyone tell me who the winner is???

The rest of the world .......

The British consumer.......

The fish .......

[bimboman]

I don't know . Fishing doesn't make much money though. Can't see how this could stall a trade deal

As I understand it, only about 30% of the fish caught in British waters are actually caught by British Fishermen.
But of that 30%, only about 30-35% is sold to the UK market - the vast majority is sold... to the EU.


A no deal Brexit would mean the rest of the EU loses access to to fish in UK waters - but UK fishermen would lose (tariff free) access to most of their markets, i.e. more expensive and would lose market share.
So the current arrangement is access for access... if one is lost then both will be lost.


The State Subsidy issue is puzzling given that
a) UK Conservatives were among the main drivers in establishing such EU rules in the first place - and the Tories traditionally oppose Government subsidy to Industry
b) The UK-Japan Trade Deal apparently includes rules on subsidy that are actually more restrictive than the EU rules


I'm guessing the main motivation is for Boris et al to find something (anything) that they can hold up as a "win!" Making such a big deal out of such a miniscule segment of the Economy does suggest that wins are proving hard to come by.

The state subsidies issue isn’t about what the subsidy is, it’s about who and how the rules are governed, the EU are insisting that their courts are the arbitrator even after we have left. That’s stupidly unacceptable to any sovereign nation.

[EverReady]

You've got to be circumspect about these things when you are the smaller party but look that comes with flexibility and you can go to places like Tonga and hammer out deals willy nilly

[bimboman]

You've got to be circumspect about these things when you are the smaller party but look that comes with flexibility and you can go to places like Tonga and hammer out deals willy nilly

No you haven’t , you’ve got to look and see there’s no example like the one being demanded by the EU anywhere else on the globe, and that’s with 170 counties smaller than the UK.

[EverReady]

You've got to be circumspect about these things when you are the smaller party but look that comes with flexibility and you can go to places like Tonga and hammer out deals willy nilly

No you haven’t , you’ve got to look and see there’s no example like the one being demanded by the EU anywhere else on the globe, and that’s with 170 counties smaller than the UK.

Tbf that's because nobody likes you but anyway it's all smoke and mirrors. LOOK AT THE FISH LOOK AT THE FISH while you are actually getting raped where it really matters

[camroc1]

You've got to be circumspect about these things when you are the smaller party but look that comes with flexibility and you can go to places like Tonga and hammer out deals willy nilly

No you haven’t , you’ve got to look and see there’s no example like the one being demanded by the EU anywhere else on the globe, and that’s with 170 counties smaller than the UK.

So, the UK will be a first ?
There's that British exceptionalism again.........

[feckwanker]

So British Fishermen who fish in EU waters are f*cked in January and British Fishermen who sell to the EU market are probably f*cked as well. Can anyone tell me who the winner is???

The rest of the world .......

The British consumer.......

The fish .......

The consumer? The reason you guys export so much is that British people don't want to eat that much fish to begin with and when they do, it's really only specific species. You won't change people's tastes.
It's a disaster for British fishermen selling on to the continent.

[iarmhiman]

So British Fishermen who fish in EU waters are f*cked in January and British Fishermen who sell to the EU market are probably f*cked as well. Can anyone tell me who the winner is???

The rest of the world .......

The British consumer.......

The fish .......

The consumer? The reason you guys export so much is that British people don't want to eat that much fish to begin with and when they do, it's really only specific species. You won't change people's tastes.
It's a disaster for British fishermen selling on to the continent.

Unless the freeze it and sell to the likes of Japan. Not that they're short on fish

[bimboman]

You've got to be circumspect about these things when you are the smaller party but look that comes with flexibility and you can go to places like Tonga and hammer out deals willy nilly

No you haven’t , you’ve got to look and see there’s no example like the one being demanded by the EU anywhere else on the globe, and that’s with 170 counties smaller than the UK.

Tbf that's because nobody likes you but anyway it's all smoke and mirrors. LOOK AT THE FISH LOOK AT THE FISH while you are actually getting raped where it really matters

Are we ? What’s happened?

[bimboman]

So British Fishermen who fish in EU waters are f*cked in January and British Fishermen who sell to the EU market are probably f*cked as well. Can anyone tell me who the winner is???

