Irishers-Official 33rd Dáil Éireann election thread

ticketlessinseattle · Post by **ticketlessinseattle** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:17 pm

camroc1 wrote:

A number of things will change before the next election whether that's in three months or three years,

The first is that SF will be seen as a potential government party and it's policies and spokes persons will come under considerable media gaze, analysis and criticism.
Secondly, SF have reaped the benefit of a general anti-establishment feeling, and keeping that additional 10% or so of their vote will be difficult when they are striving to become the establishment themselves.
Thirdly, as I noted previously, making the jump from one TD per constituency to two, is actually quite a difficult trick to pull off.
And finally, the full glare of FF and FG will be brought to bear on SF, and a goodly proportion of the lumps they normally knock out of each other will now be aimed at SF.[/quote]

yup - I don't think another general election automatically means a lot more seats for SF

Conspicuous · Post by **Conspicuous** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:17 pm

The Sun God wrote:So Kate O'Connell fails to be re-elected..!! I guess there are consequences when wealthy politicians attempt stunts to get media attention.

Good riddance to her

Nolanator · Post by **Nolanator** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:20 pm

Conspicuous wrote:
The Sun God wrote:So Kate O'Connell fails to be re-elected..!! I guess there are consequences when wealthy politicians attempt stunts to get media attention.
Good riddance to her

I know nothing about her besides her name. What was her deal?

Boxcar Ira · Post by **Boxcar Ira** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:20 pm

Conspicuous wrote:
The Sun God wrote:So Kate O'Connell fails to be re-elected..!! I guess there are consequences when wealthy politicians attempt stunts to get media attention.
Good riddance to her

Her loss is a Sinner gain

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:22 pm

normilet wrote:
It's all emotion, tweets and meme's. SF have the machine to control that so forget political analysis.

What do you think is best for the country long term?
I was attempting to have a debate with some otherwise sane people who would be anti-FF/FG and voted SF.

All I got back were memes, photoshopped pictures of Coveney leading Varadkar in a gimp suit, and the most mind blowingly inaccurate statistics: "100,000 homeless people in Dublin alone, 20,000 people on trollies, no bankers pay any tax since the bailout" etc.

They also literally do not give a toss about the past when its specific to SF, but happy to bitch about FF and FG facilitating church abuse, Tuam baby thing etc. It's not even selective amnesia, they know full well what happened, they just don't care.

You just can't win against that. Or at least, I don't see how you can win against that currently.

There is some "Vice" reporter in Dublin giving it big licks on twitter, engaging in a bit of national exceptionalism.

To all the UK pundits looking to understand the Irish election: this is what happens when a country experiences austerity and the electorate isn't stupid and racist

Only 25% voted for SF but the perception is that SF have won. Ignoring all of SF's atrocities, it's so depressing.

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:25 pm

Want to get more depressed? They have won

Boxcar Ira · Post by **Boxcar Ira** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:26 pm

Mullet 2 wrote:Want to get more depressed? They have won

Who? Those in favour of FF /SF?

Floppykid · Post by **Floppykid** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:27 pm

Paulie D.
Typical Bernie/Corbyn/Chapo privileged grandstanding dope.

Boxcar Ira · Post by **Boxcar Ira** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:28 pm

Timmy Dooley appears to have lost out to another no name. One of the good guys lost there.

Banana Man · Post by **Banana Man** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:29 pm

Boxcar Ira wrote:Timmy Dooley appears to have lost out to another no name. One of the good guys lost there.

Oh don't know about that. Timmy has never been as popular as he thinks he was in Clare

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:29 pm

Boxcar Ira wrote:Timmy Dooley appears to have lost out to another no name. One of the good guys lost there.

Well that's cheered me up a little

Boxcar Ira · Post by **Boxcar Ira** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:30 pm

Banana Man wrote:
Boxcar Ira wrote:Timmy Dooley appears to have lost out to another no name. One of the good guys lost there.
Oh don't know about that. Timmy has never been as popular as he thinks he was in Clare

Clearly not!

Conspicuous · Post by **Conspicuous** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:30 pm

Nolanator wrote:
Conspicuous wrote:
The Sun God wrote:So Kate O'Connell fails to be re-elected..!! I guess there are consequences when wealthy politicians attempt stunts to get media attention.
Good riddance to her
I know nothing about her besides her name. What was her deal?

