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massive_field_goal wrote:Dehli bus station:

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/ ... 4449258496

grim, grim ,grim :|
I read an article in the Atlantic from a US based Indian doctor who said that the way Modi is handling this is criminal.

Millions will be infected
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goeagles wrote:Both the US and UK have more than doubled their deaths in 3 days. Not good at all.

Doubling every 2-4 days has been a consistent pattern for weeks in most western countries now hasn't it?
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Putin cabinate meeting.

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eldanielfire wrote:
goeagles wrote:Both the US and UK have more than doubled their deaths in 3 days. Not good at all.

Doubling every 2-4 days has been a consistent pattern for weeks in most western countries now hasn't it?
Pretty much every 3 days adjusting for noise. Once we start getting to 4 days or more regularly that will mean the curve is flattening. Italy is up to 7 days now but obviously their intervention started sooner. Once they got away from doubling every 3 days, they went about 7.9x in 16 days so that is probably a good expectation once that happens.
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Somewhat encouraging from our perspective (though still far too early to get excited about anything) is that according to this analysis https://scontent.fmel5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5EA6557D we should be seeing an increase of 581 cases today while at present it sits at 328.
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massive_field_goal wrote:Delhi bus station:

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/ ... 4449258496

grim, grim ,grim :|
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massive_field_goal wrote:Delhi bus station:

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/ ... 4449258496

grim, grim ,grim :|
The state of the comments there. Jesus. :(
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According to email correspondence seen by News24, Corbett reached out to Penlon on Monday, asking for urgent assistance for the 'South Africa Emergency Ventilator Project'.

"Our group that is composed of doctors, engineers, industrialists and government. We have identified the Nuffield 200 vent as the most ideal ventilator to introduce into the market. Clearly the opportunity to procure thousands of these units from your esteemed company immediately is not realistic," Corbett wrote.

"We have chosen to start reverse engineering some old N200 units that we have, with the view to establishing a large scale modular manufacturing setup with the ultimate aim to produce these units in significant numbers in the next week or so," his email continues.

"We are appealing to your esteemed company on humanitarian grounds to urgently make all your production drawings and quality documents available to us so that we can fast track this development."

Penlon chief executive Guru Krishnamoorthy responded on Tuesday: "We are currently marketing Nuffield ventilators and hence transferring all drawings etc would be difficult."
Obviously, in these difficult times, one must make a profit.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News ... s-20200329
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Rinkals wrote:
According to email correspondence seen by News24, Corbett reached out to Penlon on Monday, asking for urgent assistance for the 'South Africa Emergency Ventilator Project'.

"Our group that is composed of doctors, engineers, industrialists and government. We have identified the Nuffield 200 vent as the most ideal ventilator to introduce into the market. Clearly the opportunity to procure thousands of these units from your esteemed company immediately is not realistic," Corbett wrote.

"We have chosen to start reverse engineering some old N200 units that we have, with the view to establishing a large scale modular manufacturing setup with the ultimate aim to produce these units in significant numbers in the next week or so," his email continues.

"We are appealing to your esteemed company on humanitarian grounds to urgently make all your production drawings and quality documents available to us so that we can fast track this development."

Penlon chief executive Guru Krishnamoorthy responded on Tuesday: "We are currently marketing Nuffield ventilators and hence transferring all drawings etc would be difficult."
Obviously, in these difficult times, one must make a profit.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News ... s-20200329
It's an odd one. A foreign government stating that they are intending to steal your IP, so please supply the means to do that quickly and efficiently - and then leaking the reply to the media.
There must have been a better way to go about it, even in these horrible times.
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Tucks his tie in for cross infection control but then goes around shaking hands with everyone in the building :thumbdown:
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message #2527204 wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
According to email correspondence seen by News24, Corbett reached out to Penlon on Monday, asking for urgent assistance for the 'South Africa Emergency Ventilator Project'.

"Our group that is composed of doctors, engineers, industrialists and government. We have identified the Nuffield 200 vent as the most ideal ventilator to introduce into the market. Clearly the opportunity to procure thousands of these units from your esteemed company immediately is not realistic," Corbett wrote.

"We have chosen to start reverse engineering some old N200 units that we have, with the view to establishing a large scale modular manufacturing setup with the ultimate aim to produce these units in significant numbers in the next week or so," his email continues.

"We are appealing to your esteemed company on humanitarian grounds to urgently make all your production drawings and quality documents available to us so that we can fast track this development."

