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DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:14 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:11 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:09 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:01 pm Shocking from Martin, eh, DAC? It's a pity our press and politicians are so anti UK:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... 7?mode=amp
Why did the article miss out the bit where said "This vaccine doesn't belong to the EU, it is a vaccine made in the EU"

Or words to that effect?
:roll: :lol:
I watched the radio broadcast on twitter.
Irish PM says EU vaccine export ban would be 'a very retrograde step' and 'if we start that we're in trouble'. Adds he made it 'very clear' to other leaders he's against it. 'They're not EU vaccines. These are vaccines paid for by other countries that are manufactured in Europe.'
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eldanielfire wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:11 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:01 pm Shocking from Martin, eh, DAC? It's a pity our press and politicians are so anti UK:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... 7?mode=amp
The Irish government have been the voice of reason in the EU over vaccines to be fair. But they, like me, want both a thriving EU and UK.
Very few people in the UK don't want the EU to thrive. The reverse, however, isn't true.
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eldanielfire wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:10 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:32 pm
i couldn't give a shit what remainers say. We have left and we need to get on with it. That includes trying to get on with the EU who want us dead.
Out of all the anti-EU posters on here, that is by far the most extreme take from any :shock:
I think there is a conspiracy theory thread for this sort of stuff.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:11 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:09 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:01 pm Shocking from Martin, eh, DAC? It's a pity our press and politicians are so anti UK:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... 7?mode=amp
Why did the article miss out the bit where said "This vaccine doesn't belong to the EU, it is a vaccine made in the EU"

Or words to that effect?
:roll: :lol:
So I'll ask you again, why did the paper leave that very important bit out?
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DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:15 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:14 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:11 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:09 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:01 pm Shocking from Martin, eh, DAC? It's a pity our press and politicians are so anti UK:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... 7?mode=amp
Why did the article miss out the bit where said "This vaccine doesn't belong to the EU, it is a vaccine made in the EU"

Or words to that effect?
:roll: :lol:
I watched the radio broadcast on twitter.
Irish PM says EU vaccine export ban would be 'a very retrograde step' and 'if we start that we're in trouble'. Adds he made it 'very clear' to other leaders he's against it. 'They're not EU vaccines. These are vaccines paid for by other countries that are manufactured in Europe.'
Because it's a short article and they don't always include every word?

Ffs, you think an article highlighting Martin's opposition is deliberately leaving out a phrase to suit their own bias? :roll:
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:21 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:15 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:14 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:11 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:09 pm

Why did the article miss out the bit where said "This vaccine doesn't belong to the EU, it is a vaccine made in the EU"

Or words to that effect?
:roll: :lol:
I watched the radio broadcast on twitter.
Irish PM says EU vaccine export ban would be 'a very retrograde step' and 'if we start that we're in trouble'. Adds he made it 'very clear' to other leaders he's against it. 'They're not EU vaccines. These are vaccines paid for by other countries that are manufactured in Europe.'
Because it's a short article and they don't always include every word?

Ffs, you think an article highlighting Martin's opposition is deliberately leaving out a phrase to suit their own bias? :roll:
It was the most important thing he said.
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In your view.

However our media assume some intelligence of the reader and don't always add superfluous comments.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:25 pm In your view.

However our media assume some intelligence of the reader and don't always add superfluous comments.
:roll:
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:25 pm In your view.

However our media assume some intelligence of the reader and don't always add superfluous comments.
:lol: :lol:

In all seriousness, good to see him speaking sense.
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As arguments worsen over the UK's demand for vaccines manufactured in Europe to be delivered, an EU official told Reuters:

"The Brits are insisting that the Halix plant in the Netherlands must deliver the drug substance produced there to them. That doesn't work."
An indication of the poor quality of EU officials to use the language of the more idiotic Irish on Planet Rugby.
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inactionman wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:40 pm I'm not sure that's how everyone in the EU thinks, it's usually unhelpful to assume the worst of intentions on someone else part.

Yes, they've not ended up in a very good contractual position - the merits or otherwise of VDL may or may not have contributed to this, but that's neither here nor there at this point - and they're trying to find a way out of it without huge numbers of deaths and years of lockdown. I can understand the desperation and exasperation, and why some pretty nuclear options are being considered. Maintaining the case for a more sensible course of action has got to be the way forward.

