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Timely bump, lets see who called this one correctly..
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Lots of die-hard Brexiters on this thread. Why are they bothered?
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Nolanator wrote:Lots of die-hard Brexiters on this thread. Why are they bothered?
They are backtracking quicker than they did at Dunkirk
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But but the EU is high regulation and high tax :lol:
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Mullet 2 wrote:But but the EU is high regulation and high tax :lol:
Did anyone claim the EU was high tax? I mean considering there is a spectrum of taxes across the EU.
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eldanielfire wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:But but the EU is high regulation and high tax :lol:
Did anyone claim the EU was high tax? I mean considering there is a spectrum of taxes across the EU.
Take it up with your thick as pigshit countrymen
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The Commission did not succeed in showing to the requisite legal standard...
Of course everyone and the EU knows what's going on.

And Barnier tries talking about 'level playing fields'. :uhoh:
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Aren’t you the dumb fudge who said that masks don’t help prevent spread of Covid-19?
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:lol:
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Duff Paddy wrote:Aren’t you the dumb fudge who said that masks don’t help prevent spread of Covid-19?
No. I said there was zero scientific evidence that the general public wearing face coverings was any safer than none at all. Especially during a countrywide lockdown. I said the vast majority of infections were caught by contamination of the hands and subsequent touching the eyes and not by coughing on someone. I also said that anyone coughing should be at home and not in the street.
There is an economic argument that people will feel more at ease in going shopping.

What the fudge has that to do with the Irish government and Apple ripping off the rest of the EU to the tune of billions of yoyos per annum?
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What the fudge has that to do with the Irish government and Apple NOT ripping off the rest of the EU to the tune of billions of yoyos per annum?
Fixed that for you there chief
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Umm congratulations to Apple I guess.
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Apple has already paid the tax to the US government.
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Duff Paddy wrote:Aren’t you the dumb fudge who said that masks don’t help prevent spread of Covid-19?
No. I said there was zero scientific evidence that the general public wearing face coverings was any safer than none at all. Especially during a countrywide lockdown. I said the vast majority of infections were caught by contamination of the hands and subsequent touching the eyes and not by coughing on someone. I also said that anyone coughing should be at home and not in the street.
There is an economic argument that people will feel more at ease in going shopping.

What the fudge has that to do with the Irish government and Apple ripping off the rest of the EU to the tune of billions of yoyos per annum?
Did you read the article I posted? It has been ruled it wasn't ours to claim and as has been said many times, this was a tax grab for tax due in the US. No EU state has been ripped off.
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No. I said there was zero scientific evidence that the general public wearing face coverings was any safer than none at all. Especially during a countrywide lockdown. I said the vast majority of infections were caught by contamination of the hands and subsequent touching the eyes and not by coughing on someone. I also said that anyone coughing should be at home and not in the street.
There is an economic argument that people will feel more at ease in going shopping.

https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/5/5/e002794.full.pdf

The study confirms the highest risk of transmission prior to symptom onset, and provides the first evidence of the effectiveness of mask use, disinfection and social distancing in preventing COVID-19

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8920301139

The study suggests that community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic. The studies of masks as source control also suggest a benefit, and may be important during the COVID-19 pandemic in universal community face mask use as well as in health care settings.
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ukjim wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
No. I said there was zero scientific evidence that the general public wearing face coverings was any safer than none at all. Especially during a countrywide lockdown. I said the vast majority of infections were caught by contamination of the hands and subsequent touching the eyes and not by coughing on someone. I also said that anyone coughing should be at home and not in the street.
There is an economic argument that people will feel more at ease in going shopping.

https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/5/5/e002794.full.pdf

The study confirms the highest risk of transmission prior to symptom onset, and provides the first evidence of the effectiveness of mask use, disinfection and social distancing in preventing COVID-19

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8920301139

The study suggests that community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic. The studies of masks as source control also suggest a benefit, and may be important during the COVID-19 pandemic in universal community face mask use as well as in health care settings.
The first is in a controlled closed environment and talks of masks rather than face coverings, the second involves PPE masks or respirators in a clinical setting to protect the wearer. Neither concerns itself with the handling and disposal of cloth face coverings.
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message #2527204 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Aren’t you the dumb fudge who said that masks don’t help prevent spread of Covid-19?
No. I said there was zero scientific evidence that the general public wearing face coverings was any safer than none at all. Especially during a countrywide lockdown. I said the vast majority of infections were caught by contamination of the hands and subsequent touching the eyes and not by coughing on someone. I also said that anyone coughing should be at home and not in the street.
There is an economic argument that people will feel more at ease in going shopping.

