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Singapore, October 20

Researchers in Singapore have developed a breath test to detect Covid-19 within a minute. The authorities are working on a roadmap for the third phase of easing of safety measures in the country.


A person would have to blow into a disposable mouthpiece connected to a “high-precision breath sampler”, according to the National University of Singapore researchers. The test, which detects Volatile Organic Compounds (VOC) in a person’s breath, achieved more than 90 per cent accuracy in a clinical trial involving 180 patients.

The exhaled breath is then collected and fed into a mass spectrometer for measurement. A machine learning software subsequently analyses the VOC profile and generates the result in less than a minute. — PTI
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Define 90% accuracy?

Biggest issue would be false positives but if that means 10% of positives get through while no negatives get inconvenienced, that would still be really helpful in conjunction with other measures.
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CM11 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:52 am Define 90% accuracy?

Biggest issue would be false positives but if that means 10% of positives get through while no negatives get inconvenienced, that would still be really helpful in conjunction with other measures.
That or for high infection zones in Europe, you can immediately quarantine and contact trace the positive results and then proceed with the remaining negatives to the antibody tests just for accuracy and certainty.
1 you immediately quarantine those that pose most risk and
2 you still perform the regular check that takes time, but you reduce the overall testing which can speed up the existing process and with the reduced volume improve turnaround times overall.

Definitely has positives.
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Clogs wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:58 am
CM11 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:52 am Define 90% accuracy?

Biggest issue would be false positives but if that means 10% of positives get through while no negatives get inconvenienced, that would still be really helpful in conjunction with other measures.
That or for high infection zones in Europe, you can immediately quarantine and contact trace the positive results and then proceed with the remaining negatives to the antibody tests just for accuracy and certainty.
1 you immediately quarantine those that pose most risk and
2 you still perform the regular check that takes time, but you reduce the overall testing which can speed up the existing process and with the reduced volume improve turnaround times overall.

Definitely has positives.
I was thinking serial testing but yeah, that makes sense.
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Interesting: studies conducted in the UK and the US would indicate that death rates have dropped 20% roughly.

Hypothesis are these numbers are driven by better care (Doctors now have well established routines to deal with patients, they identify better those at risk of developing a severe form of the disease), hospitals not being saturated, and masks wearing.
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TheFrog wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:29 pm Interesting: studies conducted in the UK and the US would indicate that death rates have dropped 20% roughly.

Hypothesis are these numbers are driven by better care (Doctors now have well established routines to deal with patients, they identify better those at risk of developing a severe form of the disease), hospitals not being saturated, and masks wearing.
Well maybe in Bethesda... I go cycling on the Rock Creek trail, which is just about 6 feet wide in most places, which would be good if everyone keeps single-file to the edge and wear masks. But they don't. I would estimate only 25% of walkers wear masks, and very few runners do (and they aspirate the most). And this isn't exactly a Trump heartland. Madness, I just don't get it - what can't people understand here, that they do everywhere else in the world?
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Whatever wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:43 pm
TheFrog wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:29 pm Interesting: studies conducted in the UK and the US would indicate that death rates have dropped 20% roughly.

Hypothesis are these numbers are driven by better care (Doctors now have well established routines to deal with patients, they identify better those at risk of developing a severe form of the disease), hospitals not being saturated, and masks wearing.
Well maybe in Bethesda... I go cycling on the Rock Creek trail, which is just about 6 feet wide in most places, which would be good if everyone keeps single-file to the edge and wear masks. But they don't. I would estimate only 25% of walkers wear masks, and very few runners do (and they aspirate the most). And this isn't exactly a Trump heartland. Madness, I just don't get it - what can't people understand here, that they do everywhere else in the world?

Runners in the UK are specifically not to wear masks.
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Yeah no runners wear masks here and it isn't even part of a narrative now. Certainly in the early days people were pissed off with runners breathing but that has subsided
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EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:41 pm Yeah no runners wear masks here and it isn't even part of a narrative now. Certainly in the early days people were pissed off with runners breathing but that has subsided
Well I run when I am injury-free, cycle when I'm not. There is nothing I enjoy more in these Covid times than a panting, sweating, maskless runner passing just 2 feet away from me. Might as well just spit in my face. If indeed the UK actually did say runners don't have to wear masks then that would really be diagnostic of their failure. Fortunately I don't believe that particular poster.
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New record for confirmed infections in a single day

490,059

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And I fear the worst is yet to come
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Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:13 am New record for confirmed infections in a single day

490,059

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And I fear the worst is yet to come
Might be horrible here too in a couple of weeks. They let Fillipino ship works fly in without mandatory quarantine who then infected a local electrical engineer who then infected others.

Then they decided to do this in the same city:
Thousands of self-confessed nerds packed into Auckland’s ASB Showgrounds on Saturday, for the Armageddon Expo – the largest event in New Zealand since before the lockdowns.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/3 ... o-auckland
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Whatever wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:21 am
EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:41 pm Yeah no runners wear masks here and it isn't even part of a narrative now. Certainly in the early days people were pissed off with runners breathing but that has subsided
Well I run when I am injury-free, cycle when I'm not. There is nothing I enjoy more in these Covid times than a panting, sweating, maskless runner passing just 2 feet away from me. Might as well just spit in my face. If indeed the UK actually did say runners don't have to wear masks then that would really be diagnostic of their failure. Fortunately I don't believe that particular poster.