The rest of the world .......

The British consumer.......

The fish .......

The consumer? The reason you guys export so much is that British people don't want to eat that much fish to begin with and when they do, it's really only specific species. You won't change people's tastes.
It's a disaster for British fishermen selling on to the continent.

They’ll sell it to China ...... don’t you panic yet.

[iarmhiman]

So British Fishermen who fish in EU waters are f*cked in January and British Fishermen who sell to the EU market are probably f*cked as well. Can anyone tell me who the winner is???

The rest of the world .......

The British consumer.......

The fish .......

The consumer? The reason you guys export so much is that British people don't want to eat that much fish to begin with and when they do, it's really only specific species. You won't change people's tastes.
It's a disaster for British fishermen selling on to the continent.

They’ll sell it to China ...... don’t you panic yet.

They've just put tariffs on Aussie wine the Chinese.

I take it your government won't be mouthing off about Hong Kong then if you need the Chinese to buy your frozen fish.

[Duff Paddy]

So British Fishermen who fish in EU waters are f*cked in January and British Fishermen who sell to the EU market are probably f*cked as well. Can anyone tell me who the winner is???

The rest of the world .......

The British consumer.......

The fish .......

The consumer? The reason you guys export so much is that British people don't want to eat that much fish to begin with and when they do, it's really only specific species. You won't change people's tastes.
It's a disaster for British fishermen selling on to the continent.

They’ll sell it to China ...... don’t you panic yet.

Probably shouldn’t have shit on Huawei so

[iarmhiman]

So British Fishermen who fish in EU waters are f*cked in January and British Fishermen who sell to the EU market are probably f*cked as well. Can anyone tell me who the winner is???

The rest of the world .......

The British consumer.......

The fish .......

The consumer? The reason you guys export so much is that British people don't want to eat that much fish to begin with and when they do, it's really only specific species. You won't change people's tastes.
It's a disaster for British fishermen selling on to the continent.

They’ll sell it to China ...... don’t you panic yet.

Probably shouldn’t have shit on Huawei so

I know we're piling in here but that Huawei decision was a correct one

[Duff Paddy]

Shut up kid

[iarmhiman]

Shut up kid

I'm the signals engineer here who works on this sort of stuff so you stay down

[bimboman]

So British Fishermen who fish in EU waters are f*cked in January and British Fishermen who sell to the EU market are probably f*cked as well. Can anyone tell me who the winner is???

The rest of the world .......

The British consumer.......

The fish .......

The consumer? The reason you guys export so much is that British people don't want to eat that much fish to begin with and when they do, it's really only specific species. You won't change people's tastes.
It's a disaster for British fishermen selling on to the continent.

They’ll sell it to China ...... don’t you panic yet.

They've just put tariffs on Aussie wine the Chinese.

I take it your government won't be mouthing off about Hong Kong then if you need the Chinese to buy your frozen fish.

They like fish a lot more than wine. Either way the choice should be our and governed by our votes as a country in future.

[Duff Paddy]

Shut up kid

I'm the signals engineer here who works on this sort of stuff so you stay down

Of course it was the right decision you bloody thick

[iarmhiman]

Shut up kid

I'm the signals engineer here who works on this sort of stuff so you stay down

Of course it was the right decision you bloody thick

Stick to medicine . You know nothing about telecoms.

[ChipSpike]

So British Fishermen who fish in EU waters are f*cked in January and British Fishermen who sell to the EU market are probably f*cked as well. Can anyone tell me who the winner is???

The rest of the world .......

The British consumer.......

The fish .......

The consumer? The reason you guys export so much is that British people don't want to eat that much fish to begin with and when they do, it's really only specific species. You won't change people's tastes.
It's a disaster for British fishermen selling on to the continent.

Is it? Fish tariffs range from 0 - 20%, averaging at 8% apparently. How are the EU fish wholesalers going to replace the UK EEZ catch, without paying the tariffs anyway? And we know how much they love their fresh fish and shellfish. I expect prices will rise for the EU consumer. Also the EU eats a lot of Norwegian fish, which are tariffed.

[Duff Paddy]

Shut up kid

I'm the signals engineer here who works on this sort of stuff so you stay down

Of course it was the right decision you bloody thick

Stick to medicine . You know nothing about telecoms.

