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franch fan wrote: Wow the number of guys who went to Japan :shock:
They could almost create a local Crusaders team in Japan lol
Tim Bateman is back in Japan too
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Saders opening a development program with UOW. The Tahs leadership probably couldn't find Wollongong on a map :x
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Zakar wrote:Saders opening a development program with UOW. The Tahs leadership probably couldn't find Wollongong on a map :x
The Tahs are playing in Wollongong this year.

:twisted:
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Scott Robertson has named two separate teams to play the Hurricanes on Saturday. Each team will play one half. The teams are;

First Half

1. Isi Tuungafasi
2. Brodie McAlister
3. Oliver Jager
4. Mitchell Dunshea
5. Cullen Grace
6. Tom Sanders
7. Billy Harmon
8. Whetukamokamo Douglas (C)

9. Ereatara Enari
10. Brett Cameron
11. Leicester Faingaanuku
12. Dallas McLeod
13. Braydon Ennor
14. Manasa Mataele
15. Will Jordan

2nd Half

1. Harry Allan
2. Andrew Makalio
3. Michael Alaalatoa
4. Ethan Roots
5. Alex Ainley
6. Samipeni Finau
7. Tom Christie
8. Sione Havili

9. Mitchell Drummond (C)
10. Fergus Burke
11. Fetuli Paea
12. Rameka Poihipi
13. Inga Finau
14. Fasi Fuatai
15. Dan Hollinshead

Replacements:

REPLACEMENTS: George Bower, Conan O’Donnell, Luke Romano, Sam Darry, Isaiah Punivai, Chay Fihaki
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JPNZ wrote:
Ten-time Super Rugby champions the Crusaders are now planting their red and black flag on Australian soil through an unlikely partnership with the University of Wollongong. The Christchurch-based club and the UOW announced the new player development program — which will kick off in 2021 — on the Wollongong campus on Thursday.

A press release said the program would feature Crusaders coaches offering their expertise to aspiring players who would train for 16-20 hours a week throughout the year in “a unique opportunity to combine the world class rugby training program with academic studies.” Applications open in March and was open to males and females, Australian and international and students.

The program would cover “technical aspects of rugby specific to playing position, tactical knowledge of the game and game simulation, position specific fitness and strength and conditioning and wellness and nutrition.”

So what’s the motivation for the Crusaders?

“This is a unique opportunity to grow the Crusaders organisation globally, with an extension of our existing international programs,” Crusaders chief executive Colin Mansbridge said. “Our club, through the Crusaders international academy, has links in Europe, America and Asia already, so this partnership with University of Wollongong is a natural progression for us and an exciting opportunity for our organisation.”

“The Crusaders is about more than just a world class high performance program,” Robertson said. “Over the last 24 years of Super Rugby, our culture, connectedness and sense of community has been a point of difference, and led to our success both on and off the rugby field. “We’re excited to take the Crusaders club to the world, and look forward to this innovative partnership with University of Wollongong.” The UOW is also launching a similar style global football development program with Premier League club Tottenham Hotspur this year. “UOW is excited to be partnering with the most successful rugby club in the world,” said professor Alex Frino, the UOW’s deputy vice chancellor of global strategy.

“This unique program will enable our students to develop their rugby under a truly world class coaching system, while also receiving a world class university education.

“It will strengthen the place within our university of a rapidly growing international sport and fill a gap that exists for aspiring professional rugby players to learn both on and off the field.

“The program will bring to Wollongong players of tremendous ability and potential, both on the field and in the classroom, who will contribute their skills to local rugby teams, competitions and associations.

“It will strengthen the place of union in the local community and contribute well trained players to the game globally.”
Exporting influence and excellence :thumbup:

This is a Dynasty.
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UncleFB wrote:
Zakar wrote:Saders opening a development program with UOW. The Tahs leadership probably couldn't find Wollongong on a map :x
The Tahs are playing in Wollongong this year.

