RWC 2019 Final: England vs South Africa Match Thread

openclashXX · Post by **openclashXX** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:12 pm

The Big One

Kickoff:
02 November 2019
18:00 Japanese time
09:00 GMT

Venue: International Stadium, Yohohama

Teams:

England

England: 15. Elliot Daly, 14. Anthony Watson, 13. Manu Tuilagi, 12. Owen Farrell (c), 11. Jonny May, 10. George Ford, 9. Ben Youngs, 8. Billy Vunipola, 7. Sam Underhill, 6. Tom Curry, 5. Courtney Lawes, 4. Maro Itoje, 3. Kyle Sinckler, 2. Jamie George, 1. Mako Vunipola

Reserves:
16. Luke Cowan-Dickie, 17. Joe Marler, 18. Dan Cole, 19. George Kruis, 20. Mark Wilson, 21. Ben Spencer, 22. Henry Slade, 23. Jonathan Joseph

South Africa

South Africa: 15. Willie Le Roux, 14. Cheslin Kolbe, 13. Lukhanyo Am, 12. Damian de Allende, 11. Makazole Mapimpi, 10. Handre Pollard, 9. Faf de Klerk, 8. Duane Vermeulen, 7. Pieter-Steph Du Toit, 6. Siya Kolisi (c), 5. Lood de Jager, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 3. Frans Malherbe, 2. Mbongeni Mbonambi, 1. Tendai Mtawarira

Reserves:
16. Malcolm Marx, 17. Steven Kitshoff, 18. Vincent Koch, 19. RG Snyman, 20. Franco Mostert, 21. Francois Louw, 22. Herschel Jantjies, 23. Frans Steyn

Referees:

Ref - TBA
ARs - TBA
TMO - TBA

Last five encounters:

3 Nov 2018: England 12 - 11 South Africa
23 June 2018: South Africa 10 - 25 England
16 June 2018: South Africa 23 - 12 England
9 June 2018: South Africa 42 - 39 England
12 Nov 2016: England 37 - 21 South Africa

korben_dallas · Post by **korben_dallas** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:13 pm

England by 20

Flametop · Post by **Flametop** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:13 pm

Bet it’s Nige.

Auckman · Post by **Auckman** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:14 pm

England by plenty.

Masterji · Post by **Masterji** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:17 pm

South Africa can't rely on power to beat Eng because Eng are more powerful, so SA do you have the courage to play?

CrazyIslander · Post by **CrazyIslander** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:20 pm

Extra time win for Boks.

Gazzamonster · Post by **Gazzamonster** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

No disrespect to SA.....but if England play at the same level they did in the semi....this is going to be one of the most one sided finals in the history of the cup.

This could be a 25+ difference easily.

Raison D'etre · Post by **Raison D'etre** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

SA have just the kind of game to cause England problems (as do Wales) - its going to be a very tough final.

CrazyIslander · Post by **CrazyIslander** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Masterji wrote:South Africa can't rely on power to beat Eng because Eng are more powerful, so SA do you have the courage to play?

Not sure about that. The Boks will also have 6 forwards on the bench.

openclashXX · Post by **openclashXX** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

fair play to Chris Robshaw, he called it before the World Cup even started:

04 Sept 2019

Chris Robshaw fancies England or South Africa to win the Rugby World Cup title ahead of the All Blacks.

The Harlequins flanker, who captained England in an ill-fated 2015 World Cup campaign, told The Guardian this week: "I think it will be between England and South Africa."

He said he All Blacks would be "thereabouts, but I like the look of England and South Africa.

Winnie · Post by **Winnie** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:22 pm

According to itv England have already won

bessantj · Post by **bessantj** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:23 pm

Good luck to both teams, give us a final we can all enjoy.

Crazy Ed · Post by **Crazy Ed** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:24 pm

Don't forget that the Boks had the better of all but 10 mins of the All Blacks game this will be a good contest. And won't turn into what we just saw.

Clogs · Post by **Clogs** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:26 pm

England by 20. Here. First.

SaintK · Post by **SaintK** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:26 pm

Winnie wrote:According to itv England have already won

Great! When's the repeat?

Lemoentjie · Post by **Lemoentjie** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:26 pm

England are massive favourites and it will be the chokiest RWC choke ever (even higher than ABs 2007) if they don't win.

We're just pleased to have made it this far.

England by 15.

openclashXX · Post by **openclashXX** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:27 pm

Winnie wrote:According to itv England have already won

this is the ITV coverage with two Welshies and one South African on the panel?

SaintK · Post by **SaintK** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:27 pm

Clogs wrote:England by 20. Here. second.

Fixed
Please see 12 posts up

TheSmurf · Post by **TheSmurf** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:28 pm

All depends on Suzie's performance to be frank.

ovalball · Post by **ovalball** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:31 pm

openclashXX wrote:
Winnie wrote:According to itv England have already won
this is the ITV coverage with two Welshies and one South African on the panel?

Jim Lahey · Post by **Jim Lahey** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:32 pm

England by a lot.

ovalball · Post by **ovalball** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:34 pm

There won't be much in it - one score either way.

bok_viking · Post by **bok_viking** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:41 pm

Gazzamonster wrote:No disrespect to SA.....but if England play at the same level they did in the semi....this is going to be one of the most one sided finals in the history of the cup.

This could be a 25+ difference easily.

Famous claims in 2007 that everyone said England were going to lose by plenty.
Yes England looked impressive, but its a new game with a different set of challenges.

