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NZ and Australia way off the pace from leading the pack, 1960s-1990s:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautifu ... er_capita/

I didn’t know that Kertim had mvdeds ton Eqitorilsad Guinevjfjfkdkfkdj

What happened to Swaziland?

What has happened in Australia is beer has become very expensive whilst other alcohols especially spirits has become relatively cheap. Also the tax on alcohol based on % has meant some local beers have gone below 5% which puts off many drinkers. Most 5+% beers are imported but come in 330ml bottles instead of 375ml. All in all you get more bang for your bucks with spirits. Less carbs too.

Oh the 90s. An unparalleled era of domination.

Proud and horrified by Ireland’s performance at the exact same time.

We're back up to sixth.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps ... countries/

CrazyIslander wrote:What has happened in Australia is beer has become very expensive whilst other alcohols especially spirits has become relatively cheap. Also the tax on alcohol based on % has meant some local beers have gone below 5% which puts off many drinkers. Most 5+% beers are imported but come in 330ml bottles instead of 375ml. All in all you get more bang for your bucks with spirits. Less carbs too.

I was back in Oz a couple years ago after more than 10 years away, and far and away the most disappointing part of the whole trip was the poor, flavorless character and outrageous pricing of the beer.

CrazyIslander wrote:What has happened in Australia is beer has become very expensive whilst other alcohols especially spirits has become relatively cheap. Also the tax on alcohol based on % has meant some local beers have gone below 5% which puts off many drinkers. Most 5+% beers are imported but come in 330ml bottles instead of 375ml. All in all you get more bang for your bucks with spirits. Less carbs too.

The outrageous beer tax in Australia confuses me. People don't drink less - they just move on to cheap wine and spirits.

DOB wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:What has happened in Australia is beer has become very expensive whilst other alcohols especially spirits has become relatively cheap. Also the tax on alcohol based on % has meant some local beers have gone below 5% which puts off many drinkers. Most 5+% beers are imported but come in 330ml bottles instead of 375ml. All in all you get more bang for your bucks with spirits. Less carbs too.

I was back in Oz a couple years ago after more than 10 years away, and far and away the most disappointing part of the whole trip was the poor, flavorless character and outrageous pricing of the beer.

The country is littered with small breweries and distillery’s with attached cellar doors plus many pubs brew their own. Even ten years ago there was heaps of choice .... Irish pubs are dominated by big industry brands which generally non flavoured lagers and it’s the same here or was, usually 4-5 beer types on tap at any city pub these days

Big change in kiwi culture with drink driving laws, becoming a wine producing nation.......and a preference for craft beers. Fill a flagon has practically disappeared, though weekly supermarket trolleys show a controlled home drinking preference. Yup overall drinking less beer, and probably more wine.....

I blame Smirnoff Ice and Nolanator

I sure picked a hell of a decade to stop drinking

EverReady wrote:Absolute gym bunny pricks like Nols have fücked us lads. At one point watching that during the 90's I stood and saluted

Yeah we can squarely lay the blame on Nols and his fake tan wearing Instagram mates.

I’ve heard Americans comment that they are surprised when over here that most people drink beer and not spirits. They assume that because we are known as drinkers that we’d be hitting the whiskey more.

grievous wrote:

DOB wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:What has happened in Australia is beer has become very expensive whilst other alcohols especially spirits has become relatively cheap. Also the tax on alcohol based on % has meant some local beers have gone below 5% which puts off many drinkers. Most 5+% beers are imported but come in 330ml bottles instead of 375ml. All in all you get more bang for your bucks with spirits. Less carbs too.

I was back in Oz a couple years ago after more than 10 years away, and far and away the most disappointing part of the whole trip was the poor, flavorless character and outrageous pricing of the beer.

The country is littered with small breweries and distillery’s with attached cellar doors plus many pubs brew their own. Even ten years ago there was heaps of choice .... Irish pubs are dominated by big industry brands which generally non flavoured lagers and it’s the same here or was, usually 4-5 beer types on tap at any city pub these days

I tried everything I could. Went deep down menus and took in every recommendation I could get. They were all just so bland. I found much better selection, flavour and (obviously) value in the early 00’s.

