All Blacks V England RWC Semi Final Match Thread.

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kiwigreg369 wrote:
I think the Al Blacks are just lucky the best fullback in England was not picked.
Mitchell has form for casting aside quality fullbacks....

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naki wrote:A bit of a lol here from Lol ...
He felt England had performed with the "power of a typhoon" in dispatching the Wallabies
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they destroyed them much like some of the houses we have passed in the train
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Wendigo7 wrote:Can referees ref the same team twice in consecutive games?

I'd presume if it's Owens/Barnes/Garces, they tend to save them for the final.

In which case I reckon we'll get Gardner.
I doubt Barnes is going any further, after today.
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NZ TAB odds are up

New Zealand $1.38 / 19/50
England $2.85 / 37/20
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JPNZ wrote:NZ TAB odds are up

New Zealand $1.38 / 19/50
England $2.85 / 37/20
We might as well not turn up
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ManInTheBar wrote:Plenty of AB confidence here. I hope your players underestimate our players as you are doing
I tried to warn the Irish what was coming. They didn't listen.

I'm always confident about the ABs. They rarely Let me down. If England are good enough to beat them, fair enough. I don't think they will though. Time will tell.
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capt hurricane wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:
I think the Al Blacks are just lucky the best fullback in England was not picked.
Mitchell has form for casting aside quality fullbacks....

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To be fair, he got the tap, it was time to put Cullen out to pasture.

And on that note, here’s the tap for you.
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Does anyone else think that one of the "tactical" reasons Cane was pulled at half time is because Hansen knew the Irish were broken and he wanted to save him for what is going to be an absolute torrid time against the English back row this weekend?
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Excited for this match. The best 2 sides at the tourny, playing great rugby.

I think the All Blacks will get it done, if not I'd hope England win the final -as both sa and wales are fairly boring to watch atm.
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happyhooker wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:
pigaaaa wrote:
croyals wrote:I think we can very genuinely do this. We ought to be able to achieve at least parity up front, which means we’ll get quick ball. NZ’s defence is strong but I think out wide we are as good as anyone, so can at the very least force NZ back and to give penalties. Faz knocks them over and then back our defence, we missed broken field tackles yesterday but fronted up excellently whilst organised.

Not all that often the team with the worse goal kicker wins a knockout game. Week out hubris, cock on the block - England by 6.
That’s how I see it happening tbf. Also the AB seem to have a habit of following great games with ones that are a bit off. I would be quietly optimistic if I were an England fan.

What’s the weather going to be like?
Have to admit I see it as a coin flip of a game. Discipline will be key for the ABs. They haven't really been pressured this RWC and England can bring that. Give away penalties and Farrell bangs them over and it won't be easy.
I'm worried we're undercooked.

Argentina were drab. Australia not that much better.

Think next week might be a shock to the system. My most positive mood has us at 30% chance maximum
I wouldn’t agree. Both teams are benefiting from not having to play the 4th round and it will be full on. The Wobs were no walk over. The English played well. Didn’t buckle when the pressure was on and are a hard nut to crack.
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The Aussies were shit. If the all blacks start running out of their 22 I'll be ecstatic
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happyhooker wrote:The Aussies were shit. If the all blacks start running out of their 22 I'll be ecstatic
With 10 or more players in the joint first 15 why would you not?
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happyhooker wrote:
JPNZ wrote:NZ TAB odds are up

New Zealand $1.38 / 19/50
England $2.85 / 37/20
We might as well not turn up
I think that would be best for everyone
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pandion wrote:Who's likely to ref?

You know it will be Romain
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Its a shame it can't be Barnes and it won't be Owens. The RFU will pull strings and we'll probably have Garces or Poite.
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ManInTheBar wrote:
happyhooker wrote:The Aussies were shit. If the all blacks start running out of their 22 I'll be ecstatic
With 10 or more players in the joint first 15 why would you not?
Hang on, where are you from again?
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happyhooker wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
happyhooker wrote:The Aussies were shit. If the all blacks start running out of their 22 I'll be ecstatic
With 10 or more players in the joint first 15 why would you not?
Hang on, where are you from again?
Muswell Hill originally. Now Suffolk. You?
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Enzedder wrote:
pandion wrote:Who's likely to ref?

