Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

[JM2K6]

Breaking news on Sky UK

UK Business Secretary says younger people are less likely to contract coronavirus, and show less severe symptoms.

Errr...

Some of that will be related to the demos of the cult, no?

Likely, but also a reflection of South Korea's testing strategy.

[eldanielfire]

Been hearing about some really shitty sackings as companies look to offload staff. Looks like we are not all in it together.

Yeah, a women in a Whatssapp group I'm in reported she had just been given a weeks notice. Reminds me for all it's issues I'm blessed to be in a secure job.

[eldanielfire]

Over 200,000 cases now, and only starting to take hold in a lot of countries. But good news, Domino's are doing contact free delivery.

Amazon have been doing that for ages.

[JM2K6]

My Dysfunctional Company update:

This morning, the HR guy announced on our chat that he and a few others had developed mild symptoms. So of course we're doing the sensible thing as a London tech company working in a single open plan office and fully able to work from home, and we're not sending everyone home but repeating the line that we're staying open until the government orders us to shut.

[Torquemada 1420]

Been hearing about some really shitty sackings as companies look to offload staff. Looks like we are not all in it together.

You are surprised?

[JM2K6]

Over 200,000 cases now, and only starting to take hold in a lot of countries. But good news, Domino's are doing contact free delivery.

Amazon have been doing that for ages.

Hopefully Dominos wont just be lobbing their pizzas in a bush though

[Torquemada 1420]

My Dysfunctional Company update:

This morning, the HR guy announced on our chat that he and a few others had developed mild symptoms. So of course we're doing the sensible thing as a London tech company working in a single open plan office and fully able to work from home, and we're not sending everyone home but repeating the line that we're staying open until the government orders us to shut.

We should quarantine all HR people in one conurbation somewhere, maybe oop North, rename it Raccoon City and then take appropriate action.

[Torquemada 1420]

No one kicked up a racist stink with the name Australian Flu.

It's a weakness in the western system - actually buried right deep in the minds of many of our people - far more toxic than any virus or military deficiency: the fear of being called racist.

China knows this. And they will exploit it. They already are. It's hard to think of anything more decadent and stupid than getting worked up over the name of the flu. But there you go.

Israel anyone?

[shaggy]

Expect to see all the freelancers offloaded pretty sharply in many industries, especially O&G.

This will fundamentally change employment methods in the UK when combined with IR35.

[AND-y]

Over 200,000 cases now, and only starting to take hold in a lot of countries. But good news, Domino's are doing contact free delivery.

Domino's arse squirts could cause a pandemic all by themselves.

[Torquemada 1420]

Over 200,000 cases now, and only starting to take hold in a lot of countries. But good news, Domino's are doing contact free delivery.

Amazon have been doing that for ages.

Hopefully Dominos wont just be lobbing their pizzas in a bush though

Surely the best option for a Dominos

[Torquemada 1420]

Expect to see all the freelancers offloaded pretty sharply in many industries, especially O&G.

This will fundamentally change employment methods in the UK when combined with IR35.

Training. Dead. Even when this is over, the last thing cos will spend money on is training.

[Calculus]

I don't think it's ridiculous to be pissed off with China about this. It's their medieval food hygiene practices that got us to this place in the first place.

That's possibly a bit unfair. There is a tiny minority of mainly rich and old Chinese people that consume "exotic" meats such as bat and pangolin, but the vast majority find it abhorrent. Hopefully the consumption of these meats will die out with the younger generation. However, your typical Chinese person has a much closer relationship with the food he eats than a Westerner. Instead of buying turkey twizlers or bits of chicken wrapped in plastic and foam from the supermarket, they will go to the wet market and select a handsome healthy looking chicken, get it slaughtered in front of them and take it home. Many, even ones living in an urban environment, will raise their own fowl in their gardens. Coupled with high density living conditions, zoonotic infections do therefore have a good chance of emerging. Also, there is over 1. 4 billion of them. As has been mentioned, many zoonotic diseases also arise from other places, HIV, ebola, h1n1, mers etc.

[Margin_Walker]

My Dysfunctional Company update:

This morning, the HR guy announced on our chat that he and a few others had developed mild symptoms. So of course we're doing the sensible thing as a London tech company working in a single open plan office and fully able to work from home, and we're not sending everyone home but repeating the line that we're staying open until the government orders us to shut.