On that note, I'm still a bit surprised by the constant kicking of AZ, even by swarm standards it's pretty dull. I'll be forever grateful that a company has opted to put global health before profit, and yet it just gets kicked for 'poor communication' as if that's the central remit of a pharma company or as if that's not the result of others constantly talking crap.
Agree 100% they are the only company that are doing this on a cost basis. Nobody in the UK is giving them a kicking. They seem to be the EU public enemy number 1.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:37 pm
As arguments worsen over the UK's demand for vaccines manufactured in Europe to be delivered, an EU official told Reuters:

"The Brits are insisting that the Halix plant in the Netherlands must deliver the drug substance produced there to them. That doesn't work."
An indication of the poor quality of EU officials to use the language of the more idiotic Irish on Planet Rugby.
According to AZ executives, none of their vaccines have been exported to UK from their EU plant, apart from a tiny batch for quality control purposes. There is no plan to send any more either. EU is supposed to get its AZ vaccine from EU and US plants.


During a briefing, executive vice president at AstraZeneca, Ruud Dobber, said the UK did not receive any of its AstraZeneca vaccines or components from the EU.

Fellow executive vice president Mene Pangalos then clarified that one "tiny" batch which "hasn't been approved yet" had been sent to the UK from Halix, a plant in the Netherlands that has an agreement with AstraZeneca to manufacture the vaccine.

Imported batches of vaccine have to be tested on arrival.

Halix was one of the University of Oxford's original partners for manufacturing the vaccine, Reuters reported.

The UK is mostly self-sufficient when it comes to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine - and has ordered 100 million doses of the jab.

The EU is mainly being supplied with the AZ vaccine by the US and by a site in Belgium, the company confirmed.
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terryfinch wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:44 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:37 pm
As arguments worsen over the UK's demand for vaccines manufactured in Europe to be delivered, an EU official told Reuters:

"The Brits are insisting that the Halix plant in the Netherlands must deliver the drug substance produced there to them. That doesn't work."
An indication of the poor quality of EU officials to use the language of the more idiotic Irish on Planet Rugby.
According to AZ executives, none of their vaccines have been exported to UK from their EU plant, apart from a tiny batch for quality control purposes. There is no plan to send any more either. EU is supposed to get its AZ vaccine from EU and US plants.


During a briefing, executive vice president at AstraZeneca, Ruud Dobber, said the UK did not receive any of its AstraZeneca vaccines or components from the EU.

Fellow executive vice president Mene Pangalos then clarified that one "tiny" batch which "hasn't been approved yet" had been sent to the UK from Halix, a plant in the Netherlands that has an agreement with AstraZeneca to manufacture the vaccine.

Imported batches of vaccine have to be tested on arrival.

Halix was one of the University of Oxford's original partners for manufacturing the vaccine, Reuters reported.

The UK is mostly self-sufficient when it comes to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine - and has ordered 100 million doses of the jab.

The EU is mainly being supplied with the AZ vaccine by the US and by a site in Belgium, the company confirmed.


Good post,

The quite obvious dishonest presentation from the EU is really quite a thing isn’t it.
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Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
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bimboman wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm
terryfinch wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:44 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:37 pm
As arguments worsen over the UK's demand for vaccines manufactured in Europe to be delivered, an EU official told Reuters:

"The Brits are insisting that the Halix plant in the Netherlands must deliver the drug substance produced there to them. That doesn't work."
An indication of the poor quality of EU officials to use the language of the more idiotic Irish on Planet Rugby.
According to AZ executives, none of their vaccines have been exported to UK from their EU plant, apart from a tiny batch for quality control purposes. There is no plan to send any more either. EU is supposed to get its AZ vaccine from EU and US plants.


During a briefing, executive vice president at AstraZeneca, Ruud Dobber, said the UK did not receive any of its AstraZeneca vaccines or components from the EU.

Fellow executive vice president Mene Pangalos then clarified that one "tiny" batch which "hasn't been approved yet" had been sent to the UK from Halix, a plant in the Netherlands that has an agreement with AstraZeneca to manufacture the vaccine.

Imported batches of vaccine have to be tested on arrival.

Halix was one of the University of Oxford's original partners for manufacturing the vaccine, Reuters reported.

The UK is mostly self-sufficient when it comes to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine - and has ordered 100 million doses of the jab.

The EU is mainly being supplied with the AZ vaccine by the US and by a site in Belgium, the company confirmed.


Good post,

The quite obvious dishonest presentation from the EU is really quite a thing isn’t it.
I've met Ruud and Mene a couple of times. Genuine and honest, they wouldn't say if they didn't mean it and the supply chain will have enough ER's to back everything up
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
Should be irrelevant. They ordered them from a company, not a country.