Irish pubs are very same-y and it’s always been my biggest criticism, but at least the Guinness is good as a fall-back.

You have to really look hard for a bar in California shit enough to not have something like a decent IPA on tap or at least in bottles.

Duff Paddy wrote:

EverReady wrote:Absolute gym bunny pricks like Nols have fücked us lads. At one point watching that during the 90's I stood and saluted

Yeah we can squarely lay the blame on Nols and his fake tan wearing Instagram mates.

I’ve heard Americans comment that they are surprised when over here that most people drink beer and not spirits. They assume that because we are known as drinkers that we’d be hitting the whiskey more.

Americans don’t drink beer in nearly the volume the Irish do, though. Every time I go home and meet the lads in the pub, I end up in absolute tatters the first night. I think part of it is that the pints are just bigger.

camroc1 wrote:We're back up to sixth.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps ... countries/

Mid table mediocrity - it’s where we belong. Interesting that the UK isn’t in the top 20. If you believe that Muslims don’t drink that is.

DOB wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:

EverReady wrote:Absolute gym bunny pricks like Nols have fücked us lads. At one point watching that during the 90's I stood and saluted

Yeah we can squarely lay the blame on Nols and his fake tan wearing Instagram mates.

I’ve heard Americans comment that they are surprised when over here that most people drink beer and not spirits. They assume that because we are known as drinkers that we’d be hitting the whiskey more.

Americans don’t drink beer in nearly the volume the Irish do, though. Every time I go home and meet the lads in the pub, I end up in absolute tatters the first night. I think part of it is that the pints are just bigger.

So you fall asleep in the pub an hour or two earlier here yeah

Adetroy wrote:Proud and horrified by Ireland’s performance at the exact same time.

Uncanny how closely they mirror our WR ranking since 2000 (bar the extended spell at no.1).

Getting trashed to cheap shit beer is not really a thing for most kiwis these days. Except bogans from Gore and West Auckland.

DOB wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:

EverReady wrote:Absolute gym bunny pricks like Nols have fücked us lads. At one point watching that during the 90's I stood and saluted

Yeah we can squarely lay the blame on Nols and his fake tan wearing Instagram mates.

I’ve heard Americans comment that they are surprised when over here that most people drink beer and not spirits. They assume that because we are known as drinkers that we’d be hitting the whiskey more.

Americans don’t drink beer in nearly the volume the Irish do, though. Every time I go home and meet the lads in the pub, I end up in absolute tatters the first night. I think part of it is that the pints are just bigger.

There's a bit of that to it, but lets face it, the main part of it is that the lads are just Irish.

DOB wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:What has happened in Australia is beer has become very expensive whilst other alcohols especially spirits has become relatively cheap. Also the tax on alcohol based on % has meant some local beers have gone below 5% which puts off many drinkers. Most 5+% beers are imported but come in 330ml bottles instead of 375ml. All in all you get more bang for your bucks with spirits. Less carbs too.

I was back in Oz a couple years ago after more than 10 years away, and far and away the most disappointing part of the whole trip was the poor, flavorless character and outrageous pricing of the beer.

Personally, it used to be I'd drink beer because it's relatively cheap. But since it's priced the same spirits and close to top shelf I've since just pick and choose on the day.
Also a lot of beers are below 5%. I wouldn't waste my time on it tbh. I'd drink Guinness if it's there or spirits. I'd even drink wine rather than low strength beer. Maybe because I'm late 30s and it takes more to get me drunk.

Equatorial F'cking Guinea followed by Namibia. Who would have thought that. Get in there.

Lacrobat wrote:NZ and Australia way off the pace from leading the pack, 1960s-1990s:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautifu ... er_capita/

It's interesting to note when Straya's precipitious decline in standing began: viz. the years immediately following 1988.

1988 was Australia's bicentenary year and there was much in the way of piss-soaked celebration. It was also the year Brisbane hosted World Expo, plus the Australian beer war was in full swing, with Bernie Power launching a new beer brand in Brissie and Alan Bond's Swan Premium Lager blimp becoming a familiar sight over state capitals.