Your place sounds nuts. Colleague of mine just dialed into a call from the office and got told in no uncertain terms by a senior manager that he doesn't want her in the office.

Office isn't closed, but expectation is that you shouldn't be there unless absolutely necessary.

[Lemoentjie]

The West really is going mad if they are upset about the term 'Chinese Flu'. FFS.

[Sandstorm]

A bird just came back into work after a long weekend in Zurich. Coughing incessantly and looking crap, then has a tantrum and bursts into tears when we called her an idiot for coming into the office.

I suspect we'll all get the "Home. Now!" message in a bit.

Do you guys give sick pay, if you do there is no need for her to have done that and she deserves the sack for that stupidity

We've already been told we'll all get full pay regardless. She's usually a smart cookie, but today......

[Nolanator]

Breaking news on Sky UK

UK Business Secretary says younger people are less likely to contract coronavirus, and show less severe symptoms.

Errr...

Spoiler: show

Some of that will be related to the demos of the cult, no?

And also that SK are probably testing a broader spectrum of people. Not just sick people like in Italy.

I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of people under 50 who have it and barely even notice, so wouldn't present to be tested. Completely skews the age distribution of confirmed cases.

[Ulsters Red Hand]

The national trust have made all their sites across the UK free so people can get outside while maintaining "social distance". Good move.

[Double]

Chinese food practices are awful. In China, they fed pig brain remains to sheep and cows, which gave them an incurable prion disease which rotted their heads from the inside out. It got into the human food supply and killed 100% of the people it infected and oh wait, no, that was in Britain, sorry.

[Varsity Way]

The national trust have made all their sites across the UK free so people can get outside while maintaining "social distance". Good move.

Indeed. Do paid up members get a rebate?

[Rugby2023]

The West really is going mad if they are upset about the term 'Chinese Flu'. FFS.

There are actually commentators in the West who laud the Chinese handling of the outbreak, never mind the fact China covered up that it was happening, arrested whistleblowers and allowed travel to continue exporting it to Europe and elsewhere in the process, thrusting the rest of the world into chaos.

[Raggs]

Africa has a very young population and a very high mortality rate at younger ages, a flu pandemic isn't going to register


I've been wondering, when does this all end? If you don't allow immunity to build how do you stop the virus from rebounding as soon as measures are relaxed.

There's going to be serious anger after months of poor quality of life

You don't. You keep measures in place until a vaccine is developed, or a very good treatment, that can be produced in hundreds of millions/billions.

Unless the paper criticising the UK paper is correct. Though even if there's a very small chance of slow transmission, keeping the virus hidden and alive, that chance is going to likely crop up in a population of 60M, and you end up with it going again.

[Lemoentjie]

The West really is going mad if they are upset about the term 'Chinese Flu'. FFS.

There are actually commentators in the West who laud the Chinese handling of the outbreak, never mind the fact China covered up that it was happening, arrested whistleblowers and allowed travel to continue exporting it to Europe and elsewhere in the process, thrusting the rest of the world into chaos.

A cynic might say that they deliberately turned a blind eye to this part...

[Calculus]

The West really is going mad if they are upset about the term 'Chinese Flu'. FFS.

There are actually commentators in the West who laud the Chinese handling of the outbreak, never mind the fact China covered up that it was happening, arrested whistleblowers and allowed travel to continue exporting it to Europe and elsewhere in the process, thrusting the rest of the world into chaos.

A cynic might say that they deliberately turned a blind eye to this part...

In your case maybe just an idiot

[Keith]

I see a 45yo man battling MND has become the youngest to die in the UK so far

[Frodder]

Expect to see all the freelancers offloaded pretty sharply in many industries, especially O&G.

This will fundamentally change employment methods in the UK when combined with IR35.

Wrong and Right

Wrong: IR35 has been delayed by a year (announced last night)

Right: Freelancers being kicked out left, right and centre including me.

Expecting a long time out of work

[Varsity Way]

I see a 45yo man battling MND has become the youngest to die in the UK so far

As if things were not bad enough. Spared more suffering down the road?

[camroc1]

Africa has a very young population and a very high mortality rate at younger ages, a flu pandemic isn't going to register


I've been wondering, when does this all end? If you don't allow immunity to build how do you stop the virus from rebounding as soon as measures are relaxed.

There's going to be serious anger after months of poor quality of life

You don't. You keep measures in place until a vaccine is developed, or a very good treatment, that can be produced in hundreds of millions/billions.

