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Banana Man wrote:Jack Chambers you actual mentaller!

JoeyFantastic wrote:

Flametop wrote:

CM11 wrote:The breakdown in the Ipsos poll is shocking. It's not till you get to 50+ before SF are not backed. 35-49 is at 30%. 19%&18% for FF/FG respectively.

It's beyond a joke now. What the actual f**k?

There’s no doubt that’s the generation that has been fûcked without being wined and dined first.
People hate FFG so much that they want to put IRA murderers into power.
I don’t blame them for the first, I do for the second.

SF's tax policies would make houses cheaper by crashing the economy, so swings and roundabouts i guess...

Relative to wages, houses are too expensive.
People have had enough.
So much so that they are prepared to vote the IRA into government.
Jesus wept.

Flametop wrote:

CM11 wrote:

JoeyFantastic wrote:

CM11 wrote:The breakdown in the Ipsos poll is shocking. It's not till you get to 50+ before SF are not backed. 35-49 is at 30%. 19%&18% for FF/FG respectively.

It's beyond a joke now. What the actual f**k?

FF have done an excellent job in convincing the nation FG are incompetent (aided by actual incompetence from FG). Problem is the votes aren't going to FF....

Yep. Mullet assured me they would. Either there or the Greens.

Tbf, it won't be as bad on the day for various reasons but still, it's a shocking testament to the f**ked up state of democracy. I am assuming this turnaround is being fed massively in social media so you've at least got to hand it to SF for a spectacular campaign.

Pity a few of their supporters don’t dig a little into history about some of their previous campaigns.

Yup. FF/FG have to unite now in the final days to push this home.

CM11 wrote:

Banana Man wrote:Jack Chambers you actual mentaller!

On Claire Byrne has had a number of melt downs, started getting fairly passive aggressive at her.

CM11 wrote:

Flametop wrote:

CM11 wrote:

JoeyFantastic wrote:

CM11 wrote:The breakdown in the Ipsos poll is shocking. It's not till you get to 50+ before SF are not backed. 35-49 is at 30%. 19%&18% for FF/FG respectively.

It's beyond a joke now. What the actual f**k?

FF have done an excellent job in convincing the nation FG are incompetent (aided by actual incompetence from FG). Problem is the votes aren't going to FF....

Yep. Mullet assured me they would. Either there or the Greens.

Tbf, it won't be as bad on the day for various reasons but still, it's a shocking testament to the f**ked up state of democracy. I am assuming this turnaround is being fed massively in social media so you've at least got to hand it to SF for a spectacular campaign.

Pity a few of their supporters don’t dig a little into history about some of their previous campaigns.

Yup. FF/FG have to unite now in the final days to push this home.

This.
A full on history lesson on social media and everywhere else is required.
Half of these voters wouldn’t even remember the good Friday agreement.

FF actively fomented the misery narrative for the last few years so as not to be outflanked by the left

Now its come back to bite everyone on the arse

Well done mullet & co

camroc1 wrote:The media have painted this country as some sort of dystopia governed by a party of Thatcherite preferences, aided and abetted by Sf and the lefties (who you'd expect), and FF, who sold their long term soul to the populist devil inreturn for what they thought would be government in the short term.

The fact that we're one of the happiest, most equal, wealthiest countries in the world is completely ignored.

I am loathe to agree but pretty much this.

Admittedly the Midwest is one of the wealthiest parts of Ireland, God knows, maybe it is bleaker elsewhere.

Flametop wrote:

JoeyFantastic wrote:

Flametop wrote:

CM11 wrote:The breakdown in the Ipsos poll is shocking. It's not till you get to 50+ before SF are not backed. 35-49 is at 30%. 19%&18% for FF/FG respectively.

It's beyond a joke now. What the actual f**k?

There’s no doubt that’s the generation that has been fûcked without being wined and dined first.
People hate FFG so much that they want to put IRA murderers into power.
I don’t blame them for the first, I do for the second.

SF's tax policies would make houses cheaper by crashing the economy, so swings and roundabouts i guess...

Relative to wages, houses are too expensive.
People have had enough.
So much so that they are prepared to vote the IRA into government.
Jesus wept.

Deal with land prices then.

That is the primary reason green field houses are so expensive.

And that profit (the price difference between agricultural land and land with PP) is pocketed by speculators.

by way of example of the pernicious effects of a youthful and profoundly stupid media in Ireland, which is incapable of interrogating the bluster of the left .....