Basically it was a year Straya spent making a drunken pest of itself. Remorse and reform kicked in sometime after New Year's Day 1989...

So the beer is sh1t in Aus, the rugby is sh1t in Aus. At least the women are good with all the saffers moving there.

handyman wrote:So the beer is sh1t in Aus, the rugby is sh1t in Aus. At least the women are good with all the saffers moving there.

We need rule one.

Pretty impressive that Poland is 4th considering the go-to drink is Vodka in pretty much every occasion.

EverReady wrote:Absolute gym bunny pricks like Nols have fücked us lads. At one point watching that during the 90's I stood and saluted

I guess there is no surprise that Irish beer drinking can be mapped by economics and earnings.... Joining the EEC, early 80's recession and high interest rates, tiger economy and banking collapse. It's like an economic history of the Republic in stout.

The Sun God wrote:

EverReady wrote:Absolute gym bunny pricks like Nols have fücked us lads. At one point watching that during the 90's I stood and saluted

I guess there is no surprise that Irish beer drinking can be mapped by economics and earnings.... Joining the EEC, early 80's recession and high interest rates, tiger economy and banking collapse. It's like an economic history of the Republic in stout.

There is a huge drop off around 2000 though. That must be down to the growth in popularity of wine?

I'd be interested to see the total alcohol consumption figures

Jesus, let down by the English again.

Ice is the poison of choice for a lot of the youth in Australia/NZ now.
Has to have an effect on alcohol consumption

Remarkable graph.

You can almost see Ireland starting to modernise around the year 2000.

Surely no coincidence that beer consumption fell off a cliff just as the old conservative Catholic ascendancy began to lose its grip.

MungoMan wrote:

Lacrobat wrote:NZ and Australia way off the pace from leading the pack, 1960s-1990s:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautifu ... er_capita/

It's interesting to note when Straya's precipitious decline in standing began: viz. the years immediately following 1988.

1988 was Australia's bicentenary year and there was much in the way of piss-soaked celebration. It was also the year Brisbane hosted World Expo, plus the Australian beer war was in full swing, with Bernie Power launching a new beer brand in Brissie and Alan Bond's Swan Premium Lager blimp becoming a familiar sight over state capitals.

Basically it was a year Straya spent making a drunken pest of itself. Remorse and reform kicked in sometime after New Year's Day 1989...

It also coincides with me leaving Oz.

Liathroidigloine wrote:It also coincides with me leaving Oz.

Was there a booze spike in your next port of call?

kiap wrote:

Liathroidigloine wrote:It also coincides with me leaving Oz.

Was there a booze spike in your next port of call?

Yep, back to Ireland!

MrDominator wrote:Remarkable graph.

You can almost see Ireland starting to modernise around the year 2000.

Surely no coincidence that beer consumption fell off a cliff just as the old conservative Catholic ascendancy began to lose its grip.

Around the same time you flunked your leaving cert, scraping into a media studies course at DIT and destined to a career in explaining the benefits of a south facing rear garden.

J Man wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:What has happened in Australia is beer has become very expensive whilst other alcohols especially spirits has become relatively cheap. Also the tax on alcohol based on % has meant some local beers have gone below 5% which puts off many drinkers. Most 5+% beers are imported but come in 330ml bottles instead of 375ml. All in all you get more bang for your bucks with spirits. Less carbs too.

The outrageous beer tax in Australia confuses me. People don't drink less - they just move on to cheap wine and spirits.

It's because the wine industry lobbies for cheaper tax.

Craft beer is screwed by volume

I'd also like to see the overall alcohol drinking consumption. I reckon we're still near the top

iarmhiman wrote:I'd also like to see the overall alcohol drinking consumption. I reckon we're still near the top

Do you think we could make the semifinals?

Trostan wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:I'd also like to see the overall alcohol drinking consumption. I reckon we're still near the top

Do you think we could make the semifinals?

Nah...the Ruskies would murder us in the quarters.