:twisted:
They’ll rely on satnav.
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Ali's Choice wrote:Scott Robertson has named two separate teams to play the Hurricanes on Saturday. Each team will play one half. The teams are;

First Half

1. Isi Tuungafasi
2. Brodie McAlister
3. Oliver Jager
4. Mitchell Dunshea
5. Cullen Grace
6. Tom Sanders
7. Billy Harmon
8. Whetukamokamo Douglas (C)

9. Ereatara Enari
10. Brett Cameron
11. Leicester Faingaanuku
12. Dallas McLeod
13. Braydon Ennor
14. Manasa Mataele
15. Will Jordan

2nd Half

1. Harry Allan
2. Andrew Makalio
3. Michael Alaalatoa
4. Ethan Roots
5. Alex Ainley
6. Samipeni Finau
7. Tom Christie
8. Sione Havili

9. Mitchell Drummond (C)
10. Fergus Burke
11. Fetuli Paea
12. Rameka Poihipi
13. Inga Finau
14. Fasi Fuatai
15. Dan Hollinshead

Replacements:

REPLACEMENTS: George Bower, Conan O’Donnell, Luke Romano, Sam Darry, Isaiah Punivai, Chay Fihaki
First half team looks the stronger of the two.

Interesting to see Alex Ainley popping up. Not a bad guy to have around.
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mrbrownstone wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:Scott Robertson has named two separate teams to play the Hurricanes on Saturday. Each team will play one half. The teams are;

First Half

1. Isi Tuungafasi
2. Brodie McAlister
3. Oliver Jager
4. Mitchell Dunshea
5. Cullen Grace
6. Tom Sanders
7. Billy Harmon
8. Whetukamokamo Douglas (C)

9. Ereatara Enari
10. Brett Cameron
11. Leicester Faingaanuku
12. Dallas McLeod
13. Braydon Ennor
14. Manasa Mataele
15. Will Jordan

2nd Half

1. Harry Allan
2. Andrew Makalio
3. Michael Alaalatoa
4. Ethan Roots
5. Alex Ainley
6. Samipeni Finau
7. Tom Christie
8. Sione Havili

9. Mitchell Drummond (C)
10. Fergus Burke
11. Fetuli Paea
12. Rameka Poihipi
13. Inga Finau
14. Fasi Fuatai
15. Dan Hollinshead

Replacements:

REPLACEMENTS: George Bower, Conan O’Donnell, Luke Romano, Sam Darry, Isaiah Punivai, Chay Fihaki
First half team looks the stronger of the two.

Interesting to see Alex Ainley popping up. Not a bad guy to have around.
I don't even know who most of the players in the second half backline are.
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UncleFB wrote:
mrbrownstone wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:Scott Robertson has named two separate teams to play the Hurricanes on Saturday. Each team will play one half. The teams are;

First Half

1. Isi Tuungafasi
2. Brodie McAlister
3. Oliver Jager
4. Mitchell Dunshea
5. Cullen Grace
6. Tom Sanders
7. Billy Harmon
8. Whetukamokamo Douglas (C)

9. Ereatara Enari
10. Brett Cameron
11. Leicester Faingaanuku
12. Dallas McLeod
13. Braydon Ennor
14. Manasa Mataele
15. Will Jordan

2nd Half

1. Harry Allan
2. Andrew Makalio
3. Michael Alaalatoa
4. Ethan Roots
5. Alex Ainley
6. Samipeni Finau
7. Tom Christie
8. Sione Havili

9. Mitchell Drummond (C)
10. Fergus Burke
11. Fetuli Paea
12. Rameka Poihipi
13. Inga Finau
14. Fasi Fuatai
15. Dan Hollinshead

Replacements:

REPLACEMENTS: George Bower, Conan O’Donnell, Luke Romano, Sam Darry, Isaiah Punivai, Chay Fihaki
First half team looks the stronger of the two.

Interesting to see Alex Ainley popping up. Not a bad guy to have around.
I don't even know who most of the players in the second half backline are.
Both midfielders have featured for Canterbury at points. Burke was the under 20s first-five this year. No idea who any of the back 3 are.
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mrbrownstone wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
mrbrownstone wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:Scott Robertson has named two separate teams to play the Hurricanes on Saturday. Each team will play one half. The teams are;

First Half

1. Isi Tuungafasi
2. Brodie McAlister
3. Oliver Jager
4. Mitchell Dunshea
5. Cullen Grace
6. Tom Sanders
7. Billy Harmon
8. Whetukamokamo Douglas (C)

9. Ereatara Enari
10. Brett Cameron
11. Leicester Faingaanuku
12. Dallas McLeod
13. Braydon Ennor
14. Manasa Mataele
15. Will Jordan

2nd Half

1. Harry Allan
2. Andrew Makalio
3. Michael Alaalatoa
4. Ethan Roots
5. Alex Ainley
6. Samipeni Finau
7. Tom Christie
8. Sione Havili

9. Mitchell Drummond (C)
10. Fergus Burke
11. Fetuli Paea
12. Rameka Poihipi
13. Inga Finau
14. Fasi Fuatai
15. Dan Hollinshead

Replacements:

REPLACEMENTS: George Bower, Conan O’Donnell, Luke Romano, Sam Darry, Isaiah Punivai, Chay Fihaki
First half team looks the stronger of the two.