All advice is to remove race covering when exercising for safety of oxygen supply, this goes for indoor gyms as well as outside. We also don’t have a wear mask outside rule.


You’d be better off believing my posts as they’re accurate.
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Here in Melbourne, we have extraordinary talent strict measures. But we don’t need to wear a mask when running.
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Farva wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:57 am Here in Melbourne, we have extraordinary talent strict measures. But we don’t need to wear a mask when running.
Nor when walking and drinking coffee.
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bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 am
Whatever wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:21 am
EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:41 pm Yeah no runners wear masks here and it isn't even part of a narrative now. Certainly in the early days people were pissed off with runners breathing but that has subsided
Well I run when I am injury-free, cycle when I'm not. There is nothing I enjoy more in these Covid times than a panting, sweating, maskless runner passing just 2 feet away from me. Might as well just spit in my face. If indeed the UK actually did say runners don't have to wear masks then that would really be diagnostic of their failure. Fortunately I don't believe that particular poster.


All advice is to remove race covering when exercising
How very Hellenic.

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I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden. :thumbup:
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goeagles wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:36 am
YOYO wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:So have the clusterfuck Administration, & their fluffers explained, why it is that of all the Countries in the world with COVID-19 outbreak; no-one else considers the WHO's advice to have been such a problem ?

Or even how it is that some of them; like south Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc; managed to control their outbreaks so much better than the US ?

It's almost as if individual nation states need to have their own health departments, & make their own decisions, within a framework of the WHO surveillance.
Well Trump axed the U.S’s pandemic response team in 2018 as part of a cost saving exercise. What a mong move.
And yet despite that, despite our awful health care system (according to many posters here), despite Trump being the worst Western leader on this (also according to many posters here) and despite everything else, we have deaths per capita more than twice as low as the UK, lower than Ireland and 3-5 times lower than the major Latin nations. And all that despite having an initial outbreak around the same time as Italy. Cognitive dissonance abounds.
That didn't age well did it
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bimboman wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:48 pm
Whatever wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:43 pm
TheFrog wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:29 pm Interesting: studies conducted in the UK and the US would indicate that death rates have dropped 20% roughly.

Hypothesis are these numbers are driven by better care (Doctors now have well established routines to deal with patients, they identify better those at risk of developing a severe form of the disease), hospitals not being saturated, and masks wearing.
Well maybe in Bethesda... I go cycling on the Rock Creek trail, which is just about 6 feet wide in most places, which would be good if everyone keeps single-file to the edge and wear masks. But they don't. I would estimate only 25% of walkers wear masks, and very few runners do (and they aspirate the most). And this isn't exactly a Trump heartland. Madness, I just don't get it - what can't people understand here, that they do everywhere else in the world?

Runners in the UK are specifically not to wear masks.
I didnt think you had to wear a mask when you're just walking around outside.
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Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden. :thumbup:


You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....
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bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden. :thumbup:


You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....
He's a biophysicist. Hey, I thought you were against scientists from other fields having opinions about epidemiology?
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6.Jones wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:15 am
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden. :thumbup:


You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....
He's a biophysicist. Hey, I thought you were against scientists from other fields having opinions about epidemiology?

We’re being run by cautious mathematicians here.
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bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden. :thumbup:


You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....
Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.
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Actually I stand corrected. He's a chemist.
And I see no problem with the world being run by mathematicians. Where do I get my slide rule?
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ovalball wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden. :thumbup:


You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....
Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.

Did he? Burn him.

I know that. Do you think Sage only has epidemiologists on it?
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ovalball wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden. :thumbup:


You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....
Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.
He should still be allowed to speak. That kind of academic posturing is disgraceful.
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6.Jones wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:25 am
ovalball wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden. :thumbup:


You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....
Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.
He should still be allowed to speak. That kind of academic posturing is disgraceful.
He is allowed to speak - doesn't mean they have to afford him a prestigious platform.
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ovalball wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:28 am
6.Jones wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:25 am
ovalball wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden. :thumbup:


You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....
Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.
He should still be allowed to speak. That kind of academic posturing is disgraceful.
He is allowed to speak - doesn't mean they have to afford him a prestigious platform.
So you reckon he shouldn't be allowed a prestigious platform to speak in the area for which he won a Nobel Prize because he has unfashionable views in relation to a different area of science. Interesting view.

By the way he was offered the key note. That offer was later withdrawn because colleagues complained.
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ovalball wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:28 am
6.Jones wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:25 am
ovalball wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden. :thumbup:


You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....
Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.
He should still be allowed to speak. That kind of academic posturing is disgraceful.
He is allowed to speak - doesn't mean they have to afford him a prestigious platform.
I see. I thought he was banned.
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ovalball wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:28 am
6.Jones wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:25 am
ovalball wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden. :thumbup:


You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....
Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.
He should still be allowed to speak. That kind of academic posturing is disgraceful.
He is allowed to speak - doesn't mean they have to afford him a prestigious platform.
But who should approve who speaks or not? He's a Nobel prize winner, he isn't a crank. He should be afforded a platform and if necessary challenged.

