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Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:56 pm
by Couch
One of the most farcical cards ever..

He went full retard.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:28 pm
by ihavenopantson
Todd was onside and done nothing wrong, then after wrongfully penalising Nigel calls for the tmo to have a look at it but just gives a yellow and never talks with the tmo.
Was a complete circus

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:16 am
by BlueThunder
ihavenopantson wrote:Todd was onside and done nothing wrong, then after wrongfully penalising Nigel calls for the tmo to have a look at it but just gives a yellow and never talks with the tmo.
Was a complete circus
TMO immediately agreed with Nigel.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:23 am
by sonic_attack
Yeah I don't get it myself. Nige clearly said offside, he even said it twice. I can only assume he's gotten his feathers ruffled and confused himself, he might have truely believed Todd was offside but used TMO to check anyway and he clearly wasn't. He then waffled to the TMO about offside too. What the fudge was he actually on about?

I'm not sure if you can just drop in front of the post to stop a ball placed against it, I don't see how that's any different to flopping under a player over the line to hold a try up.
I don't know if I've ever seen that scenario before.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:26 am
by RoscoPColtrain
Nige just bottled it. He originally gave the penalty try and yellow for the player stopping the try by being “clearly offside”. He then said the TMO agrees then I guess he finally actually saw the footage himself as they were running back and realised he’d f**ked up and said “erm ah yep no arms tackle too!”

It was a meaningless call in the greater scheme of things but just a bit concerning to see a ref like Owens losing the plot over a call like that. He seemed to want to be a bit of a star himself at times during that match and make some clever calls (like the penalty reversal).

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:30 am
by True Blue
Was quite a weird thing. Todd kinda flopped in front of the post to stop him grounding it. Not sure if that is legal or not.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:30 am
by Akkerman
maybe he was sickened to the very core by that blatant & cynical display of cheating, much like many of us innocent, neutral viewers
he gets a pass from me

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:32 am
by True Blue

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:37 am
by TEDS
He had a funny old day. When he was looking at the BB try from Reece's tackle that dislodged the ball, he was talking himself through it with the TMO. Nig was convinced that Reece's head had knocked the ball loose" so he was looking for offside from the next AB to touch it. I'm listening to him while desperately trying not to throw my beer at the TV. He carried on like this for about 15 secs, before finally the TMO got a word in edgeways to stop him and point out the Reece hadn't touched the ball! That must have been because he heard me screaming at him from my couch.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:37 am
by Enzedder
True Blue wrote:https://youtu.be/Ffi4JN896JM?t=868

Here it is by the way
Not available in NZ. Where's Kid A with his highly legal gifs

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:37 am
by Grandpa
A no arms tackle would be the only foul I could see...

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:41 am
by Mr Mike
I think he got confused with SBW.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:42 am
by Ali's Choice
Owens had a good match overall, but I felt that when the margin blew out he tended to favour Ireland a bit. As if he was trying to manufacture a closer scoreline. That was weird. Imagine a RWC final was decided on that Matt Todd penalty try decision.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:42 am
by True Blue
Mr Mike wrote:I think he got confused with SBW.
Yes SBW was hovering offside, although he wasn't part of the play and therefore refs tend to ignore those players.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:46 am
by Enzedder
Mr Mike wrote:I think he got confused with SBW.

Nope because he then wibbled something about a no-arrrrms tuckle.
Imagine a RWC final was decided on that Matt Todd penalty try decision.
I wonder if that decision will cost him any chance of a final

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:48 am
by RoscoPColtrain
The weirdest thing was the TMO immediately agreed with Owens call about him being offside.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:57 am
by simon7
Part of the reason Todd tackled like he did was that he hurt his left shoulder a ruck or before and was heavily favouring it. Strange decision with the offside call though.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:06 am
by Mr Mike
True Blue wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:I think he got confused with SBW.
Yes SBW was hovering offside, although he wasn't part of the play and therefore refs tend to ignore those players.
He should, but I suspect he got “offside” in his mind and then pinged Todd. Hopefully WR will clarify it as there will be some fans very confused by the call.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:21 am
by RoscoPColtrain
Mr Mike wrote:
True Blue wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:I think he got confused with SBW.
Yes SBW was hovering offside, although he wasn't part of the play and therefore refs tend to ignore those players.
He should, but I suspect he got “offside” in his mind and then pinged Todd. Hopefully WR will clarify it as there will be some fans very confused by the call.
I’ll try and watch it again today but on first viewing a lot of that game was reffed really weirdly, especially after the scoreline blew out.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:34 am
by Ali's Choice
Just rewatched the game. I'm still gobsmacked with Owens's decision against Todd. WR need to clarify the decision asap.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:35 am
by jdogscoop
Ali's Choice wrote:Just rewatched the game. I'm still gobsmacked with Owens's decision against Todd. WR need to clarify the decision asap.
Who'd be a ref?

