Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

happyhooker · Post by **happyhooker** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:51 am

In summary; noone has a clue yet.

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:54 am

happyhooker wrote:In summary; noone has a clue yet.

About what? You'll need to narrow the criteria

happyhooker · Post by **happyhooker** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:54 am

Seneca of the Night wrote:
happyhooker wrote:In summary; noone has a clue yet.
The epitaph for this forum.

And here you are

DragsterDriver · Post by **DragsterDriver** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:57 am

happyhooker wrote:In summary; noone has a clue yet.

No wine tonight

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:58 am

DragsterDriver wrote:Rewind selector!

Those who pay themselves a salary and dividends through their own company are not covered by the scheme but will be covered for their salary by the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme if they are operating PAYE schemes.’
I’m well under £50k and furloughed. So 80% of my paye salary?

Yes

It's been repeated many times by both independent advisors and government officials on the media. You will be entitled to 80% of your PAYE

DragsterDriver · Post by **DragsterDriver** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:00 pm

Wine is back!

So it's only directors earning 50k plus that get no help? Like the IT contractors the gummint dislike?

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:02 pm

DragsterDriver wrote:Wine is back!

So it's only directors earning 50k plus that get no help? Like the IT contractors the gummint dislike?

£50K PAYE is the CAP. So you might earn more on PAYE than that, but you won't get the extra.

DragsterDriver · Post by **DragsterDriver** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:04 pm

Saint wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:Wine is back!

So it's only directors earning 50k plus that get no help? Like the IT contractors the gummint dislike?
£50K PAYE is the CAP. So you might earn more on PAYE than that, but you won't get the extra.

I really don't understand why people are saying they'll get nothing then?

I'm happy with £800 a month!

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:05 pm

DragsterDriver wrote:Wine is back!

So it's only directors earning 50k plus that get no help? Like the IT contractors the gummint dislike?

Hated we are, hated

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:07 pm

DragsterDriver wrote:
Saint wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:Wine is back!

So it's only directors earning 50k plus that get no help? Like the IT contractors the gummint dislike?
£50K PAYE is the CAP. So you might earn more on PAYE than that, but you won't get the extra.
I really don't understand why people are saying they'll get nothing then?

I'm happy with £800 a month!

Ltd company, paid in dividends only

DragsterDriver · Post by **DragsterDriver** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:12 pm

Saint wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Saint wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:Wine is back!

So it's only directors earning 50k plus that get no help? Like the IT contractors the gummint dislike?
£50K PAYE is the CAP. So you might earn more on PAYE than that, but you won't get the extra.
I really don't understand why people are saying they'll get nothing then?

I'm happy with £800 a month!
Ltd company, paid in dividends only

Bit rich! won't pay their way then want a bail out, no worse than tradies who do all cash moaning!

slick · Post by **slick** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:13 pm

DragsterDriver wrote:
Saint wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:Wine is back!

So it's only directors earning 50k plus that get no help? Like the IT contractors the gummint dislike?
£50K PAYE is the CAP. So you might earn more on PAYE than that, but you won't get the extra.
I really don't understand why people are saying they'll get nothing then?

I'm happy with £800 a month!

Quite.

My only problem is I have hardly paid myself this year but it has been through PAYE and over £9K so should get something I guess.

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:16 pm

Anyway - Spanish deaths increase by 769, up from 655 the day before

BREAKING - BoJo has tested positive

JM2K6 · Post by **JM2K6** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:21 pm

Lemoentjie wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:It's starting to be a sport to find those going on TV or the papers insulting various government responses to the virus are finding their own positions early on don't stand up to scrutiny.

Speaking on BBQT Richard Horton said:
“This is a national scandal. We knew in the last week of Jan that this was coming. The message from china was absolutely clear that a new virus with pandemic potential was hitting cities”
Odd, because he tweeted this in the last week of Jan:

Journalist being a scum, surprise surprise

He's not a journalist, he's the editor of the lancet. And more appropriately, anyone can see his Twitter feed and read for themselves his change in tone literally days after that tweet. He was calling for more action before we even hit February.

