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iarmhiman wrote:
Winnie wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:The summer is gone folks.

Whats the bets the weather will be amazing and we're stuck inside
Have you not got a garden?
I live in an apartment
Should have worked harder instead of arguing with Bimbobot.
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Sefton wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:Who will get the 300th post?
Some idiot.
Surely the 300th post is long gone?
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CM11 wrote:
Edinburgh01 wrote:I dip in and out of this and confess I have not been analysing every piece of information, so forgive me if this is a dumb question.

And so people understand my perspective, if I get this the chances are I would not survive.

Is the at risk group reasonably well defined? It appears to me that those dying fall fairly clearly into a defined group, with some outliers.

I have no idea if those needing treatment and surviving fall into the same group, or include more robust individuals who recover due to their youth and vigour.

If the at risk group can be clearly defined, why not impose draconian restrictions on us (e.g. take over Haven Holiday camps and similar and put us securely in there) and let the rest of the population get on with life. Everything I hear seems to revolve around 'protect the vulnerable'. So if all this is to protect what I accept is a pretty large group, surely the easiest way to do it is hermetically seal us off from society until a vaccine has been developed.
This is the thing. There's been a bit of a lie about it only affecting the older people and giving younger people a false sense of security. While it's true that you're much, much more likely to die of it regardless of intervention if you're old/compromised, a lot of younger people are hospitalised with a significant minority in ICU. For any given case, a healthy young person has a very good chance of survival but not if there's no ICU beds left for them. Hence we can't just cocoon the older/compromised and let everyone else get it.
In the midst of a lot of childish crap on this thread, you CM11 have talked a lot of sense.
Good man :thumbup:
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ScarfaceClaw wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:The summer is gone folks.

Whats the bets the weather will be amazing and we're stuck inside
Buy a house with a garden you peasant.
Wrong login, me !
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iarmhiman wrote:
Winnie wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:The summer is gone folks.

Whats the bets the weather will be amazing and we're stuck inside
Have you not got a garden?
I live in an apartment
Is that s posh flat?
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My little one went to school today 15 PUPILS OUT OF 900 TURNED UP
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iarmhiman wrote:
Winnie wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:The summer is gone folks.

Whats the bets the weather will be amazing and we're stuck inside
Have you not got a garden?
I live in an apartment
Have you got a south-facing window? Grow some salad leaves
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Winnie wrote:So why will people be non infectious at a funeral but dangerous at a wedding?
Funerals can't be delayed, also tend to be smaller and no need for a reception with people dancing and enclosed together for a whole day and can be postponed. It's a human concession.
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Thanks Boris. 3 weeks of lie ins.
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Sefton wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Winnie wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:The summer is gone folks.

Whats the bets the weather will be amazing and we're stuck inside
Have you not got a garden?
I live in an apartment
Should have worked harder instead of arguing with Bimbobot.
Id have to move down the country. Apartment in Dublin city centre suits me for the next 5 years
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backrow wrote:
ScarfaceClaw wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:The summer is gone folks.

Whats the bets the weather will be amazing and we're stuck inside
Buy a house with a garden you peasant.
Wrong login, me !
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(Or how ever you do that one)
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Leinsterman wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Winnie wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:The summer is gone folks.

Whats the bets the weather will be amazing and we're stuck inside
Have you not got a garden?
I live in an apartment
Have you got a south-facing window? Grow some salad leaves
I do actually
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ovalball wrote:I got my official text today from the Health Service - I'm totally locked in for 12 weeks due to taking Immuno suppressants putting me on their 'high risk' list. Doesn't make that much difference because we've been self isolating for a week now anyway.

Anyone else here, on the list?
Got the text this afternoon. Been isolating since Friday. Major concern that my wife's 12 weeks special leave will be rescinded as work is going to be swamped with claimants. Going to have to move out if that happens.
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c69 wrote:My little one went to school today 15 PUPILS OUT OF 900 TURNED UP
Missus had 20 at her school, with a full staff thanks to the dick of a head.
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message #2527204 wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Winnie wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:The summer is gone folks.