What the fudge has that to do with the Irish government and Apple ripping off the rest of the EU to the tune of billions of yoyos per annum?
Are you really this fcuking stupid or is this some sort of internet game you play ?
There is 'stupid' and then there is your projected level of 'total fcuking ignorance'..... it's quite amusing actually.
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Can Message not go back to his Reacharound Gang threads where they can circle-jerk over Brexit?
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The Sun God wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Aren’t you the dumb fudge who said that masks don’t help prevent spread of Covid-19?
No. I said there was zero scientific evidence that the general public wearing face coverings was any safer than none at all. Especially during a countrywide lockdown. I said the vast majority of infections were caught by contamination of the hands and subsequent touching the eyes and not by coughing on someone. I also said that anyone coughing should be at home and not in the street.
There is an economic argument that people will feel more at ease in going shopping.

What the fudge has that to do with the Irish government and Apple ripping off the rest of the EU to the tune of billions of yoyos per annum?
Are you really this fcuking stupid or is this some sort of internet game you play ?
There is 'stupid' and then there is your projected level of 'total fcuking ignorance'..... it's quite amusing actually.
You’ll be waiting a while for a reply I hear he’s volunteered to take part in the first ever study into whether parachutes actually work by taking part in the control group
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The Sun God wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Aren’t you the dumb fudge who said that masks don’t help prevent spread of Covid-19?
No. I said there was zero scientific evidence that the general public wearing face coverings was any safer than none at all. Especially during a countrywide lockdown. I said the vast majority of infections were caught by contamination of the hands and subsequent touching the eyes and not by coughing on someone. I also said that anyone coughing should be at home and not in the street.
There is an economic argument that people will feel more at ease in going shopping.

What the fudge has that to do with the Irish government and Apple ripping off the rest of the EU to the tune of billions of yoyos per annum?
Are you really this fcuking stupid or is this some sort of internet game you play ?
There is 'stupid' and then there is your projected level of 'total fcuking ignorance'..... it's quite amusing actually.
I'd previously wondered that myself and, IIRC, asked a similar question.

Since then I've concluded there is a conscious element of windup accompanied by a v. generous helping of thick-as-pigshit stupid.
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Duff Paddy wrote:Aren’t you the dumb fudge who said that masks don’t help prevent spread of Covid-19?

And you’re 100% convinced the spread of Covid is stopped by wearing a paper mask.
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Biffer29 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... SApp_Other

Twelve EU countries, including Ireland, have blocked a proposed new rule that would have forced multinational companies to reveal how much profit they make and how little tax they pay in each of the 28 member states.

The proposed directive was designed to shine a light on how some of the world’s biggest companies – such as Apple, Facebook and Google – avoid paying an estimated $500bn a year in taxes by shifting their profits from higher-tax countries such as the UK, France and Germany to zero-tax or low-tax jurisdictions including Ireland, Luxembourg and Malta.

Ireland is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the current rules. The country hosts corporate offices that collect revenue and profits generated by many multinational companies across the EU bloc. Ireland allows global technology companies to pay corporation tax at rate as low as 6.25%, compared with 19% in the UK.

Ireland’s decision to vote against the proposed directive – which would have forced companies to report their revenues and profits on a country-by-country basis – came as the Irish tax-and-spending watchdog warned that the country’s economy could collapse if there was a global clampdown on tax avoidance.