Unless the paper criticising the UK paper is correct. Though even if there's a very small chance of slow transmission, keeping the virus hidden and alive, that chance is going to likely crop up in a population of 60M, and you end up with it going again.

You want to keep hospitalisations to a minimum, preferably below what your health system can deal with.

[BokJock]

The West really is going mad if they are upset about the term 'Chinese Flu'. FFS.

There are actually commentators in the West who laud the Chinese handling of the outbreak, never mind the fact China covered up that it was happening, arrested whistleblowers and allowed travel to continue exporting it to Europe and elsewhere in the process, thrusting the rest of the world into chaos.

A cynic might say that they deliberately turned a blind eye to this part...

In your case maybe just an idiot

You reckon he is responsible for this FB post doing the rounds

Impact of coronavirus on stock exchanges worldwide, within 1 month:

-26%
-26%
-25%
-27%
-20%
-19%
-16%
-24%
-14%
-17%
-12%
- 17%

Now, look at this:

(China) + 0,3%

China, creator of the pandemic, has miraculously "recovered", has almost no more cases of coronavirus. The world is now beginning to feel the effects and panic about the disease. Who recovered first ?? China itself! It seems to be that this virus was a move by the Chinese government in response to the loss of the trade war with the United States. The goal: to throw the world into recession !!!
Is the scenario not clear? They are already growing! China bought almost everything it devalued on the stock exchanges around the world ... with that the Chinese became owners of the global companies that are in China and without the money leaving China.

[MungoMan]

No one kicked up a racist stink with the name Australian Flu.

It's a weakness in the western system - actually buried right deep in the minds of many of our people - far more toxic than any virus or military deficiency: the fear of being called racist.

China knows this. And they will exploit it. They already are. It's hard to think of anything more decadent and stupid than getting worked up over the name of the flu. But there you go.

Yeah m8, but we called rubella German measles and the squareheaded fucks started two world wars. Nothing wrong with learning from your mistakes.

[ScarfaceClaw]

Over 200,000 cases now, and only starting to take hold in a lot of countries. But good news, Domino's are doing contact free delivery.

Amazon have been doing that for ages.

Not many of the pizzas are made contact free though are they? Some sniffing bastard on a zero hour contract mashing the pizza dough and coughing into it. Great that once they’ve baked in a good bit of virus that they then seal it in a box and pretend that it’s not been touched.

[backrow]

The West really is going mad if they are upset about the term 'Chinese Flu'. FFS.

There are actually commentators in the West who laud the Chinese handling of the outbreak, never mind the fact China covered up that it was happening, arrested whistleblowers and allowed travel to continue exporting it to Europe and elsewhere in the process, thrusting the rest of the world into chaos.

A cynic might say that they deliberately turned a blind eye to this part...

In your case maybe just an idiot

You reckon he is responsible for this FB post doing the rounds

Impact of coronavirus on stock exchanges worldwide, within 1 month:

-26%
-26%
-25%
-27%
-20%
-19%
-16%
-24%
-14%
-17%
-12%
- 17%

Now, look at this:

(China) + 0,3%

China, creator of the pandemic, has miraculously "recovered", has almost no more cases of coronavirus. The world is now beginning to feel the effects and panic about the disease. Who recovered first ?? China itself! It seems to be that this virus was a move by the Chinese government in response to the loss of the trade war with the United States. The goal: to throw the world into recession !!!
Is the scenario not clear? They are already growing! China bought almost everything it devalued on the stock exchanges around the world ... with that the Chinese became owners of the global companies that are in China and without the money leaving China.

Lolz, surprised that post doesn’t also go on about their tiny mickies as well

[JM2K6]

Africa has a very young population and a very high mortality rate at younger ages, a flu pandemic isn't going to register


I've been wondering, when does this all end? If you don't allow immunity to build how do you stop the virus from rebounding as soon as measures are relaxed.

There's going to be serious anger after months of poor quality of life

You don't. You keep measures in place until a vaccine is developed, or a very good treatment, that can be produced in hundreds of millions/billions.

Unless the paper criticising the UK paper is correct. Though even if there's a very small chance of slow transmission, keeping the virus hidden and alive, that chance is going to likely crop up in a population of 60M, and you end up with it going again.

The idea is with proper test and trace and rapid response you don't have to lockdown every time, you can just stamp down on the local outbreaks.

While I'm here... can you remind me what the changes are to our testing recently?

