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As per below, thread for all trans tasman arguments. May this be the closest series between these two for a long time. Nice to see the Chappell Hadlee trophy back up for grabs after the Black Caps won it 2-0 in 2017.

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No t20s? That's great news, is this abomination of a format finally dying out? :twisted:
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No interest in the ODIs - NZ welcome to that title.

I just hope we can pull off a lucky draw in one of the Tests with the No.2 ranked team.
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True Blue wrote:No t20s? That's great news, is this abomination of a format finally dying out? :twisted:
There are 3 but they are in NZ and late March after the ODIs above.

The gap in the above schedule is to have India in NZ for 5x T20's, 3 x ODIs and 2 x Tests 24th Jan 2020 through to 4th march 2020
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Really looking forward to this series. Both teams dispatched their last opponents with disdain. NZ look settled. Australia...you never know.
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JPNZ wrote:
True Blue wrote:No t20s? That's great news, is this abomination of a format finally dying out? :twisted:
There are 3 but they are in NZ and late March after the ODIs above.

The gap in the above schedule is to have India in NZ for 5x T20's, 3 x ODIs and 2 x Tests 24th Jan 2020 through to 4th march 2020

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Can't wait. I'd be happy to win 1 test. A 1-1 series would be a huge success. 2-1 would be better than expected. The pink ball test is probably our best chance, but in Perth with no warmup games is going to be tough. Winning the toss will be key.

Unfortunately I'm picking 2-0 with Melbourne serving up another flat pitch. Hope I'm wrong, as I think on balance we'd get more players in a combined 'all conditions' XI - but Australia in Australia is a huge ask.

Would love to win the series, but just can't see it. Australia seem to be hitting form at the right time as usual, whereas one of our openers can't buy a run & our key bowler is coming in under an injury cloud.

I worry that the likes of Southee, CDG, and Santner will struggle on Australian pitches - a lot rests on Boult's fitness. Hope we see Ferguson get a go.
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Bindi wrote:No interest in the ODIs - NZ welcome to that title.

I just hope we can pull off a lucky draw in one of the Tests with the No.2 ranked team.
So do I.

They’ve worked hard for the ranking but after the most successful year since 2006 Aussie cricket has improved a lot. At home. In front of feral crowds... and kiwis.

I hope it’s competitive.
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Surprised this is getting written up as likely to be competitive.

The Australian team looked far more dangerous with bat ball and catching than NZ did despite NZ being in home conditions.

I think NZ will struggle on the Australian surfaces.

We dispatched England because they couldn't catch a cold all series.
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mrbrownstone wrote:...as I think on balance we'd get more players in a combined 'all conditions' XI - but Australia in Australia is a huge ask. .
1 David Warner
2 Tom Latham
3 Kane Williamson
4 Steve smith
5 Ross Taylor
6 M Labuschagne
7 BJ Watling
8 Mitchell Starc
9 Pat Cummins
10 N. Lyon
11 T. Boult

Bit of kiwi bias there - Hazlewood probably comes in for Boult. Warner doesn't make the side in "all conditions".
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J Man wrote:
mrbrownstone wrote:...as I think on balance we'd get more players in a combined 'all conditions' XI - but Australia in Australia is a huge ask. .
1 David Warner
2 Tom Latham
3 Kane Williamson
4 Steve smith
5 Ross Taylor
6 M Labuschagne
7 BJ Watling
8 Mitchell Starc
9 Pat Cummins
10 N. Lyon
11 T. Boult

Bit of kiwi bias there - Hazlewood probably comes in for Boult. Warner doesn't make the side in "all conditions".
I'd take Wagner over Starc. Starc obviously superior in Australia, but Wagner's #3 in the test rankings for a reason, while Starc only played 1 test in the Ashes.

You've already got Boult & Cummins to take the new ball, so I think Wagner offers better balance to the attack. Probably being biased though.

