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Clogs wrote:
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Lockdowns in Europe saved millions of lives

The Imperial study assessed the impact of restrictions in 11 European countries - Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the UK - up to the beginning of May.

By that time, around 130,000 people had died from coronavirus in those countries.

The researchers used disease modelling to predict how many deaths there would have been if lockdown had not happened. And the work comes from the same group that guided the UK's decision to go into lockdown.

UK changes course amid death toll fears
They estimated 3.2 million people would have died by 4 May if not for measures such as closing businesses and telling people to stay at home.

That meant lockdown saved around 3.1 million lives, including 470,000 in the UK, 690,000 in France and 630,000 in Italy, the report in the journal Nature shows.

"Lockdown averted millions of deaths, those deaths would have been a tragedy," said Dr Seth Flaxman, from Imperial.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52968523

How many people would have to have become infected in Europe for that model to be accurate?
Don't know how they work it out but like for like Sweden with twice the population of Finland has currently around 15 times as many deaths. France has same size population as the UK and 30,000 deaths. 7 times as many deaths would be 210,000. Even if they are way out we are talking overwhelmed health services and absolute carnage.

This is why models can be so misleading. They have reported that lockdown have saved 470 000 people in the UK. Now given we know the approximate IFR is 0.5%, it means in order for 470 000 people to die 94 million people in the UK would have to become infected. That model has some flaws....
Do we know that's the IFR? Seems to be the lower end of the ranges I'm seeing at the moment?

And as pointed out. It's not just covid19 that people will die of when there's no beds in hospitals left. In addition, that IFR is when you have the facilities to treat, covid alone will be more deadly with no beds.
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Was just reading a story about a 15 year old who got crushed in a farming accident. The father reckons he's only alive today because covid has emptied the hospitals and everyone is on heightened alert. So from accident to ICU went much smoother. While he may have died under normal circumstances, he definitely would have with the hospitals overwhelmed due to covid. One example but not isolated, I'm sure.
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Heartwarming story
Seattle coronavirus survivor gets a $1.1 million, 181-page hospital bill
https://apple.news/Ab_dOmkONQc-usEIYbVs9_g
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How many people would have to have become infected in Europe for that model to be accurate?
Don't know how they work it out but like for like Sweden with twice the population of Finland has currently around 15 times as many deaths. France has same size population as the UK and 30,000 deaths. 7 times as many deaths would be 210,000. Even if they are way out we are talking overwhelmed health services and absolute carnage.

This is why models can be so misleading. They have reported that lockdown have saved 470 000 people in the UK. Now given we know the approximate IFR is 0.5%, it means in order for 470 000 people to die 94 million people in the UK would have to become infected. That model has some flaws....
Do we know that's the IFR? Seems to be the lower end of the ranges I'm seeing at the moment?

And as pointed out. It's not just covid19 that people will die of when there's no beds in hospitals left. In addition, that IFR is when you have the facilities to treat, covid alone will be more deadly with no beds.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
that has a list of serological studies. Not sure how frequently it is updated. Can't remember who posted it. Was it you? Really variable. If the UK was less fat and unhealthy then our IFR would be lower.

I'm sure somebody else has posted this but 70-80% are asymptomatic according to an ONS study
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/ ... 66831.html

