RWC 2019 Final: England vs South Africa Match Thread

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Jensrsa wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:I didn't realise that England is going for the Southern Slam

Beat Argentina in the pool games and

OZ in the QF
NZ in the SF
and meeting SA in the final
Would be the only team to beat all the previous winners en route to the title
I didn't even think of that
Apart from Aus in 1991...
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Mahoney wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:I didn't realise that England is going for the Southern Slam

Beat Argentina in the pool games and

OZ in the QF
NZ in the SF
and meeting SA in the final
Would be the only team to beat all the previous winners en route to the title
I didn't even think of that
Apart from Aus in 1991...
:lol:
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jurgenstemmler wrote:
Gospel wrote:
jurgenstemmler wrote:Last week before the Wales game, I found BBC 5 on the internet. There was some woman there who thought she understood rugby. It was unbelievable listening to hear go on about how lovely it would be to have Wales play England in the final. There is nothing "lovely" about rugby. It is a hard, tough game--a game for men. I had to find the Welsh radio station, because at least the Welsh have proper respect for the game. And at least the Welsh commentators properly reported on the game.
Women play rugby too. :?
It is a modern tragedy seeing masculine women. How will they ever find husbands?

But that is perhaps not for me to say. Luckily my wife is a good little woman and does not interfere with matters of rugby.
Some of them find wives. Because they live in the 21st century. You should try it sometime.
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eldanielfire wrote:
jurgenstemmler wrote:
Gospel wrote:
jurgenstemmler wrote:Last week before the Wales game, I found BBC 5 on the internet. There was some woman there who thought she understood rugby. It was unbelievable listening to hear go on about how lovely it would be to have Wales play England in the final. There is nothing "lovely" about rugby. It is a hard, tough game--a game for men. I had to find the Welsh radio station, because at least the Welsh have proper respect for the game. And at least the Welsh commentators properly reported on the game.
Women play rugby too. :?
It is a modern tragedy seeing masculine women. How will they ever find husbands?

But that is perhaps not for me to say. Luckily my wife is a good little woman and does not interfere with matters of rugby.
Some of them find wives. Because they live in the 21st century. You should try it sometime.
I wouldn't bother. It is clearly a Mr Dominator / Dublin Dynamo type parody account.
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eldanielfire wrote:
jurgenstemmler wrote:
Gospel wrote:
jurgenstemmler wrote:Last week before the Wales game, I found BBC 5 on the internet. There was some woman there who thought she understood rugby. It was unbelievable listening to hear go on about how lovely it would be to have Wales play England in the final. There is nothing "lovely" about rugby. It is a hard, tough game--a game for men. I had to find the Welsh radio station, because at least the Welsh have proper respect for the game. And at least the Welsh commentators properly reported on the game.
Women play rugby too. :?
It is a modern tragedy seeing masculine women. How will they ever find husbands?

But that is perhaps not for me to say. Luckily my wife is a good little woman and does not interfere with matters of rugby.
Some of them find wives. Because they live in the 21st century. You should try it sometime.

I am sorry but I am not going to get involved with something as sinful as ladies' rugby. Ladies' rugby is as perverse as ladies' mud wrestling.

Good men should avoid such things.
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Mahoney wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:I didn't realise that England is going for the Southern Slam

Beat Argentina in the pool games and

OZ in the QF
NZ in the SF
and meeting SA in the final
Would be the only team to beat all the previous winners en route to the title
I didn't even think of that
Apart from Aus in 1991...
Actually SA did it in 1995 too. Beat Aus in the pool.
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jurgenstemmler wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
jurgenstemmler wrote:
Gospel wrote:
jurgenstemmler wrote:Last week before the Wales game, I found BBC 5 on the internet. There was some woman there who thought she understood rugby. It was unbelievable listening to hear go on about how lovely it would be to have Wales play England in the final. There is nothing "lovely" about rugby. It is a hard, tough game--a game for men. I had to find the Welsh radio station, because at least the Welsh have proper respect for the game. And at least the Welsh commentators properly reported on the game.
Women play rugby too. :?
It is a modern tragedy seeing masculine women. How will they ever find husbands?

But that is perhaps not for me to say. Luckily my wife is a good little woman and does not interfere with matters of rugby.
Some of them find wives. Because they live in the 21st century. You should try it sometime.

I am sorry but I am not going to get involved with something as sinful as ladies' rugby. Ladies' rugby is as perverse as ladies' mud wrestling.