For example https://twitter.com/richardhorton1/stat ... 7517305856 and https://twitter.com/richardhorton1/stat ... 5569352706 - and the article he published on the 1st which contradicts the quoted tweet.

People are gonna be wrong sometimes - what matters is how they adjust in the face of evidence. This attempt at a gotcha just isn't going to cut it.

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:22 pm

Prime Minister Raab

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:23 pm

Frodder wrote:Prime Minister Raab

Bring back Boris all is forgiven

message #2527204 · Post by **message #2527204** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:24 pm

Frodder wrote:Bimbo's best mate Corbyn having 1 last swipe before departing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52048213

...the government's response to coronavirus proves he was "absolutely right" about public spending at the 2019 general election.

I guess we'll have to wait and see the state of the economy afterwards to judge if everyone else was right about the effects.

Yer Man · Post by **Yer Man** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:24 pm

Corbyn doesn't seem such a bad idea right now

YOYO · Post by **YOYO** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:24 pm

Boris Johnson has been diagnosed with coronavirus.

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:25 pm

Yer Man wrote:Corbyn doesn't seem such a bad idea right now

Wouldn’t fancy his chances

Yer Man · Post by **Yer Man** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:27 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:
Yer Man wrote:Corbyn doesn't seem such a bad idea right now
Wouldn’t fancy his chances

Everyone gets to be Prime Minster for 3 days - then dies horribly

C69 · Post by **C69** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:28 pm

Yer Man wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Yer Man wrote:Corbyn doesn't seem such a bad idea right now
Wouldn’t fancy his chances
Everyone gets to be Prime Minster for 3 days - then dies horribly

Gove should be next

Gospel · Post by **Gospel** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:29 pm

Hard lines for Boris but Westminster has been rife with the virus for weeks. It was only a matter of time.

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:29 pm

c69 wrote:
Yer Man wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Yer Man wrote:Corbyn doesn't seem such a bad idea right now
Wouldn’t fancy his chances
Everyone gets to be Prime Minster for 3 days - then dies horribly
Gove should be next

When was the last cobra meeting? He could literally bring down them all. This is like a movie

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:30 pm

Doesn't 1 of the posters know Raab way back? I'm sure someone was having a Globus moment about him

comets · Post by **comets** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:30 pm

YOYO wrote:Boris Johnson has been diagnosed with coronavirus.

no, coronavirus was tested positive for Boris-19

Duff Paddy · Post by **Duff Paddy** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:31 pm

Duff Paddy wrote:
c69 wrote:
Yer Man wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Yer Man wrote:Corbyn doesn't seem such a bad idea right now
Wouldn’t fancy his chances
Everyone gets to be Prime Minster for 3 days - then dies horribly
Gove should be next
When was the last cobra meeting? He could literally bring down them all. This is like a movie

I wonder did he get it from Neil Ferguson

Mahoney · Post by **Mahoney** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:32 pm

Frodder wrote:Doesn't 1 of the posters know Raab way back? I'm sure someone was having a Globus moment about him

Think slick knows him reasonably well.

Double · Post by **Double** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:32 pm

Frodder wrote:Doesn't 1 of the posters know Raab way back? I'm sure someone was having a Globus moment about him

I know a hundred other idiots just like Raab if that counts.

DragsterDriver · Post by **DragsterDriver** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:33 pm

I noticed him shaking hands furiously with Corbyn as he stepped down.

Ted. · Post by **Ted.** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:46 pm

Raggs wrote:If this was far more transmissible than thought, and already in half the population, a lot more of the tests run would have come back positive. Whilst some mayhave already got over it so not test positive, a huge number should have still been well within the range of a positive test.

What I heard was the the type of test, throat, nose or lung, has a significant effect on whether the virus will be found, as does the stage of infection at which the test is done. i.e. a negative test is not necessarily an indication that the person does not have Covid 19.

