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A5D5E5 wrote:
My Samsung is great. Easy to use apps covering the things I need - YouTube, Netflix, Spotify, iPlayer, integration with my NAS etc. I don't recognise any of the problems or issues in that article.

In any case, can you buy a decent screen of a TV size that isn't attached to a smart TV now?
As all decent sized TVs are smart now, the only bit of decent advice in that article is: "find the best TV for the money and don’t worry so much about the smart part"
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It's TOGA, people. Smart isn't a feature in that model of troll.
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Lobby wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
My Samsung is great. Easy to use apps covering the things I need - YouTube, Netflix, Spotify, iPlayer, integration with my NAS etc. I don't recognise any of the problems or issues in that article.

In any case, can you buy a decent screen of a TV size that isn't attached to a smart TV now?
As all decent sized TVs are smart now, the only bit of decent advice in that article is: "find the best TV for the money and don’t worry so much about the smart part"
Are they all smart now, I don't know. I'm not even sure if our one is (who reads manuals?) because the first thing I do when I turn it on is select the HDMI input that gives me the windows 10 desktop
from my tv box, with an OS that has vastly more functionality than any other and doesn't require me to learn anything to use it right away.
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RodneyRegis wrote:
colonel wrote:
kiwidutchie wrote:Having sold TV sets for about 20 years, let me give you the benefit of my experience.

Panasonic is the most reliable brand with the best pic quality, especially when you get to the higher end models. LG is not to far behind, but they do have more quality issues and tend to not last as long.

Samsung look great out of the box, but if you are a critical watcher you will notice that the picture quality is not as good. Also as far as reliability goes, they have, in my experience, more issues than other brands.

Sony is over-rated, and have a terrible habit of not supporting their online apps as long.

OLED TVs have great contrast levels, and give you a fantastic picture, but can be prone to Screen Burn like the old Plasma.

Ok, so if you were in the market for a 49" telly and price were no object what would you go for?



The more I read up though is that you have to get a 55" for the highest quality tech. And given I dont live in an aircraft hanger im not going that big
I can't think of a room in the world not big enough to accommodate a 55.

I just bought one to replace my Samsung 39 beast which had finally kicked the bucket after a solid 14 years. Its really not that much bigger without the bevel.

Stick it on the wall with a cheap vonhaus mount (15 quid off amazon) and you'll be fine.

You mistake my reticence to have the telly dominate the room for a literal inability to fit a 55" telly in it

As for putting it on the wall, no thanks. Just wouldn't be right in the room

Also, if you're spending a lot of money on a piece of tech then you shouldn't be looking for the primary quality of the thing standing between it and a 6 foot drop onto a wooden floor to be cheapness
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kiwidutchie wrote:
colonel wrote:
kiwidutchie wrote:Having sold TV sets for about 20 years, let me give you the benefit of my experience.

Panasonic is the most reliable brand with the best pic quality, especially when you get to the higher end models. LG is not to far behind, but they do have more quality issues and tend to not last as long.

Samsung look great out of the box, but if you are a critical watcher you will notice that the picture quality is not as good. Also as far as reliability goes, they have, in my experience, more issues than other brands.

Sony is over-rated, and have a terrible habit of not supporting their online apps as long.

OLED TVs have great contrast levels, and give you a fantastic picture, but can be prone to Screen Burn like the old Plasma.

Ok, so if you were in the market for a 49" telly and price were no object what would you go for?

The more I read up though is that you have to get a 55" for the highest quality tech. And given I dont live in an aircraft hanger im not going that big
I got a 49" UHD Panasonic just before the RWC. Great deal. If I was getting one today here in NZ, I'd probably go for this one.

https://www.panasonic.com/nz/consumer/t ... x880z.html

(and, no. Not because it has Beauden Barrett on it.....)
Thanks

I admire anyone with Barrett's rustic visage being bold enough to stick it on a 4k screen
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November2019 wrote:
Lobby wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
My Samsung is great. Easy to use apps covering the things I need - YouTube, Netflix, Spotify, iPlayer, integration with my NAS etc. I don't recognise any of the problems or issues in that article.