Interesting to see Alex Ainley popping up. Not a bad guy to have around.
I don't even know who most of the players in the second half backline are.
Both midfielders have featured for Canterbury at points. Burke was the under 20s first-five this year. No idea who any of the back 3 are.
Isn't Hollinshead a Northlander? Didn't know Burke's name but saw him play in the U20s.
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UncleFB wrote:
Zakar wrote:Saders opening a development program with UOW. The Tahs leadership probably couldn't find Wollongong on a map :x
The Tahs are playing in Wollongong this year.

:twisted:
Forced to by the sfs closure, and I'm pretty sure it's the first time since the comp began, except for maybe a trial match.

Some NSW team they are.
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guy smiley wrote:
JPNZ wrote:
Ten-time Super Rugby champions the Crusaders are now planting their red and black flag on Australian soil through an unlikely partnership with the University of Wollongong. The Christchurch-based club and the UOW announced the new player development program — which will kick off in 2021 — on the Wollongong campus on Thursday.

A press release said the program would feature Crusaders coaches offering their expertise to aspiring players who would train for 16-20 hours a week throughout the year in “a unique opportunity to combine the world class rugby training program with academic studies.” Applications open in March and was open to males and females, Australian and international and students.

The program would cover “technical aspects of rugby specific to playing position, tactical knowledge of the game and game simulation, position specific fitness and strength and conditioning and wellness and nutrition.”

So what’s the motivation for the Crusaders?

“This is a unique opportunity to grow the Crusaders organisation globally, with an extension of our existing international programs,” Crusaders chief executive Colin Mansbridge said. “Our club, through the Crusaders international academy, has links in Europe, America and Asia already, so this partnership with University of Wollongong is a natural progression for us and an exciting opportunity for our organisation.”

“The Crusaders is about more than just a world class high performance program,” Robertson said. “Over the last 24 years of Super Rugby, our culture, connectedness and sense of community has been a point of difference, and led to our success both on and off the rugby field. “We’re excited to take the Crusaders club to the world, and look forward to this innovative partnership with University of Wollongong.” The UOW is also launching a similar style global football development program with Premier League club Tottenham Hotspur this year. “UOW is excited to be partnering with the most successful rugby club in the world,” said professor Alex Frino, the UOW’s deputy vice chancellor of global strategy.

“This unique program will enable our students to develop their rugby under a truly world class coaching system, while also receiving a world class university education.

“It will strengthen the place within our university of a rapidly growing international sport and fill a gap that exists for aspiring professional rugby players to learn both on and off the field.

“The program will bring to Wollongong players of tremendous ability and potential, both on the field and in the classroom, who will contribute their skills to local rugby teams, competitions and associations.

“It will strengthen the place of union in the local community and contribute well trained players to the game globally.”
Exporting influence and excellence :thumbup:

This is a Dynasty.
It's honestly very clever.

The region produces a shit ton of NRL talent. Plenty of them also play rugby growing up (Ty Frizzell, Morris Bros, Sims boys), yet is completely ignored by NSWRU. No 'proper' schools :? :roll: :((
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Zakar wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Zakar wrote:Saders opening a development program with UOW. The Tahs leadership probably couldn't find Wollongong on a map :x
The Tahs are playing in Wollongong this year.

:twisted:
Forced to by the sfs closure, and I'm pretty sure it's the first time since the comp began, except for maybe a trial match.

Some NSW team they are.
Hey I was just commenting that they can find it on a map. ;)
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Zakar wrote:
It's honestly very clever.

