Measles outbreak in the Pacific.

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Measles outbreak in the Pacific.

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Seems to have originated in NZ. Particularly bad in Samoa, where apparently recently had a gathering of anti-vaxxers, supported by the US embassy there. 15 deaths I think so far, 6 children. Compare the numbers there to Fiji which has rigorous vaccination protocols in place, from the first confirmed case our health ministry has acted swiftly to isolate those found affected and the Fijian public have been getting measles shots in their thousands. The number has increased slightly to 9 but still no deaths so far, fingers crossed.


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Anti Vaxxers are utter morons
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:x :x

This makes me so angry 😡.

f**king Anti-vaxxers. I'm sure they'll manage to spin it as usual but hopefully it'll fall on deaf ears.

With that amount in Samoa and NZ, it's not stopping soon either.
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One family in Samoa lost 3 children. 1 year old twins and a 2 year old.

16 children dead there apparently.
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CM11 wrote::x :x

This makes me so angry 😡.

f**king Anti-vaxxers. I'm sure they'll manage to spin it as usual but hopefully it'll fall on deaf ears.

With that amount in Samoa and NZ, it's not stopping soon either.
The ones here are trying to do exactly that on social media but are getting shouted down. Thank fcuk!
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I really hate the thought or practice of a nanny state but when you see shite like this it really make me consider introducing mandatory inoculation.
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OptimisticJock wrote:I really hate the thought or practice of a nanny state but when you see shite like this it really make me consider introducing mandatory inoculation.
It's no more an imposition than mandatory education.
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OptimisticJock wrote:I really hate the thought or practice of a nanny state but when you see shite like this it really make me consider introducing mandatory inoculation.
The thing is that my choosing not to inoculate their children they put others at risk. To go to school etc should have to show they are inoculated or have a good medical reason not too..
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All those over opinionated do gooder anti vax parents will be rushing for those jabs now.... quicker than a gull can shit.
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c69 wrote:Anti Vaxxers are utter morons
Yep. Twats.
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LandOTurk wrote:
c69 wrote:Anti Vaxxers are utter morons
Yep. Twats.
They're evil.
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Its at times like this that I miss Silver.

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Some of it isn't anti-vaxxers, but a lack of easy access to get vaccinated. I think they found that to be the case for many of the un-vaccinated members of the worst affected community in Auckland anyway.

I'm all for it being compulsory and administered in schools rather than relying on parents to get their kids to a medical center.
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OptimisticJock wrote:I really hate the thought or practice of a nanny state but when you see shite like this it really make me consider introducing mandatory inoculation.
Wait...it isn't mandatory in your country?
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A lot of blame has gone on anti-vaxers in nz but apparently the people not getting immunised are from low socio-economic backgrounds for various reasons that aren’t anti-vax.

The anti-vaxers, thankfully, are a tiny group of people with rather loud voices.
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FOG sneaks in and makes my point!
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Fat Old Git wrote:Some of it isn't anti-vaxxers, but a lack of easy access to get vaccinated. I think they found that to be the case for many of the un-vaccinated members of the worst affected community in Auckland anyway.

I'm all for it being compulsory and administered in schools rather than relying on parents to get their kids to a medical center.
I would still call that an anti vaccination problem. The whole point is that you aim for massive take up so it's very hard for the disease to spread. The lower the rate, the easier it is for it to reach unvaccinated individuals or communities.

Out of interest, why was it hard to get access in that community? I presume everyone gets free vaccination in NZ? No local providers?
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Wilderbeast wrote:FOG sneaks in and makes my point!
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CM11 wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Some of it isn't anti-vaxxers, but a lack of easy access to get vaccinated. I think they found that to be the case for many of the un-vaccinated members of the worst affected community in Auckland anyway.

I'm all for it being compulsory and administered in schools rather than relying on parents to get their kids to a medical center.
I would still call that an anti vaccination problem. The whole point is that you aim for massive take up so it's very hard for the disease to spread. The lower the rate, the easier it is for it to reach unvaccinated individuals or communities.

Out of interest, why was it hard to get access in that community? I presume everyone gets free vaccination in NZ? No local providers?
As Wilderbeast mentioned above, it was mostly in communities with a lot of members from lower socio-economic backgrounds. Access issues can be a simple as not having easy transport options to get to a medical centre, or not having much in the way of free time if they are working more than one job for example. There may also just be more ignorance about the process, and less ability to access information about.
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Fat Old Git wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Some of it isn't anti-vaxxers, but a lack of easy access to get vaccinated. I think they found that to be the case for many of the un-vaccinated members of the worst affected community in Auckland anyway.