[Raggs]

The idea is with proper test and trace and rapid response you don't have to lockdown every time, you can just stamp down on the local outbreaks.

While I'm here... can you remind me what the changes are to our testing recently?

Testing hospitalised cases only is the last one I saw? Is that the one? Diagnosis comes before case tracking in terms of importance.

South Korea are probably the most advanced here, and still report close to 100 cases a day. It also only takes 1 or 2 super spreaders to cause real issues. They've not tracked the individuals, they've given warnings and individuals have come in. I'd trust Koreans (even stubborn old ladies) to generally get tested properly, rather than some of the idiots we seem to produce. Though maybe after a lockdown there'd be a change in attitude.

[sewa]

Expect to see all the freelancers offloaded pretty sharply in many industries, especially O&G.

This will fundamentally change employment methods in the UK when combined with IR35.

Wrong and Right

Wrong: IR35 has been delayed by a year (announced last night)

Right: Freelancers being kicked out left, right and centre including me.

Expecting a long time out of work

Sorry to hear that Frodders, seems the Uk pharma companies have cut quick and hard. Hoping it takes a bit longer here

[danny_fitz]

Expect to see all the freelancers offloaded pretty sharply in many industries, especially O&G.

This will fundamentally change employment methods in the UK when combined with IR35.

Well I was in oil and gas and I have been 'offloaded'. Writing was on the wall given that on the project I was working on all our kit was coming in from China and Italy!

I heard last night that new IR35 regs have been suspended for a year so we can still operate on a limited company basis. BP last month decided all its contractors were inside IR35 and switched them to PAYE. They are a bit f*cked now as quite a few of these folk refused to accept the new terms of engagement and have buggered off to rail, pharma and infrastructure. IR35 is a clusterf*ck

[backrow]

I see a 45yo man battling MND has become the youngest to die in the UK so far

What is the uk death toll up to now ? Latest I saw was 71, 14 on the day (which although one off , is less than day on day total previously thank god)

[bimboman]

Over 200,000 cases now, and only starting to take hold in a lot of countries. But good news, Domino's are doing contact free delivery.

Amazon have been doing that for ages.

Not many of the pizzas are made contact free though are they? Some sniffing bastard on a zero hour contract mashing the pizza dough and coughing into it. Great that once they’ve baked in a good bit of virus that they then seal it in a box and pretend that it’s not been touched.

Does Corona virus survive 400 deg temperature?

[danny_fitz]

Expect to see all the freelancers offloaded pretty sharply in many industries, especially O&G.

This will fundamentally change employment methods in the UK when combined with IR35.

Well I was in oil and gas and I have been 'offloaded'. Writing was on the wall given that on the project I was working on all our kit was coming in from China and Italy!

I heard last night that new IR35 regs have been suspended for a year so we can still operate on a limited company basis. BP last month decided all its contractors were inside IR35 and switched them to PAYE. They are a bit f*cked now as quite a few of these folk refused to accept the new terms of engagement and have buggered off to rail, pharma and infrastructure. IR35 is a clusterf*ck

While no one in HMRC is at risk of losing their job, the thought of the utter chaos that is going to consume that organisation for years to come is giving me a spring in my step.

I get why they brought it in initially way back in the day when IT contractors were taking the piss. It has just become punitive now

[Lobby]

Chinese food practices are awful. In China, they fed pig brain remains to sheep and cows, which gave them an incurable prion disease which rotted their heads from the inside out. It got into the human food supply and killed 100% of the people it infected and oh wait, no, that was in Britain, sorry.

The virus has seen this post and noted that you are one of the virtuous ones. You will be saved my brother. It only takes the racist.

What Double is also neglecting to remember is that as far as I know British farmers are no longer feeding their livestock brains. Whereas Chinese farmers have been supplying the world with deadly viruses for years, and they are still at it!

BSE was probably caused by feeding cows the remains of cattle and scrapie-infected sheep, not pigs. Its transmission into the human food chain resulted in new variant CJD. However, far from killing 100% of people who ate infected beef, to date only 177 people with a specific genetic makeup which made them susceptible to the disease died from nvCJD in the UK. It is possible that more people who ate infected beef may develop CJD in later life, but this is still very far from Double's belief that there was a 100% mortality rate.

And, as MiB has pointed out, once the link was understood, farming practices were changed and stringent procedures were put in place to remove BSE-infected beef from the food chain.