Penlon chief executive Guru Krishnamoorthy responded on Tuesday: "We are currently marketing Nuffield ventilators and hence transferring all drawings etc would be difficult."
Obviously, in these difficult times, one must make a profit.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News ... s-20200329
It's an odd one. A foreign government stating that they are intending to steal your IP, so please supply the means to do that quickly and efficiently - and then leaking the reply to the media.
There must have been a better way to go about it, even in these horrible times.
Very true.

Saving Third World lives is pointless.

Especially if your forty-year-old tech can turn a profit.
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Duff Paddy wrote:Tucks his tie in for cross infection control but then goes around shaking hands with everyone in the building :thumbdown:
It's one the Don gave him from his personal collection when he visited the White House. You either tuck it or trip on it.
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Incredible photoshop you mean
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Rinkals wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
According to email correspondence seen by News24, Corbett reached out to Penlon on Monday, asking for urgent assistance for the 'South Africa Emergency Ventilator Project'.

"Our group that is composed of doctors, engineers, industrialists and government. We have identified the Nuffield 200 vent as the most ideal ventilator to introduce into the market. Clearly the opportunity to procure thousands of these units from your esteemed company immediately is not realistic," Corbett wrote.

"We have chosen to start reverse engineering some old N200 units that we have, with the view to establishing a large scale modular manufacturing setup with the ultimate aim to produce these units in significant numbers in the next week or so," his email continues.

"We are appealing to your esteemed company on humanitarian grounds to urgently make all your production drawings and quality documents available to us so that we can fast track this development."

Penlon chief executive Guru Krishnamoorthy responded on Tuesday: "We are currently marketing Nuffield ventilators and hence transferring all drawings etc would be difficult."
Obviously, in these difficult times, one must make a profit.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News ... s-20200329
It's an odd one. A foreign government stating that they are intending to steal your IP, so please supply the means to do that quickly and efficiently - and then leaking the reply to the media.
There must have been a better way to go about it, even in these horrible times.
Very true.

Saving Third World lives is pointless.

Especially if your forty-year-old tech can turn a profit.
As I say, there must have been a better way to go about this.
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Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.

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Let me guess; Daily Express?
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easyray wrote:
Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.

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Let me guess; Daily Express?
The Mail, I believe. They're also running a massive "Get China for this" splash.
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The Man Without Fear wrote:
easyray wrote:
Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.
Spoiler: show
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Let me guess; Daily Express?
The Mail, I believe. They're also running a massive "Get China for this" splash.
Tbf, when it comes to shittyness, bullshit headlines, unadultrated crap and low standard journalism, the Mail and Express lead the pack with very little to choose between them. It’s why brexiters love those rags.
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massive_field_goal wrote:
Even as hospitals across New York become inundated with coronavirus cases, some patients are being left behind in their homes because the health care system cannot handle them all, according to dozens of interviews with paramedics, New York Fire Department officials and union representatives, as well as city data.

In a matter of days, the city’s 911 system has been overwhelmed by calls for medical distress apparently related to the virus. Typically, the system sees about 4,000 Emergency Medical Services calls a day.

On Thursday, dispatchers took more than 7,000 calls — a volume not seen since the Sept. 11 attacks. The record for amount of calls in a day was broken three times in the last week.
Three weeks ago, the paramedics said, most coronavirus calls were for respiratory distress or fever. Now the same types of patients, after having been sent home from the hospital, are experiencing organ failure and cardiac arrest.

“We’re getting them at the point where they’re starting to decompensate,” said the Brooklyn paramedic, who is employed by the Fire Department. “The way that it wreaks havoc in the body is almost flying in the face of everything that we know.”
This is the second round of infection. The Sth Koreans said it was happening around 5 days after being clear. I dont know if it was connected with the early cases in China of people suddenly collapsing in the street. That then went away but was quite scary.
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kiwinoz wrote: This is the second round of infection. The Sth Koreans said it was happening around 5 days after being clear. I dont know if it was connected with the early cases in China of people suddenly collapsing in the street. That then went away but was quite scary.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 3/fulltext

Has China faced only a herald wave of SARS-CoV-2?
Antoine Flahault
Published:March 04, 2020

