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Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its shorts.
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Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
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Yer Man wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its shorts.
fixed.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.
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Bokkom wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.


All we need is a centralised economy and a vile approach to human rights ........
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bimboman wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.


All we need is a centralised economy and a vile approach to human rights ........
And you are special, very special.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Cheers, Gav. Interesting read.
Enough to make me buy some masks, but they are a pain in the ass if you wear glasses.
I have yet to try it but if you're referring to the fogging up then a bit of wet tissue under the top of the mask apparently works.

My eyesight isn't the worst so I end up just taking them off.
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Case numbers starting to trend up again in London. Very early trend, but gone up from c.16 to c.25 a day over the last week.
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Bokkom wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.
Whereas the "American Empire" has such a positive view on facemasks?

I would ascribe British/English (that's actually what you're trying to say) views on face mask down to a lack of education rather than arrogance
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Saint wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.
Whereas the "American Empire" has such a positive view on facemasks?

I would ascribe British/English (that's actually what you're trying to say) views on face mask down to a lack of education rather than arrogance
Anyone I talk to on this mentions mixed messages from health authorities. Not sure exactly what they've said in the UK but they need to say they should be worn here with more conviction although it doesn't help that we have comments from one of our more vocal 'err on the side of caution' virologists saying that there's only 1 in a million cases in the community (hence most people go 'why bother?').
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Bokkom wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.


All we need is a centralised economy and a vile approach to human rights ........
And you are special, very special.

I’m not special, everyone can see your nonsense for what it is.
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Mahoney wrote:Case numbers starting to trend up again in London. Very early trend, but gone up from c.16 to c.25 a day over the last week.

They need to keep an eye on it, certainly, but when the baseline numbers get this low then it only takes one "superspreader" to have a huge impact on the number. Just as with the r0 number in Germany with the meatpacking plant, there cones a point where the raw data becomes close to useless- yiu have to understand the analysis, the tracking, etc to.know if ut's something yo worry about.

Fir instance, if these cases actually are as a result of track and trace, then these are cases identified and now quarantined that would otherwise have been potential spreaders. Context becomes king
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Saint wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.
Whereas the "American Empire" has such a positive view on facemasks?

I would ascribe British/English (that's actually what you're trying to say) views on face mask down to a lack of education rather than arrogance

Yeah, even out educated experts are doubting the effectiveness.
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I’m not special, everyone can see your nonsense for what it is.
There you go, speaking on behalf of "everyone", again.
You are indeed special.,
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Saint wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.
Whereas the "American Empire" has such a positive view on facemasks?

I would ascribe British/English (that's actually what you're trying to say) views on face mask down to a lack of education rather than arrogance
Aren't they (mostly) Anglo Saxon themselves?
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Bokkom wrote:
Saint wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.
Whereas the "American Empire" has such a positive view on facemasks?

I would ascribe British/English (that's actually what you're trying to say) views on face mask down to a lack of education rather than arrogance
Aren't they (mostly) Anglo Saxon themselves?
So they lost wars to themselves? What is your point here? You seem very confused.
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eldanielfire wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:An interesting study now showing only 13% of adults want to return to the Old Normal post COVID-19. In the meanwhile people have discovered that they have found family life, a more balanced life and flexible working. You know, something closer to what the Nordic countries have enjoyed in their economies in recent years. The study was taken by a nursery provider so probably leans towards families.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... old-normal

<Snip>
I've seen a few articles too about families with kids with special needs, noting how they're thriving in the new reality of families spending more time together, & being more involved in their children's education; & where the Education systems have been forced to enable this, & provide plans & materials.

It'd be nice if there were some winners in this.
Good stuff. I wonder if the UK shoudla dopt something like the Netherlands working week:

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/in ... 20a%20week.

"With 29-hour work weeks, the Netherlands has the world's shortest week for business professionals, according to an OECD study. As illustrated in a BambooHR infographic, women in the Netherlands typically worked 25 hours a week, and men typically worked 34 hours a week."
A genderpaygaptastic stat.
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So they lost wars to themselves? What is your point here? You seem very confused.
Just shut up and wear your mask, dipshit.
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Bokkom wrote:
So they lost wars to themselves? What is your point here? You seem very confused.
Just shut up and wear your mask, dipshit.
Don’t bother mate. Bimbot and Fake Message have been against masks from Day 1
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Bokkom wrote:
So they lost wars to themselves? What is your point here? You seem very confused.
Just shut up and wear your mask, dipshit.
Fvck off. You can't oppress me.
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eldanielfire wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:An interesting study now showing only 13% of adults want to return to the Old Normal post COVID-19. In the meanwhile people have discovered that they have found family life, a more balanced life and flexible working. You know, something closer to what the Nordic countries have enjoyed in their economies in recent years. The study was taken by a nursery provider so probably leans towards families.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... old-normal

<Snip>
I've seen a few articles too about families with kids with special needs, noting how they're thriving in the new reality of families spending more time together, & being more involved in their children's education; & where the Education systems have been forced to enable this, & provide plans & materials.