The region produces a shit ton of NRL talent. Plenty of them also play rugby growing up (Ty Frizzell, Morris Bros, Sims boys), yet is completely ignored by NSWRU. No 'proper' schools :? :roll: :((
Yup. In addition to the potential talent farm, the Saders look to be the only SH rugby entity mounting any sort of challenge to NH chequebook dominance and they're doing it by developing a culture that will appeal and grow... their business, rugby talent and The Game.
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Zakar wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
JPNZ wrote:
Ten-time Super Rugby champions the Crusaders are now planting their red and black flag on Australian soil through an unlikely partnership with the University of Wollongong. The Christchurch-based club and the UOW announced the new player development program — which will kick off in 2021 — on the Wollongong campus on Thursday.

A press release said the program would feature Crusaders coaches offering their expertise to aspiring players who would train for 16-20 hours a week throughout the year in “a unique opportunity to combine the world class rugby training program with academic studies.” Applications open in March and was open to males and females, Australian and international and students.

The program would cover “technical aspects of rugby specific to playing position, tactical knowledge of the game and game simulation, position specific fitness and strength and conditioning and wellness and nutrition.”

So what’s the motivation for the Crusaders?

“This is a unique opportunity to grow the Crusaders organisation globally, with an extension of our existing international programs,” Crusaders chief executive Colin Mansbridge said. “Our club, through the Crusaders international academy, has links in Europe, America and Asia already, so this partnership with University of Wollongong is a natural progression for us and an exciting opportunity for our organisation.”

“The Crusaders is about more than just a world class high performance program,” Robertson said. “Over the last 24 years of Super Rugby, our culture, connectedness and sense of community has been a point of difference, and led to our success both on and off the rugby field. “We’re excited to take the Crusaders club to the world, and look forward to this innovative partnership with University of Wollongong.” The UOW is also launching a similar style global football development program with Premier League club Tottenham Hotspur this year. “UOW is excited to be partnering with the most successful rugby club in the world,” said professor Alex Frino, the UOW’s deputy vice chancellor of global strategy.

“This unique program will enable our students to develop their rugby under a truly world class coaching system, while also receiving a world class university education.

“It will strengthen the place within our university of a rapidly growing international sport and fill a gap that exists for aspiring professional rugby players to learn both on and off the field.

“The program will bring to Wollongong players of tremendous ability and potential, both on the field and in the classroom, who will contribute their skills to local rugby teams, competitions and associations.

“It will strengthen the place of union in the local community and contribute well trained players to the game globally.”
Exporting influence and excellence :thumbup:

This is a Dynasty.
It's honestly very clever.

The region produces a shit ton of NRL talent. Plenty of them also play rugby growing up (Ty Frizzell, Morris Bros, Sims boys), yet is completely ignored by NSWRU. No 'proper' schools :? :roll: :((
TBH, even though there is a section that says "So what's the motivation for the Crusaders" I can't actually see what the motivation/benefits are. As long as the Uni pays for the flights to Oz and the time they spend coaching then fine, but if they're doing the coaching on NZR's dime then I don't see how it benefits NZ rugby and the main purpose of the Crusaders (all the NZ Super teams actually) is to benefit NZ rugby.
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Looks like the Crusaders have a young Irish prop in their squad for an upcoming preseason friendly. Former Connacht and Ireland u20 loosehead Conán O Donnell. He played with the Sunwolves last season after Connacht let him go. He was touted as a prospect at u20 level.
23-year-old O’Donnell, who mainly plays on the loosehead side of the scrum but also covers tighthead, impressed the Crusaders last year when he played Super Rugby with the Sunwolves in Japan and then joined Counties Manukau in New Zealand’s Mitre 10 Cup.
Irish takeover at Crusaders. Tighthead Oliver Jager in the starting team.
Crusaders have named two starting XVs for tomorrow’s clash with the Hurricanes, while O’Donnell is named among the replacements.

In the first starting team is Irish tighthead Oli Jager. The former Naas RFC man was an Ireland Schools international and won a Leinster Schools Senior Cup with Blackrock in 2013 before moving to New Zealand in 2014 to chase his rugby dream.

The 24-year-old has been on the rise since, helping Canterbury to Mitre 10 Cup glory in 2016 and 2017, and racking up 15 Super Rugby appearances in total so far.
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Crusaders vs Hurricanes pre season game is live on the Crusaders facebook page.