The Irish Fiscal Advisory Council (IFAC) warned on Thursday that the country’s economy has become so reliant on taxes paid by multinationals that half of all of corporate taxes paid in the nation come from just 10 global companies. The firms are not named, but they are believed to include US technology giants Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Dell, Google and Oracle.
Can't we just cut our rate to half the irish rate until they ask to become part of the UK or their economy collapses
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Anonymous. wrote:
Biffer29 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... SApp_Other

Twelve EU countries, including Ireland, have blocked a proposed new rule that would have forced multinational companies to reveal how much profit they make and how little tax they pay in each of the 28 member states.

The proposed directive was designed to shine a light on how some of the world’s biggest companies – such as Apple, Facebook and Google – avoid paying an estimated $500bn a year in taxes by shifting their profits from higher-tax countries such as the UK, France and Germany to zero-tax or low-tax jurisdictions including Ireland, Luxembourg and Malta.

Ireland is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the current rules. The country hosts corporate offices that collect revenue and profits generated by many multinational companies across the EU bloc. Ireland allows global technology companies to pay corporation tax at rate as low as 6.25%, compared with 19% in the UK.

Ireland’s decision to vote against the proposed directive – which would have forced companies to report their revenues and profits on a country-by-country basis – came as the Irish tax-and-spending watchdog warned that the country’s economy could collapse if there was a global clampdown on tax avoidance.

The Irish Fiscal Advisory Council (IFAC) warned on Thursday that the country’s economy has become so reliant on taxes paid by multinationals that half of all of corporate taxes paid in the nation come from just 10 global companies. The firms are not named, but they are believed to include US technology giants Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Dell, Google and Oracle.
Can't we just cut our rate to half the irish rate until they ask to become part of the UK or their economy collapses
Just when you think that message #2527204 is the stupidest idiot on the bored.....!!!
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The only thing thing the Brits could collapse these days is a statue
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this thread ..... oh dear :lol:

who'd have thunk that the paddies grasped the political nature of the charges (and their lack of any basis in international tax law) from the get-go, while also roundly predicting that the commission would lose the case ..... while the brexiteers continued to display their economic illiteracy and general ignorance?

lo and behold
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Anonymous. wrote:
Biffer29 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... SApp_Other

Twelve EU countries, including Ireland, have blocked a proposed new rule that would have forced multinational companies to reveal how much profit they make and how little tax they pay in each of the 28 member states.

The proposed directive was designed to shine a light on how some of the world’s biggest companies – such as Apple, Facebook and Google – avoid paying an estimated $500bn a year in taxes by shifting their profits from higher-tax countries such as the UK, France and Germany to zero-tax or low-tax jurisdictions including Ireland, Luxembourg and Malta.

Ireland is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the current rules. The country hosts corporate offices that collect revenue and profits generated by many multinational companies across the EU bloc. Ireland allows global technology companies to pay corporation tax at rate as low as 6.25%, compared with 19% in the UK.

Ireland’s decision to vote against the proposed directive – which would have forced companies to report their revenues and profits on a country-by-country basis – came as the Irish tax-and-spending watchdog warned that the country’s economy could collapse if there was a global clampdown on tax avoidance.

The Irish Fiscal Advisory Council (IFAC) warned on Thursday that the country’s economy has become so reliant on taxes paid by multinationals that half of all of corporate taxes paid in the nation come from just 10 global companies. The firms are not named, but they are believed to include US technology giants Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Dell, Google and Oracle.
Can't we just cut our rate to half the irish rate until they ask to become part of the UK or their economy collapses
you can and probably should

unfortunately for the UK, the likes of Apple and other tech giants aint going to invest further in the UK, unless you sign up to Barniers level playing field .... otherwise they run the risks of tariffs

as for Ireland becoming part of the UK :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

the risk of an economic collapse in Ireland (due to covid) is strong ...... but the UK is already in the midst of one. We'll take our chances in the EU thanks :thumbup:
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unfortunately for the UK, the likes of Apple and other tech giants aint going to invest further in the UK, unless you sign up to Barniers level playing field .... otherwise they run the risks of tariffs

Tariffs on what ? Most of Apples production for example is in China, there’s no shortage of Chinese made phones in the EU.
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bimboman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Aren’t you the dumb fudge who said that masks don’t help prevent spread of Covid-19?