You know it will be Romain
You have a horrible filthy mouth :x
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ManInTheBar wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
happyhooker wrote:The Aussies were shit. If the all blacks start running out of their 22 I'll be ecstatic
With 10 or more players in the joint first 15 why would you not?
Hang on, where are you from again?
Muswell Hill originally. Now Suffolk. You?
Muswell Hill? Go to school locally?
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merlin the happy pig wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
pandion wrote:Who's likely to ref?

You know it will be Romain
You have a horrible filthy mouth :x
It'll be Jerome - he got a ref bonus point for throwing Skeen under the bus and then backing up over his nuts
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Yourmother wrote:
capt hurricane wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:
I think the Al Blacks are just lucky the best fullback in England was not picked.
Mitchell has form for casting aside quality fullbacks....

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To be fair, he got the tap, it was time to put Cullen out to pasture.

And on that note, here’s the tap for you.
Ah, if only this thread wasn't self selecting.
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ManInTheBar wrote:Plenty of AB confidence here. I hope your players underestimate our players as you are doing
Confidence in our team isn't the same as underestimating your team.

The AB's win around 90% of their games. It would be foolish not to think they have an excellent chance on Saturday. But we know it's far from certain. England looked very impressive in their win over Oz, and most of us are expecting this to be an epic battle.

If the game lives up to our expectations it should be very exciting. :)
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Unstoppable force meets immovable object.

Kiwis slight favourites on account of the 10% extra they get from their fans. They’re the difference makers.
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ManInTheBar wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
happyhooker wrote:The Aussies were shit. If the all blacks start running out of their 22 I'll be ecstatic
With 10 or more players in the joint first 15 why would you not?
Hang on, where are you from again?
Muswell Hill originally. Now Suffolk. You?
Sorry, misread your post.

Muswell hill eh? That's the poshest part of London bereft of decent pubs. Terrible place.
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Quick head to head

Front row - Adv Eng
Locks - Adv NZ
Backrow - Even
Halves - Adv NZ
Centres - Even
Back three - Adv NZ
Bench - Even
Scrum - Adv Eng
Lineout - Adv Eng
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Willie Falloon wrote:A match worthy of a final.

2 best teams in the competition for me.
On current form, I’d agree. Massive choke for either team if they don’t win the thing.
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saffer13 wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:A match worthy of a final.

2 best teams in the competition for me.
On current form, I’d agree. Massive choke for either team if they don’t win the thing.
Two best teams in the competition playing each other, there will be a winner and a loser, yet it'll be a massive choke if either doesn't win the tournament? Not great logic there.

Unless you mean the victor of that semi- final doesn't win the thing.
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saffer13 wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:A match worthy of a final.

2 best teams in the competition for me.
On current form, I’d agree. Massive choke for either team if they don’t win the thing.
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The Native wrote:
saffer13 wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:A match worthy of a final.

2 best teams in the competition for me.
On current form, I’d agree. Massive choke for either team if they don’t win the thing.
Two best teams in the competition playing each other, there will be a winner and a loser, yet it'll be a massive choke if either doesn't win the tournament? Not great logic there.

Unless you mean the victor of that semi- final doesn't win the thing.
Yes...if the winner of this semi doesn’t win the final it will be a choke. Clear enough now?
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piquant wrote:
Peteray wrote:England surprised me how good they were across the park against the Wallabies. My distinct ray of sunshine though is the way that the centres were left dead in broken field stuff, and I think that's where we can make big gains. The England scrum and lineout are good, so a lot will come down to accuracy and goal-kicking. AB's by not much and then a whale of a final against the SAFAs.
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The Native wrote:Quick head to head

Front row - Adv Eng
Locks - Adv NZ
Backrow - Even
Halves - Adv NZ
Centres - Even
Back three - Adv NZ
Bench - Even
Scrum - Adv Eng
Lineout - Adv Eng

How is the English lineout better when they only have two jumpers?