I'm all for it being compulsory and administered in schools rather than relying on parents to get their kids to a medical center.
I would still call that an anti vaccination problem. The whole point is that you aim for massive take up so it's very hard for the disease to spread. The lower the rate, the easier it is for it to reach unvaccinated individuals or communities.

Out of interest, why was it hard to get access in that community? I presume everyone gets free vaccination in NZ? No local providers?
As Wilderbeast mentioned above, it was mostly in communities with a lot of members from lower socio-economic backgrounds. Access issues can be a simple as not having easy transport options to get to a medical centre, or not having much in the way of free time if they are working more than one job for example. There may also just be more ignorance about the process, and less ability to access information about.
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Fat Old Git wrote:Some of it isn't anti-vaxxers, but a lack of easy access to get vaccinated. I think they found that to be the case for many of the un-vaccinated members of the worst affected community in Auckland anyway.

I'm all for it being compulsory and administered in schools rather than relying on parents to get their kids to a medical center.
There was a famous picture on Fijian social media when this thing started of a group of nurses coming down a mountain track muddy and disheveled after hiking up to remote villages in the Fijian highlands to administer the vaccine. Is it really that hard to get the vaccines to people living in the urban area of a first world country?
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flaggETERNAL wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Some of it isn't anti-vaxxers, but a lack of easy access to get vaccinated. I think they found that to be the case for many of the un-vaccinated members of the worst affected community in Auckland anyway.

I'm all for it being compulsory and administered in schools rather than relying on parents to get their kids to a medical center.
There was a famous picture on Fijian social media when this thing started of a group of nurses coming down a mountain track muddy and disheveled after hiking up to remote villages in the Fijian highlands to administer the vaccine. Is it really that hard to get the vaccines to people living in the urban area of a first world country?
:thumbup:

Needed to be said.
Some people will go to great lengths to make excuses for the feckless.
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c69 wrote:Anti Vaxxers are utter morons
We're calling them pro-plague now
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flaggETERNAL wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Some of it isn't anti-vaxxers, but a lack of easy access to get vaccinated. I think they found that to be the case for many of the un-vaccinated members of the worst affected community in Auckland anyway.

I'm all for it being compulsory and administered in schools rather than relying on parents to get their kids to a medical center.
There was a famous picture on Fijian social media when this thing started of a group of nurses coming down a mountain track muddy and disheveled after hiking up to remote villages in the Fijian highlands to administer the vaccine. Is it really that hard to get the vaccines to people living in the urban area of a first world country?

See my post above. I think in NZ it's been assumed that access won't be an issue because it isn't for most of us. In your example above it was recognized that access was a problem and the nurses went to the remote villages. We need to recognize in NZ that it's not necessarily easy for everyone and do something similar.
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Fat Old Git wrote:
flaggETERNAL wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Some of it isn't anti-vaxxers, but a lack of easy access to get vaccinated. I think they found that to be the case for many of the un-vaccinated members of the worst affected community in Auckland anyway.

I'm all for it being compulsory and administered in schools rather than relying on parents to get their kids to a medical center.
There was a famous picture on Fijian social media when this thing started of a group of nurses coming down a mountain track muddy and disheveled after hiking up to remote villages in the Fijian highlands to administer the vaccine. Is it really that hard to get the vaccines to people living in the urban area of a first world country?

See my post above. I think in NZ it's been assumed that access won't be an issue because it isn't for most of us. In your example above it was recognized that access was a problem and the nurses went to the remote villages. We need to recognize in NZ that it's not necessarily easy for everyone and do something similar.
Fair enough. My apologies, didn't mean to sound like a dick about it.
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c69 wrote:Anti Vaxxers are utter morons
I like to think they should be referred to as pro-epidemics
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Zakar wrote:
c69 wrote:Anti Vaxxers are utter morons
We're calling them pro-plague now

Or this,
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merlin the happy pig wrote:
flaggETERNAL wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Some of it isn't anti-vaxxers, but a lack of easy access to get vaccinated. I think they found that to be the case for many of the un-vaccinated members of the worst affected community in Auckland anyway.