And you’re 100% convinced the spread of Covid is stopped by wearing a paper mask.
Does not need to be stopped only to reduce the spread for mask to be worthwhile. I have not see a convincing argument that they will make things worse..
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msp. wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Aren’t you the dumb fudge who said that masks don’t help prevent spread of Covid-19?

And you’re 100% convinced the spread of Covid is stopped by wearing a paper mask.
Does not need to be stopped only to reduce the spread for mask to be worthwhile. I have not see a convincing argument that they will make things worse..

I’ve seen arguments they make society a worse place, and restrict human expression.
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The Sun God wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Biffer29 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... SApp_Other

Twelve EU countries, including Ireland, have blocked a proposed new rule that would have forced multinational companies to reveal how much profit they make and how little tax they pay in each of the 28 member states.

The proposed directive was designed to shine a light on how some of the world’s biggest companies – such as Apple, Facebook and Google – avoid paying an estimated $500bn a year in taxes by shifting their profits from higher-tax countries such as the UK, France and Germany to zero-tax or low-tax jurisdictions including Ireland, Luxembourg and Malta.

Ireland is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the current rules. The country hosts corporate offices that collect revenue and profits generated by many multinational companies across the EU bloc. Ireland allows global technology companies to pay corporation tax at rate as low as 6.25%, compared with 19% in the UK.

Ireland’s decision to vote against the proposed directive – which would have forced companies to report their revenues and profits on a country-by-country basis – came as the Irish tax-and-spending watchdog warned that the country’s economy could collapse if there was a global clampdown on tax avoidance.

The Irish Fiscal Advisory Council (IFAC) warned on Thursday that the country’s economy has become so reliant on taxes paid by multinationals that half of all of corporate taxes paid in the nation come from just 10 global companies. The firms are not named, but they are believed to include US technology giants Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Dell, Google and Oracle.
Can't we just cut our rate to half the irish rate until they ask to become part of the UK or their economy collapses
Just when you think that message #2527204 is the stupidest idiot on the bored.....!!!
That article is very disingenuous.

Our headline rate for corporation tax for all business', whether FDI or local, IT or anything else, big or small, is 12.5%.

The most recent OECD report on effective corporate tax rates, that is, the amount actually paid by companies in Ireland, is 12%.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.4299089
Would that all those pointing fingers had only 0.5% between their headline and effective rates.

Yesterdays decision by the General Court has effectively put the kybosh on the EU Commissions tactic of trying to use Competition Law to set countries tax rates ( and make a grab for tax that is actually due to be paid in the US). This will, interalia, have two interesting consequences : (1) It will force the Commission to go the OECD route with regard to "digital taxation", if it wants to make any progress at all (something Ireland is keen to do), and (2) it may make the USA more amenable to the OECD route now thhat the EU "tax grab" has been found to be illegal. I think the decision has hugely increased the possibility of a BEPS 2 being agreed.
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rfurlong wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Biffer29 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... SApp_Other

Twelve EU countries, including Ireland, have blocked a proposed new rule that would have forced multinational companies to reveal how much profit they make and how little tax they pay in each of the 28 member states.

The proposed directive was designed to shine a light on how some of the world’s biggest companies – such as Apple, Facebook and Google – avoid paying an estimated $500bn a year in taxes by shifting their profits from higher-tax countries such as the UK, France and Germany to zero-tax or low-tax jurisdictions including Ireland, Luxembourg and Malta.

Ireland is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the current rules. The country hosts corporate offices that collect revenue and profits generated by many multinational companies across the EU bloc. Ireland allows global technology companies to pay corporation tax at rate as low as 6.25%, compared with 19% in the UK.

Ireland’s decision to vote against the proposed directive – which would have forced companies to report their revenues and profits on a country-by-country basis – came as the Irish tax-and-spending watchdog warned that the country’s economy could collapse if there was a global clampdown on tax avoidance.