If only mainstream thoughts were accepted, the ideas of Darwin, Alfred Wegner, Mendel, Tesla etc would never be accepted.
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eldanielfire wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:37 pm
ovalball wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:28 am
6.Jones wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:25 am
ovalball wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am



You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....
Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.
He should still be allowed to speak. That kind of academic posturing is disgraceful.
He is allowed to speak - doesn't mean they have to afford him a prestigious platform.
But who should approve who speaks or not? He's a Nobel prize winner, he isn't a crank. He should be afforded a platform and if necessary challenged.

If only mainstream thoughts were accepted, the ideas of Darwin, Alfred Wegner, Mendel, Tesla etc would never be accepted.


Zing.
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It is intetesting how thia notion of scientific consensus seems to be spreading (see below) and then used as a way to shut people out.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... X/fulltext
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Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:58 pm It is intetesting how thia notion of scientific consensus seems to be spreading (see below) and then used as a way to shut people out.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... X/fulltext
The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 is several-fold higher than that of seasonal influenza,2 and infection can lead to persisting illness, including in young, previously healthy people (ie, long COVID).3
The latest WHO paper state a totally different IFR. Long covid or “viral fatigue “ as it’s always been known.
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Muttonbirds wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:42 am
Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:13 am New record for confirmed infections in a single day

490,059

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And I fear the worst is yet to come
Might be horrible here too in a couple of weeks. They let Fillipino ship works fly in without mandatory quarantine who then infected a local electrical engineer who then infected others.

Then they decided to do this in the same city:
Thousands of self-confessed nerds packed into Auckland’s ASB Showgrounds on Saturday, for the Armageddon Expo – the largest event in New Zealand since before the lockdowns.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/3 ... o-auckland
Not quite right - they went into quarantine until they could be placed in the boat. The worker was in PPE gear but obviously wasn't careful enough.

Armageddon seemed like a clusterf### - I think they needed to limit numbers so if anyone got into that with the virus, we could be in a spot of bother alright.
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Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:02 pm
Muttonbirds wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:42 am
Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:13 am New record for confirmed infections in a single day

490,059

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And I fear the worst is yet to come
Might be horrible here too in a couple of weeks. They let Fillipino ship works fly in without mandatory quarantine who then infected a local electrical engineer who then infected others.

Then they decided to do this in the same city:
Thousands of self-confessed nerds packed into Auckland’s ASB Showgrounds on Saturday, for the Armageddon Expo – the largest event in New Zealand since before the lockdowns.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/3 ... o-auckland
Not quite right - they went into quarantine until they could be placed in the boat. The worker was in PPE gear but obviously wasn't careful enough.

Armageddon seemed like a clusterf### - I think they needed to limit numbers so if anyone got into that with the virus, we could be in a spot of bother alright.
Sorry, meant to say mandatory 14 day quarantine. If the ship owner/manager requires Phillipino crew on 13 October they should have arrive in the country 14 days prior and be quarantined like everyone else.

It's not good enough to say they are going straight to their boat because the boat is not a secure environment. As you point out, leaving proper PPE and safety measures to a 27 year old electrical engineer is dangerous. He's not a medical professional, nor is he trained border staff.

And if anyone thinks ship crew straight from the Phillipines give a shit about our Covid response, they can think again.
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bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:44 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:37 pmBut who should approve who speaks or not? He's a Nobel prize winner, he isn't a crank. He should be afforded a platform and if necessary challenged.

If only mainstream thoughts were accepted, the ideas of Darwin, Alfred Wegner, Mendel, Tesla etc would never be accepted.


Zing.
Levitt's Covid reckons are slightly more accurate than yours, so there's something.
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The blonde bumble-twat clearly has no idea what he's doing. UK to have a Claytons lockdown for a month which does what exactly?

Cases/deaths rising faster than worst predictions, etc, etc.

My advice would be to lockdown properly to level 4, allow only UK citizens to enter and they have to mandatory quarantine for 14 days in a secure facility. No-one goes to work unless essential. Stay in your family bubbles. You'll be fine all winter as long as you keep the 14 day quarantine in place.

It works.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/corona ... HQ7YCUGC4/
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So England into Tier 4 lockdown for 4 weeks from Thursday. According to leaks from No10
I’ve been told that all of England is into tier four. It will mean that all pubs and restaurants have to close. All shops will close apart from non-essential retail, but as I understand it supermarkets will still be able to sell nonessential goods. There will be no mixing inside homes. In terms of what can continue: schools and universities and colleges all will remain open. Courts will remain open and parliament will remain open.

The idea would be that while we all go into tier 4 for a period of a few weeks. Then we come out of it back into other [existing] tiering system. So different parts of the country will be released from this tier 4 at different periods depending on where they are with the virus.
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