I just want my kids nursery to open now. Having to use up annual leave as wife and I are both still working full time is a bastard. I think so long as we don't allow large crowds (particularly indoors) for super spreader type events this thing will dissipate due to its K value.
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CM11 wrote:Was just reading a story about a 15 year old who got crushed in a farming accident. The father reckons he's only alive today because covid has emptied the hospitals and everyone is on heightened alert. So from accident to ICU went much smoother. While he may have died under normal circumstances, he definitely would have with the hospitals overwhelmed due to covid. One example but not isolated, I'm sure.
Got a doctor in the family who said last night that if you're ever going to get a serious condition now would be the time.
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croyals wrote:
CM11 wrote:Was just reading a story about a 15 year old who got crushed in a farming accident. The father reckons he's only alive today because covid has emptied the hospitals and everyone is on heightened alert. So from accident to ICU went much smoother. While he may have died under normal circumstances, he definitely would have with the hospitals overwhelmed due to covid. One example but not isolated, I'm sure.
Got a doctor in the family who said last night that if you're ever going to get a serious condition now would be the time.
Not in West Wales. Friend of mine has a very serious condition, that hasn't been addressed by the NHS. Now its critical. God knows what they are doing because there's bugger all covid out here.
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Up to 80 per cent of people who test positive for coronavirus don't show any symptoms, a new study of the pandemic in England suggests.
Ok, here's a question for the medical/science bordies.
What does it mean to "test positive"?
Obviously the virus is lingering somewhere in your system, but it isn't going anywhere, or what?
A few days ago I posted a link to a British medical chap claiming between 50 and 80% of humans are just not "in the game". Meaning the virus has no effect on them.
Can a pathogen resides in your body for a while, being totally impotent and then eventually just fvck off?
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ChipSpike wrote:
croyals wrote:
CM11 wrote:Was just reading a story about a 15 year old who got crushed in a farming accident. The father reckons he's only alive today because covid has emptied the hospitals and everyone is on heightened alert. So from accident to ICU went much smoother. While he may have died under normal circumstances, he definitely would have with the hospitals overwhelmed due to covid. One example but not isolated, I'm sure.
Got a doctor in the family who said last night that if you're ever going to get a serious condition now would be the time.
Not in West Wales. Friend of mine has a very serious condition, that hasn't been addressed by the NHS. Now its critical. God knows what they are doing because there's bugger all covid out here.
Wouldn't say bugger all, but hope you mate pulls through.
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Bokkom wrote:
Up to 80 per cent of people who test positive for coronavirus don't show any symptoms, a new study of the pandemic in England suggests.
Ok, here's a question for the medical/science bordies.
What does it mean to "test positive"?
Obviously the virus is lingering somewhere in your system, but it isn't going anywhere, or what?
A few days ago I posted a link to a British medical chap claiming between 50 and 80% of humans are just not "in the game". Meaning the virus has no effect on them.
Can a pathogen resides in your body for a while, being totally impotent and then eventually just fvck off?
It can stay in your body for a long time, tests on people were showing they still had the virus several weeks on, but the test were incorrect because dead virus cells still float happily around your body until they flush out.
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Clive wrote:
ChipSpike wrote:
croyals wrote:
CM11 wrote:Was just reading a story about a 15 year old who got crushed in a farming accident. The father reckons he's only alive today because covid has emptied the hospitals and everyone is on heightened alert. So from accident to ICU went much smoother. While he may have died under normal circumstances, he definitely would have with the hospitals overwhelmed due to covid. One example but not isolated, I'm sure.
Got a doctor in the family who said last night that if you're ever going to get a serious condition now would be the time.
Not in West Wales. Friend of mine has a very serious condition, that hasn't been addressed by the NHS. Now its critical. God knows what they are doing because there's bugger all covid out here.
Wouldn't say bugger all, but hope you mate pulls through.
We've had 10 - 25 patients in critical care in the whole of Hywel Dda for the last 2 months? I'm not a health expert but that doesn't sound a lot to me. I would like to have explained to me why 'normal' emergencies aren't being addressed.
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Mr Mike wrote:Heartwarming story
Seattle coronavirus survivor gets a $1.1 million, 181-page hospital bill
https://apple.news/Ab_dOmkONQc-usEIYbVs9_g
Would he have died if he only had basic cover
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Clive wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Up to 80 per cent of people who test positive for coronavirus don't show any symptoms, a new study of the pandemic in England suggests.
Ok, here's a question for the medical/science bordies.
What does it mean to "test positive"?
Obviously the virus is lingering somewhere in your system, but it isn't going anywhere, or what?
A few days ago I posted a link to a British medical chap claiming between 50 and 80% of humans are just not "in the game". Meaning the virus has no effect on them.
Can a pathogen resides in your body for a while, being totally impotent and then eventually just fvck off?
It can stay in your body for a long time, tests on people were showing they still had the virus several weeks on, but the test were incorrect because dead virus cells still float happily around your body until they flush out.
So they are "dead"?
Meaning, although they are there, they have no effect?
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Muttonbirds wrote:Great screen shot here. This is worldmeters with the active cases low to high selected.

