Irishers-Official 33rd Dáil Éireann election thread

Nolanator · Post by **Nolanator** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:34 am

Duff Paddy wrote:Are our young people so stupid that they believe that SF will deliver them cheap housing?

I don't know if they think that SF will, but that FF and FG have had their chance and can't deliver.

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:35 am

DragsterDriver wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Floppykid wrote:What's with the sudden burst of ra'head style nationalism?
It's all over social media, even from the most dweebish woke student journalist types.
Brexit bringing out the best in us.
You only needed to read this forum.
You thought we were bad?
Not a patch on Twitter that’s for sure! Brexit has deffo stirred up the anti Brit stuff.

It’s more a general rise in nationalism across Europe

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:37 am

Nolanator wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Are our young people so stupid that they believe that SF will deliver them cheap housing?
I don't know if they think that SF will, but that FF and FG have had their chance and can't deliver.

Yes agree this is the point - we’ve allowed SF to become the alternative choice and they’re willing to ignore their scummy side to stick it to the establishment. Full employment taken for granted already.

Winnie · Post by **Winnie** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:40 am

Duff Paddy wrote: It’s more a general rise in nationalism across Europe

That always works out so well

Willie Falloon · Post by **Willie Falloon** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:41 am

sewa wrote:
YOYO wrote:
sewa wrote:
YOYO wrote:What the fûck is this cookie Danny Healy Rea on? Hard to believe he masterminded his various small businesses to make a 0.5 mill euro profit this year. The hamster at the wheel must be working over time.

https://twitter.com/virginmedianews/sta ... 42272?s=21

Some parts of Kerry are so bloody backward.
If you can't see why that rhetoric works in rural Ireland then he isn't the dumb one
It was a general remark. Not a very fitting retort.
I am just saying that gombeenism plays well with his voters. Those boys are far from thick, they have created a dynasty down there

I know nothing about the guy, or 99% of your politicians or political make up. but most of those comments are from people who haven't as good a job as him, never will have as good a job as him, probably live in a rented house, with no-where near as much ££££ and yet are calling him stupid.

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:41 am

Duff Paddy wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Are our young people so stupid that they believe that SF will deliver them cheap housing?
I don't know if they think that SF will, but that FF and FG have had their chance and can't deliver.
Yes agree this is the point - we’ve allowed SF to become the alternative choice and they’re willing to ignore their scummy side to stick it to the establishment. Full employment taken for granted already.

Just to add to this it looks like history will regard the confidence and supply agreement as a massive mistake as it positioned FF and FG as two sides of the same coin, with SF as a credible alternative for the first time

unseenwork · Post by **unseenwork** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:42 am

Duff Paddy wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Are our young people so stupid that they believe that SF will deliver them cheap housing?
I don't know if they think that SF will, but that FF and FG have had their chance and can't deliver.
Yes agree this is the point - we’ve allowed SF to become the alternative choice and they’re willing to ignore their scummy side to stick it to the establishment. Full employment taken for granted already.

Or, much as in the UK, full employment or close to full employment doesn't tell the entire situation.

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:44 am

unseenwork wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Are our young people so stupid that they believe that SF will deliver them cheap housing?
I don't know if they think that SF will, but that FF and FG have had their chance and can't deliver.
Yes agree this is the point - we’ve allowed SF to become the alternative choice and they’re willing to ignore their scummy side to stick it to the establishment. Full employment taken for granted already.
Or, much as in the UK, full employment or close to full employment doesn't tell the entire situation.

Fair point. We do a hell of a lot for the working poor in Ireland though, especially in contrast to Universal Credit in the UK

Gavin Duffy · Post by **Gavin Duffy** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:46 am

Just over a year ago https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/sinn ... -1.3768126

Leinsterman · Post by **Leinsterman** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:49 am

Duff Paddy wrote:Are our young people so stupid that they believe that SF will deliver them cheap housing?

Yes and older people are stupid enough to believe that they'll fix the health service

eldanielfire · Post by **eldanielfire** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:53 am

Leinsterman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Are our young people so stupid that they believe that SF will deliver them cheap housing?
Yes and older people are stupid enough to believe that they'll fix the health service

The question is why can't the current lot fix these problems? Certainly the housing price problem is a fairly global issue for major cities (which of course have the jobs and opportunities in this globalised world) and it seems no government would tackle it. I was mildly in agreement with Corbyn's 2017 proposals that governments build the houses (yes that has issues) but they never say gave a rice for what cheap is. It should be £100k in London to be affordable, but most would agree that is ludicrous in reality given the market values.

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:53 am

Winnie wrote:Today have a good look at your neighbours and your work colleagues
Many of them will have voted for those fûckers in SF
Feels horrible doesn’t it?