Good game to watch so far. 2 tries each, 14-12 to the Crusaders around 20 mins into the match.
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YOYO wrote:Looks like the Crusaders have a young Irish prop in their squad for an upcoming preseason friendly. Former Connacht and Ireland u20 loosehead Conán O Donnell. He played with the Sunwolves last season after Connacht let him go. He was touted as a prospect at u20 level.
23-year-old O’Donnell, who mainly plays on the loosehead side of the scrum but also covers tighthead, impressed the Crusaders last year when he played Super Rugby with the Sunwolves in Japan and then joined Counties Manukau in New Zealand’s Mitre 10 Cup.
Irish takeover at Crusaders. Tighthead Oliver Jager in the starting team.
Crusaders have named two starting XVs for tomorrow’s clash with the Hurricanes, while O’Donnell is named among the replacements.

In the first starting team is Irish tighthead Oli Jager. The former Naas RFC man was an Ireland Schools international and won a Leinster Schools Senior Cup with Blackrock in 2013 before moving to New Zealand in 2014 to chase his rugby dream.

The 24-year-old has been on the rise since, helping Canterbury to Mitre 10 Cup glory in 2016 and 2017, and racking up 15 Super Rugby appearances in total so far.
There's little chance Jager will supplant Ala'alatoa, having been behind both he and Franks last year (even taking his injuries into account). George Bower is also likely to get the nod for some national fast tracking given he can play both sides of the scrum. Again injuries will be crucial all round.

I think we'll be waiting a little bit longer to see this English-born Dutchman getting any higher honours
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The Crusaders lead 21-12 after scoring an excellent length of the field try which was started by Mata'ele and then featuring good play by Brayden Ennor and Will Jordan before being finished by 'Colonel' Tom Sanders.
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A brilliant length-of-the-field try by the Crusaders with Mataele, Ennor, and Jordan all contributing
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Crusaders lead 29-12 at Halftime.

The 2nd half teams will be very different so still anyone's game.
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What sort of total plum arranges a meeting on Saturday afternoon when the rugby is on :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
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Kiwias wrote:What sort of total plum arranges a meeting on Saturday afternoon when the rugby is on :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
Probably some dude who thinks "this is just a pre-season trial game played under Gentlemen's rules, featuring rolling subs and of no consequence" rather than, say, a RWC final.
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FT 40-19 to the good guys.
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Was a decent game of Rugby for a meaningless pre-season fixture, with the first half featuring better play than the 2nd.

For the Crusaders, I thought the outside backs looked great. Ennor, Jordan and Mataele were very dangerous in the first half, as were Fetuli Paea and Fasi Fuatai in the second. Dallas McLeod was strong in the midfield. The two first fives both were both a bit rusty and slightly underwhelming, but Fergus Burke already looks like a better prospect than All Black Brett Cameron.

In the forwards, I thought Christie and Sanders were the standouts, and Bower scrummaged and ran well. Ethan Roots looks very promising, he has a hard edge and abrasive nature which we need. Sione Havili had a couple of decent runs. The commentators hyped up rookie lock Sam Darry for ages before he took the field, but he looked good. He only played a few minutes at the end of the match but he secured a lineout win, won a lineout steal and also won a breakdown turnover. Definitely a player for the future.

For the Hurricanes, Vince Aso looked great in the first half, and I thought both their lineout and scrum had the edge over the Crusaders. Was really interesting to see them adopt a Springbok-esque rush defensive system. It frustrated the Crusaders throughout the game and IMO is a strategy that could be very effective over the season.
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A dominant win to the Crusaders at the picturesque Ashburton Showgrounds.

A very clinical victory by the home side. Won the battle up front, the backs looked slick and they made most of their tackles.

It bodes well for the four-peat at this stage.
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naki wrote:
Kiwias wrote:What sort of total plum arranges a meeting on Saturday afternoon when the rugby is on :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
Probably some dude who thinks "this is just a pre-season trial game played under Gentlemen's rules, featuring rolling subs and of no consequence" rather than, say, a RWC final.
Nah, just some dude who has no interest in rugby and assumed everyone would be available at his desired time. Plum.

About the players, I heard that Ethan Root was pretty heavily into MMA before deciding to give rugby a crack, which would explain AC's comment about a hard edge and abrasive nature.
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My fears about Billy Harmon were in no way diminished after yesterday's performance. I know he was injured midway through his allocated 40 min half, but prior to injury he was utterly anonymous, and failed to fire a shot against a very experimental Hurricanes XV.

