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I read an article in the Atlantic from a US based Indian doctor who said that the way Modi is handling this is criminal.massive_field_goal wrote:Dehli bus station:
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goeagles wrote:Both the US and UK have more than doubled their deaths in 3 days. Not good at all.
Pretty much every 3 days adjusting for noise. Once we start getting to 4 days or more regularly that will mean the curve is flattening. Italy is up to 7 days now but obviously their intervention started sooner. Once they got away from doubling every 3 days, they went about 7.9x in 16 days so that is probably a good expectation once that happens.eldanielfire wrote:goeagles wrote:Both the US and UK have more than doubled their deaths in 3 days. Not good at all.
Doubling every 2-4 days has been a consistent pattern for weeks in most western countries now hasn't it?
FFSmassive_field_goal wrote:Delhi bus station:
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The state of the comments there. Jesus.massive_field_goal wrote:Delhi bus station:
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Obviously, in these difficult times, one must make a profit.According to email correspondence seen by News24, Corbett reached out to Penlon on Monday, asking for urgent assistance for the 'South Africa Emergency Ventilator Project'.
"Our group that is composed of doctors, engineers, industrialists and government. We have identified the Nuffield 200 vent as the most ideal ventilator to introduce into the market. Clearly the opportunity to procure thousands of these units from your esteemed company immediately is not realistic," Corbett wrote.
"We have chosen to start reverse engineering some old N200 units that we have, with the view to establishing a large scale modular manufacturing setup with the ultimate aim to produce these units in significant numbers in the next week or so," his email continues.
"We are appealing to your esteemed company on humanitarian grounds to urgently make all your production drawings and quality documents available to us so that we can fast track this development."
Penlon chief executive Guru Krishnamoorthy responded on Tuesday: "We are currently marketing Nuffield ventilators and hence transferring all drawings etc would be difficult."
It's an odd one. A foreign government stating that they are intending to steal your IP, so please supply the means to do that quickly and efficiently - and then leaking the reply to the media.Rinkals wrote:Obviously, in these difficult times, one must make a profit.According to email correspondence seen by News24, Corbett reached out to Penlon on Monday, asking for urgent assistance for the 'South Africa Emergency Ventilator Project'.
"Our group that is composed of doctors, engineers, industrialists and government. We have identified the Nuffield 200 vent as the most ideal ventilator to introduce into the market. Clearly the opportunity to procure thousands of these units from your esteemed company immediately is not realistic," Corbett wrote.
"We have chosen to start reverse engineering some old N200 units that we have, with the view to establishing a large scale modular manufacturing setup with the ultimate aim to produce these units in significant numbers in the next week or so," his email continues.
"We are appealing to your esteemed company on humanitarian grounds to urgently make all your production drawings and quality documents available to us so that we can fast track this development."
Penlon chief executive Guru Krishnamoorthy responded on Tuesday: "We are currently marketing Nuffield ventilators and hence transferring all drawings etc would be difficult."
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News ... s-20200329
Very true.message #2527204 wrote:It's an odd one. A foreign government stating that they are intending to steal your IP, so please supply the means to do that quickly and efficiently - and then leaking the reply to the media.Rinkals wrote:Obviously, in these difficult times, one must make a profit.According to email correspondence seen by News24, Corbett reached out to Penlon on Monday, asking for urgent assistance for the 'South Africa Emergency Ventilator Project'.
"Our group that is composed of doctors, engineers, industrialists and government. We have identified the Nuffield 200 vent as the most ideal ventilator to introduce into the market. Clearly the opportunity to procure thousands of these units from your esteemed company immediately is not realistic," Corbett wrote.
"We have chosen to start reverse engineering some old N200 units that we have, with the view to establishing a large scale modular manufacturing setup with the ultimate aim to produce these units in significant numbers in the next week or so," his email continues.
"We are appealing to your esteemed company on humanitarian grounds to urgently make all your production drawings and quality documents available to us so that we can fast track this development."
Penlon chief executive Guru Krishnamoorthy responded on Tuesday: "We are currently marketing Nuffield ventilators and hence transferring all drawings etc would be difficult."
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News ... s-20200329
There must have been a better way to go about it, even in these horrible times.
It's one the Don gave him from his personal collection when he visited the White House. You either tuck it or trip on it.Duff Paddy wrote:Tucks his tie in for cross infection control but then goes around shaking hands with everyone in the building
As I say, there must have been a better way to go about this.Rinkals wrote:Very true.message #2527204 wrote:It's an odd one. A foreign government stating that they are intending to steal your IP, so please supply the means to do that quickly and efficiently - and then leaking the reply to the media.Rinkals wrote:Obviously, in these difficult times, one must make a profit.According to email correspondence seen by News24, Corbett reached out to Penlon on Monday, asking for urgent assistance for the 'South Africa Emergency Ventilator Project'.
"Our group that is composed of doctors, engineers, industrialists and government. We have identified the Nuffield 200 vent as the most ideal ventilator to introduce into the market. Clearly the opportunity to procure thousands of these units from your esteemed company immediately is not realistic," Corbett wrote.
"We have chosen to start reverse engineering some old N200 units that we have, with the view to establishing a large scale modular manufacturing setup with the ultimate aim to produce these units in significant numbers in the next week or so," his email continues.
"We are appealing to your esteemed company on humanitarian grounds to urgently make all your production drawings and quality documents available to us so that we can fast track this development."