There are 90 rough sleepers in Dublin ..... 9,000 in London
There are less than 10,000 people in emergency accommodation in Ireland ...... over 320,000 in the UK

homelessness in Ireland is essentially fake news
not being able to afford to buy a home in booming cities is a worldwide phenomenon
rents can only be dealt with by supply
we have thousands of 3 and 4 bed council houses occupied by one or two people
we have a massive 'over the shop' capacity that is marooned by stupid planning regs, championed by the left


FF saw electoral gain in making a 'holier than thou' song and dance about the housing issue, and opened the door for the shinners to hoover up the exceedingly stupid millennial vote, with their 'hey presto' solutions to everything.

I'm not sure why i despise FF the most ..... for wrecking the country 10 years ago, or for opening the door for sinn fein in 2020

Banana Man wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Banana Man wrote:Jack Chambers you actual mentaller!

On Claire Byrne has had a number of melt downs, started getting fairly passive aggressive at her.

He got fairly owned by Catherine martin there as well.

EOB isn't doing well either, getting talked over a good bit.

Burton is good.

I wouldn't say it's necessarily populism (or whatever that is) carrying SF votes.

They are second to none in public relations. They wipe the floor with the rest up north. It's like they're playing a different game altogether.

Perhaps the FF/FG duopoly is a bit behind the curve. Never underestimate SF.

Claire Byrne.
I definitely would.

Social media is flooded with Corbyn level lunacy for SF and other waster left parties.

Banana Man wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Banana Man wrote:Jack Chambers you actual mentaller!

On Claire Byrne has had a number of melt downs, started getting fairly passive aggressive at her.

Yeah that’s what I’m watching. He lost control there for a while, didn’t come across very well at all

Floppykid wrote:Claire Byrne.
I definitely would.

100%

Catherine martin too, I might be able to make her simile

Sinn Fein.

Remember the good old days when you lads felt like a credible modern nation compared to Brexit Britain ?

Conspicuous wrote:

Banana Man wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Banana Man wrote:Jack Chambers you actual mentaller!

On Claire Byrne has had a number of melt downs, started getting fairly passive aggressive at her.

Yeah that’s what I’m watching. He lost control there for a while, didn’t come across very well at all

Yay, he went too far and too many times, it would have been no harm for ff to go on the SF attack but that was poor execution. I'm still no sure if it was a bad thing for the voters FF are trying to win back though

wreckthehouse wrote: Sinn Fein.

Remember the good old days when you lads felt like a credible modern nation compared to Brexit Britain ?

Maybe the country has to go through SF being in power, or close to power, in order to learn the lesson?

The prospect of Sinn Fein getting it's paws into the Department of Justice should concentrate minds.

MunsterMan!!!!! wrote:

Conspicuous wrote:

Banana Man wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Banana Man wrote:Jack Chambers you actual mentaller!

On Claire Byrne has had a number of melt downs, started getting fairly passive aggressive at her.

Yeah that’s what I’m watching. He lost control there for a while, didn’t come across very well at all

Yay, he went too far and too many times, it would have been no harm for ff to go on the SF attack but that was poor execution. I'm still no sure if it was a bad thing for the voters FF are trying to win back though

Who in FF thought he would be the right person to roll out for a 90 min climate debate.

It probably highlight FF poor front bench if not anything else.

rfurlong wrote:by way of example of the pernicious effects of a youthful and profoundly stupid media in Ireland, which is incapable of interrogating the bluster of the left .....

There are 90 rough sleepers in Dublin ..... 9,000 in London
There are less than 10,000 people in emergency accommodation in Ireland ...... over 320,000 in the UK

homelessness in Ireland is essentially fake news
not being able to afford to buy a home in booming cities is a worldwide phenomenon
rents can only be dealt with by supply
we have thousands of 3 and 4 bed council houses occupied by one or two people
we have a massive 'over the shop' capacity that is marooned by stupid planning regs, championed by the left


FF saw electoral gain in making a 'holier than thou' song and dance about the housing issue, and opened the door for the shinners to hoover up the exceedingly stupid millennial vote, with their 'hey presto' solutions to everything.

I'm not sure why i despise FF the most ..... for wrecking the country 10 years ago, or for opening the door for sinn fein in 2020

It's crazy, Furlong.

Actual homeless are 9,731 in a population of 4.9m, that is 0.2 %.

Unemployment rate is 4.8%.

GDP grew 5.6% in 2019.

More than 2.3 m people in employment - a record.

We have the EUs most progressive tax system - more progressive than the Nordics

And yet the shinners and lefties are never challenged on their premise that Ireland doesn't work.

Mullet, how do you see Fingal going? Any chance of two FF? DOB playing nice this time round?

Miguel Indurain wrote:

wreckthehouse wrote: Sinn Fein.

Remember the good old days when you lads felt like a credible modern nation compared to Brexit Britain ?

Maybe the country has to go through SF being in power, or close to power, in order to learn the lesson?

The prospect of Sinn Fein getting it's paws into the Department of Justice should concentrate minds.