Agree with the rest, though you can make an argument for CDG depending on the pitch.
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mrbrownstone wrote:
J Man wrote:
mrbrownstone wrote:...as I think on balance we'd get more players in a combined 'all conditions' XI - but Australia in Australia is a huge ask. .
1 David Warner
2 Tom Latham
3 Kane Williamson
4 Steve smith
5 Ross Taylor
6 M Labuschagne
7 BJ Watling
8 Mitchell Starc
9 Pat Cummins
10 N. Lyon
11 T. Boult

Bit of kiwi bias there - Hazlewood probably comes in for Boult. Warner doesn't make the side in "all conditions".
I'd take Wagner over Starc. Starc obviously superior in Australia, but Wagner's #3 in the test rankings for a reason, while Starc only played 1 test in the Ashes.

You've already got Boult & Cummins to take the new ball, so I think Wagner offers better balance to the attack. Probably being biased though.

Agree with the rest, though you can make an argument for CDG depending on the pitch.
That middle order batting :shock:
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We re going to get deeeeeestroyed, if you believe otherwise I am afraid the only person you are kidding is yourself
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blackblackblack wrote:We re going to get deeeeeestroyed, if you believe otherwise I am afraid the only person you are kidding is yourself

I'm a frayed sew.
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I'm looking forward to the test series. I still expect Australia to win 3-0 comfortably though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=910VR2VJABs

Interesting to see Wasim Akram paid Martin Crowe the highest compliment.
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Tehui wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=910VR2VJABs

Interesting to see Wasim Akram paid Martin Crowe the highest compliment.
Couldn't be f**ked watching; did he call him a wanker?
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blackblackblack wrote:We re going to get deeeeeestroyed, if you believe otherwise I am afraid the only person you are kidding is yourself
Fair dinks you just take the mocker gods for utter mugs
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Some hopeful Kiwis on here! :D

We're going to get rolled.
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    Bindi wrote:
    Tehui wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=910VR2VJABs

    Interesting to see Wasim Akram paid Martin Crowe the highest compliment.
    Couldn't be f**ked watching; did he call him a wanker?
    Pretty much the opposite. Massive respect.
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    Finally, the real cricket season begins. :nod:


    Tests - 3-0 Australia.
    ODI - 2-1 Australia.

    But the hope is what will make me watch this series properly.
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    Auckman wrote:Finally, the real cricket season begins. :nod:


    Tests - 3-0 Australia.
    ODI - 2-1 Australia.

    But the hope is what will make me watch this series properly.
    I think we’ll be lucky with that 1. We’re going to get creamed in the tests.
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    Nobody's winning away from home recently, except India.
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    1st test will be interesting, Day Nighter, pink ball and only the 2nd test on the Optus stadium pitch. The 1st test Aus vs Ind produced a good match with all 20 wickets falling. The toss will be vital in the tests
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    J Man wrote:
    mrbrownstone wrote:...as I think on balance we'd get more players in a combined 'all conditions' XI - but Australia in Australia is a huge ask. .
    1 David Warner
    2 Tom Latham
    3 Kane Williamson
    4 Steve smith
    5 Ross Taylor
    6 M Labuschagne
    7 BJ Watling
    8 Mitchell Starc
    9 Pat Cummins
    10 N. Lyon
    11 T. Boult

    Bit of kiwi bias there - Hazlewood probably comes in for Boult. Warner doesn't make the side in "all conditions".
    Would love to see an ANZAC team versus the ROW. THey'd do pretty well.
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    If NZ were to have any chance they'd need to rewind the clock a decade or two and play 2-3 first class warm up games, to adjust to the extra bounce of Australian wickets. Unfortunately for them that's not happening, so I expect us to struggle for the first two tests and perhaps start to gain confidence for the 3rd test when it's too late to win the series.
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    Ali's Choice wrote:If NZ were to have any chance they'd need to rewind the clock a decade or two and play 2-3 first class warm up games, to adjust to the extra bounce of Australian wickets. Unfortunately for them that's not happening, so I expect us to struggle for the first two tests and perhaps start to gain confidence for the 3rd test when it's too late to win the series.
    Yes this is why home advantage is so overwhelming these days. No warm up games is a joke.
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    JPNZ wrote:1st test will be interesting, Day Nighter, pink ball and only the 2nd test on the Optus stadium pitch. The 1st test Aus vs Ind produced a good match with all 20 wickets falling. The toss will be vital in the tests
    Make one heap of all your winnings and risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss ...

    Well, the pitch and toss has become an arm around the neck.