Penlon chief executive Guru Krishnamoorthy responded on Tuesday: "We are currently marketing Nuffield ventilators and hence transferring all drawings etc would be difficult."
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News ... s-20200329
There must have been a better way to go about it, even in these horrible times.
Saving Third World lives is pointless.
Especially if your forty-year-old tech can turn a profit.
Let me guess; Daily Express?Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.
The Mail, I believe. They're also running a massive "Get China for this" splash.easyray wrote:Let me guess; Daily Express?Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.
Tbf, when it comes to shittyness, bullshit headlines, unadultrated crap and low standard journalism, the Mail and Express lead the pack with very little to choose between them. It’s why brexiters love those rags.The Man Without Fear wrote:The Mail, I believe. They're also running a massive "Get China for this" splash.easyray wrote:Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.
Spoiler: show
Let me guess; Daily Express?
This is the second round of infection. The Sth Koreans said it was happening around 5 days after being clear. I dont know if it was connected with the early cases in China of people suddenly collapsing in the street. That then went away but was quite scary.massive_field_goal wrote:Even as hospitals across New York become inundated with coronavirus cases, some patients are being left behind in their homes because the health care system cannot handle them all, according to dozens of interviews with paramedics, New York Fire Department officials and union representatives, as well as city data.
In a matter of days, the city’s 911 system has been overwhelmed by calls for medical distress apparently related to the virus. Typically, the system sees about 4,000 Emergency Medical Services calls a day.
On Thursday, dispatchers took more than 7,000 calls — a volume not seen since the Sept. 11 attacks. The record for amount of calls in a day was broken three times in the last week.Three weeks ago, the paramedics said, most coronavirus calls were for respiratory distress or fever. Now the same types of patients, after having been sent home from the hospital, are experiencing organ failure and cardiac arrest.
“We’re getting them at the point where they’re starting to decompensate,” said the Brooklyn paramedic, who is employed by the Fire Department. “The way that it wreaks havoc in the body is almost flying in the face of everything that we know.”
kiwinoz wrote: This is the second round of infection. The Sth Koreans said it was happening around 5 days after being clear. I dont know if it was connected with the early cases in China of people suddenly collapsing in the street. That then went away but was quite scary.
Tbf if that was 3rd March then he may have been ok then - I would have thought he would have had had daily tests done.Hong Kong wrote:
True, but this article was in the Sunday Express, which was a pro-Remain paper.easyray wrote:Tbf, when it comes to shittyness, bullshit headlines, unadultrated crap and low standard journalism, the Mail and Express lead the pack with very little to choose between them. It’s why brexiters love those rags.The Man Without Fear wrote:The Mail, I believe. They're also running a massive "Get China for this" splash.easyray wrote:Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.
Spoiler: show
Let me guess; Daily Express?
Real footage of Putin terminating his cabinet:Seneca of the Night wrote:Incredible swagger.eldanielfire wrote:Putin cabinate meeting.
Guaranteed survival as President for Life ensured.
Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.
Laughable but some will believePlato'sCave wrote:Conservative Eddie wrote:Not sure if redrebelled.
Wow!!!
And yet the government is doing absolutely nothing to enforce isolation from ventilatorsDragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Pah that’s easy. You’d think one of his medics would tell him to get a proper hazmat mask and not one from his local builders suppliers though.Seneca of the Night wrote:There is no way that is photoshopped. Check out the mirror image of the suit. Actually, now that I look at the flags hanging limply in the background, I wonder, is this photo taken on the moon?Duff Paddy wrote:Incredible photoshop you mean
Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
......and we are looking to buy 10s of thousands of ventilators.......Raggs wrote:Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Yes. Because without them you're definitely dead, rather than only probably. Younger patients have quite good survival rates, even if they get to the ventilators.ManInTheBar wrote:......and we are looking to buy 10s of thousands of ventilators.......Raggs wrote:Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Yeah, at what point does triage demand mortality too high in older people to justify. Could society even cope if comes to that decision, would there be outrage?ManInTheBar wrote:......and we are looking to buy 10s of thousands of ventilators.......Raggs wrote:Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
I don't think we can go there. We are all going to be old. We all have (or have had) parents.frillage wrote:Yeah, at what point does triage demand mortality too high in older people to justify. Could society even cope if comes to that decision, would there be outrage?ManInTheBar wrote:......and we are looking to buy 10s of thousands of ventilators.......Raggs wrote:Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
ManInTheBar wrote:......and we are looking to buy 10s of thousands of ventilators.......Raggs wrote:Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
of course society can cope. They’ll only be out rage from idiots.Yeah, at what point does triage demand mortality too high in older people to justify. Could society even cope if comes to that decision, would there be outrage?
Duff Paddy wrote:Incredible photoshop you mean
true, here in brescia and bergamoSeneca of the Night wrote:I've read 85%. A statistic so high, it starts to make one wonder about all sorts of interesting things.Raggs wrote:Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
Any decent figures on how many/percentages of how many of each age group going on ventilator?Seneca of the Night wrote:I've read 85%. A statistic so high, it starts to make one wonder about all sorts of interesting things.Raggs wrote:Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
frillage wrote:Any decent figures on how many/percentages of how many of each age group going on ventilator?Seneca of the Night wrote:I've read 85%. A statistic so high, it starts to make one wonder about all sorts of interesting things.Raggs wrote:Once you get on a ventilator, you're in trouble. From what I've read, it's really bad for the 70+ group, the majority of them don't survive.DragsterDriver wrote:50% of patients on ventilators are dying?! They sound dangerous.