Just a week ago everyone thought England will struggle to live with the AB's

pigaaaa · Post by **pigaaaa** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:45 pm

ovalball wrote:There won't be much in it - one score either way.

Tend to agree. And I’m not even sure it’s going to be England on top at the end either.
Sure they are rightly favourites, but can’t see them putting another flawless display two weeks in a row.

Gazzamonster · Post by **Gazzamonster** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:46 pm

bok_viking wrote:
Gazzamonster wrote:No disrespect to SA.....but if England play at the same level they did in the semi....this is going to be one of the most one sided finals in the history of the cup.

This could be a 25+ difference easily.
Famous claims in 2007 that everyone said England were going to lose by plenty.
Yes England looked impressive, but its a new game with a different set of challenges.

Just a week ago everyone thought England will struggle to live with the AB's

That's why I qualified it with 'if they play at the same level'.

TranceNRG · Post by **TranceNRG** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:46 pm

I'm going for England. Saffers are a very average team. England would be worthy world cup winners.

TranceNRG · Post by **TranceNRG** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:49 pm

Masterji wrote:South Africa can't rely on power to beat Eng because Eng are more powerful, so SA do you have the courage to play?

Not sure they have the backs to do it. I rate England backline higher than Saffers. This is a complete England team but who knows, upsets can happen.

TranceNRG · Post by **TranceNRG** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:51 pm

I feel yesterday's game should have been the final. Easily the 2 best teams in the world right now.

sunnybanana · Post by **sunnybanana** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:52 pm

Morons thinking England “by a lot”

openclashXX · Post by **openclashXX** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:53 pm

England selection for this game is going to again be fascinating - do they beef up the backline like they did vs Australia to counter DDA + Am, or go with the lighter trio of Ford-Farrell-Tuilagi? stick with Lawes at lock or bring in Kruis to counter the South Africans who have basically 4.5 lineout jumpers in their pack?

TranceNRG · Post by **TranceNRG** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:53 pm

sunnybanana wrote:Morons thinking England “by a lot”

Yeah reckon it will be closer than people think but I still don't see SA beating England if England play well.

TranceNRG · Post by **TranceNRG** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:54 pm

openclashXX wrote:England selection for this game is going to again be fascinating - do they beef up the backline like they did vs Australia to counter DDA + Am, or go with the lighter trio of Ford-Farrell-Tuilagi? stick with Lawes at lock or bring in Kruis to counter the South Africans who have basically 4.5 lineout jumpers in their pack?

I'd say stick with the same team.

Hawk97 · Post by **Hawk97** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:54 pm

Winnie wrote:According to itv England have already won

Yeah but, also according to them; AWJ invented the second row and is immortal, so...

Boks by 3

Anonymous 1 · Post by **Anonymous 1** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:54 pm

Winnie wrote:According to itv England have already won

Liar

Hawk97 · Post by **Hawk97** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:55 pm

openclashXX wrote:England selection for this game is going to again be fascinating - do they beef up the backline like they did vs Australia to counter DDA + Am, or go with the lighter trio of Ford-Farrell-Tuilagi? stick with Lawes at lock or bring in Kruis to counter the South Africans who have basically 4.5 lineout jumpers in their pack?

ABs had 4.5 jumpers, didn't they? I prefer Kruis, but would probably stick with this AB-beating formula.

openclashXX · Post by **openclashXX** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:55 pm

TranceNRG wrote:
openclashXX wrote:England selection for this game is going to again be fascinating - do they beef up the backline like they did vs Australia to counter DDA + Am, or go with the lighter trio of Ford-Farrell-Tuilagi? stick with Lawes at lock or bring in Kruis to counter the South Africans who have basically 4.5 lineout jumpers in their pack?
I'd say stick with the same team.

maybe depends if the Boks switch up their team at all too - they might be worried at what Curry + Undertaker did vs NZ at the breakdown and bring in someone to beef up the breakdown a bit (Louw or Marx)

Sefton · Post by **Sefton** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:57 pm

South Africa SH champions against some NH also rans.

South Africa 100% record in RWC finals, England 16.6% (2003 was a draw).

I’ll be pleased if England can be competitive.

Hawk97 · Post by **Hawk97** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:58 pm

openclashXX wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:
openclashXX wrote:England selection for this game is going to again be fascinating - do they beef up the backline like they did vs Australia to counter DDA + Am, or go with the lighter trio of Ford-Farrell-Tuilagi? stick with Lawes at lock or bring in Kruis to counter the South Africans who have basically 4.5 lineout jumpers in their pack?
I'd say stick with the same team.
maybe depends if the Boks switch up their team at all too - they might be worried at what Curry + Undertaker did vs NZ at the breakdown and bring in someone to beef up the breakdown a bit (Louw or Marx)

Excellent. Making the opposition change their winning backrow has worked out for us so far.

TranceNRG · Post by **TranceNRG** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:59 pm

Hawk97 wrote:
openclashXX wrote:England selection for this game is going to again be fascinating - do they beef up the backline like they did vs Australia to counter DDA + Am, or go with the lighter trio of Ford-Farrell-Tuilagi? stick with Lawes at lock or bring in Kruis to counter the South Africans who have basically 4.5 lineout jumpers in their pack?
ABs had 4.5 jumpers, didn't they? I prefer Kruis, but would probably stick with this AB-beating formula.

I also think Kruis is a better player than Lawes. But it would be a mistake to make too many changes. Yesterday's team was just brilliant.

TheSmurf · Post by **TheSmurf** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:04 pm

England would be crazy to change that team, other than potential injuries etc.

I do not believe they are crazy.

2019 RWC - Pick your winner