Of the countries which can be bothered recording active cases, New Zealand heads the list as best performing eradicator.

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You've actually managed to post an image which proves you wrong.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Bokkom wrote:
Clive wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Up to 80 per cent of people who test positive for coronavirus don't show any symptoms, a new study of the pandemic in England suggests.
Ok, here's a question for the medical/science bordies.
What does it mean to "test positive"?
Obviously the virus is lingering somewhere in your system, but it isn't going anywhere, or what?
A few days ago I posted a link to a British medical chap claiming between 50 and 80% of humans are just not "in the game". Meaning the virus has no effect on them.
Can a pathogen resides in your body for a while, being totally impotent and then eventually just fvck off?
It can stay in your body for a long time, tests on people were showing they still had the virus several weeks on, but the test were incorrect because dead virus cells still float happily around your body until they flush out.
So they are "dead"?
Meaning, although they are there, they have no effect?
Depending on the test run though the ONS are running antibody tests and antigen tests. If you have had the virus and your immune system has dealt with it you would have created antibodies. If you have the virus currently or have remnants of it that hasn't been fully flushed out they will be picked up by an antigen test. Asymptomatic means you have or had the virus but never had or will get any symptoms (likely more common in younger people). Pre-symptomatic means you have the virus but have not had symptoms so far.

If the british medical chap is Sikora i would be a bit careful about it though he definitely has valid opinions on missed cancer detection, people dying of other conditions as they are too scared to go hospital and people being way more scared than the actual risk the virus currently poses to them.
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Can anyone explain this PHE report that says racism/discrimination is partially to blame for high death rates amongst BAME people with Covid 19 in the UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ths-report

I would have thought actual physiological reasons would have played the bigger part.

I can understand that some might be of lower income/ have poorer living conditions/worse health care in the locations they live (mostly the cities) and that this gave them a worse outcome from catching the virus.

Do BAME deaths in other European countries tie in with this?

Found this odd.
"For BAME communities, lack of trust of NHS services resulted in reluctance to seek care."
Especially when so many BAME people work in the NHS and their high infection/death rate well documented.
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Glaston wrote:Can anyone explain this PHE report that says racism/discrimination is partially to blame for high death rates amongst BAME people with Covid 19 in the UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ths-report

I would have thought actual physiological reasons would have played the bigger part.

I can understand that some might be of lower income/ have poorer living conditions/worse health care in the locations they live (mostly the cities) and that this gave them a worse outcome from catching the virus.

Do BAME deaths in other European countries tie in with this?

Found this odd.
"For BAME communities, lack of trust of NHS services resulted in reluctance to seek care."
Especially when so many BAME people work in the NHS and their high infection/death rate well documented.
Its lack of vitamin D with brown and black people, causing the problem.
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Bokkom wrote:
Clive wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Up to 80 per cent of people who test positive for coronavirus don't show any symptoms, a new study of the pandemic in England suggests.
Ok, here's a question for the medical/science bordies.
What does it mean to "test positive"?
Obviously the virus is lingering somewhere in your system, but it isn't going anywhere, or what?
A few days ago I posted a link to a British medical chap claiming between 50 and 80% of humans are just not "in the game". Meaning the virus has no effect on them.
Can a pathogen resides in your body for a while, being totally impotent and then eventually just fvck off?
It can stay in your body for a long time, tests on people were showing they still had the virus several weeks on, but the test were incorrect because dead virus cells still float happily around your body until they flush out.
So they are "dead"?
Meaning, although they are there, they have no effect?
Yes 100% correct. They carried out tests in Korea and couldn't understand why people who had covid were showing signs months on, the virus was showing its presence, but it was dead and no effect what so ever.
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Clive wrote:
Glaston wrote:Can anyone explain this PHE report that says racism/discrimination is partially to blame for high death rates amongst BAME people with Covid 19 in the UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ths-report

I would have thought actual physiological reasons would have played the bigger part.