Welcome to our world, except the fact that many of our SF elected actually pulled the trigger

I feel you buddy

danthefan · Post by **danthefan** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:55 am

The only bit of comfort here is that 75%+ didn't give the scum a first preference, but yeah this is a grim morning.

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:56 am

Duff Paddy wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Are our young people so stupid that they believe that SF will deliver them cheap housing?
I don't know if they think that SF will, but that FF and FG have had their chance and can't deliver.
Yes agree this is the point - we’ve allowed SF to become the alternative choice and they’re willing to ignore their scummy side to stick it to the establishment. Full employment taken for granted already.
Just to add to this it looks like history will regard the confidence and supply agreement as a massive mistake as it positioned FF and FG as two sides of the same coin, with SF as a credible alternative for the first time

It had to be done. A tide of idicocy doesnt change the fact that FF and FG did the right thing.

EverReady · Post by **EverReady** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:58 am

Willie Falloon wrote:
sewa wrote:
YOYO wrote:
sewa wrote:
YOYO wrote:What the fûck is this cookie Danny Healy Rea on? Hard to believe he masterminded his various small businesses to make a 0.5 mill euro profit this year. The hamster at the wheel must be working over time.

https://twitter.com/virginmedianews/sta ... 42272?s=21

Some parts of Kerry are so bloody backward.
If you can't see why that rhetoric works in rural Ireland then he isn't the dumb one
It was a general remark. Not a very fitting retort.
I am just saying that gombeenism plays well with his voters. Those boys are far from thick, they have created a dynasty down there
I know nothing about the guy, or 99% of your politicians or political make up. but most of those comments are from people who haven't as good a job as him, never will have as good a job as him, probably live in a rented house, with no-where near as much ££££ and yet are calling him stupid.

Wealth isn't associated with intelligence. People inherit things like farms and networks. They can be thick as pig shit and keep making a living. If let's argue Danny isn't thick as fück well then he is morally bankrupt instead

Edit: fücking Russian autocorrects

fishfoodie · Post by **fishfoodie** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:18 am

Mullet 2 wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Are our young people so stupid that they believe that SF will deliver them cheap housing?
I don't know if they think that SF will, but that FF and FG have had their chance and can't deliver.
Yes agree this is the point - we’ve allowed SF to become the alternative choice and they’re willing to ignore their scummy side to stick it to the establishment. Full employment taken for granted already.
Just to add to this it looks like history will regard the confidence and supply agreement as a massive mistake as it positioned FF and FG as two sides of the same coin, with SF as a credible alternative for the first time

It had to be done. A tide of idicocy doesnt change the fact that FF and FG did the right thing.

This !

And if it was the right thing then; then it's certainly the right thing now.

Otherwise it's 81/82 all over again, & they won't even bother to take down the posters, because they'll need them again in 6 months.

Liathroidigloine · Post by **Liathroidigloine** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:18 am

So we are boggers and mucksavages and yet we elect 2 FF and 1 FG out of 4 seats. The biggest issue I have is that we not only elected a Shinner but a Dub Shinner.

Flametop · Post by **Flametop** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:22 am

I can’t see another C & S between FF and FG.
The people who were willing to vote for scum will be enraged that despite all the gains for SF, that in their eyes nothing will have changed if FF/FG stay in power.

The will reload for the next election with far more candidates and could end up with a sizeable majority next time.

anonymous_joe · Post by **anonymous_joe** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:22 am

Surprised how little discussion there's been over the low turnout.

62% for the first election in a long time.

Liathroidigloine · Post by **Liathroidigloine** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:22 am

Mullet,

Let HQ know that a deal with SF will see our 4 FF votes disappear forever.

anonymous_joe · Post by **anonymous_joe** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:23 am

What's that old Haughey quote about FF once claiming they'd never enter the Dáil?

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:25 am

RTE are fúcking incredible.

Telling us for years FF and FG are the same. Without missing a beat they are now saying the same about FF and SF. I actually feel unwell.

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:26 am

Winnie wrote:Today have a good look at your neighbours and your work colleagues
Many of them will have voted for those fûckers in SF
Feels horrible doesn’t it?

Welcome to our world, except the fact that many of our SF elected actually pulled the trigger

Not that way in my workplace but we're not the best barometer!

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:27 am

Liathroidigloine wrote:Mullet,

Let HQ know that a deal with SF will see our 4 FF votes disappear forever.

Ring your FF TDs lads.

Don't hold back now.

Liathroidigloine · Post by **Liathroidigloine** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:27 am

Martin should spin it that SF got the biggest vote, the people have spoken and it's up to them to form a Government. We are due a crash in the next 18 months and it could kill them off for a decade or two.

Liathroidigloine · Post by **Liathroidigloine** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:27 am

Mullet 2 wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:Mullet,

Let HQ know that a deal with SF will see our 4 FF votes disappear forever.

Ring your FF TDs lads.