The problem with Harmon is that's a nothing player. He's not strong enough to be a threat over the ball, he's not fast enough to be an excellent support player and he's not powerful/athletic enough to be a force with ball in hand. He's a Jack-of-no-trades. I know he had a real job (builder?) prior to joining the Crusaders but Harmon still looks like a part timer in terms of his physique. Skinny in the arms and legs with a little bit of a gut - not your ideal body shape for a flanker. Rookie 20 year old Tom Christie looked much better than Harmon, and he's a couple of years away from being ready for this level of Rugby.

So I'm worried about openside flanker. Very worried. And it's a shame because with Matt Todd, and Richie McCaw before him, we have had quality at no.7 for a very long time. Heck, Angus Gardiner was a gun before McCaw!
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Didn't see the game, but I'm glad to hear Mataele is back to full fitness. His form to start last season was incredible - reckon he would have made the All Blacks instead of Reece if he'd stayed fit.

Hard to forget this magical assist against the Canes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DAEcynjw7Y

It's going to be one hell of a battle for positions in the 23 between Havili, Bridge, Reece, Mataele, and Jordan - unfortunately 5 doesn't go into 4, so one will have to miss out each week.

I do worry about our loose forward stocks though. I agree that Harmon is a glorified journeyman, I think our best bet is to punt on Tom Christie and hope he takes to this level quickly. Losing Ethan Blackadder, who I'm sure would have been our starting blindside, is a blow too after already losing Read, Taufua, and Todd.

I also hope this is the season that Eri Enari establishes himself in the matchday 23. From what I've seen, he and Folau Fakatava are the two most promising young halfbacks in the country. I think Enari has a higher ceiling than both Drummond and Hall, and has been around a few years now. This could be the season he can really announce himself.
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I must have missed the news about Ethan BLackadder. Where has he headed? I rate Tom Sanders as our blindside.
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Kiwias wrote:I must have missed the news about Ethan BLackadder. Where has he headed? I rate Tom Sanders as our blindside.
The physio. He's injured.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Kiwias wrote:I must have missed the news about Ethan BLackadder. Where has he headed? I rate Tom Sanders as our blindside.
The physio. He's injured.
I njust noticed he is named in the squad, bugger about the injury.
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UncleFB wrote:
Zakar wrote:Saders opening a development program with UOW. The Tahs leadership probably couldn't find Wollongong on a map :x
The Tahs are playing in Wollongong this year.

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They should have a game there every year. Went to the kiwis test there last year and it's my new favourite small stadium.
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Crusaders named for the last preseason match vs the Highlanders in Wanaka for the Farmlands Cup on Friday 24th at 6pm

Crusaders team to play the Highlanders:

1. Isi Tu’ungafasi

2. Andrew Makalio

3. Michael Alaalatoa

4. Mitchell Dunshea

5. Quinten Strange

6. Tom Sanders

7. Tom Christie

8. Whetukamokamo Douglas (VC)

9. Mitchell Drummond (VC)

10. Brett Cameron

11. Leicester Faingaanuku

12. Dallas McLeod

13. Braydon Ennor

14. Will Jordan

15. David Havili (C)


RESERVES:

16. Brodie McAlister

17. George Bower

18. Oliver Jager

19. Cullen Grace

20. Sione Havili

21. Bryn Hall

22. Fergus Burke

23. Manasa Mataele

24. Harry Allan

25. Luke Romano

26. Fetuli Paea
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JPNZ wrote:Crusaders named for the last preseason match vs the Highlanders in Wanaka for the Farmlands Cup on Friday 24th at 6pm

Crusaders team to play the Highlanders:

1. Isi Tu’ungafasi

2. Andrew Makalio

3. Michael Alaalatoa

4. Mitchell Dunshea

5. Quinten Strange

6. Tom Sanders

7. Tom Christie

8. Whetukamokamo Douglas (VC)

9. Mitchell Drummond (VC)

10. Brett Cameron

11. Leicester Faingaanuku

12. Dallas McLeod

13. Braydon Ennor

14. Will Jordan

15. David Havili (C)


RESERVES:

16. Brodie McAlister

17. George Bower

18. Oliver Jager

19. Cullen Grace

20. Sione Havili

21. Bryn Hall

22. Fergus Burke

23. Manasa Mataele

24. Harry Allan

25. Luke Romano

26. Fetuli Paea
Not a bad side that. Think 7 of the starting XV are probably first choice (Alalatoa, Strange, the whole loose trio, Ennor, and Havili), plus plenty of bench players like Drummond, Makalio, and Jordan.

