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Posted: **Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:08 pm**

The next days weather is not looking good

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:31 pm**

Vivid exemplar of the power of these fires:

https://9gag.com/gag/abrReYp

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:35 pm**

That is f*cked up.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:03 pm**

Allan Jones spouting some shit from a looney biologist, it’s all the eucalyptus trees fault.we need to remove them.
I couldn’t even imagine how you do that or what other ecological issues it would create....think the right are getting desperate as big businesses has made serious noises about getting out of coal this week.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:37 pm**

EverReady wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:That is f*cked up.
Completely fücked up

When you see those home owners with their garden hoses... water is going to evaporate before it hits the ground.

Posted: **Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:42 am**

The Optimist wrote:
EverReady wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:That is f*cked up.
Completely fücked up
When you see those home owners with their garden hoses... water is going to evaporate before it hits the ground.

I think that's the point. At an early stage in a fire’s development, water should be used to directly douse the flames. When the fire is more intense the water should be sprayed in the air at the flames to remove the greatest amount of heat from the system. The radiant heat is the main danger.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:14 am**

Is Muttonbird perma banned? This is the shit he's posting elsewhere.

Muttonbird
25 December 2019 at 9:58 pm
Anyone want to see Australia burn?

I do

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25-12-2019/

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:49 am**

Lacrobat wrote:Vivid exemplar of the power of these fires:

https://9gag.com/gag/abrReYp

What was the camera on? And was that heat simmer or water being sprayed on it during part of the footage? Hard to tell on my phone.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:48 pm**

guy smiley wrote:The camera is mounted close to the windscreen inside. The effect you see is the water curtain... several years ago after firefighters were trapped and killed in their vehicle in a fire, new standards were introduced to help safeguard personnel in the units... a water deluge system is fitted to protect the outside and heavy curtains are fitted inside to drop and provide a heat shield. There was another clip going around shot by someone on a phone from the back seat of a fire truck that showed the curtains being dropped.

Sounds like very sensible equipment to have on board.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:51 pm**

Fat Old Git wrote:
guy smiley wrote:The camera is mounted close to the windscreen inside. The effect you see is the water curtain... several years ago after firefighters were trapped and killed in their vehicle in a fire, new standards were introduced to help safeguard personnel in the units... a water deluge system is fitted to protect the outside and heavy curtains are fitted inside to drop and provide a heat shield. There was another clip going around shot by someone on a phone from the back seat of a fire truck that showed the curtains being dropped.

Sounds like very sensible equipment to have on board.

If you see earlier in the thread there was a discussion about the fact that RFS vehicles are fitted with halo sprays - they are a ring that circles the top of the cab and sprays the crew cabin. They also have roll up heat shields that cover the windows. FRNSW vehicles do not have this equipment.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:00 pm**

Presumably because FRNSW is more urban based where you wouldn't need that kind of protection?

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:13 am**

Harvey2.0 wrote:Is Muttonbird perma banned? This is the shit he's posting elsewhere.

Muttonbird
25 December 2019 at 9:58 pm
Anyone want to see Australia burn?

I do

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25-12-2019/

Happy Xmas day for Muttonmong.

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:14 am**

Plastic Sarrie wrote:Presumably because FRNSW is more urban based where you wouldn't need that kind of protection?

That is correct - our vehicles are set up for bush or grassland firefighting. They are designed to work away from water sources, fiight moving fires, and to survive fire overuns. FRNSW vehicles are urban pumpers - they are designed to pull up to an incident, connect to the nearest large water supply and move vast amounts of water. They are great for the urban interface firefighting but are less usefull in the bush.

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:50 am**

mr bungle wrote:
Harvey2.0 wrote:Is Muttonbird perma banned? This is the shit he's posting elsewhere.

Muttonbird
25 December 2019 at 9:58 pm
Anyone want to see Australia burn?

I do

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25-12-2019/
Happy Xmas day for Muttonmong.

What if there really is two of them?

Two. Of. Them.

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:48 am**

MungoMan wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
Harvey2.0 wrote:Is Muttonbird perma banned? This is the shit he's posting elsewhere.

Muttonbird
25 December 2019 at 9:58 pm
Anyone want to see Australia burn?

I do

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25-12-2019/
Happy Xmas day for Muttonmong.
What if there really is two of them?

Two. Of. Them.

Its the same one . They've banned him there a couple of times too.

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:22 pm**

Shrekles wrote:
Plastic Sarrie wrote:Presumably because FRNSW is more urban based where you wouldn't need that kind of protection?
That is correct - our vehicles are set up for bush or grassland firefighting. They are designed to work away from water sources, fiight moving fires, and to survive fire overuns. FRNSW vehicles are urban pumpers - they are designed to pull up to an incident, connect to the nearest large water supply and move vast amounts of water. They are great for the urban interface firefighting but are less usefull in the bush.

There is an investigation that's been opened to this fact. 4 Illawarra region FRNSW pumpers were sent down a road (by a junior controller at RFS incident command according to a rumour I heard) resulting in one subsequently nearly being lost. Raises two teams key questions in my mind

1. Why are they being used in such a dangerous way
2. If they're going to be used in this way, why weren't they equipped with Halos etc as standard.

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:31 pm**

They are not supposed to be used in that way. One of the things that will come out of this fire season is that I think FRNSW will get a lot more bush tankers - they have a few but I reckon they will get about 50 more.

Posted: **Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:33 pm**

Shrekles wrote:They are not supposed to be used in that way. One of the things that will come out of this fire season is that I think FRNSW will get a lot more bush tankers - they have a few but I reckon they will get about 50 more.