In any case, can you buy a decent screen of a TV size that isn't attached to a smart TV now?
As all decent sized TVs are smart now, the only bit of decent advice in that article is: "find the best TV for the money and don’t worry so much about the smart part"
Are they all smart now, I don't know. I'm not even sure if our one is (who reads manuals?) because the first thing I do when I turn it on is select the HDMI input that gives me the windows 10 desktop
from my tv box, with an OS that has vastly more functionality than any other and doesn't require me to learn anything to use it right away.
So you have no idea about the functionality or ease of use of your TV. Which is fine, but it clearly undermines your point as you have no idea about one side of the comparison you are making.
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A5D5E5 wrote:
November2019 wrote:
Lobby wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
My Samsung is great. Easy to use apps covering the things I need - YouTube, Netflix, Spotify, iPlayer, integration with my NAS etc. I don't recognise any of the problems or issues in that article.

In any case, can you buy a decent screen of a TV size that isn't attached to a smart TV now?
As all decent sized TVs are smart now, the only bit of decent advice in that article is: "find the best TV for the money and don’t worry so much about the smart part"
Are they all smart now, I don't know. I'm not even sure if our one is (who reads manuals?) because the first thing I do when I turn it on is select the HDMI input that gives me the windows 10 desktop
from my tv box, with an OS that has vastly more functionality than any other and doesn't require me to learn anything to use it right away.
So you have no idea about the functionality or ease of use of your TV. Which is fine, but it clearly undermines your point as you have no idea about one side of the comparison you are making.
If I were a BMW, Audi or Mercedes driver would you believe I could not justifiably rate them higher than a Trabant until I'd driven one?
Windows the flagship product of one of the most successful software companies in the world as opposed to the afterthought that software is for device makers.
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November2019 wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
November2019 wrote:
Lobby wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
My Samsung is great. Easy to use apps covering the things I need - YouTube, Netflix, Spotify, iPlayer, integration with my NAS etc. I don't recognise any of the problems or issues in that article.

In any case, can you buy a decent screen of a TV size that isn't attached to a smart TV now?
As all decent sized TVs are smart now, the only bit of decent advice in that article is: "find the best TV for the money and don’t worry so much about the smart part"
Are they all smart now, I don't know. I'm not even sure if our one is (who reads manuals?) because the first thing I do when I turn it on is select the HDMI input that gives me the windows 10 desktop
from my tv box, with an OS that has vastly more functionality than any other and doesn't require me to learn anything to use it right away.
So you have no idea about the functionality or ease of use of your TV. Which is fine, but it clearly undermines your point as you have no idea about one side of the comparison you are making.
If I were a BMW, Audi or Mercedes driver would you believe I could not justifiably rate them higher than a Trabant until I'd driven one?
Windows the flagship product of one of the most successful software companies in the world as opposed to the afterthought that software is for device makers.
That is a shit analogy and you know it. However, this is a pointless conversation, doomed to end in frustration if I were to carry it on.

Instead, I'm going to go and repeatedly bang my head against a wall which I'm sure will be more satisfying than having any further exchange with you.
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A5D5E5 wrote:
TOGA wrote:
Lobby wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
My Samsung is great. Easy to use apps covering the things I need - YouTube, Netflix, Spotify, iPlayer, integration with my NAS etc. I don't recognise any of the problems or issues in that article.

In any case, can you buy a decent screen of a TV size that isn't attached to a smart TV now?
As all decent sized TVs are smart now, the only bit of decent advice in that article is: "find the best TV for the money and don’t worry so much about the smart part"
Are they all smart now, I don't know. I'm not even sure if our one is (who reads manuals?) because the first thing I do when I turn it on is select the HDMI input that gives me the windows 10 desktop
from my tv box, with an OS that has vastly more functionality than any other and doesn't require me to learn anything to use it right away.
So you have no idea about the functionality or ease of use of your TV. Which is fine, but it clearly undermines your point as you have no idea about one side of the comparison you are making.
To be fair to Toga I don't bother using the smart features of my TV. It's connected to a windows PC and that is nowhere near as clunky. The last firmware update for the TV installed about 4 months ago and it's still shit.
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colonel wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:
colonel wrote:
kiwidutchie wrote:Having sold TV sets for about 20 years, let me give you the benefit of my experience.