It'd be nice if there were some winners in this.
Good stuff. I wonder if the UK shoudla dopt something like the Netherlands working week:

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/in ... 20a%20week.

"With 29-hour work weeks, the Netherlands has the world's shortest week for business professionals, according to an OECD study. As illustrated in a BambooHR infographic, women in the Netherlands typically worked 25 hours a week, and men typically worked 34 hours a week."
Large parts of the FDI I work for have been on 80% hrs, for 80% pay for a number of weeks now. I wonder what the productivity numbers will look like at the end of the quarter ?

For some people it works better than others, as I think people who get dragged into way, way too many meetings, have wielded the axe, & cut a number of them, once the management empowered them to.

I'm a working stiff, & because I'm not in the company long; I haven't been pulled randomly into meetings; so for me the 20% has just cut into project time, & I'm not confident that completion targets will be reset.
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Bokkom wrote:
I’m not special, everyone can see your nonsense for what it is.
There you go, speaking on behalf of "everyone", again.
You are indeed special.,

Tell us more about the wonderful CCP.
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Bokkom wrote:
Saint wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.
Whereas the "American Empire" has such a positive view on facemasks?

I would ascribe British/English (that's actually what you're trying to say) views on face mask down to a lack of education rather than arrogance
Aren't they (mostly) Anglo Saxon themselves?
You're the one that tried to differentiate the two inthe first pakce.
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Bokkom wrote:
Saint wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.
Whereas the "American Empire" has such a positive view on facemasks?

I would ascribe British/English (that's actually what you're trying to say) views on face mask down to a lack of education rather than arrogance
Aren't they (mostly) Anglo Saxon themselves?

Race seems important to you, why?
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bimboman wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
I’m not special, everyone can see your nonsense for what it is.
There you go, speaking on behalf of "everyone", again.
You are indeed special.,

Tell us more about the wonderful CCP.
So the Opium Wars were waged against the CCP?
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Majestic whataboutery on display here :lol:

Situation normal, nothing to see here. Reasonable point made, Anglo’s are arrogant and generally ignorant when it comes to other cultures. Defense springs to action... feathers flying everywhere. Looks like a guilt response to me, point carried, case proven :thumbup:
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Bokkom wrote:
Saint wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Bokkom wrote:This whole mask issue to me shows, again, the (non too subtle) inherent arrogance of the Anglo Saxons towards the rest of the world (in general) and the Far East (in particular).
They have learned very little since the Opium Wars and subsequent conquests.
A leopard definitely doesn't change its spots.
They keep winning? Not sure what your point is here...
Yes, yes...they kept winning the wars.
Up to a point. Then they lost it to the American Empire.
But the arrogant mentality is still there, bubbling under.
Whereas the "American Empire" has such a positive view on facemasks?

I would ascribe British/English (that's actually what you're trying to say) views on face mask down to a lack of education rather than arrogance
Aren't they (mostly) Anglo Saxon themselves?
I find it offensive and arrogant that you assume all English people are Anglo Saxons.

By the way, how is that old "racism" thing going in South Africa Mr Leopard?
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I assume he meany ethnically english.
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Gavin Duffy wrote:I assume he meany ethnically english.
I don't even know what that means. I will defer to an expert on racial categorisation though. As we can assume all South Africans are given that generalisations appear to be the order of the day.
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guy smiley wrote:Majestic whataboutery on display here :lol:

Situation normal, nothing to see here. Reasonable point made, Anglo’s are arrogant and generally ignorant when it comes to other cultures. Defense springs to action... feathers flying everywhere. Looks like a guilt response to me, point carried, case proven :thumbup:

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Bokkom wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
I’m not special, everyone can see your nonsense for what it is.
There you go, speaking on behalf of "everyone", again.
You are indeed special.,

Tell us more about the wonderful CCP.
So the Opium Wars were waged against the CCP?