Whats the bets the weather will be amazing and we're stuck inside
Have you not got a garden?
I live in an apartment
Is that s posh flat?
Flat has a different meaning over here
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Petej wrote:
Western countries can’t lock down for a year.
this was linked from that blog post that was kindly put up earlier by paddyor
https://necpluribusimpar.net/are-we-hea ... -disaster/
Review of Ferguson et al “Impact of
non-pharmaceutical interventions...”
Chen Shen†, Nassim Nicholas Taleb∗, Yaneer Bar-Yam
which i don't want to copy paste but essentially suggests you can lock down for few months get the cases right down, improve testing, tracing and tracking and then start opening back up/eliminate it. The model from imperial assumes that as soon as china starts opening up again another outbreak will start back up again which might not be the case.[/quote]

Bar-Yam says you only need 3 weeks, maybe a month of lock down to make it work.
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ScarfaceClaw wrote:
backrow wrote:
ScarfaceClaw wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:The summer is gone folks.

Whats the bets the weather will be amazing and we're stuck inside
Buy a house with a garden you peasant.
Wrong login, me !
8======>———

(Or how ever you do that one)
Jeez mate, I’m a Honky - a few too many equals signs there, Bro !
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Iarmhi: what's the difference for you between a flat and an apartment?

I guess I'll need to tidy my garden a bit after all - luckily I live close to woods for the daily exercise with the dog.
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goeagles wrote:
Petej wrote:
Western countries can’t lock down for a year.
this was linked from that blog post that was kindly put up earlier by paddyor
https://necpluribusimpar.net/are-we-hea ... -disaster/
Review of Ferguson et al “Impact of
non-pharmaceutical interventions...”
Chen Shen†, Nassim Nicholas Taleb∗, Yaneer Bar-Yam
which i don't want to copy paste but essentially suggests you can lock down for few months get the cases right down, improve testing, tracing and tracking and then start opening back up/eliminate it. The model from imperial assumes that as soon as china starts opening up again another outbreak will start back up again which might not be the case.
Bar-Yam says you only need 3 weeks, maybe a month of lock down to make it work.[/quote]



Boris reckons we'll have 2 million antibody testing kits in 3 weeks.
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backrow wrote:
ScarfaceClaw wrote:
backrow wrote:
ScarfaceClaw wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:The summer is gone folks.

Whats the bets the weather will be amazing and we're stuck inside
Buy a house with a garden you peasant.
Wrong login, me !
8======>———

(Or how ever you do that one)
Jeez mate, I’m a Honky - a few too many equals signs there, Bro !
I thought with it being less cold outside...
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Salanya wrote:Iarmhi: what's the difference for you between a flat and an apartment?

I guess I'll need to tidy my garden a bit after all - luckily I live close to woods for the daily exercise with the dog.
Apartment is private and flat is owned by the council
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eldanielfire wrote:
Winnie wrote:So why will people be non infectious at a funeral but dangerous at a wedding?
Funerals can't be delayed, also tend to be smaller and no need for a reception with people dancing and enclosed together for a whole day and can be postponed. It's a human concession.
Basically yeah. I think they are needed when the person being mourned died alone without family being able to visit.
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Salanya wrote:Iarmhi: what's the difference for you between a flat and an apartment?

I guess I'll need to tidy my garden a bit after all - luckily I live close to woods for the daily exercise with the dog.
Orly
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Irish posters would only need one equals sign
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Winnie wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
Winnie wrote:So why will people be non infectious at a funeral but dangerous at a wedding?
I suspect funerals are harder to postpone until September.
a popular person could easily have 200 at a funeral
Guidance on the government website confirms only immediate family able to attend

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... others.pdf
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iarmhiman wrote:
Salanya wrote:Iarmhi: what's the difference for you between a flat and an apartment?

