


It buys 'em a day.RodneyRegis wrote:So they've addressed the economy today, but nothing for further preventative measures
Whoopee skip.JM2K6 wrote:You did not. On rent, they're presumably hoping for the Landlords to pass up on collecting rent...happyhooker wrote:Did I miss the bit addressing renters and self employed?
Watch yourself, I suddenly have plenty of free time to have this argument all over again.sewa wrote:Did that plane on the treadmill take off, I have convinced myself it did6.Jones wrote:Whether it makes a difference to the spread of the virus. It's an interesting question. It's like baffles in cylinders. It stops large scale movements but the amount of energy in the system is the same. Not a question to be easily answered on a forum where treadmills cause chaos.RodneyRegis wrote:"Works"?Lemoentjie wrote:Is there any proof that shutting the borders works, unless you have zero local transmission?
It certainly stops cross-border transmission. Obviously it won't stop local transmission. Not sure what you are asking.
sorCrer wrote:I know it's been mentioned but 'Operation Last Gasp'![]()
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Or they are yet to come up with anything.happyhooker wrote:Whoopee skip.JM2K6 wrote:You did not. On rent, they're presumably hoping for the Landlords to pass up on collecting rent...happyhooker wrote:Did I miss the bit addressing renters and self employed?
That'll be fine then.
There's a good case to be made addressing each separately. Let the news cycle run with the economic stuff for a day or two. It's good news and it's neededRodneyRegis wrote:So they've addressed the economy today, but nothing for further preventative measures
message #2527204 wrote:With no businesses left afterwards, wouldn't there be a collapse of sterling anyway?Frodder wrote:Did I say it was wrong?bimboman wrote:Frodder wrote:The magic money tree has been well and truly found
What would you rather?
At least this spending isn’t in top of a trillion for public sector pay.
Personally I don’t agree with it. This is scary debt and collapse of sterling.
The news cycle should come secondary to preventative measures where for each 24 hours that pass, the numbers look more and more bleak.paddyor wrote:There's a good case to be made addressing each separately. Let the news cycle run with the economic stuff for a day or two. It's good news and it's neededRodneyRegis wrote:So they've addressed the economy today, but nothing for further preventative measures
Yeah, some very good stuff there. Looks like they are going to help businesses. Hope they will help individuals next.paddyor wrote:There's a good case to be made addressing each separately. Let the news cycle run with the economic stuff for a day or two. It's good news and it's neededRodneyRegis wrote:So they've addressed the economy today, but nothing for further preventative measures
They are getting back on track at the moment ... but if they go wrong, we are seriously impacted.Uncle Fester wrote:We've a land border with them. It directly impacts us and compromises our own efforts.Man In Black wrote:As someone who has no dog in this fight there has been a noticeable flurry of Irish posters saying over and over how stupid and terrible the UK strategy has been so as to have some sort of gotcha moment when/ if a ton of people die.JM2K6 wrote:Totally agree. The reason why we're arguing is because of a small number of people refusing to coutenance the Govt making any mistakes or being forced to abandon previous plans. I'm not trying to slaughter the govt here but we've had people be pretty snide about everyone else "knowing better than the UK's experts" and, well...BlackMac wrote:Do you not think that a lot of people are just able to accept that it is a unique, evolving situation and there will be mistakes and changes in policy. We can't all have a 10/10 response like the septics.
zzzz - in addition to Raggs' post, they're never going to say they should have done more earlier. It's not that kind of analysis. The WHO and all those pesky foreign scientists said it though. Thing is, we had loads of data on the virus - from the Asian countries, particularly from China who opened up all their data for other countries. We didn't really need to try and go it alone.
I just tweeted the italian who posted the graph of italian cases. He retweeted my reply, so lets hope someone can get an answer.CM11 wrote:Think at this stage it's the death rate that needs to be looked at rather than cases as Raggs could be right that it's not like for like. Just using new cases, that's still a positive trend in the right direction.ManInTheBar wrote:and 345 more deadRaggs wrote:Another 3.5k increase for Italy.