Well yes, exactly. I agree with more 4x4 pumpers. There might be a niche for hybrid units that can hook through rough terrain. If it was me, I'd expand FRNSW. They have the infrastructure (with many 'retained' stations), and they take less than 1% of applicants annually by all accounts.

Posted: **Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:23 am**

Zakar wrote:
Shrekles wrote:They are not supposed to be used in that way. One of the things that will come out of this fire season is that I think FRNSW will get a lot more bush tankers - they have a few but I reckon they will get about 50 more.

Well yes, exactly. I agree with more 4x4 pumpers. There might be a niche for hybrid units that can hook through rough terrain. If it was me, I'd expand FRNSW. They have the infrastructure (with many 'retained' stations), and they take less than 1% of applicants annually by all accounts.

By pumpers do you mean the vehicles with PTO off the main engine for their pumps? The RFS has several of those 'urban pumpers' - they are great for moving vast amounts of water but less useful in the bush.

FRNSW has a few of these. They are almost identical to our bush tankers with all the safety equipment - I suspect they will get at least one for every major station over the next few years.

Posted: **Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:39 am**

Shrekles wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Shrekles wrote:They are not supposed to be used in that way. One of the things that will come out of this fire season is that I think FRNSW will get a lot more bush tankers - they have a few but I reckon they will get about 50 more.

Well yes, exactly. I agree with more 4x4 pumpers. There might be a niche for hybrid units that can hook through rough terrain. If it was me, I'd expand FRNSW. They have the infrastructure (with many 'retained' stations), and they take less than 1% of applicants annually by all accounts.
By pumpers do you mean the vehicles with PTO off the main engine for their pumps? The RFS has several of those 'urban pumpers' - they are great for moving vast amounts of water but less useful in the bush.

FRNSW has a few of these. They are almost identical to our bush tankers with all the safety equipment - I suspect they will get at least one for every major station over the next few years.

Is that based on the NPS 300? Its a hell of a truck.

Posted: **Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:01 am**

No idea which model Isuzu it is but they are the same base model and fitted out by the same company.

They are good trucks but have one major flaw in that they can only handle a cross slope of 13 degrees before they are in danger of rolling over.

Posted: **Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:18 am**

Shrekles wrote:No idea which model Isuzu it is but they are the same base model and fitted out by the same company.

They are good trucks but have one major flaw in that they can only handle a cross slope of 13 degrees before they are in danger of rolling over.

That's kind of inevitable with a 4x4 truck of that size and height. Maybe a unimog woukd be better, albeit at 3x the price.

Posted: **Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:38 am**

They apparently have similar stability problems. The problem is caused by the large water tank so far above the centre of gravity - this is why we use the smaller category 7s and 9s in rugged bush land and use the Category 1s as support vehicles.

http://www.kuipers.com.au/fire-fighting-vehicles

Posted: **Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:00 pm**

Good to see active fire numbers dropping fast and Sydney in line for days and days of rain.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:47 am**

This'll do it - simples

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:20 am**

Oh well, it's not as though climate scientists predicted extremes of weather as the climate changed, there's that to reassure the Liberal and National parties.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:08 am**

I haven't seen rain like Sydney is getting since living in Darwin where its the usual and expected. 200mm today plus what we got yesterday, half of today at least.
Flooding everywhere, trees down but most fires through the state are out so there is that.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:16 am**

The Currowan fire near us is now officially out. We have had 200mm this weekend so far and Sod’s law means all furies are now on standby for flood work... no rest for the wicked.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:29 am**

Narrabeen residents in northern beaches have been told to evacuate due to rain and king tides, water aint going anywhere but through their homes.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:25 pm**

The Blue Mountains line is cut at Leura due to a landslide.

Tomorrow's commute will be carnage

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:26 am**

Great - rain - had flooding at home, multiple trees down, power out in out neighbourhood but not us - but did lose water on Sunday.

More to come.

Yesterday - stupid humidity and top day today .. with more rain for next 7 days. Hope they retain water management focus for a bit longer.

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:15 am**

A years worth of inflow into water storage already apparently

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/weat ... 53zn0.html

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:34 am**

Shrekles wrote:A years worth of inflow into water storage already apparently

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/weat ... 53zn0.html

Not great news really as it will really delay any meaningful work on water usage.

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:40 am**

and give climate change deniers a glimmer of something to cling to in their stubborness

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:45 am**

And now ... got a snake on the garden.
I hate snakes (it’s common non dangerous type)....

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:31 am**

kiwigreg369 wrote:And now ... got a snake on the garden.
I hate snakes (it’s common non dangerous type)....

M8. M8888888. Stop living up to the Kiwi stereotype. Embrace the fear. Master it.

Many decades ago an idiot mate of mine used to catch snakes for keeping / sale and his best customers were Kiwi fellas he worked alongside at the meatworks.

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:43 am**

Fark that ... hate them. Last time I had a snake in the garden it was when I lived in Capetown - hated it then as well....

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:53 am**

Even people who see snakes are quarantined when they return home KG - stay away for 6 months

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:19 am**

The lucky country.

Fires, floods, deadly snakes, poisonous spiders, sharks, Queensland accents, stingers, extreme heat, Victoria bitter. If you are still alive at the end of the day you're lucky!

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:51 am**

guy smiley wrote:
Shrekles wrote:and give climate change deniers a glimmer of something to cling to in their stubborness
That’s already in full swing

There’s a Facebook page called Nuffies in Australian Politics. Oh my word

What are 'nuffies'?

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