Raggs · Post by **Raggs** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:47 pm

Ted. wrote:
Raggs wrote:If this was far more transmissible than thought, and already in half the population, a lot more of the tests run would have come back positive. Whilst some mayhave already got over it so not test positive, a huge number should have still been well within the range of a positive test.
What I heard was the the type of test, throat, nose or lung, has a significant effect on whether the virus will be found, as does the stage of infection at which the test is done. i.e. a negative test is not necessarily an indication that the person does not have Covid 19.

Yep. But even then, it's only a tiny % of tests that has come back positive, it just doesn't fit if there's 50% of us having been infected.

fishfoodie · Post by **fishfoodie** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:47 pm

Does the UK have a mechanism for temporarily replacing a PM who might be incapacitated ?

sorCrer · Post by **sorCrer** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:47 pm

DragsterDriver wrote:I noticed him shaking hands furiously with Corbyn as he stepped down.

backrow · Post by **backrow** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:49 pm

comets wrote:
YOYO wrote:Boris Johnson has been diagnosed with coronavirus.
no, coronavirus was tested positive for Boris-19

you should leave his kids out of this tbf

slick · Post by **slick** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:51 pm

Frodder wrote:Doesn't 1 of the posters know Raab way back? I'm sure someone was having a Globus moment about him

Yes, he’s a mate of mine

JM2K6 · Post by **JM2K6** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:51 pm

slick wrote:
Frodder wrote:Doesn't 1 of the posters know Raab way back? I'm sure someone was having a Globus moment about him
Yes, he’s a mate of mine

Makes sense

slick · Post by **slick** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:54 pm

JM2K6 wrote:
slick wrote:
Frodder wrote:Doesn't 1 of the posters know Raab way back? I'm sure someone was having a Globus moment about him
Yes, he’s a mate of mine
Makes sense

- very good

Don’t make me make a call

message #2527204 · Post by **message #2527204** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:12 pm

fishfoodie wrote:Does the UK have a mechanism for temporarily replacing a PM who might be incapacitated ?

I think the prime minister can delegate responsibility to any minister. If there's no deputy PM, it's the first secretary of State...currently Raab, otherwise if there's no first secretary, then the Chancellor of the Exchequer

eldanielfire · Post by **eldanielfire** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:43 pm

JM2K6 wrote:
Lemoentjie wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:It's starting to be a sport to find those going on TV or the papers insulting various government responses to the virus are finding their own positions early on don't stand up to scrutiny.

Speaking on BBQT Richard Horton said:
“This is a national scandal. We knew in the last week of Jan that this was coming. The message from china was absolutely clear that a new virus with pandemic potential was hitting cities”
Odd, because he tweeted this in the last week of Jan:

Journalist being a scum, surprise surprise
He's not a journalist, he's the editor of the lancet. And more appropriately, anyone can see his Twitter feed and read for themselves his change in tone literally days after that tweet. He was calling for more action before we even hit February.

For example https://twitter.com/richardhorton1/stat ... 7517305856 and https://twitter.com/richardhorton1/stat ... 5569352706 - and the article he published on the 1st which contradicts the quoted tweet.

People are gonna be wrong sometimes - what matters is how they adjust in the face of evidence. This attempt at a gotcha just isn't going to cut it.

Then why is he attempting a gotcha on the government who have been following their Chief medical officers advice, including like Horton changing tact when the evidence showed they should?

It's not as if the British government didn't take nay action after Horton's own change of mind. That week he changed his mind is also where the British government stated to take action on the matter and the CMOs started taking action and the government started acting on their advice. The Health Sec started taking action in awarding powers for isolation in early February. It's not for the government to react to some magazine editor who has a history of publishing false data (Iraq war) or pushing discredited studies (On MMR and autism). Given his own past he can't possibly claim do as he demands means you are always on the right side of history.