Jerome Garces

HANDSOMECAKE · Post by **HANDSOMECAKE** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:19 pm

This guy hasn’t got a clue what he has doing .

Please discuss

HKCJ · Post by **HKCJ** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:21 pm

100% agree but probably for different reasons

sockwithaticket · Post by **sockwithaticket** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:24 pm

HKCJ wrote:100% agree but probably for different reasons

+1

Miguel Indurain · Post by **Miguel Indurain** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:24 pm

Paddy O'Brien esque.

danny_fitz · Post by **danny_fitz** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:26 pm

And we're off

sonic_attack · Post by **sonic_attack** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:28 pm

Just been thinking the same thing. All three games today have been real bad, shockingly bad.

Jeff the Bear · Post by **Jeff the Bear** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:31 pm

What I want to know is, have the ruck laws changed, or did I not understand them to start with. Several times tonight SA have rucked beyond the ball, and because there are no AB's there, they've gone a couple of foot too far, and then Savea has just walked around them and started ripping the ball.

I thought the new rules were that once anyone got over the ball, the ruck was set and no one was to touch the ball (even if the ruck sorts of squirts to one side or another, nominally leaving the ball and scrulhalf exposed). That's how it seemed to be reffed in thr 6N.

Derwyn · Post by **Derwyn** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:35 pm

Terrible

Big Nipper · Post by **Big Nipper** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:36 pm

Please don't tell me this multi is one of ours?

Sards?

ThetfordThor · Post by **ThetfordThor** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:38 pm

When SA were getting back on top in the second-half they were just a few metres out from the NZ line under the posts - Garces looked away from the ruck just as NZ pulled the tackled SA player back over to their side for a turnover. You could see Garces turn his head back wondering how the ball got on that side. Blatant cheating missed in an instant.

Clog50Percent · Post by **Clog50Percent** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:39 pm

He did SA more favours surely

BlueThunder · Post by **BlueThunder** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:43 pm

Poor Ardie was carrying Boks around like necklesses, didn't slow him down though.

HKCJ · Post by **HKCJ** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:44 pm

I think Garces has take a leaf out of the statistics playbook and is aware that using the laws of large numbers data will eventually revert to the mean and thus if he makes so many errors that usually by the end of a match it will have evened up and not just favour one side

CrazyIslander · Post by **CrazyIslander** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:47 pm

Tbf that would've been a very hard game to ref because of its helter skelter nature

Miguel Indurain · Post by **Miguel Indurain** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:49 pm

He should not be permitted to ref in the professional game.

IRB are the problem.

Yourmother · Post by **Yourmother** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:50 pm

The blatant infringement in the red zone to prevent a likely try.

No card. No pen try.

However I hate the amount of cards being handed out these days, so it was bitter sweet for me.

GotheCanes · Post by **GotheCanes** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:52 pm

He saw Ardie's knock on but let the Saffa hold on to the ball for about a week.

Nice of him to let the Saffa have a rest before ever set piece - enough time to chuck an ad on the telly if they wanted

Vahian · Post by **Vahian** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:54 pm

Yourmother wrote:The blatant infringement in the red zone to prevent a likely try.

No card. No pen try.

However I hate the amount of cards being handed out these days, so it was bitter sweet for me.

Your doing it wrong! It was clearly no penalty and the All Black should of been sent off for trying to milk one.

Vahian · Post by **Vahian** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:56 pm

Jeff the Bear wrote:What I want to know is, have the ruck laws changed, or did I not understand them to start with. Several times tonight SA have rucked beyond the ball, and because there are no AB's there, they've gone a couple of foot too far, and then Savea has just walked around them and started ripping the ball.

I thought the new rules were that once anyone got over the ball, the ruck was set and no one was to touch the ball (even if the ruck sorts of squirts to one side or another, nominally leaving the ball and scrulhalf exposed). That's how it seemed to be reffed in thr 6N.

Pretty sure your supposed to at least try and stay on your feet as well but that barely gets a mention now.

HANDSOMECAKE · Post by **HANDSOMECAKE** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:03 pm

Mostert hit a ruck in first half like he was bungee jumping . It was laughable

Magpie26 · Post by **Magpie26** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:03 pm

It's pretty farcical that this guy has been seen as a top ref for so long.

You just know he is going to have a couple of shocker calls every game, but the PSDT one was a bit special.

Sprig · Post by **Sprig** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:05 pm

Vahian wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:What I want to know is, have the ruck laws changed, or did I not understand them to start with. Several times tonight SA have rucked beyond the ball, and because there are no AB's there, they've gone a couple of foot too far, and then Savea has just walked around them and started ripping the ball.

I thought the new rules were that once anyone got over the ball, the ruck was set and no one was to touch the ball (even if the ruck sorts of squirts to one side or another, nominally leaving the ball and scrulhalf exposed). That's how it seemed to be reffed in thr 6N.
Pretty sure your supposed to at least try and stay on your feet as well but that barely gets a mention now.