Plus you said advantage NZ with regards to locks?
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Grandpa wrote:
The Native wrote:Quick head to head

Front row - Adv Eng
Locks - Adv NZ
Backrow - Even
Halves - Adv NZ
Centres - Even
Back three - Adv NZ
Bench - Even
Scrum - Adv Eng
Lineout - Adv Eng

How is the English lineout better when they only have two jumpers?

Plus you said advantage NZ with regards to locks?
The English have a better lineout than Ireland, Ireland's lineout was better than ours in the QF. Our locks are better players than theirs, just. The lineout is a collective effort from the hooker and the rest of the forward pack.
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saffer13 wrote:
The Native wrote:
saffer13 wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:A match worthy of a final.

2 best teams in the competition for me.
On current form, I’d agree. Massive choke for either team if they don’t win the thing.
Two best teams in the competition playing each other, there will be a winner and a loser, yet it'll be a massive choke if either doesn't win the tournament? Not great logic there.

Unless you mean the victor of that semi- final doesn't win the thing.
Yes...if the winner of this semi doesn’t win the final it will be a choke. Clear enough now?
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The Native wrote:Does anyone else think that one of the "tactical" reasons Cane was pulled at half time is because Hansen knew the Irish were broken and he wanted to save him for what is going to be an absolute torrid time against the English back row this weekend?
Yep...Hansen pretty much admitted as much.

"When you've got the bench we've got the thought behind it is we can add something different to the game and change the picture a little bit and we were happy with how it went too," said Hansen.

"At that point you're looking to make sure you've got people left with plenty in their engine if you get the opportunity to play in the semifinal."
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My memory of the AI match was England were all over NZ in the first half then Realtik and Whitlock won a couple of line-outs, George seemed to lose all his confidence throwing and yet England's halfbacks kept kicking to touch and somehow NZ's 2nd half dominance in the line-out led to a famous escape act. So being English I'm hoping somethings improved since then.
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yiman wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
pandion wrote:Who's likely to ref?

You know it will be Romain
You have a horrible filthy mouth :x
It'll be Jerome - he got a ref bonus point for throwing Skeen under the bus and then backing up over his nuts
Bugger the gold watch - he deserves a gold grandfatherfecking clock for that
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Raison D'etre wrote:My memory of the AI match was England were all over NZ in the first half then Realtik and Whitlock won a couple of line-outs, George seemed to lose all his confidence throwing and yet England's halfbacks kept kicking to touch and somehow NZ's 2nd half dominance in the line-out led to a famous escape act. So being English I'm hoping somethings improved since then.
Yep. And 12 months ago Ireland kept the All Blacks tryless. A year is a long time in Rugby.
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The Native wrote:
Raison D'etre wrote:My memory of the AI match was England were all over NZ in the first half then Realtik and Whitlock won a couple of line-outs, George seemed to lose all his confidence throwing and yet England's halfbacks kept kicking to touch and somehow NZ's 2nd half dominance in the line-out led to a famous escape act. So being English I'm hoping somethings improved since then.
Yep. And 12 months ago Ireland kept the All Blacks tryless. A year is a long time in Rugby.
well sure, but I'd have said that Itoje and Lawes (or will it be Kruis?) are not as dominant jumpers as Realtik & Whitlock but might be better elsewhere.
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The Native wrote:
Raison D'etre wrote:My memory of the AI match was England were all over NZ in the first half then Realtik and Whitlock won a couple of line-outs, George seemed to lose all his confidence throwing and yet England's halfbacks kept kicking to touch and somehow NZ's 2nd half dominance in the line-out led to a famous escape act. So being English I'm hoping somethings improved since then.
Yep. And 12 months ago Ireland kept the All Blacks tryless. A year is a long time in Rugby.
Don’t forget Barrett’s faultless day from the tee against a flaky Farrell.
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