Panasonic is the most reliable brand with the best pic quality, especially when you get to the higher end models. LG is not to far behind, but they do have more quality issues and tend to not last as long.

Samsung look great out of the box, but if you are a critical watcher you will notice that the picture quality is not as good. Also as far as reliability goes, they have, in my experience, more issues than other brands.

Sony is over-rated, and have a terrible habit of not supporting their online apps as long.

OLED TVs have great contrast levels, and give you a fantastic picture, but can be prone to Screen Burn like the old Plasma.

Ok, so if you were in the market for a 49" telly and price were no object what would you go for?



The more I read up though is that you have to get a 55" for the highest quality tech. And given I dont live in an aircraft hanger im not going that big
I can't think of a room in the world not big enough to accommodate a 55.

I just bought one to replace my Samsung 39 beast which had finally kicked the bucket after a solid 14 years. Its really not that much bigger without the bevel.

Stick it on the wall with a cheap vonhaus mount (15 quid off amazon) and you'll be fine.

You mistake my reticence to have the telly dominate the room for a literal inability to fit a 55" telly in it

As for putting it on the wall, no thanks. Just wouldn't be right in the room

Also, if you're spending a lot of money on a piece of tech then you shouldn't be looking for the primary quality of the thing standing between it and a 6 foot drop onto a wooden floor to be cheapness
Most people seem to put TVs way too high up on the wall (creating an unfortunate angle to have to look up whilst watching). I prefer mine on a little table.

That being said, it seems surprising that a 49" TV could be considered ok for a room, whilst the only very slightly larger (4.5" wider, in fact) TV would apparently dominate it, Hask-stylie. Either it is a very small room or its probably psychological.

I'd add that I went from a 42" to a 55" and after the initial surprise at the increased size am now regretting I couldn't afford the 65". You adjust to the size change in the room very quickly. Especially given that the panel is about 5mm thick and is actually 55" diagonally across (the 42" must have been closer to 46" with the bezel round its old-fashioned panel).
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dinsdale wrote:
Geek wrote:
colonel wrote:Cant go OLED unfortunately, dont think they start until the 55" and Im not going that big in a medium sized living room


Is QLED definitely better than LED backlit?
QLED is just old-fashioned backlit LED tech. It's not even full array. The name is just Samsung's attempt to muddy the waters with OLED (which is, in fact, a new tech). Samsung's QLED range is LED done very well, however.
The higher end models are full array. The others aren't.
Ah, thanks for the info :thumbup:
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RodneyRegis wrote:
Geek wrote:
colonel wrote:oi oi

Im finally in the market for a new telly, and would like some advice

Im not a gamer, just film, sport and telly. Smart tv important but number of inputs arent

Ill use a sound bar so integrated sound quality is neither here nor there

I lean toward the future proofing side of technology purchasing

I cant really go above 49" for the space, although am willing to go as low as 43"

Thoughts please hive mind?
I've done a lot of reading on this and ended up getting an LG OLED 55". It doesn't have a bevel around the outside so when it's off it seems similar in size to an old 50".

If you want to see some reviews I'd recommend AV Forums. They are unbiased and have an (unhealthy) forum community to match this one.

BTW, not that it's a key metric, but Which had the LG OLEDS as their top picks the last time I looked.
AV forums is superb, but they are massively geeky and it just got too much for me. Some great advice on individual TVs once you find one though. I think a lot depends on the type of panel - IPS (?) better for wide viewing angles but not as good contrast as the other one.