The attack rate of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) calculated by mathematical models, from estimates of the basic reproduction number, R0, of 2–3, suggests that 50–60% of the population should eventually be infected because the population seems to be entirely naive to the new virus.1 The observed attack rate on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship remained slightly below 20% (705 of 3711 passengers and crew members became infected).1 It is of upmost importance to know whether the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak in China is subsiding, as local authorities and the entire international community might wish. With 80 026 COVID-19 cases officially reported from China as of March 2, 2020,2 the proportion of the population affected remains far from 50%, or even 20%, of China's 1·4 billion people. Has China just experienced a herald wave, to use terminology borrowed from those who study tsunamis, and is the big wave still to come?
Serosurveys can help answer these questions precisely.3 To serosurvey the outbreak would involve testing sera of blood samples from the most representative sample of the population at the epicentre of the epidemic, Wuhan. Serology analysis with neutralising antibodies from the 1000 people could allow for the rate of SARS-CoV-2 infections to be estimated with good accuracy. This rate could be extrapolated to the city's entire population and thus inform more precisely whether the provisional attack rate during this period was a few cases per thousand or perhaps affected 1–2% of the population, 20%, or more. Serosurveys should be seen as polls before elections; they can be repeated several times,3 week after week, to monitor the epidemic precisely.

There is no reason to wait for the end of the epidemic before doing serosurveys. The results would be tremendously informative to China, first and foremost, and to the entire international community, on the risk of big secondary epidemic waves.
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Hong Kong wrote:Image
Tbf if that was 3rd March then he may have been ok then - I would have thought he would have had had daily tests done.
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easyray wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:
easyray wrote:
Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.
Spoiler: show
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Let me guess; Daily Express?
The Mail, I believe. They're also running a massive "Get China for this" splash.
Tbf, when it comes to shittyness, bullshit headlines, unadultrated crap and low standard journalism, the Mail and Express lead the pack with very little to choose between them. It’s why brexiters love those rags.
True, but this article was in the Sunday Express, which was a pro-Remain paper.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:Putin cabinate meeting.

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Incredible swagger.
Real footage of Putin terminating his cabinet:

https://youtu.be/LKZanVzVqhw?t=49
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Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.

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Wow!!! :lol:
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Plato'sCave wrote:
Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.

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Wow!!! :lol:
Laughable but some will believe
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DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
And yet the government is doing absolutely nothing to enforce isolation from ventilators :(
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:Incredible photoshop you mean
There is no way that is photoshopped. Check out the mirror image of the suit. Actually, now that I look at the flags hanging limply in the background, I wonder, is this photo taken on the moon?
Pah that’s easy. You’d think one of his medics would tell him to get a proper hazmat mask and not one from his local builders suppliers though.
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DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.
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Raggs wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.
......and we are looking to buy 10s of thousands of ventilators.......
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ManInTheBar wrote:
Raggs wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.
......and we are looking to buy 10s of thousands of ventilators.......
Yes. Because without them you're definitely dead, rather than only probably. Younger patients have quite good survival rates, even if they get to the ventilators.
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ManInTheBar wrote:
Raggs wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.
......and we are looking to buy 10s of thousands of ventilators.......
Yeah, at what point does triage demand mortality too high in older people to justify. Could society even cope if comes to that decision, would there be outrage?
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frillage wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
Raggs wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.
......and we are looking to buy 10s of thousands of ventilators.......
Yeah, at what point does triage demand mortality too high in older people to justify. Could society even cope if comes to that decision, would there be outrage?
I don't think we can go there. We are all going to be old. We all have (or have had) parents.

There will, of course, continue to be decisions taken minute by minute as to who to continue to support and who to let go, but that should NOT be changed from the prior situation. Unless and until we absolutely have to.
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ManInTheBar wrote:
Raggs wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.
......and we are looking to buy 10s of thousands of ventilators.......

Yes, we know 1,000’s more people are going to die everywhere.
Yeah, at what point does triage demand mortality too high in older people to justify. Could society even cope if comes to that decision, would there be outrage?
of course society can cope. They’ll only be out rage from idiots.
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Duff Paddy wrote:Incredible photoshop you mean

Yep

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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Raggs wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.
I've read 85%. A statistic so high, it starts to make one wonder about all sorts of interesting things.
true, here in brescia and bergamo
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Raggs wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.
I've read 85%. A statistic so high, it starts to make one wonder about all sorts of interesting things.
Any decent figures on how many/percentages of how many of each age group going on ventilator?
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frillage wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Raggs wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.
I've read 85%. A statistic so high, it starts to make one wonder about all sorts of interesting things.
Any decent figures on how many/percentages of how many of each age group going on ventilator?

Seriously why should this be available, it’s only for speculation and nonsense . No one is qualified yet to make judgements on the decisions and I doubt anyone on here bar the Fat plastic will be qualified in the future.
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One of the Italian videos stated that most people who survived only needed less than a week (4 days?) on a ventilator but if you needed it after that then it could be up to 20 days and unlikely to survive in any case. essentially it becomes like a DNR decision but made not by the family. :(
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terapia intensiva = icu


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