Well I mainly disagree with most of what you post for the exactly the same reasons. Namely misunderstanding and consequent misinformation.JM2K6 wrote:Incredible that you still have this much chutzpah despite everything that's happened and how much you've misunderstood and how much misinformation you've posted. Give it a rest.message #2527204 wrote:Hooray for twatter hysterics. Changes government policy if you twat enough. (Pretty sure they took their advice from mumsnet, if truth be told)JM2K6 wrote:But Monty!6.Jones wrote:It wasn't only Twitter. The real world was in uproar. Twitter is just where a lot of them meet.Uncle Fester wrote: If it wasn't for Twatter and the incredulous uproar there, the government would probably have pressed ahead with operation herd immunity.
Of course, we've never thrown lives away in war before with pigheaded thinking that deserved to have a light shone on it...
Death rate increase in Italy slowing as well it appears. Some good news.CM11 wrote:Think at this stage it's the death rate that needs to be looked at rather than cases as Raggs could be right that it's not like for like. Just using new cases, that's still a positive trend in the right direction.ManInTheBar wrote:and 345 more deadRaggs wrote:Another 3.5k increase for Italy.
No mate, you've been dominating this thread yelling at everyone that the UK's approach was exactly the same as everyone else's, yelling at anyone who disagreed, and repeatedly got involved whenever any criticism was aimed at the govt for their approach and their messaging. Even today, long after everyone else understood what had happened and that the UK was having to dramatically alter course, you kept banging on the same old tired and debunked lines.message #2527204 wrote:Well I totally disagree with most of what you pray for the exactly the same reasons. Namely misunderstanding and consequent misinformation.
You give it a rest.
RodneyRegis wrote:Yes Patrick, what changed?
Edit: Oh, he's going to dodge the question completely again.
Frodder wrote:Did I say it was wrong?bimboman wrote:Frodder wrote:The magic money tree has been well and truly found
What would you rather?
At least this spending isn’t in top of a trillion for public sector pay.
Personally I don’t agree with it. This is scary debt and collapse of sterling.
Ha.bimboman wrote:RodneyRegis wrote:Yes Patrick, what changed?
Edit: Oh, he's going to dodge the question completely again.
This is something that exists in your mind. He answered the question perfectly.
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his face when he was asked about itBotha Boy wrote:He’s a Pro ...Derwyn wrote:sorCrer wrote:I know it's been mentioned but 'Operation Last Gasp'![]()
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Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.JM2K6 wrote:No mate, you've been dominating this thread yelling at everyone that the UK's approach was exactly the same as everyone else's, yelling at anyone who disagreed, and repeatedly got involved whenever any criticism was aimed at the govt for their approach and their messaging. Even today, long after everyone else understood what had happened and that the UK was having to dramatically alter course, you kept banging on the same old tired and debunked lines.message #2527204 wrote:Well I totally disagree with most of what you pray for the exactly the same reasons. Namely misunderstanding and consequent misinformation.
You give it a rest.
You have more posts than anyone else in this thread and you need to think more before posting. You post so much stuff that is just nowhere near true.
Incredible that you still have this much chutzpah despite everything that's happened and how much you've misunderstood and how much misinformation you've posted. Give it a rest.
Some might suggest that lock-down is having an effect.DeDoc wrote:Death rate increase in Italy slowing as well it appears. Some good news.CM11 wrote:Think at this stage it's the death rate that needs to be looked at rather than cases as Raggs could be right that it's not like for like. Just using new cases, that's still a positive trend in the right direction.ManInTheBar wrote:and 345 more deadRaggs wrote:Another 3.5k increase for Italy.