I can understand that some might be of lower income/ have poorer living conditions/worse health care in the locations they live (mostly the cities) and that this gave them a worse outcome from catching the virus.

Do BAME deaths in other European countries tie in with this?

Found this odd.
"For BAME communities, lack of trust of NHS services resulted in reluctance to seek care."
Especially when so many BAME people work in the NHS and their high infection/death rate well documented.
Its lack of vitamin D with brown and black peoples the problem.
Case closed
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ChipSpike wrote:
Clive wrote:
ChipSpike wrote:
croyals wrote:
CM11 wrote:Was just reading a story about a 15 year old who got crushed in a farming accident. The father reckons he's only alive today because covid has emptied the hospitals and everyone is on heightened alert. So from accident to ICU went much smoother. While he may have died under normal circumstances, he definitely would have with the hospitals overwhelmed due to covid. One example but not isolated, I'm sure.
Got a doctor in the family who said last night that if you're ever going to get a serious condition now would be the time.
Not in West Wales. Friend of mine has a very serious condition, that hasn't been addressed by the NHS. Now its critical. God knows what they are doing because there's bugger all covid out here.
Wouldn't say bugger all, but hope you mate pulls through.
We've had 10 - 25 patients in critical care in the whole of Hywel Dda for the last 2 months? I'm not a health expert but that doesn't sound a lot to me. I would like to have explained to me why 'normal' emergencies aren't being addressed.
My son had an op in May in Swansea so still think other things are being seen to but at much lower level.
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Am I the only one finding the figures from Russia and India as ever so slightly questionable.
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Glaston wrote:Can anyone explain this PHE report that says racism/discrimination is partially to blame for high death rates amongst BAME people with Covid 19 in the UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ths-report

I would have thought actual physiological reasons would have played the bigger part.

I can understand that some might be of lower income/ have poorer living conditions/worse health care in the locations they live (mostly the cities) and that this gave them a worse outcome from catching the virus.

Do BAME deaths in other European countries tie in with this?

Found this odd.
"For BAME communities, lack of trust of NHS services resulted in reluctance to seek care."
Especially when so many BAME people work in the NHS and their high infection/death rate well documented.

Lammy on Marr said its historical racism - whatever that means in this context. Slave traders no doubt.
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message #2527204 wrote:
Glaston wrote:Can anyone explain this PHE report that says racism/discrimination is partially to blame for high death rates amongst BAME people with Covid 19 in the UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ths-report

I would have thought actual physiological reasons would have played the bigger part.

I can understand that some might be of lower income/ have poorer living conditions/worse health care in the locations they live (mostly the cities) and that this gave them a worse outcome from catching the virus.

Do BAME deaths in other European countries tie in with this?

Found this odd.
"For BAME communities, lack of trust of NHS services resulted in reluctance to seek care."
Especially when so many BAME people work in the NHS and their high infection/death rate well documented.

Lammy on Marr said its historical racism - whatever that means in this context. Slave traders no doubt.
"Lack of trust in the NHS" seems a bit of a stretch. I take it we are going to ignore all the genetic reasons why the BAME community have suffered so badly and look for less obvious options.
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Glaston wrote:Can anyone explain this PHE report that says racism/discrimination is partially to blame for high death rates amongst BAME people with Covid 19 in the UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ths-report

I would have thought actual physiological reasons would have played the bigger part.

I can understand that some might be of lower income/ have poorer living conditions/worse health care in the locations they live (mostly the cities) and that this gave them a worse outcome from catching the virus.

Do BAME deaths in other European countries tie in with this?

Found this odd.
"For BAME communities, lack of trust of NHS services resulted in reluctance to seek care."
Especially when so many BAME people work in the NHS and their high infection/death rate well documented.
I'd be interested in how they came to that conclusion. I have never hard that before
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Anonymous. wrote:
Glaston wrote:Can anyone explain this PHE report that says racism/discrimination is partially to blame for high death rates amongst BAME people with Covid 19 in the UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ths-report

I would have thought actual physiological reasons would have played the bigger part.