No, I don't think we do, tbh.

Their policies are either dangerous or ridiculous. FG's stewardship of the economy over the last 9 years has been extraordinarily competent. We have gone from the depths of crisis to full employment, from mass emigration etc. SF could crash that just by threatening to raise corporate taxes, or by taking us out of the EU etc. They could undo 10 years of work in a few months.

Varadkar made his bed when he over-promoted Harris and Murphy, who are neither likeable or competent. FG might deserve a kicking, but the country as a whole doesn't deserve what SF are promising to do to it.

MunsterMan!!!!! wrote:It probably highlight FF poor front bench if not anything else.

https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/122 ... 41728?s=19

https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/122 ... 13728?s=19

Ivan Yates was talking up Chambers as the rising star of FF the other day but that was a complete car crash of a performance. He acted like an aggressive thug while the shinner was far more measured , ,coherent and informed. If FF were hoping to swing voters back from SF tonight they failed dramatically. Bruton was bloody abysmal too

JoeyFantastic wrote:

Miguel Indurain wrote:

wreckthehouse wrote: Sinn Fein.

Remember the good old days when you lads felt like a credible modern nation compared to Brexit Britain ?

Maybe the country has to go through SF being in power, or close to power, in order to learn the lesson?

The prospect of Sinn Fein getting it's paws into the Department of Justice should concentrate minds.

No, I don't think we do, tbh.

Their policies are either dangerous or ridiculous. FG's stewardship of the economy over the last 9 years has been extraordinarily competent. We have gone from the depths of crisis to full employment, from mass emigration etc. SF could crash that just by threatening to raise corporate taxes, or by taking us out of the EU etc. They could undo 10 years of work in a few months.

Varadkar made his bed when he over-promoted Harris and Murphy, who are neither likeable or competent. FG might deserve a kicking, but the country as a whole doesn't deserve what SF are promising to do to it.

Extraordinarily competent? Facts prove otherwise.

Cost of houses relative to wages has reached 2003-2007 levels, under this government.
Nominal government debt remains above €200 billion, the same level of debt it was when FG came into power 9 years ago.
Government current expenditure year on year has increased under this government, and is higher than any previous government.

Miguel Indurain wrote: Extraordinarily competent? Facts prove otherwise.

Cost of houses relative to wages has reached 2003-2007 levels, under this government.
Nominal government debt remains above €200 billion, the same level of debt it was when FG came into power 9 years ago.
Government current expenditure year on year has increased under this government, and is higher than any previous government.

We are a rock on the edge of Europe with no resources and full employment, 10 years on from a complete collapse. The success is entirely down to proper management of the economy, when populists like SF were extolling the virtues of movements that have been discredited throughout Europe.

Miguel Indurain wrote:

JoeyFantastic wrote:

Miguel Indurain wrote:

wreckthehouse wrote: Sinn Fein.

Remember the good old days when you lads felt like a credible modern nation compared to Brexit Britain ?

Maybe the country has to go through SF being in power, or close to power, in order to learn the lesson?

The prospect of Sinn Fein getting it's paws into the Department of Justice should concentrate minds.

No, I don't think we do, tbh.

Their policies are either dangerous or ridiculous. FG's stewardship of the economy over the last 9 years has been extraordinarily competent. We have gone from the depths of crisis to full employment, from mass emigration etc. SF could crash that just by threatening to raise corporate taxes, or by taking us out of the EU etc. They could undo 10 years of work in a few months.

Varadkar made his bed when he over-promoted Harris and Murphy, who are neither likeable or competent. FG might deserve a kicking, but the country as a whole doesn't deserve what SF are promising to do to it.

Extraordinarily competent? Facts prove otherwise.

Cost of houses relative to wages has reached 2003-2007 levels, under this government.
Nominal government debt remains above €200 billion, the same level of debt it was when FG came into power 9 years ago.
Government current expenditure year on year has increased under this government, and is higher than any previous government.

And whilst all those are somewhat valid, the left are only going to make matters worse on all three of those carefully chosen indices.

JoeyFantastic wrote:

Miguel Indurain wrote: Extraordinarily competent? Facts prove otherwise.

Cost of houses relative to wages has reached 2003-2007 levels, under this government.
Nominal government debt remains above €200 billion, the same level of debt it was when FG came into power 9 years ago.
Government current expenditure year on year has increased under this government, and is higher than any previous government.

We are a rock on the edge of Europe with no resources and full employment, 10 years on from a complete collapse. The success is entirely down to proper management of the economy, when populists like SF were extolling the virtues of movements that have been discredited throughout Europe.

I disagree that the economy has been properly managed. Historically low worldwide interest rates policy has forestalled the day of reckoning for our national debt.

I do take your point that relative to SF economic management, there is no comparison.