What's next, "I'm rubber, you're glue"? Christ, manmessage #2527204 wrote:Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.JM2K6 wrote:No mate, you've been dominating this thread yelling at everyone that the UK's approach was exactly the same as everyone else's, yelling at anyone who disagreed, and repeatedly got involved whenever any criticism was aimed at the govt for their approach and their messaging. Even today, long after everyone else understood what had happened and that the UK was having to dramatically alter course, you kept banging on the same old tired and debunked lines.message #2527204 wrote:Well I totally disagree with most of what you pray for the exactly the same reasons. Namely misunderstanding and consequent misinformation.
You give it a rest.
You have more posts than anyone else in this thread and you need to think more before posting. You post so much stuff that is just nowhere near true.
Your default stance is to take anything that is clearly stated by the government and its advisors, and say it isn't true. The Piers Morgan of the thread.
JM2K6 wrote:You did not. On rent, they're presumably hoping for the Landlords to pass up on collecting rent...happyhooker wrote:Did I miss the bit addressing renters and self employed?
Another Piers Morgan.RodneyRegis wrote:Ha.bimboman wrote:RodneyRegis wrote:Yes Patrick, what changed?
Edit: Oh, he's going to dodge the question completely again.
This is something that exists in your mind. He answered the question perfectly.
He was asked what changed in the modelling with specific regard to the ICL document. He said it wasn't so much that the modelling changed, but that we were further up the curve now.
It was a barefaced lie.
ManInTheBar wrote:and 345 more deadRaggs wrote:Another 3.5k increase for Italy.
This has to be due to the fact that Germany, a little like SK, is testing massively more people than Italy or France or Spain. In fact the virus is probably much less widespread in Germany than South-Western Europe. We're looking at set of stats that are potentially very different.Botha Boy wrote: There must be more lessons to learn from the catastrophy in Italy. If you look at the number of cases in Germany and how few fatalities there have been, then comparing the two case-studies of Italy and Germany should be informative.
ShearNolanator wrote:My cunning plan to make my own hand sanitiser has failed.
Turns out immiscible liquids are still immiscible, even under ultrasonic agitation. I need a sheer mixer next.
JM2K6 wrote:No mate, you've been dominating this thread yelling at everyone that the UK's approach was exactly the same as everyone else's, yelling at anyone who disagreed, and repeatedly got involved whenever any criticism was aimed at the govt for their approach and their messaging. Even today, long after everyone else understood what had happened and that the UK was having to dramatically alter course, you kept banging on the same old tired and debunked lines.message #2527204 wrote:Well I totally disagree with most of what you pray for the exactly the same reasons. Namely misunderstanding and consequent misinformation.
You give it a rest.
You have more posts than anyone else in this thread and you need to think more before posting. You post so much stuff that is just nowhere near true.
NERDSUncle Fester wrote:ShearNolanator wrote:My cunning plan to make my own hand sanitiser has failed.
Turns out immiscible liquids are still immiscible, even under ultrasonic agitation. I need a sheer mixer next.
Not at all. I've commended Rishi on his stuff today. I even quite like the "Operation Last Gasp" thing. I'm not a Boris basher, I just know a squirmer when I see one.message #2527204 wrote:Another Piers Morgan.RodneyRegis wrote:Ha.bimboman wrote:RodneyRegis wrote:Yes Patrick, what changed?
Edit: Oh, he's going to dodge the question completely again.
This is something that exists in your mind. He answered the question perfectly.
He was asked what changed in the modelling with specific regard to the ICL document. He said it wasn't so much that the modelling changed, but that we were further up the curve now.
It was a barefaced lie.
bimboman wrote:JM2K6 wrote:No mate, you've been dominating this thread yelling at everyone that the UK's approach was exactly the same as everyone else's, yelling at anyone who disagreed, and repeatedly got involved whenever any criticism was aimed at the govt for their approach and their messaging. Even today, long after everyone else understood what had happened and that the UK was having to dramatically alter course, you kept banging on the same old tired and debunked lines.message #2527204 wrote:Well I totally disagree with most of what you pray for the exactly the same reasons. Namely misunderstanding and consequent misinformation.