I can understand that some might be of lower income/ have poorer living conditions/worse health care in the locations they live (mostly the cities) and that this gave them a worse outcome from catching the virus.

Do BAME deaths in other European countries tie in with this?

Found this odd.
"For BAME communities, lack of trust of NHS services resulted in reluctance to seek care."
Especially when so many BAME people work in the NHS and their high infection/death rate well documented.
I'd be interested in how they came to that conclusion. I have never hard that before
Maybe they think they're in america.
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Lack of trust in the NHS? Sounds like shite. It’s free and open to everyone. No one in the UK is unaware of this.

If BAME communities have poor health, that’s not racist.
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BlackMac wrote:
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Glaston wrote:Can anyone explain this PHE report that says racism/discrimination is partially to blame for high death rates amongst BAME people with Covid 19 in the UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ths-report

I would have thought actual physiological reasons would have played the bigger part.

I can understand that some might be of lower income/ have poorer living conditions/worse health care in the locations they live (mostly the cities) and that this gave them a worse outcome from catching the virus.

Do BAME deaths in other European countries tie in with this?

Found this odd.
"For BAME communities, lack of trust of NHS services resulted in reluctance to seek care."
Especially when so many BAME people work in the NHS and their high infection/death rate well documented.

Lammy on Marr said its historical racism - whatever that means in this context. Slave traders no doubt.
"Lack of trust in the NHS" seems a bit of a stretch. I take it we are going to ignore all the genetic reasons why the BAME community have suffered so badly and look for less obvious options.
The ONS analysis did not take into account the work people do. The guy who was interviewed on the BBC said that and other environmental factors they had not been able to include could make a big difference.
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Lots of asian folk are fat and are diabetic, most of the people in Wales died because of this ,not because they're poor or have shit jobs in the NHS its because they are prone to Covid and low levels of Vitamin D don't help.
If people want and try and make this yet another racist issue they are utter twats with ones head up ones arse.
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Sandstorm wrote:Lack of trust in the NHS? Sounds like shite. It’s free and open to everyone. No one in the UK is unaware of this.

If BAME communities have poor health, that’s not racist.
You are right it is true everyone knows it's free and open to everyone. Not sure where that would come into lack of trust in the NHS though
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Anonymous. wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:Lack of trust in the NHS? Sounds like shite. It’s free and open to everyone. No one in the UK is unaware of this.

If BAME communities have poor health, that’s not racist.
You are right it is true everyone knows it's free and open to everyone. Not sure where that would come into lack of trust in the NHS though
It’s weird. Someone stated the rumour at the start of this pandemic, dunno why it gained traction these day......wait I do. :roll:
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horrible news from an old school friend. They're in hospital with a dodgy heart (only working at 5-10%), on the transplant list, and have now tested positive for Coronavirus. Odds are not good for them
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it's odd. You had the Muslim journalist in one briefing saying that the NHS itself was racist. Definitely needs looking at.
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Saint wrote:horrible news from an old school friend. They're in hospital with a dodgy heart (only working at 5-10%), on the transplant list, and have now tested positive for Coronavirus. Odds are not good for them
Thoughts and prayers.
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Clive wrote:Lots of asian folk are fat and are diabetic, most of the people in Wales died because of this ,not because they're poor or have shit jobs in the NHS its because they are prone to Covid and low levels of Vitamin D don't help.
If people want and try and make this yet another racist issue they are utter twats with ones head up ones arse.
I must admit my doctor told me as I am black and living in the UK I would certainly have low Vitamin D levels (my bloods came back confirming what she said). She gave me a script for a high dose to bring my levels up and I've been taking a maintenance dose ever since. It does significantly reduce susceptibility to acute respiratory tract infections.