Ah personal connections, she’s not a nice person from what I believe. Did a lot of distasteful grandstanding after the abortion referendum too

Boxcar Ira · Post by **Boxcar Ira** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:31 pm

I definitely would though

Leinsterman · Post by **Leinsterman** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:33 pm

Higgins, Curran and Kenny in a battle for the last 2 seats in Dublin Mid West.
Gogarty has been eliminated and his votes are now being transferred.
Higgins is 1800 ahead of Curran who is only one or two hundred ahead of Kenny. Hard to say who Gogarty will transfer to. You'd think the transfers will go to Curran and Higgins rather than Kenny.

Conspicuous · Post by **Conspicuous** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:34 pm

Boxcar Ira wrote:I definitely would though

Ah yeah

Mullet 2 · Post by **Mullet 2** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:34 pm

Leinsterman wrote:Higgins, Curran and Kenny in a battle for the last 2 seats in Dublin Mid West.
Gogarty has been eliminated and his votes are now being transferred.
Higgins is 1800 ahead of Curran who is only one or two hundred ahead of Kenny. Hard to say who Gogarty will transfer to. You'd think the transfers will go to Curran and Higgins rather than Kenny.

Jesus

Leinsterman · Post by **Leinsterman** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:37 pm

Mullet 2 wrote:
Leinsterman wrote:Higgins, Curran and Kenny in a battle for the last 2 seats in Dublin Mid West.
Gogarty has been eliminated and his votes are now being transferred.
Higgins is 1800 ahead of Curran who is only one or two hundred ahead of Kenny. Hard to say who Gogarty will transfer to. You'd think the transfers will go to Curran and Higgins rather than Kenny.

Jesus

Curran's traditional core in Clondalkin appear to have abandoned him for the Shinners

Banana Man · Post by **Banana Man** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:37 pm

Boxcar Ira wrote:
Banana Man wrote:
Boxcar Ira wrote:Timmy Dooley appears to have lost out to another no name. One of the good guys lost there.
Oh don't know about that. Timmy has never been as popular as he thinks he was in Clare
Clearly not!

To clarify, I fúcking hate Timmy Dooley!

Banana Man · Post by **Banana Man** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:39 pm

Mullet 2 wrote:
Leinsterman wrote:Higgins, Curran and Kenny in a battle for the last 2 seats in Dublin Mid West.
Gogarty has been eliminated and his votes are now being transferred.
Higgins is 1800 ahead of Curran who is only one or two hundred ahead of Kenny. Hard to say who Gogarty will transfer to. You'd think the transfers will go to Curran and Higgins rather than Kenny.

Jesus

Jesus is right.... 2 SF and 1 loony toon in the constituency would be f**king grim.

Liathroidigloine · Post by **Liathroidigloine** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:43 pm

All I can say is you Dubs are welcome to Dublin. Full of f**king loons and scumbags.

On top of that I was charged €15 for two pints of Guinness in LR on Saturday.

Lazy Couch potato · Post by **Lazy Couch potato** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:46 pm

One of biggest issues I see is the amount of airtime the more presentable /less semtexy guys in sf will get now. Lads like o brion and o ‘laoire are too young to be directly linked with the troubles.

Ff won’t ever ever get a preference from me if they get into bed with Mary Lou

sewa · Post by **sewa** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:46 pm

Jan O'Sullivan gone in Limerick, sad day, she was a great politician.

Lazy Couch potato · Post by **Lazy Couch potato** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:47 pm

sewa wrote:Jan O'Sullivan gone in Limerick, sad day, she was a great politician.

Ya. Always liked her. A decent sort

etherman · Post by **etherman** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:47 pm

The belated bleating about the PIRA from the mexicans here is hilarious. Youve spent the last decade or more telling the unionists to get over it and power share and now faced with the same reality you shit the bed about things you never cared about before. The general reaction to Paul Quinn type events has been "nordies being nordies' or "scum killing scum." So suck it up and enjoy your buttermilk.