Don't hold back now.

Already texted him.

Flametop · Post by **Flametop** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:28 am

How much damage can you do in 18 months?

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:30 am

Mullet 2 wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:Mullet,

Let HQ know that a deal with SF will see our 4 FF votes disappear forever.

Ring your FF TDs lads.

Don't hold back now.

Where do we end up then Mullet?

I thought back in 2016 that FF could never do coalition or C&S with FG as it would help SF but they did.

It seems we're on an inevitable road here.

We need to war game here on what the best outcomes of this are. Seems as though FG are already retreating the opposition benches which I don't agree with given that we potentially have SF in Government.

EverReady · Post by **EverReady** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:32 am

They are bright. Brexit and recession are going to be ugly

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:33 am

EverReady wrote:They are bright. Brexit and recession are going to be ugly

Possibly, but we don't want another election.

It won't be possible to form a government without one of FG or FF.

Flametop · Post by **Flametop** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:33 am

Tactically it’s a good move by FG.
They can claim they inherited a economic mess and turned it around (not everybody will agree that it help them personally) and the place all went to shit after they were forced to leave.
Sit back and play without the ball for a while until the other parties turn on each other.

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:35 am

Flametop wrote:Tactically it’s a good move by FG.
They can claim they inherited a economic mess and turned it around (not everybody will agree that it help them personally) and the place all went to shit after they were forced to leave.
Sit back and play without the ball for a while until the other parties turn on each other.

I get that in the medium term.

But the danger remains that we end up with another election. That has to be avoided at all costs.

Boxcar Ira · Post by **Boxcar Ira** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:37 am

Flametop wrote:Tactically it’s a good move by FG.
They can claim they inherited a economic mess and turned it around (not everybody will agree that it help them personally) and the place all went to shit after they were forced to leave.
Sit back and play without the ball for a while until the other parties turn on each other.

SF and FF will be thinking the exact same. None of the 3 parties are that stupid.

FG as the outgoing party and the party who just got a bloody nose are well within their rights now to take the oppositon seats. FF and SF is effectively what the country has asked for. Let's see what they've got.

danthefan · Post by **danthefan** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:37 am

Only 51% turnout in Dublin Central which is Paschal Donohue and Mary-Lou's constituency.

de_Selby · Post by **de_Selby** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:41 am

Mullet 2 wrote:RTE are fúcking incredible.

Telling us for years FF and FG are the same. Without missing a beat they are now saying the same about FF and SF. I actually feel unwell.

I just heard them say that on morning Ireland - something to the effect of "the main problem with FF and SF has been differentiating themselves because they are so similar"

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:44 am

Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:Mullet,

Let HQ know that a deal with SF will see our 4 FF votes disappear forever.

Ring your FF TDs lads.

Don't hold back now.
Where do we end up then Mullet?

I thought back in 2016 that FF could never do coalition or C&S with FG as it would help SF but they did.

It seems we're on an inevitable road here.

We need to war game here on what the best outcomes of this are. Seems as though FG are already retreating the opposition benches which I don't agree with given that we potentially have SF in Government.

SF have been eating everybody alive because they're praised for sitting on their hands.

It's time FG and FF did the same. Spin it out until the summer and go to the country.

If the tide goes out then great, if it doesn't then let them Govern. Why did we keep letting them stay in opposition growing.

Somebody has to take them on at their own game.

fishfoodie · Post by **fishfoodie** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:44 am

Flametop wrote:How much damage can you do in 18 months?

Have a look across the water at what English Nationalism, achieved, in a short time, & draw your own conclusions.

Liathroidigloine · Post by **Liathroidigloine** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:44 am

danthefan wrote:Only 51% turnout in Dublin Central which is Paschal Donohue and Mary-Lou's constituency.

Dreadful that the quota was only 6800 approx. whereas others needed approx. 12,000.

Boxcar Ira · Post by **Boxcar Ira** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:48 am

de_Selby wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:RTE are fúcking incredible.

Telling us for years FF and FG are the same. Without missing a beat they are now saying the same about FF and SF. I actually feel unwell.
I just heard them say that on morning Ireland - something to the effect of "the main problem with FF and SF has been differentiating themselves because they are so similar"

The media including RTE and the Indo have a lot of this on their hands. They have bagged the government for years and then scramble like mad in the past few days to big them up and shoot SF down. Too little too late.

CM11 · Post by **CM11** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:49 am

So the Saturday option looks to have been a complete disaster. Definitely didn't mobilise the middle classes. I'm ashamed of my constituents, you've 15 hours to get to the polling stations, it takes 2 minutes to vote.

Anyway, SF and FF will dance around each other but both know it'll harm them if they go into government together so it'll all be about who gets to control the narrative and that's looking like SF in a massive lead right now.

The stupid FFers talking about going in with them need to be shot.

Who are you voting for