You control a game beautifully, and then after a massive brainfart it's all anyone talks about.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:36 am
by jdogscoop
RoscoPColtrain wrote:The weirdest thing was the TMO immediately agreed with Owens call about him being offside.
That's not uncommon. They're typically timid individuals, scared of making a mistake on the big stage. That means they generally agree with the referee 9.5 times out of ten.

Which made it even weirder for him to overrule Owens earlier in the same game.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:38 am
by Enzedder
jdogscoop wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:Just rewatched the game. I'm still gobsmacked with Owens's decision against Todd. WR need to clarify the decision asap.
Who'd be a ref?

You control a game beautifully, and then after a massive brainfart it's all anyone talks about.
Tis always the case - ask Stephen Donald

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:40 am
by grubberkick
He reffed what he thought he saw, bit like the headed ball.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:41 am
by jdogscoop
Enzedder wrote:
jdogscoop wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:Just rewatched the game. I'm still gobsmacked with Owens's decision against Todd. WR need to clarify the decision asap.
Who'd be a ref?

You control a game beautifully, and then after a massive brainfart it's all anyone talks about.
Tis always the case - ask Stephen Donald
Ploise exploin.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:42 am
by Enzedder
I don't dare!! :lol: :lol:

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:58 am
by Chilli
New Zealand win by 40 points, make it into the semi finals and then whine about the ref. :roll:

Will it never stop?

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:00 am
by Ali's Choice
Chilli wrote:New Zealand win by 40 points, make it into the semi finals and then whine about the ref. :roll:

Will it never stop?
Oh do f**k off. I have already said Owens refereed well overall. But the Todd YC was surreal.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:01 am
by CrazyIslander
We need a gif

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:15 am
by 4071
Mr Mike wrote:
True Blue wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:I think he got confused with SBW.
Yes SBW was hovering offside, although he wasn't part of the play and therefore refs tend to ignore those players.
He should, but I suspect he got “offside” in his mind and then pinged Todd. Hopefully WR will clarify it as there will be some fans very confused by the call.
I thought this too. But having awarded the PT so quickly, denying Wales the chance to play advantage, I think he was then looking to make the call correct, rather than make the correct call.

There was an undoubted penalty for SBW offside, but it wasn't that which prevented the try. So no PT.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:29 am
by DragsterDriver
I need correcting by a ref but I don’t see anything that stops you using any body part to prevent a try being grounded and the base of the post is in goal.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:34 am
by Chilli
Ali's Choice wrote:
Chilli wrote:New Zealand win by 40 points, make it into the semi finals and then whine about the ref. :roll:

Will it never stop?
Oh do f**k off. I have already said Owens refereed well overall. But the Todd YC was surreal.
Have a good cry.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:35 am
by Ali's Choice
Chilli wrote:Have a good cry.
Cry? My team just had an amazing win in a QF against Ireland. Why would I be crying?

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:45 am
by eugenius
South Africans can only dream of playing such rugby .

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:46 am
by Mr Mike
4071 wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
True Blue wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:I think he got confused with SBW.
Yes SBW was hovering offside, although he wasn't part of the play and therefore refs tend to ignore those players.
He should, but I suspect he got “offside” in his mind and then pinged Todd. Hopefully WR will clarify it as there will be some fans very confused by the call.
I thought this too. But having awarded the PT so quickly, denying Wales the chance to play advantage, I think he was then looking to make the call correct, rather than make the correct call.
I’m not convinced about the quality of your observational skills... ;)

My point here isn’t about criticism of Refs, it’s the tendency of fans to run with faulty interpretations. WR clarification would be helpful if they help fans understand actual laws, like offside and in goal.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:47 am
by Fat Old Git
c69 wrote:
Chilli wrote:New Zealand win by 40 points, make it into the semi finals and then whine about the ref. :roll:

Will it never stop?
:lol: I know what a precious bunch of twats
No one is whining about it. They're just trying to understand a call in an unusual situation that most haven't seen before.

Only a precious twat would think anyone was seriously having a whinge about the ref.

:P

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:51 am
by DragsterDriver
Yeah it’s not a ref whinge, it’s a strange one. Woolf like to hear Hong Kong or element freak give an interpretation :thumbup:

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:57 am
by Chilli
Ali's Choice wrote:
Chilli wrote:Have a good cry.
Cry? My team just had an amazing win in a QF against Ireland. Why would I be crying?
Cry, whinge, whine it is all the same. You put 40 over Ireland. Stop complaining x(

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:00 am
by Chilli
eugenius wrote:South Africans can only dream of playing such rugby .
Correct. And if we did and won by 40 points I would hope that we wouldn't be bitching about a legitimate ref and TMO decision.

Re: Nigel Owens yellow card

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:07 am
by mr bungle
Chilli wrote:
eugenius wrote:South Africans can only dream of playing such rugby .
Correct. And if we did and won by 40 points I would hope that we wouldn't be bitching about a legitimate ref and TMO decision.
I personally thought it was an unusual decision and not explained logically. He wasn’t offside for starters. It’s not really a whinge when most are talking about it as having no impact on this game, but imagine it in a tight, crucial game.