When I look for news about wearing masks it’s certainly the Opium wars I use as my touchstone....
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fishfoodie wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:An interesting study now showing only 13% of adults want to return to the Old Normal post COVID-19. In the meanwhile people have discovered that they have found family life, a more balanced life and flexible working. You know, something closer to what the Nordic countries have enjoyed in their economies in recent years. The study was taken by a nursery provider so probably leans towards families.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... old-normal

<Snip>
I've seen a few articles too about families with kids with special needs, noting how they're thriving in the new reality of families spending more time together, & being more involved in their children's education; & where the Education systems have been forced to enable this, & provide plans & materials.

It'd be nice if there were some winners in this.
I am seeing exactly the opposite, but then that may depend on the type of support the child needs. If the needs are complex and ‘more severe’ and where therapy’s are required on a daily basis the lack of this critical requirement is putting emotional and physical development back years in some cases.
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Nolanator wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Cheers, Gav. Interesting read.
Enough to make me buy some masks, but they are a pain in the ass if you wear glasses.
I actually got some masks a few days ago, and wore one in Sainsbury's earlier after reading that.
Feel like a bit of a twat when no-one else is, but I think I'll manage with the dip in street cred.
I'm a glasses wearer and the cloth masks really steam up but I've been doing some NHS volunteering and the surgical type masks they have don't steam at all so trying to source some of them.

I also feel like a twat wearing masks in supermarkets but I think to myself I'm the not twat here. Masks are a tiny tiny discomfort and inconvenient but what's the worst that happens? I look a bit stupid and am very minorly inconvenienced. And what's the best? A few droplets are caught and therefore if I carry covid it's less dangerous for others.

People not wearing masks are selfish. It's a tiny sacrifice for a potentially big gain. And even the selfishness is stupid less covid more freedom. More masks less covid.
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bimboman wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Majestic whataboutery on display here :lol:

Situation normal, nothing to see here. Reasonable point made, Anglo’s are arrogant and generally ignorant when it comes to other cultures. Defense springs to action... feathers flying everywhere. Looks like a guilt response to me, point carried, case proven :thumbup:

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I like haggis wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Nolanator wrote:Cheers, Gav. Interesting read.
Enough to make me buy some masks, but they are a pain in the ass if you wear glasses.
I actually got some masks a few days ago, and wore one in Sainsbury's earlier after reading that.
Feel like a bit of a twat when no-one else is, but I think I'll manage with the dip in street cred.
I'm a glasses wearer and the cloth masks really steam up but I've been doing some NHS volunteering and the surgical type masks they have don't steam at all so trying to source some of them.

I also feel like a twat wearing masks in supermarkets but I think to myself I'm the not twat here. Masks are a tiny tiny discomfort and inconvenient but what's the worst that happens? I look a bit stupid and am very minorly inconvenienced. And what's the best? A few droplets are caught and therefore if I carry covid it's less dangerous for others.

People not wearing masks are selfish. It's a tiny sacrifice for a potentially big gain. And even the selfishness is stupid less covid more freedom. More masks less covid.
What is the measured effect of a mask on a person who has recovered from Covid.
For that person, and for others ?
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Another positive news day in sunny QLD! Our Premier Anastacia Palaszczuk is a legend, and her leadership during this entire ordeal has been first class!

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shaggy wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:An interesting study now showing only 13% of adults want to return to the Old Normal post COVID-19. In the meanwhile people have discovered that they have found family life, a more balanced life and flexible working. You know, something closer to what the Nordic countries have enjoyed in their economies in recent years. The study was taken by a nursery provider so probably leans towards families.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... old-normal

<Snip>
I've seen a few articles too about families with kids with special needs, noting how they're thriving in the new reality of families spending more time together, & being more involved in their children's education; & where the Education systems have been forced to enable this, & provide plans & materials.

It'd be nice if there were some winners in this.
I am seeing exactly the opposite, but then that may depend on the type of support the child needs. If the needs are complex and ‘more severe’ and where therapy’s are required on a daily basis the lack of this critical requirement is putting emotional and physical development back years in some cases.
Yeah; that is of course the issue; how severe is the requirement, & how willing & able is the parent to step into the gap. :((

In a way it's the same for every kid out of school. How engaged are their parent(s); & how able are they to fill the gap in providing for their child.
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Parents may well be willing, not always the case though, however the word able is the key factor here. Occupational, speech or physio therapy is not something that can be successfully delegated to a non-trainer person. Anxiety is likely to be the biggest issue for many in the special needs sector, going back to school will be a major issue where their needs are often compounded by vulnerabilities that need isolating.
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UK: 918 COVID deaths in the past week. :(
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Insane_Homer wrote:UK: 918 COVID deaths in the past week. :(
7 times lower than Mid-April figures / Bimbot’s Message
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