Good men should avoid such things.
You have to be DD surely.
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No, I am completely serious. Ladies' rugby is a sin
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jurgenstemmler wrote:No, I am completely serious. Ladies' rugby is a sin
As reported in all those religious texts.....wait what?!??? They say nothing on the matter?
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eldanielfire wrote:
jurgenstemmler wrote:No, I am completely serious. Ladies' rugby is a sin
As reported in all those religious texts.....wait what?!??? They say nothing on the matter?
Acts 13:4 - and those with flaps and tits shall not ever lie down in the ruck or stand in the maul; lest they be unclean. And very possibly offside.”

The word the Lord.

Amen.
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eldanielfire wrote:
jurgenstemmler wrote:No, I am completely serious. Ladies' rugby is a sin
As reported in all those religious texts.....wait what?!??? They say nothing on the matter?

It doesn't work that way because not every sin is listed.

Take the sin of drugs. If a man sells fentanyl to his neighbor and his neighbor overdoses and dies, is that not a sin?

God expects us to use common sense.
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The more I think about this match, the more I think South Africa could grind it out. They are not complete no hopers. Any team with Etzebeth, De jager, De Klerk, Pollard, De Allende and Kolbe has a chance.

It is not a case of England just turning up and being handed the trophy.
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mdaclarke wrote:The more I think about this match, the more I think South Africa could grind it out. They are not complete no hopers. Any team with Etzebeth, De jager, De Klerk, Pollard, De Allende and Kolbe has a chance.

It is not a case of England just turning up and being handed the trophy.

It's far from that. SA are better equipped than NZ to counter the strengths of the England side - and should have the upper hand in the set pieces. Could be a real battle.
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ovalball wrote:
mdaclarke wrote:The more I think about this match, the more I think South Africa could grind it out. They are not complete no hopers. Any team with Etzebeth, De jager, De Klerk, Pollard, De Allende and Kolbe has a chance.

It is not a case of England just turning up and being handed the trophy.

It's far from that. SA are better equipped than NZ to counter the strengths of the England side - and should have the upper hand in the set pieces. Could be a real battle.
Set pieces maybe, but the Boks have to be really competitive in the loose to give us a glimmer of hope. O yes, and tackle like demons in the backs.
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Springboks – 
15 Willie le Roux,
14 Cheslin Kolbe,
13 Lukhanyo Am,
12 Damian de Allende,
11 Makazole Mapimpi,
10 Handre Pollard,
9 Faf de Klerk,
8 Duane Vermeulen,
7 Pieter-Steph du Toit,
6 Siya Kolisi (c),
5 Lood de Jager,
4 Eben Etzebeth,
3 Frans Malherbe,
2 Bongi Mbonambi,
1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Subs:
16 Malcolm Marx,
17 Steven Kitshoff,
18 Vincent Koch,
19 RG Snyman,
20 Franco Mostert,
21 Francois Louw,
22 Herschel Jantjies,
23 Frans Steyn.
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Kyle Sinckler has been passed fit for England’s World Cup final against South Africa on Saturday with Eddie Jones selecting an unchanged XV to face the Springboks. Jones has opted to stick by George Ford at fly-half with his captain Owen Farrell at outside centre and has received a major boost with Sinckler recovering from a calf injury to continue at tighthead prop.

Sinckler was replaced early in the second half of England’s semi-final victory over New Zealand and was seen with ice strapped to his leg. His training routine has been largely restricted this week but while he spent the first part of Wednesday’s session away from the squad it is understood he later joined in with his teammates. It is a significant boost for Jones, not only because of Sinckler’s impressive recent form but also because Joe Marler will not be forced into providing emergency tighthead cover.


The only change to the matchday 23 comes on the bench with Ben Spencer replacing the injured Willi Heinz. Spencer arrived in Japan on Monday and has spent the week getting up to speed and if he comes off the bench he will make his World Cup debut in the final.

Ford continues at fly-half after orchestrating England’s 19-7 win over the All Blacks, when he took over goalkicking responsibilities with Farrell struggling with a dead leg. Against Australia in the quarter-final, Ford was dropped with Jones bolstering his midfield to counter the threat of the Wallabies’ Samu Kerevi. South Africa have a similarly powerful runner in Damian de Allende at inside centre but Jones has resisted any temptations to restore Henry Slade to the starting lineup.