The Irish Fiscal Advisory Council (IFAC) warned on Thursday that the country’s economy has become so reliant on taxes paid by multinationals that half of all of corporate taxes paid in the nation come from just 10 global companies. The firms are not named, but they are believed to include US technology giants Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Dell, Google and Oracle.
Can't we just cut our rate to half the irish rate until they ask to become part of the UK or their economy collapses
you can and probably should

unfortunately for the UK, the likes of Apple and other tech giants aint going to invest further in the UK, unless you sign up to Barniers level playing field .... otherwise they run the risks of tariffs

as for Ireland becoming part of the UK :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

the risk of an economic collapse in Ireland (due to covid) is strong ...... but the UK is already in the midst of one. We'll take our chances in the EU thanks :thumbup:
Ah that is a shame
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message #2527204 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Aren’t you the dumb fudge who said that masks don’t help prevent spread of Covid-19?
No. I said there was zero scientific evidence that the general public wearing face coverings was any safer than none at all. Especially during a countrywide lockdown. I said the vast majority of infections were caught by contamination of the hands and subsequent touching the eyes and not by coughing on someone. I also said that anyone coughing should be at home and not in the street.
There is an economic argument that people will feel more at ease in going shopping.

What the fudge has that to do with the Irish government and Apple ripping off the rest of the EU to the tune of billions of yoyos per annum?
Hasn't the fomite risk of infection been estimated at around 10%?
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The view from the US treasury

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I ventured onto the 'Torygraph' ( worse fool me ! ) to get their take on this development and while the actual piece itself ain't going to win any Pulitzer's, the comments BTL left me laughing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ ... -tax-bill/

How can people read a newspaper like that, nodding their little racist heads and be so clueless about economics, potitics, the EU..... just about every subject touching on this story.There are countless arseholes , typing furiously in their underwear, getting facts and truth totally arse about face.....

It's like BREXIT has open up a massive tin of Moron !!!
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The Sun God wrote:I ventured onto the 'Torygraph' ( worse fool me ! ) to get their take on this development and while the actual piece itself ain't going to win any Pulitzer's, the comments BTL left me laughing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ ... -tax-bill/

How can people read a newspaper like that, nodding their little racist heads and be so clueless about economics, potitics, the EU..... just about every subject touching on this story.There are countless arseholes , typing furiously in their underwear, getting facts and truth totally arse about face.....

It's like BREXIT has open up a massive tin of Moron !!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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The Sun God wrote:I ventured onto the 'Torygraph' ( worse fool me ! ) to get their take on this development and while the actual piece itself ain't going to win any Pulitzer's, the comments BTL left me laughing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ ... -tax-bill/

How can people read a newspaper like that, nodding their little racist heads and be so clueless about economics, potitics, the EU..... just about every subject touching on this story.There are countless arseholes , typing furiously in their underwear, getting facts and truth totally arse about face.....

It's like BREXIT has open up a massive tin of Moron !!!
Colin Carroll
16 Jul 2020 1:43PM
Problem for the EU is is that they've probably spent that £11.8 billion already! They tend to assume that everything they do is right, therefore court cases will automatically go their way.
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Robin Holman
16 Jul 2020 11:02AM
Only a question of time that these companies start getting crushed by EU Legislation.

There is a small island off the coast of the EU,just north of Calais that would be a natural tax haven for them!!
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Hugh Soden
16 Jul 2020 8:09AM
The EUSSR cannot have this sort of thing happening. Prosecute a company that accepts the tax regime of a country and enjoys those advantages - must be prosecuted, but do nothing about the unlevel playing field created by the country.

Gross hypocracy
It's impressive.
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This is what happens when you dumb down an education system so much that you can get into a top Uni with A levels in Art, English,Interpretive dance and a fistful of wedge......
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YOYO wrote:
The Sun God wrote:This is what happens when you dumb down an education system so much that you can get into a top Uni with A levels in Art, English,Interpretive dance and a fistful of wedge......
The UK is a cesspit off ignorance and stupidity and getting worse. Thank god we are not part of it.
I love how a decision by an EU court about how Ireland tax (or don't) an American company becomes an excuse to hurl insults at the whole of the UK.
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So do I.
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