Floppykid · Post by **Floppykid** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:47 pm

Lazy Couch potato wrote:One of biggest issues I see is the amount of airtime the more presentable /less semtexy guys in sf will get now. Lads like o brion and o ‘laoire are too young to be directly linked with the troubles.

Ff won’t ever ever get a preference from me if they get into bed with Mary Lou

I gave them preferences and I'll be sickened if they get into bed with SF.

my 2 cents · Post by **my 2 cents** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:48 pm

iarmhiman wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Boxcar Ira wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote: In my heart of hearts I think I won't be a FF voter or member by the end of the month. If a deal is done I'll vote Fine Gael 1 & 2 and leave it at that.
That's extremely sad

I could see FF TD's splitting now. Those who will sit with SF and those who wont. That would be great for Mary Lou. FF beating FG this time is a real poisoned chalice
How many do you think would be that strong in their convictions?
No more than FF were seen as FG in this election, if FF go in with SF, it'll solidify the link between the two and SF have the momentum to swallow FF. That will be the biggest question all the FF TDs have to ask themselves. Not 'do I want to go into government with SF' but 'Do I want to join SF' because going in with them starts that process. Really think they'd be mad to do it.
Does FF going into coalition with FG put the shinners into government next election?

Not if they keep doing forming coalitions... Probably advisable bringing SF in somehow. Leaving them out with the biggest mandate would play to their victimhood strength. That alone would be unbearable in the media. Actually fudge it, freeze them out and let them worry about Irish politics instead of the inevitable border poll they'll be angling for. plum

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:49 pm

Floppykid wrote:Paulie D.
Typical Bernie/Corbyn/Chapo privileged grandstanding dope.

I’ve been having a think of some of the journalists and academics and their enabling of the Shinners online. There’s a few categories of them.

Nolanator · Post by **Nolanator** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:50 pm

Flicking through the count tracker in various constituencies it's very obvious that a lot of transfers are going between SD and Green, and Labout and PBP. Indos largely going to other indos. FG only really picking up big numbers from running mates and a bit of SD.

Lazy Couch potato · Post by **Lazy Couch potato** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:52 pm

Floppykid wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:One of biggest issues I see is the amount of airtime the more presentable /less semtexy guys in sf will get now. Lads like o brion and o ‘laoire are too young to be directly linked with the troubles.

Ff won’t ever ever get a preference from me if they get into bed with Mary Lou
I gave them preferences and I'll be sickened if they get into bed with SF.

I’ve always floated ff/fg. Always looked at the dail arithmetic as much as the candidate.
Swapping every few terms stopped too much power etc. I’d have zero issue if this was a labour wave as much as it’d hit the pocket. A party that killed guards in power. Makes me want to vomit

Blackrock Bullet · Post by **Blackrock Bullet** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:52 pm

etherman wrote:The belated bleating about the PIRA from the mexicans here is hilarious. Youve spent the last decade or more telling the unionists to get over it and power share and now faced with the same reality you shit the bed about things you never cared about before. The general reaction to Paul Quinn type events has been "nordies being nordies' or "scum killing scum." So suck it up and enjoy your buttermilk.

No we don’t.

We say you made an agreement and you need to stick to it.

It’s an agreement in a daycare democracy.

I see another one peddling this “Paul Quinn wasn’t reported” myth.

Floppykid · Post by **Floppykid** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:53 pm

Blackrock Bullet wrote:
Floppykid wrote:Paulie D.
Typical Bernie/Corbyn/Chapo privileged grandstanding dope.
I’ve been having a think of some of the journalists and academics and their enabling of the Shinners online. There’s a few categories of them.

Long for the days when they would end up champagne socialists and Labour supporters.

That party's disintegration has been catastrophic.

MunsterMan!!!!! · Post by **MunsterMan!!!!!** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:54 pm

etherman wrote:The belated bleating about the PIRA from the mexicans here is hilarious. Youve spent the last decade or more telling the unionists to get over it and power share and now faced with the same reality you shit the bed about things you never cared about before. The general reaction to Paul Quinn type events has been "nordies being nordies' or "scum killing scum." So suck it up and enjoy your buttermilk.

What the fudge are you on about you gowl.

Floppykid · Post by **Floppykid** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:55 pm

Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:One of biggest issues I see is the amount of airtime the more presentable /less semtexy guys in sf will get now. Lads like o brion and o ‘laoire are too young to be directly linked with the troubles.