“It has been a good week, the players have been together a while now so it’s less about the volume of training this week, it’s more about sharpening the sword,” said Jones, who takes charge of England for the 50th time. “South Africa are a difficult opponent and we are going to have to fight really hard to win. We know the physical part of the game is going to be important and the players will go into this game well prepared knowing how we want to play. We will go and play with no fear.

“South Africa will probably play a similar type of game they have played all tournament so we need be good in the arm wrestle and when we have the opportunities to break the game up, we are then confident and composed enough to take them.”
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Courtney Lawes continues in the second row alongside Maro Itoje, with George Kruis again among the replacements. Mako Vunipola, Jamie George are alongside Sinckler in the front row while Tom Curry and Sam Underill are again named as the flankers and Billy Vunipola at No 8. Ben Youngs continues at scrum-half with Manu Tuilagi at outside centre while the back-three is comprised of Elliot Daly, Anthony Watson and Jonny May.

England: Elliot Daly; Anthony Watson, Manu Tuilagi, Owen Farrell (captain); Jonny May, George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Jamie George, Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje, Courtney Lawes, Tom Curry, Sam Underhill, Billy Vunipola. Replacements: Luke Cowan-Dickie, Joe Marler, Dan Cole, George Kruis, Mark Wilson, Ben Spencer, Henry Slade, Jonathan Joseph.
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Compare England's achievements in the RWC regarding SH opponents, and then consider what SA did in the RC (right before the World Cup):

Eng 39–10 Argentina 13–46 SA (away)

Eng 40-26 Australia 17–35 SA (home with B-side)

Eng 19-7 New Zealand 16–16 SA (away)

So maybe all the SH opponents that Eng played were not as good as they thought, except maybe for New Zealand. So all the hype from Eng comes from a solitary game against the AB's.

In the Argentina game Eng played against 14 men. In the Australia game, Aus reverted to an insane strategy to run everything from their 22, regardless of situation (a tactic they have never tried before against a tier 1 nation).

Not to forget that the AB's found themselves in a very similar situation that Eng find themselves this week: having psyched themselves up for a particular opponent, only to find the "damp squib" waiting for them the next week.

And then losing.

Badly.

England plays an impressive and original style of rugby. Already against Aus it was very noticeable. But I think that all of that requires forward dominance, which they won't have against SA. The style is refreshing, exhilarating and should be celebrated, but Rassieball will sadly and happily trump it (of course, in my humble opinion).
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As a Kiwi neutral I hope the final finishes a draw at full time and a draw after extra time ... and then a team is AWARDED the World Cup based on #line outs won and/or greatest number of line-breaks 🙃 .... or preferably for the most expletives spoken in a non- English tongue 🙃
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Of course, if any of the coaches decide to change tactics, my whole, well-thought-out post is totally redundant.

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.... or preferably for the most expletives spoken in a non- English tongue
Well that would be advantage SA.
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foobar wrote:
.... or preferably for the most expletives spoken in a non- English tongue
Well that would be advantage SA.
Would it though? I am sure there are some accents from around England that are definintely not 100% English.
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England by 7. Don't think we are good enough, and the poms look very polished.
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England unchanged:

England team to play South Africa:
Elliot Daly, Anthony Watson, Manu Tuilagi, Owen Farrell, Jonny May, George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Jamie George, Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje, Courtney Lawes; Tom Curry, Sam Underhill, Billy Vunipola

Replacements:
Luke Cowan-Dickie, Joe Marler, Dan Cole, George Kruis, Mark Wilson, Ben Spencer, Henry Slade, Jonathan Joseph
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Bok team as expected. Good to see Kolbe back. Shame on Nkosi dropping out of the 23, but it was always going to happen if Kolbe was fit and he's had a good world cup.
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foobar wrote:Of course, if any of the coaches decide to change tactics, my whole, well-thought-out post is totally redundant.

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I agree that we have the one style that doesn't suit England
And you have Ben Youngs
And Ford will probably be broken by halftime
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Mr. White wrote:England by 7. Don't think we are good enough, and the poms look very polished.
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The narrative is now that a Springbok win will be bad for rugby; will set it back years.

A view increasingly popular in New Zealand.

Now where have I heard that before?


On my bookshelf a book almost 40 years old: "Goodbye to Glory: All Blacks Tour of South Africa, 1976" by cretin Terry Maclean. They had arrived here expecting to sweep all before them but left with their tails between their legs, complaining about our style of rugby and how it spelt the end of all rugby.