However I do believe the most obvious correlation between general health and life expectancy is disposable household income.
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message #2527204 wrote:it's odd. You had the Muslim journalist in one briefing saying that the NHS itself was racist. Definitely needs looking at.
:lol:
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Sandstorm wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:Lack of trust in the NHS? Sounds like shite. It’s free and open to everyone. No one in the UK is unaware of this.

If BAME communities have poor health, that’s not racist.
You are right it is true everyone knows it's free and open to everyone. Not sure where that would come into lack of trust in the NHS though
It’s weird. Someone stated the rumour at the start of this pandemic, dunno why it gained traction these day......wait I do. :roll:
To be honest you mentioning it is the first I've heard of it and still don't see what that would have to do with trust issues.
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Anonymous. wrote:
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Sandstorm wrote:Lack of trust in the NHS? Sounds like shite. It’s free and open to everyone. No one in the UK is unaware of this.

If BAME communities have poor health, that’s not racist.
You are right it is true everyone knows it's free and open to everyone. Not sure where that would come into lack of trust in the NHS though
It’s weird. Someone stated the rumour at the start of this pandemic, dunno why it gained traction these day......wait I do. :roll:
To be honest you mentioning it is the first I've heard of it and still don't see what that would have to do with trust issues.
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Clive wrote:Lots of asian folk are fat and are diabetic, most of the people in Wales died because of this ,not because they're poor or have shit jobs in the NHS its because they are prone to Covid and low levels of Vitamin D don't help.
If people want and try and make this yet another racist issue they are utter twats with ones head up ones arse.
I must admit my doctor told me as I am black and living in the UK I would certainly have low Vitamin D levels (my bloods came back confirming what she said). She gave me a script for a high dose to bring my levels up and I've been taking a maintenance dose ever since. It does significantly reduce susceptibility to acute respiratory tract infections.

However I do believe the most obvious correlation between general health and life expectancy is disposable household income.
There is definitely a correlation, but it's not famine that is causing deaths. Maybe this report will actually shed some light.
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Anonymous. wrote:
Clive wrote:Lots of asian folk are fat and are diabetic, most of the people in Wales died because of this ,not because they're poor or have shit jobs in the NHS its because they are prone to Covid and low levels of Vitamin D don't help.
If people want and try and make this yet another racist issue they are utter twats with ones head up ones arse.
I must admit my doctor told me as I am black and living in the UK I would certainly have low Vitamin D levels (my bloods came back confirming what she said). She gave me a script for a high dose to bring my levels up and I've been taking a maintenance dose ever since. It does significantly reduce susceptibility to acute respiratory tract infections.

However I do believe the most obvious correlation between general health and life expectancy is disposable household income.
There is definitely a correlation, but it's not famine that is causing deaths. Maybe this report will actually shed some light.
Ironically it's my experience that it's by far and away cheaper to eat healthily. You get a right big bag of fresh fruit and vegetables for a few quid, it's the processed food that's expensive. Those benefit programs Channel 5 (mostly) run are a real eye-opener, some of the shite mother's shovel down their kids is shameful really.
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Anonymous. wrote:
Clive wrote:Lots of asian folk are fat and are diabetic, most of the people in Wales died because of this ,not because they're poor or have shit jobs in the NHS its because they are prone to Covid and low levels of Vitamin D don't help.
If people want and try and make this yet another racist issue they are utter twats with ones head up ones arse.
I must admit my doctor told me as I am black and living in the UK I would certainly have low Vitamin D levels (my bloods came back confirming what she said). She gave me a script for a high dose to bring my levels up and I've been taking a maintenance dose ever since. It does significantly reduce susceptibility to acute respiratory tract infections.

However I do believe the most obvious correlation between general health and life expectancy is disposable household income.
Vitamin D comes from sunshine, white people absorb it better than dark skinned, you also can get it from oily fish cheese and mushrooms (normal kind) so the winter time is when the dosage should be higher, helps with fatigue also.
I take one a day, double up in the winter.
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However I do believe the most obvious correlation between general health and life expectancy is disposable household income.
Maybe, that wouldn’t explain the disparity in Doctors deaths though.
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