Ff won’t ever ever get a preference from me if they get into bed with Mary Lou
I gave them preferences and I'll be sickened if they get into bed with SF.
I’ve always floated ff/fg. Always looked at the dail arithmetic as much as the candidate.
Swapping every few terms stopped too much power etc. I’d have zero issue if this was a labour wave as much as it’d hit the pocket. A party that killed guards in power. Makes me want to vomit

SF Minister for Justice.

Floppykid · Post by **Floppykid** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:55 pm

MunsterMan!!!!! wrote:
etherman wrote:The belated bleating about the PIRA from the mexicans here is hilarious. Youve spent the last decade or more telling the unionists to get over it and power share and now faced with the same reality you shit the bed about things you never cared about before. The general reaction to Paul Quinn type events has been "nordies being nordies' or "scum killing scum." So suck it up and enjoy your buttermilk.

What the fudge are you on about you gowl.

Spite politics.

Nolanator · Post by **Nolanator** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:58 pm

Floppykid wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:One of biggest issues I see is the amount of airtime the more presentable /less semtexy guys in sf will get now. Lads like o brion and o ‘laoire are too young to be directly linked with the troubles.

Ff won’t ever ever get a preference from me if they get into bed with Mary Lou
I gave them preferences and I'll be sickened if they get into bed with SF.
I’ve always floated ff/fg. Always looked at the dail arithmetic as much as the candidate.
Swapping every few terms stopped too much power etc. I’d have zero issue if this was a labour wave as much as it’d hit the pocket. A party that killed guards in power. Makes me want to vomit
SF Minister for Justice.

Surely that can't happen?

Lazy Couch potato · Post by **Lazy Couch potato** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:58 pm

Floppykid wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:One of biggest issues I see is the amount of airtime the more presentable /less semtexy guys in sf will get now. Lads like o brion and o ‘laoire are too young to be directly linked with the troubles.

Ff won’t ever ever get a preference from me if they get into bed with Mary Lou
I gave them preferences and I'll be sickened if they get into bed with SF.
I’ve always floated ff/fg. Always looked at the dail arithmetic as much as the candidate.
Swapping every few terms stopped too much power etc. I’d have zero issue if this was a labour wave as much as it’d hit the pocket. A party that killed guards in power. Makes me want to vomit
SF Minister for Justice.

My only hope is a long betracted public discussion for government allowing at least some discussion of these issues.

Some of the journos are rubbing themselves raw with this winds of change.

iarmhiman · Post by **iarmhiman** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:02 pm

Mullet 2 wrote:Want to get more depressed? They have won

What's this now?

Are you talking about most seats or the FF split ?

iarmhiman · Post by **iarmhiman** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:02 pm

Nolanator wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:One of biggest issues I see is the amount of airtime the more presentable /less semtexy guys in sf will get now. Lads like o brion and o ‘laoire are too young to be directly linked with the troubles.

Ff won’t ever ever get a preference from me if they get into bed with Mary Lou
I gave them preferences and I'll be sickened if they get into bed with SF.
I’ve always floated ff/fg. Always looked at the dail arithmetic as much as the candidate.
Swapping every few terms stopped too much power etc. I’d have zero issue if this was a labour wave as much as it’d hit the pocket. A party that killed guards in power. Makes me want to vomit
SF Minister for Justice.
Surely that can't happen?

They won't get near justice, finance or enterprise.

Liathroidigloine · Post by **Liathroidigloine** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:04 pm

Floppykid wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:One of biggest issues I see is the amount of airtime the more presentable /less semtexy guys in sf will get now. Lads like o brion and o ‘laoire are too young to be directly linked with the troubles.

Ff won’t ever ever get a preference from me if they get into bed with Mary Lou
I gave them preferences and I'll be sickened if they get into bed with SF.
I’ve always floated ff/fg. Always looked at the dail arithmetic as much as the candidate.
Swapping every few terms stopped too much power etc. I’d have zero issue if this was a labour wave as much as it’d hit the pocket. A party that killed guards in power. Makes me want to vomit
SF Minister for Justice.

Dessie Ellis, he knows his way around the courts.

Who are you voting for