Their coach - JJ Stewart - summed it up "finish and klaar - goodbye to glory".

Edit: :lol:
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Very pleased with Eddie’s team selection. Clearly he is looking to keep the South African fatties trundling around the park, chasing the ball, until they are exhausted. Will be a fascinating final!
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I don't give a fok if it's boring. Faf can kick all day long and we can form a maul every time we touch the ball, as long as we win I'll be happy.
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Really pleased everyone is fit for England.

Here we f*cking go.
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terryfinch wrote:Very pleased with Eddie’s team selection. Clearly he is looking to keep the South African fatties trundling around the park, chasing the ball, until they are exhausted. Will be a fascinating final!
Sure, but when tired, we can just bring on the bomb squad. Should be good to watch!
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Monk Zombie wrote:The narrative is now that a Springbok win will be bad for rugby; will set it back years.

A view increasingly popular in New Zealand.

Now where have I heard that before?


On my bookshelf a book almost 40 years old: "Goodbye to Glory: All Blacks Tour of South Africa, 1976" by cretin Terry Maclean. They had arrived here expecting to sweep all before them but left with their tails between their legs, complaining about our style of rugby and how it spelt the end of all rugby.

Their coach - JJ Stewart - summed it up "finish and klaar - goodbye to glory".

Edit: :lol:
Really? Most Kiwis I know (in real life) are backing the Boks.
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Really pleased that Eddie has stuck with the same side. We need to move SA around and not play Wales-style anti-rugby
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Lord Denning wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
jurgenstemmler wrote:No, I am completely serious. Ladies' rugby is a sin
As reported in all those religious texts.....wait what?!??? They say nothing on the matter?
Acts 13:4 - and those with flaps and tits shall not ever lie down in the ruck or stand in the maul; lest they be unclean. And very possibly offside.”

The word the Lord.

Amen.
Doesn't that exclude a fair few male props as well? :lol:
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terryfinch wrote:Very pleased with Eddie’s team selection. Clearly he is looking to keep the South African fatties trundling around the park, chasing the ball, until they are exhausted. Will be a fascinating final!
Your pack is heavier than ours. Wales was 17kg heavier than ours.
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Keith wrote:Really pleased that Eddie has stuck with the same side. We need to move SA around and not play Wales-style anti-rugby
You clearly don't watch a lot of rugby.
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Lemoentjie wrote:
terryfinch wrote:Very pleased with Eddie’s team selection. Clearly he is looking to keep the South African fatties trundling around the park, chasing the ball, until they are exhausted. Will be a fascinating final!
Your pack is heavier than ours. Wales was 17kg heavier than ours.
Yes but that is good English muscle, the boks are just boerwurst and bobotie on legs.
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Lemoentjie wrote:
terryfinch wrote:Very pleased with Eddie’s team selection. Clearly he is looking to keep the South African fatties trundling around the park, chasing the ball, until they are exhausted. Will be a fascinating final!
Your pack is heavier than ours. Wales was 17kg heavier than ours.
That's an interesting factoid - could you post the head to head (belly to belly) weights?

Instinctively I think of our only fatties as Sinkler, George, Mako and Billy - and they are amongst our most mobile players
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Double wrote:
Lemoentjie wrote:
terryfinch wrote:Very pleased with Eddie’s team selection. Clearly he is looking to keep the South African fatties trundling around the park, chasing the ball, until they are exhausted. Will be a fascinating final!
Your pack is heavier than ours. Wales was 17kg heavier than ours.
Yes but that is good English muscle, the boks are just boerwurst and bobotie on legs.
Stop talking kak. The Boks are steak, chops and biltong, the English are baked beans.
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Double wrote:
Lemoentjie wrote:
terryfinch wrote:Very pleased with Eddie’s team selection. Clearly he is looking to keep the South African fatties trundling around the park, chasing the ball, until they are exhausted. Will be a fascinating final!
Your pack is heavier than ours. Wales was 17kg heavier than ours.
Yes but that is good English muscle, the boks are just boerwurst and bobotie on legs.
Take a look at Etzebeth, de Jager and du Toit. They are all over 2 meters tall and they are powerful lean athletes. There is a big difference between athletic, highly conditioned big men and fat oafs who swill beer by the case and stuff themselves with greasy fish and chips.
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