Apparently if you get a realy high end job you should pay a technician to set up the picture...
I did think of having mine calibrated, but I'm just not that bothered about accurate picture fidelity. Certainly not to shell out the cash it would take to get someone in to calibrate it. It's also hard to justify the expense when your roof is leaking and there's water in the cellar..
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Geek wrote:
colonel wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:
colonel wrote:
kiwidutchie wrote:Having sold TV sets for about 20 years, let me give you the benefit of my experience.

Panasonic is the most reliable brand with the best pic quality, especially when you get to the higher end models. LG is not to far behind, but they do have more quality issues and tend to not last as long.

Samsung look great out of the box, but if you are a critical watcher you will notice that the picture quality is not as good. Also as far as reliability goes, they have, in my experience, more issues than other brands.

Sony is over-rated, and have a terrible habit of not supporting their online apps as long.

OLED TVs have great contrast levels, and give you a fantastic picture, but can be prone to Screen Burn like the old Plasma.
Ok, so if you were in the market for a 49" telly and price were no object what would you go for?



The more I read up though is that you have to get a 55" for the highest quality tech. And given I dont live in an aircraft hanger im not going that big
I can't think of a room in the world not big enough to accommodate a 55.

I just bought one to replace my Samsung 39 beast which had finally kicked the bucket after a solid 14 years. Its really not that much bigger without the bevel.

Stick it on the wall with a cheap vonhaus mount (15 quid off amazon) and you'll be fine.

You mistake my reticence to have the telly dominate the room for a literal inability to fit a 55" telly in it

As for putting it on the wall, no thanks. Just wouldn't be right in the room

Also, if you're spending a lot of money on a piece of tech then you shouldn't be looking for the primary quality of the thing standing between it and a 6 foot drop onto a wooden floor to be cheapness
Most people seem to put TVs way too high up on the wall (creating an unfortunate angle to have to look up whilst watching). I prefer mine on a little table.

That being said, it seems surprising that a 49" TV could be considered ok for a room, whilst the only very slightly larger (4.5" wider, in fact) TV would apparently dominate it, Hask-stylie. Either it is a very small room or its probably psychological.

I'd add that I went from a 42" to a 55" and after the initial surprise at the increased size am now regretting I couldn't afford the 65". You adjust to the size change in the room very quickly. Especially given that the panel is about 5mm thick and is actually 55" diagonally across (the 42" must have been closer to 46" with the bezel round its old-fashioned panel).
Ours both sit 600-700mm off the floor. Tvs higher up on walls are shite, but incredibly seem to be the norm.

We went for a 49” from a 42” (not far off the new sleek 49 size due to the old school bezel) as the tv sits between the architraves of a set of French doors and a large picture window. I’m still regretting not going for the 55”. As you say, you get used to the size very quickly and always think you could have gone bigger.
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sorCrer wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:Oh and go as big as you can ;)
Very much this. 4k OLED if possible. LG OLEDB9P
Why not just go for the 65 OLED C9PVA?

I can do R49 999 for you if you are so inclined, or R39 999 on the B9P
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kiwidutchie wrote:Having sold TV sets for about 20 years, let me give you the benefit of my experience.

Panasonic is the most reliable brand with the best pic quality, especially when you get to the higher end models. LG is not to far behind, but they do have more quality issues and tend to not last as long.

Samsung look great out of the box, but if you are a critical watcher you will notice that the picture quality is not as good. Also as far as reliability goes, they have, in my experience, more issues than other brands.

Sony is over-rated, and have a terrible habit of not supporting their online apps as long.

OLED TVs have great contrast levels, and give you a fantastic picture, but can be prone to Screen Burn like the old Plasma.
Agree with most of the above but what I will say from having owned pioneer Kuru plasmas, Panasonic VT plasmas and currently and LG oled I think burn in for your average user is a myth. I've never had burn in on any plasma or my current oled, I have had image retention on my plasmas but that goes after a while.

You will burn in an oled if you leave sky news on for months or play a game constantly - with average TV viewing I have never seen burn in.