I'm all for it being compulsory and administered in schools rather than relying on parents to get their kids to a medical center.
There was a famous picture on Fijian social media when this thing started of a group of nurses coming down a mountain track muddy and disheveled after hiking up to remote villages in the Fijian highlands to administer the vaccine. Is it really that hard to get the vaccines to people living in the urban area of a first world country?
:thumbup:

Needed to be said.
Some people will go to great lengths to make excuses for the feckless.
No one is making excuses. If there are people in low-socio economic areas who do not have any issues with vaccination but are not vaccinating their children then we need to find out why and do what we can to fix it.
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I had neasles there a few weeks ago. It wasn't *that* bad. Just felt a bit drained for about 10 days or two weeks.

I'd say the natural immunity I have now is superior to the one you'd get from one of these vaccines.
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RichieRich89 wrote:I had neasles there a few weeks ago. It wasn't *that* bad. Just felt a bit drained for about 10 days or two weeks.

I'd say the natural immunity I have now is superior to the one you'd get from one of these vaccines.
Now that's science
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Fat Old Git wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Some of it isn't anti-vaxxers, but a lack of easy access to get vaccinated. I think they found that to be the case for many of the un-vaccinated members of the worst affected community in Auckland anyway.

I'm all for it being compulsory and administered in schools rather than relying on parents to get their kids to a medical center.
I would still call that an anti vaccination problem. The whole point is that you aim for massive take up so it's very hard for the disease to spread. The lower the rate, the easier it is for it to reach unvaccinated individuals or communities.

Out of interest, why was it hard to get access in that community? I presume everyone gets free vaccination in NZ? No local providers?
As Wilderbeast mentioned above, it was mostly in communities with a lot of members from lower socio-economic backgrounds. Access issues can be a simple as not having easy transport options to get to a medical centre, or not having much in the way of free time if they are working more than one job for example. There may also just be more ignorance about the process, and less ability to access information about.
My parents were from a lower socio-economic group. I was vaccinated. I don't remember it, but I suspect they either walked or caught the bus. I imagine they found time in their busy schedules as they considered it important. It isn't unreasonable to expect people to make an effort to protect their children from a deadly disease.

I have absolutely zero sympathy for anyone from a 1st world country who would use the excuses you have listed. Furthermore, by offering them as excuses, you give such people an easy way to justify their negligence.
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To be honest, I'm a tad skeptical on this topic.

Glad I didn't get my own children vaccinated, that's for certain.
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ZappaMan wrote:To be honest, I'm a tad skeptical on this topic.

Glad I didn't get my own children vaccinated, that's for certain.
Agreed. I didn't get vaccinated and literally nothing is or has gone wrong with me
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happyhooker wrote:
RichieRich89 wrote:I had neasles there a few weeks ago. It wasn't *that* bad. Just felt a bit drained for about 10 days or two weeks.

I'd say the natural immunity I have now is superior to the one you'd get from one of these vaccines.
Now that's science
Amen
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RichieRich89 wrote:I had neasles there a few weeks ago. It wasn't *that* bad. Just felt a bit drained for about 10 days or two weeks.

I'd say the natural immunity I have now is superior to the one you'd get from one of these vaccines.
Look at Captain Science over here!
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Thomas wrote:
RichieRich89 wrote:I had neasles there a few weeks ago. It wasn't *that* bad. Just felt a bit drained for about 10 days or two weeks.

I'd say the natural immunity I have now is superior to the one you'd get from one of these vaccines.
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RichieRich89 wrote:I had neasles there a few weeks ago. It wasn't *that* bad. Just felt a bit drained for about 10 days or two weeks.

I'd say the natural immunity I have now is superior to the one you'd get from one of these vaccines.
Bimbo multi?
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c69 wrote:
RichieRich89 wrote:I had neasles there a few weeks ago. It wasn't *that* bad. Just felt a bit drained for about 10 days or two weeks.

I'd say the natural immunity I have now is superior to the one you'd get from one of these vaccines.
Bimbo multi?
I reckon Santa
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EverReady wrote:
ZappaMan wrote:To be honest, I'm a tad skeptical on this topic.

Glad I didn't get my own children vaccinated, that's for certain.
Agreed. I didn't get vaccinated and literally nothing is or has gone wrong with me
Good enough for me! On that basis I’m disavowing all my previous vaccinations and immunisations.
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