I thought that rule had gone?

pjm1 · Post by **pjm1** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:09 pm

Nope.

To answer an earlier question: a ruck is still ruck but the thing that changed is offside at the tackle - you now have to come through the gate even for that.

Blake · Post by **Blake** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:16 pm

BlueThunder wrote:Poor Ardie was carrying Boks around like necklesses, didn't slow him down though.

I think the Boks got away with a lot today. High tackles for sure, and the Mapimpi call was wrong IMO. Yellow card. Clearly cynical play.

But the All Blacks got most of the calls at ruck time, scrum time and a couple of mauls.

Some say this evens things out. Maybe they are right. Personally I just want team to play by the same rules. Garces made a lot of mistakes out there today.

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:19 pm

Very poor ref, and sadly its been said before its gonna cost a team going out the standard has to improve.

blackblackblack · Post by **blackblackblack** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:32 pm

i hope rassie opines on the refereeing throughout the tournament, hopefully eddie will too.

jdogscoop · Post by **jdogscoop** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:35 pm

I'm surprised.

Usually he whistles us off the park.

Tonight we brought a blanket, popcorn, and watched the whole movie.

It was sweet.

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:36 pm

blackblackblack wrote:i hope rassie opines on the refereeing throughout the tournament, hopefully eddie will too.

Stick to the English language, please.

Brian9848 · Post by **Brian9848** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:36 pm

He doesn't require players to support their own bodyweight
He doesn't require players to have to stay on their feet
He doesn't insist tacklers release and role away immediately.
He doesn't require players to come through "the gate"

As a result, breakdowns are a joke.

He is the worst ref in the game, and it's just ridiculous that he remains on the Test panel.

Mr Mike · Post by **Mr Mike** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:38 pm

Jérôme has a 9-4 penalty count in favor of NZ in 2019 and he is a very poor ref.

Clive wrote:Very poor ref, and sadly its been said before its gonna cost a team going out the standard has to improve.

Jérôme has a 14-6 penalty count against NZ in 2015 and he should get the final.

Clive wrote:
c69 wrote:
towny wrote:
Clive wrote:Wrong bloke for the game.
Who's the right bloke?
For you? Barnes would be perfect.
Not a fan of Nige myself tbh
He loves the sound of his own voice, and Garces has been the best so far.

Tehui · Post by **Tehui** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:40 pm

After every test match, posters queue up in their droves to criticise the referee's performance.

Don't ever change PR.

saffer13 · Post by **saffer13** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:55 pm

jdogscoop wrote:I'm surprised.

Usually he whistles us off the park.

Tonight we brought a blanket, popcorn, and watched the whole movie.

It was sweet.

You shouldn’t be surprised. As posted on the match thread, when Garces is reffing SA vs NZ we are 0/6 against you. 4/10 overall with him as a ref. He was true to form today.

Yourmother · Post by **Yourmother** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:07 pm

Tehui wrote:After every test match, posters queue up in their droves to criticise the referee's performance.

Don't ever change PR.

Oh and congrats on your win today Tehui

Clog50Percent · Post by **Clog50Percent** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:13 pm

Garces tried his very best to give both teams the win, one of the fairest bit reffing Ive seen in a long long time despite some obvious wrong calls.

Tehui · Post by **Tehui** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:31 pm

Yourmother wrote:
Tehui wrote:After every test match, posters queue up in their droves to criticise the referee's performance.

Don't ever change PR.
Oh and congrats on your win today Tehui

Aw shucks, I was just at the right place at the right time.

BlackMac · Post by **BlackMac** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:40 pm

Brian9848 wrote:He doesn't require players to support their own bodyweight
He doesn't require players to have to stay on their feet
He doesn't insist tacklers release and role away immediately.
He doesn't require players to come through "the gate"

As a result, breakdowns are a joke.

He is the worst ref in the game, and it's just ridiculous that he remains on the Test panel.

This, and this again.

Petrus · Post by **Petrus** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:44 pm

BlackMac wrote:
Brian9848 wrote:He doesn't require players to support their own bodyweight
He doesn't require players to have to stay on their feet
He doesn't insist tacklers release and role away immediately.
He doesn't require players to come through "the gate"

As a result, breakdowns are a joke.

He is the worst ref in the game, and it's just ridiculous that he remains on the Test panel.

This, and this again.

Who is the best ?

Flametop · Post by **Flametop** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:16 pm

Seemed to ping SA off the park today.

True Blue · Post by **True Blue** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:18 pm

This is great news. If people are whinging about the ref again looks like a three peat coming up.

Mr Mike · Post by **Mr Mike** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:18 pm

True Blue wrote:This is great news. If people are whinging about the ref again looks like a three peat coming up.

It is rather satisfying.