You give it a rest.
You have more posts than anyone else in this thread and you need to think more before posting. You post so much stuff that is just nowhere near true.
You do realise “dramatically alter course “ is just a lie of your own making. Not “everyone else” , you Rodney and the Irish trolls , that’s not everyone.
Just me, Rodney, the Irish, the study, and the guy announcing the study, and everyone who read the study, and the Government who changed course based on the study, and the scientists and related people discussing the change in courseThe mitigation strategy "focuses on slowing but not necessarily stopping epidemic spread — reducing peak healthcare demand while protecting those most at risk of severe disease from infection", the report said, reflecting the UK strategy that was outlined last week by Boris Johnson and the chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance.
But the approach was found to be unworkable. "Our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over," perhaps by as much as eight times, the report said.
In this scenario, the Imperial College team predicted as many as 250,000 deaths in Britain.
"In the UK, this conclusion has only been reached in the last few days," the report explained, due to new data on likely intensive care unit demand based on the experience of Italy and Britain so far.
"We were expecting herd immunity to build. We now realise it’s not possible to cope with that," professor Azra Ghani, chair of infectious diseases epidemiology at Imperial, told journalists at a briefing on Monday night.
Have you been tested yet? For coronavirus, like?bimboman wrote:JM2K6 wrote:No mate, you've been dominating this thread yelling at everyone that the UK's approach was exactly the same as everyone else's, yelling at anyone who disagreed, and repeatedly got involved whenever any criticism was aimed at the govt for their approach and their messaging. Even today, long after everyone else understood what had happened and that the UK was having to dramatically alter course, you kept banging on the same old tired and debunked lines.message #2527204 wrote:Well I totally disagree with most of what you pray for the exactly the same reasons. Namely misunderstanding and consequent misinformation.
You give it a rest.
You have more posts than anyone else in this thread and you need to think more before posting. You post so much stuff that is just nowhere near true.
You do realise “dramatically alter course “ is just a lie of your own making. Not “everyone else” , you Rodney and the Irish trolls , that’s not everyone.
bimboman wrote:JM2K6 wrote:No mate, you've been dominating this thread yelling at everyone that the UK's approach was exactly the same as everyone else's, yelling at anyone who disagreed, and repeatedly got involved whenever any criticism was aimed at the govt for their approach and their messaging. Even today, long after everyone else understood what had happened and that the UK was having to dramatically alter course, you kept banging on the same old tired and debunked lines.message #2527204 wrote:Well I totally disagree with most of what you pray for the exactly the same reasons. Namely misunderstanding and consequent misinformation.
You give it a rest.
You have more posts than anyone else in this thread and you need to think more before posting. You post so much stuff that is just nowhere near true.
You do realise “dramatically alter course “ is just a lie of your own making. Not “everyone else” , you Rodney and the Irish trolls , that’s not everyone.
Agreed. A megaphone so.6.Jones wrote:It wasn't only Twitter. The real world was in uproar. Twitter is just where a lot of them meet.Uncle Fester wrote:If it wasn't for Twatter and the incredulous uproar there, the government would probably have pressed ahead with operation herd immunity.croyals wrote:Honestly as this gets worse I wouldn’t oppose shutting down access to twitter, it really isn’t helping. Certainly wpuld have to be step one of any major war. Just imagine it back in WW2, ‘why Monty’s plan is flawed and German expert Rommel has this right, 1/543...’danny_fitz wrote:
Below the line it is pretty toxic, on the one hand you have commentators outright accusing the government of deliberately killing the old, weak and vulnerable while simultaneously they are making snide gleeful remarks about how elderly Brexiteers are going to get their comeuppance. Pretty nasty stuff.
Just me, Rodney, the Irish, the study, and the guy announcing the study, and everyone who read the study, and the Government who changed course, and the scientists and related people discussing the change in course