I don’t do medicine.

These two statements are both true:
1. The decision to ban Huawei was correct
2. That decision will weaken the UK’s negotiating position with China

[iarmhiman]

Shut up kid

I'm the signals engineer here who works on this sort of stuff so you stay down

Of course it was the right decision you bloody thick

Stick to medicine . You know nothing about telecoms.

I don’t do medicine.

These two statements are both true:
1. The decision to ban Huawei was correct
2. That decision will weaken the UK’s negotiating position with China

So i said (1) and you said (2).

And you tell me to shut up after i said (1) . Makes sense

[Duff Paddy]

I said shut up because we were playing with Bimbo. Jesus somebody get iarmhi a coffee

[iarmhiman]

I said shut up because we were playing with Bimbo. Jesus somebody get iarmhi a coffee

Apologies it just had an Anon Joe arrogant know it all feel about the post.

[Duff Paddy]

I said shut up because we were playing with Bimbo. Jesus somebody get iarmhi a coffee

Apologies it just had an Anon Joe arrogant know it all feel about the post.

Yeah I’m working on that apologies

[Yer Man]

I don't know . Fishing doesn't make much money though. Can't see how this could stall a trade deal

As I understand it, only about 30% of the fish caught in British waters are actually caught by British Fishermen.
But of that 30%, only about 30-35% is sold to the UK market - the vast majority is sold... to the EU.


A no deal Brexit would mean the rest of the EU loses access to to fish in UK waters - but UK fishermen would lose (tariff free) access to most of their markets, i.e. more expensive and would lose market share.
So the current arrangement is access for access... if one is lost then both will be lost.


The State Subsidy issue is puzzling given that
a) UK Conservatives were among the main drivers in establishing such EU rules in the first place - and the Tories traditionally oppose Government subsidy to Industry
b) The UK-Japan Trade Deal apparently includes rules on subsidy that are actually more restrictive than the EU rules


I'm guessing the main motivation is for Boris et al to find something (anything) that they can hold up as a "win!" Making such a big deal out of such a miniscule segment of the Economy does suggest that wins are proving hard to come by.

The state subsidies issue isn’t about what the subsidy is, it’s about who and how the rules are governed, the EU are insisting that their courts are the arbitrator even after we have left. That’s stupidly unacceptable to any sovereign nation.

"What's that Sir? You'd like to book a round at 9am on Monday.
I'm terribly sorry sir, but since you're no longer a member at this Golf Club, you must play as a Visitor.
And Visitors are only permitted to play after 1pm on Tuesday and Thursday.
Now stop making a fuss before I give you the John Terry treatment."

[ChipSpike]

I don't know . Fishing doesn't make much money though. Can't see how this could stall a trade deal

As I understand it, only about 30% of the fish caught in British waters are actually caught by British Fishermen.
But of that 30%, only about 30-35% is sold to the UK market - the vast majority is sold... to the EU.


A no deal Brexit would mean the rest of the EU loses access to to fish in UK waters - but UK fishermen would lose (tariff free) access to most of their markets, i.e. more expensive and would lose market share.
So the current arrangement is access for access... if one is lost then both will be lost.


The State Subsidy issue is puzzling given that
a) UK Conservatives were among the main drivers in establishing such EU rules in the first place - and the Tories traditionally oppose Government subsidy to Industry
b) The UK-Japan Trade Deal apparently includes rules on subsidy that are actually more restrictive than the EU rules


I'm guessing the main motivation is for Boris et al to find something (anything) that they can hold up as a "win!" Making such a big deal out of such a miniscule segment of the Economy does suggest that wins are proving hard to come by.

The state subsidies issue isn’t about what the subsidy is, it’s about who and how the rules are governed, the EU are insisting that their courts are the arbitrator even after we have left. That’s stupidly unacceptable to any sovereign nation.

"What's that Sir? You'd like to book a round at 9am on Monday.
I'm terribly sorry sir, but since you're no longer a member at this Golf Club, you must play as a Visitor.
And Visitors are only permitted to play after 1pm on Tuesday and Thursday.
Now stop making a fuss before I give you the John Terry treatment."

If you're talking about EU fishermen, you have it right.