Glad that Christie and Sanders are starting. Suggests they have the inside running for the 6/7 jerseys - they'd be my picks. thumbup:
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mrbrownstone wrote: Not a bad side that. Think 7 of the starting XV are probably first choice (Alalatoa, Strange, the whole loose trio, Ennor, and Havili), plus plenty of bench players like Drummond, Makalio, and Jordan.

Glad that Christie and Sanders are starting. Suggests they have the inside running for the 6/7 jerseys - they'd be my picks. thumbup:
Christie and Sanders would be my top picks at 7 and 6
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Kiwias wrote:
mrbrownstone wrote: Not a bad side that. Think 7 of the starting XV are probably first choice (Alalatoa, Strange, the whole loose trio, Ennor, and Havili), plus plenty of bench players like Drummond, Makalio, and Jordan.

Glad that Christie and Sanders are starting. Suggests they have the inside running for the 6/7 jerseys - they'd be my picks. thumbup:
Christie and Sanders would be my top picks at 7 and 6
I hope those two work out for you but Christie wasn't great for the U20s last year and Sanders never looked Super level when at the Chiefs.

Christie is young enough but as a combo they seem a step down from a usual Crusaders loosies group.

Now I've said that, they'll probably have super star seasons and be instrumental in knocking the Chiefs out of the comp. :lol:
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UncleFB wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
mrbrownstone wrote: Not a bad side that. Think 7 of the starting XV are probably first choice (Alalatoa, Strange, the whole loose trio, Ennor, and Havili), plus plenty of bench players like Drummond, Makalio, and Jordan.

Glad that Christie and Sanders are starting. Suggests they have the inside running for the 6/7 jerseys - they'd be my picks. thumbup:
Christie and Sanders would be my top picks at 7 and 6
I hope those two work out for you but Christie wasn't great for the U20s last year and Sanders never looked Super level when at the Chiefs.

Christie is young enough but as a combo they seem a step down from a usual Crusaders loosies group.

Now I've said that, they'll probably have super star seasons and be instrumental in knocking the Chiefs out of the comp. :lol:
Christie is a significant step-down from our normal 7 level but Sanders looked very promising in his matches for the Crusaders last year.
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UncleFB wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
mrbrownstone wrote: Not a bad side that. Think 7 of the starting XV are probably first choice (Alalatoa, Strange, the whole loose trio, Ennor, and Havili), plus plenty of bench players like Drummond, Makalio, and Jordan.

Glad that Christie and Sanders are starting. Suggests they have the inside running for the 6/7 jerseys - they'd be my picks. thumbup:
Christie and Sanders would be my top picks at 7 and 6
I hope those two work out for you but Christie wasn't great for the U20s last year and Sanders never looked Super level when at the Chiefs.

Christie is young enough but as a combo they seem a step down from a usual Crusaders loosies group.

Now I've said that, they'll probably have super star seasons and be instrumental in knocking the Chiefs out of the comp. :lol:
It's not a great combo, just the best we have. Christie must have some upside being a former U20s captain and playing for Canterbury so young, although I haven't seen soo much from him yet. Sanders has often looked good for Canterbury but meh at Super level, and is also injury prone. Hope this can be his year.

I expect the loose forwards to be our biggest weakness this year. Hope I'm wrong.
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Cameron will start at first-five eighth in Wanaka, where fullback David Havili will captain the side in his first pre-season appearance, and will finish the match at second-five eighth as the Crusaders test combinations.

Openside flanker Billy Harmon picked up a medial ligament strain last week against the Hurricanes and is expected to be sidelined for four-six weeks.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sup ... tt-cameron
Couple of interesting tidbits there. Hope they're not thinking of moving Havili to 12 permanently - he's a fullback through and through. Good to have him as an emergency option, but that's it.

Harmon's injury makes the decision on who starts the season at 7 pretty straightforward. Losing Harmon isn't a huge blow, but it further erodes our already shallow loose forward depth.
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