SF getting anywhere near power raises not just economic problems, the security issue is far more concerning.
SF having access to the Department of Justice, doesn't bear thinking about.

JoeyFantastic wrote:

Miguel Indurain wrote: Extraordinarily competent? Facts prove otherwise.

Cost of houses relative to wages has reached 2003-2007 levels, under this government.
Nominal government debt remains above €200 billion, the same level of debt it was when FG came into power 9 years ago.
Government current expenditure year on year has increased under this government, and is higher than any previous government.

We are a rock on the edge of Europe with no resources and full employment, 10 years on from a complete collapse. The success is entirely down to proper management of the economy, when populists like SF were extolling the virtues of movements that have been discredited throughout Europe.

I think that you are confusing FG with Ashok Mody (& the late Brian Lenihan tbf). It's noticeable how much worse the stewardship of the economy got when the IMF left town.

JoeyFantastic wrote:

Miguel Indurain wrote:

wreckthehouse wrote: Sinn Fein.

Remember the good old days when you lads felt like a credible modern nation compared to Brexit Britain ?

Maybe the country has to go through SF being in power, or close to power, in order to learn the lesson?

The prospect of Sinn Fein getting it's paws into the Department of Justice should concentrate minds.

No, I don't think we do, tbh.

Their policies are either dangerous or ridiculous. FG's stewardship of the economy over the last 9 years has been extraordinarily competent. We have gone from the depths of crisis to full employment, from mass emigration etc. SF could crash that just by threatening to raise corporate taxes, or by taking us out of the EU etc. They could undo 10 years of work in a few months.

Varadkar made his bed when he over-promoted Harris and Murphy, who are neither likeable or competent. FG might deserve a kicking, but the country as a whole doesn't deserve what SF are promising to do to it.

Do they really want that? Because up North they and the DUP have been angling to get corporation tax reduced to Southern levels.

lilyw wrote:

JoeyFantastic wrote:

Miguel Indurain wrote: Extraordinarily competent? Facts prove otherwise.

Cost of houses relative to wages has reached 2003-2007 levels, under this government.
Nominal government debt remains above €200 billion, the same level of debt it was when FG came into power 9 years ago.
Government current expenditure year on year has increased under this government, and is higher than any previous government.

We are a rock on the edge of Europe with no resources and full employment, 10 years on from a complete collapse. The success is entirely down to proper management of the economy, when populists like SF were extolling the virtues of movements that have been discredited throughout Europe.

I think that you are confusing FG with Ashok Mody (& the late Brian Lenihan tbf). It's noticeable how much worse the stewardship of the economy got when the IMF left town.

And you are hurling on the ditch if you refuse to accept that in difficult circumstances, FG have led governments that firstly pulled us from the abyss by not going down the Greek route, secondly kept our economic independence by telling the French Poison Dwarf to fúck off, thirdly have led the country to an economic nirvana, and fourthly have played the Brexit game to perfection. And this despite FF playing the populist card at every available opportunity.

rfurlong wrote:FF actively fomented the misery narrative for the last few years so as not to be outflanked by the left

Now its come back to bite everyone on the arse

Well done mullet & co

It's the oppositions fault my party is unpopular

Yourself and Cam are an insight into the unpopularity of FG.

There is only one choice now to stop the Shinners. It's time to cut out this Green and Labour bullshit and vote 1 FF. Its that simple.

I think you're right Mullet.

I'm terrified of Sinn Fein getting to form the next government. I'll give Catherine Ardagh my 1st preference and Catherine Byrne 2nd preference if it means helping to keep the IRA out of government.

iarmhiman wrote:I think you're right Mullet.

I'm terrified of Sinn Fein getting to form the next government. I'll give Catherine Ardagh my 1st preference and Catherine Byrne 2nd preference if it means helping to keep the IRA out of government.

Get the posts out on Social Media platforms today lads. We all clearly have friends keeping schtum but thinking Shinner. Middle Ireland needs to fight back.

My Dad was a member of FF.
His Uncle was shot in the leg in the battle of Ashbourne.
The tans burned down our family business but we rebuilt it.
I’m not letting that legacy down by handing over the reins to murdering criminals.
I swore I never would again after what they did but I’m voting 1 and 2 FF.

I'm voting in order of preference

Male candidates FF, male candidates FG, male candidates Greens. Then same again but women.

Good stuff lads but don’t stop there.

Get on to friends and family, this needs to be the low point. fudge the Party HQs we need to all battle to keep these animals out.

alliswell wrote:Mullet, how do you see Fingal going? Any chance of two FF? DOB playing nice this time round?

Bump

My prediction is the same

1 FF
1 FG
1 Green
1 Labour
1 Sinn Fein

We threw away the second.