I guess I'll need to tidy my garden a bit after all - luckily I live close to woods for the daily exercise with the dog.
Apartment is private and flat is owned by the council
Weren't you D1 as well?

Someone has been saving his eurocents ;)
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iarmhiman wrote:
Salanya wrote:Iarmhi: what's the difference for you between a flat and an apartment?

I guess I'll need to tidy my garden a bit after all - luckily I live close to woods for the daily exercise with the dog.
Apartment is private and flat is owned by the council
Like the difference between a terraced cottage and a town house.
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Salanya wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Salanya wrote:Iarmhi: what's the difference for you between a flat and an apartment?

I guess I'll need to tidy my garden a bit after all - luckily I live close to woods for the daily exercise with the dog.
Apartment is private and flat is owned by the council
Weren't you D1 as well?

Someone has been saving his eurocents ;)
I rented in D2, then rented in D7 then bought in D8
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Re: Funerals.

My sister and her husband will be the only ones attending my late Mother's cremation. The rest of the family and friends will get together after this crisis is over to scatter the ashes. It's not ideal and it's going to feel awful not being there but I think on balance it's the responsible thing to do.
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eldanielfire wrote:
Winnie wrote:So why will people be non infectious at a funeral but dangerous at a wedding?
Funerals can't be delayed, also tend to be smaller and no need for a reception with people dancing and enclosed together for a whole day and can be postponed. It's a human concession.
You’ve clearly never been to an Irish funeral
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iarmhiman wrote:
Salanya wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Salanya wrote:Iarmhi: what's the difference for you between a flat and an apartment?

I guess I'll need to tidy my garden a bit after all - luckily I live close to woods for the daily exercise with the dog.
Apartment is private and flat is owned by the council
Weren't you D1 as well?

Someone has been saving his eurocents ;)
I rented in D2, then rented in D7 then bought in D8
You live by the zoo - nice! :thumbup:
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Gospel wrote:Re: Funerals.

My sister and her husband will be the only ones attending my late Mother's cremation. The rest of the family and friends will get together after this crisis is over to scatter the ashes. It's not ideal and it's going to feel awful not being there but I think on balance it's the responsible thing to do.
My parents are in NZ. If they go then I have no chance getting anywhere near there in time. It’s going to be a worrying time for a while.
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Salanya wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Salanya wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Salanya wrote:Iarmhi: what's the difference for you between a flat and an apartment?

I guess I'll need to tidy my garden a bit after all - luckily I live close to woods for the daily exercise with the dog.
Apartment is private and flat is owned by the council
Weren't you D1 as well?

Someone has been saving his eurocents ;)
I rented in D2, then rented in D7 then bought in D8
You live by the zoo - nice! :thumbup:
10 minute walk
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Winnie wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Winnie wrote:So why will people be non infectious at a funeral but dangerous at a wedding?
Funerals can't be delayed, also tend to be smaller and no need for a reception with people dancing and enclosed together for a whole day and can be postponed. It's a human concession.
You’ve clearly never been to an Irish funeral
He certainly hasn't
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Gospel wrote:Re: Funerals.

My sister and her husband will be the only ones attending my late Mother's cremation. The rest of the family and friends will get together after this crisis is over to scatter the ashes. It's not ideal and it's going to feel awful not being there but I think on balance it's the responsible thing to do.
Once again condolences, mate. This all sux big time. :((
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c69 wrote:My little one went to school today 15 PUPILS OUT OF 900 TURNED UP
My wife and the entire staff (minus those isolating) were all told they had to be in today. 16 kids turned up so she’s now on a rota working 1 day a week.
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Mate, you surely weren’t expecting the NHS to handle this crisis properly? :?
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backrow wrote:
Salanya wrote:Iarmhi: what's the difference for you between a flat and an apartment?

I guess I'll need to tidy my garden a bit after all - luckily I live close to woods for the daily exercise with the dog.
Orly
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