    The answer may lie in another penny-throwing game
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    I'm personally not fussed by the mocker gods of the bored. Yes Australia thrashed Pakistan but who wouldn't.. Their test team is ranked 8th.

    Top 20 ICC Ranked

    Batsmen - Australia = 3 (Smith, Warner, Labuschagne) New Zealand = 5 (Williamson, Latham, Nicholls, Watling, Taylor)

    Bowlers - Australia = 3 (Cummins, Hazelwood, Starc) New Zealand = 3 (Wagner, Boult, Southee)

    We go in as underdogs, with no fanfare and no preparations. Nobody expects us to get close, bring it on!
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    True Blue wrote:No t20s? That's great news, is this abomination of a format finally dying out? :twisted:
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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    JPNZ wrote:I'm personally not fussed by the mocker gods of the bored. Yes Australia thrashed Pakistan but who wouldn't.. Their test team is ranked 8th.

    Top 20 ICC Ranked

    Batsmen - Australia = 3 (Smith, Warner, Labuschagne) New Zealand = 5 (Williamson, Latham, Nicholls, Watling, Taylor)

    Bowlers - Australia = 3 (Cummins, Hazelwood, Starc) New Zealand = 3 (Wagner, Boult, Southee)

    We go in as underdogs, with no fanfare and no preparations. Nobody expects us to get close, bring it on!
    I'll be supporting the Craps all the way. However I expected them to get a good thrashing
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    Ali's Choice wrote:If NZ were to have any chance they'd need to rewind the clock a decade or two and play 2-3 first class warm up games, to adjust to the extra bounce of Australian wickets. Unfortunately for them that's not happening, so I expect us to struggle for the first two tests and perhaps start to gain confidence for the 3rd test when it's too late to win the series.
    Even the order of the tests makes things hard - Melbourne and Sydney have been pretty flat in recent years. Would be much better to start on one of those pitches and try to 'ease' our way in.

    Instead, we start on a bouncy Perth wicket that's also helpful for spin (Lyon took 8 wickets there against India), in a day-night test when the Aussies have just creamed Pakistan with the pink ball. Our best hope is manipulating the game so we bowl with the new ball at night, and hope that bowler friendly conditions evens things up, as it often can.
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    I see the Fairfax writer expressing his hope that New Zealand can be competitive in today's edition of The Age.

    Sums it up really. :((
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    jdogscoop wrote:I see the Fairfax writer expressing his hope that New Zealand can be competitive in today's edition of The Age.

    Sums it up really. :((
    I wrote that I hope that the Aussies don’t cheat. I guess it’s all perspective...
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    I was planning on going to the boxing day test but after considering the Black Caps test record with me spectating live I sold my tickets in order to give them their best possible chance. Shame we didn't play them last summer. We're going to get smoked, especially after Nisbos comments on Warner :frown:
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    Some interesting stats:

    Batting averages last 2 years (5 tests or more)
    SPD Smith (AUS) 80.88
    KS Williamson (NZ) 63.42
    TWM Latham (NZ) 58.42
    HM Nicholls (NZ) 54.22
    M Labuschagne (AUS) 53.52
    BJ Watling (NZ) 52.31
    DA Warner (AUS) 50.85
    JA Burns (AUS) 50.14
    LRPL Taylor (NZ) 44.95
    C de Grandhomme (NZ) 43.8

    Bowling averages last 2 years (5 tests or more)

    PJ Cummins (AUS) 21.05
    N Wagner (NZ) 23.89
    TA Boult (NZ) 23.98
    TG Southee (NZ) 24.18
    JR Hazlewood (AUS) 26.98
    MA Starc (AUS) 27.65
    AY Patel (NZ) 32.18
    C de Grandhomme (NZ) 33.2
    NM Lyon (AUS) 35.12

    Entirely meaningless in Australian conditions, of course.
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    How does the Perth Stadium pitch compare to the WACA? I've not seen any cricket at the new place yet.
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    Tehui wrote:How does the Perth Stadium pitch compare to the WACA? I've not seen any cricket at the new place yet.
    It's the same clay.
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    Boult and CDG cleared for to travel to Australia. :thumbup:
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    JPNZ wrote:Boult and CDG cleared for to travel to Australia. :thumbup:
    Nice, Gary!






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