The best TV currently available is an LG oled and I wouldn't put anyone off it because of burn in, it's not gona happen
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Have to agree RE: LG OLED. I've had ours for 8 months now and not a single issue. They are fine so long as you don't turn them off by the plug straight away as they run a screen clean straight after turning it off by the remote.
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Did anyone get suckered into buying a curved tv a few years ago ? Shops seemed to have stopped doing them, I thought they were utter shite and steered clear.

There’s only ever been 3 steps to TV evolution worth having tbf for actual viewing improvement:
1: black and white >>> colour
2: 4:3 ratio to widescreen 16:9
3: normal PAL >>>> HD
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goose81 wrote:
kiwidutchie wrote:Having sold TV sets for about 20 years, let me give you the benefit of my experience.

Panasonic is the most reliable brand with the best pic quality, especially when you get to the higher end models. LG is not to far behind, but they do have more quality issues and tend to not last as long.

Samsung look great out of the box, but if you are a critical watcher you will notice that the picture quality is not as good. Also as far as reliability goes, they have, in my experience, more issues than other brands.

Sony is over-rated, and have a terrible habit of not supporting their online apps as long.

OLED TVs have great contrast levels, and give you a fantastic picture, but can be prone to Screen Burn like the old Plasma.
Agree with most of the above but what I will say from having owned pioneer Kuru plasmas, Panasonic VT plasmas and currently and LG oled I think burn in for your average user is a myth. I've never had burn in on any plasma or my current oled, I have had image retention on my plasmas but that goes after a while.

You will burn in an oled if you leave sky news on for months or play a game constantly - with average TV viewing I have never seen burn in.

The best TV currently available is an LG oled and I wouldn't put anyone off it because of burn in, it's not gona happen
If you watch a channel with a permanent logo regularly, it's going to happen, particularly if you are expecting 10 years use from it. I've seen plenty of plasmas with burn in from this.

I mostly use my TV screen as a computer monitor - I avoided OLED for this reason.
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I have always had a Toshiba and have always been happy with them.
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Sony & Samsung both require account creation for smart app store, and neither guarantee their apps will stay.

LG on the other hand dont require an account and state the apps wont be going anywhere...
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Just bought a Panasonic 55 inch oled. It's the ducks nuts.

I'd recommend going for the previous model just before the new models are due out you get very food deals then.

Re burn in: Had my old plasma for about a decade and no problems. Oled phone got it in less than a year though due to constantly running my podcast app.
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Crikey! We just upgraded from a 28” (I think?) which we’d had for over ten years and was starting to play up to a 32” because neither of us is deaf or blind and our lounge is quite small. Got a Toshiba for £180 in Costco. Funnily enough, because the old telly had a good couple of inches of frame around the screen, it’s no bigger physically. And we’ve joined the 21st century and got Netflix. Marvellous!
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One of the advantages of LG when I was last buying a telly was that they had Netflix, nowtv and amazon prime all built in. Good deal on this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-49UM7100PLB ... OLE&sr=1-1
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backrow wrote:Did anyone get suckered into buying a curved tv a few years ago ? Shops seemed to have stopped doing them, I thought they were utter shite and steered clear.

There’s only ever been 3 steps to TV evolution worth having tbf for actual viewing improvement:
1: black and white >>> colour
2: 4:3 ratio to widescreen 16:9
3: normal PAL >>>> HD
Yeah, the daft thing about them was that there was a perfect viewing position. Which means it’s great for a 45 year old on his own in his mums basement, but not for anything else.
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Varsity Way wrote:I have always had a Toshiba and have always been happy with them.
I don't think they have made their own tvs for a while now, but sell rebranded Chinese rubbish instead. Their core business is nuclear energy these days, bizarrely (AFAIK).
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Upgrading 1 if the living room TV's with about a 750 budget and 49 inch screen. Looking forward to scrolling through the thread to get a recommendation
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message #2527204 wrote:LG 8200 49" for medium price point.
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Could never justify the massive increase in price that come with oled and qled especially considering how good a decent 4K LCD screen looks anyway.
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