As an aside, it shouldn’t be forgotten that Oxford Uni still own the IPR and have given royalty free licences to others to produce vaccines. I’d assume that there may be some conditions attached to such licences.
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ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:17 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
Should be irrelevant. They ordered them from a company, not a country.

As an aside, it shouldn’t be forgotten that Oxford Uni still own the IPR and have given royalty free licences to others to produce vaccines. I’d assume that there may be some conditions attached to such licences.
It's specified in the contract.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
I don't think that is entirely true - although I know there is much debate...

I think this tweet explains the different interpretation, and why the UK is only mentioned in S5.4 of the contract. https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/statu ... 7572280321
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bimboman wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm
terryfinch wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:44 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:37 pm
As arguments worsen over the UK's demand for vaccines manufactured in Europe to be delivered, an EU official told Reuters:

"The Brits are insisting that the Halix plant in the Netherlands must deliver the drug substance produced there to them. That doesn't work."
An indication of the poor quality of EU officials to use the language of the more idiotic Irish on Planet Rugby.
According to AZ executives, none of their vaccines have been exported to UK from their EU plant, apart from a tiny batch for quality control purposes. There is no plan to send any more either. EU is supposed to get its AZ vaccine from EU and US plants.


During a briefing, executive vice president at AstraZeneca, Ruud Dobber, said the UK did not receive any of its AstraZeneca vaccines or components from the EU.

Fellow executive vice president Mene Pangalos then clarified that one "tiny" batch which "hasn't been approved yet" had been sent to the UK from Halix, a plant in the Netherlands that has an agreement with AstraZeneca to manufacture the vaccine.

Imported batches of vaccine have to be tested on arrival.

Halix was one of the University of Oxford's original partners for manufacturing the vaccine, Reuters reported.

The UK is mostly self-sufficient when it comes to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine - and has ordered 100 million doses of the jab.

The EU is mainly being supplied with the AZ vaccine by the US and by a site in Belgium, the company confirmed.


Good post,

The quite obvious dishonest presentation from the EU is really quite a thing isn’t it.
You can imagine the meeting in Brussels in January:

Useless Vaccine EU person:

"Madam President, you know you insisted that the EU Commission lead the EU's crucial Covid vaccination effort to show what a great thing the EU is after it has taken so many knocks recently? Well, I have some bad news. It appears that we have ordered too little vaccine doses, we ordered from the wrong suppliers (bloody French!) and we ordered later than other countries so we will have to wait for them to get their vaccines first as our contracts are in fact meaningless. The result is that your promise to vaccinate all EU citizens by the Summer is impossible. In fact we will probably experience a third wave of Covid infections and deaths. The EU Commission will be blamed."

"Even worse news, less than 2 weeks after leaving the EU the UK are racing ahead with a very successful vaccine effort. It appears they ordered loads of vaccine doses, they picked the right suppliers (bloody British and their clever scientists and efficient business people) and ordered first with clever contracts. This means that our promise to ourselves to make sure the British were never able to make a success of Brexit has failed after 2 weeks. Even Tony Blair is now saying the EU are a bunch of tossers and is glad the UK left the EU!!!"

"What shall we do?"

EU President VDL:

"We have to distract from our own disastrous performance AND wreck the British vaccine effort. We have no choice or our citizens will die in their hundreds of thousands and, more importantly, we'll be out of our jobs when the citizens of EU realise what a clusterfu*ck the EU really is. I know, let's blame the UK company for our vaccine shortage, discredit its vaccine to stop UK citizens taking the vaccines and confuse our citizens so they don't think it's our fault! Brilliant!"
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terryfinch wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:20 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm
terryfinch wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:44 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:37 pm
As arguments worsen over the UK's demand for vaccines manufactured in Europe to be delivered, an EU official told Reuters:

"The Brits are insisting that the Halix plant in the Netherlands must deliver the drug substance produced there to them. That doesn't work."
An indication of the poor quality of EU officials to use the language of the more idiotic Irish on Planet Rugby.
According to AZ executives, none of their vaccines have been exported to UK from their EU plant, apart from a tiny batch for quality control purposes. There is no plan to send any more either. EU is supposed to get its AZ vaccine from EU and US plants.


During a briefing, executive vice president at AstraZeneca, Ruud Dobber, said the UK did not receive any of its AstraZeneca vaccines or components from the EU.

Fellow executive vice president Mene Pangalos then clarified that one "tiny" batch which "hasn't been approved yet" had been sent to the UK from Halix, a plant in the Netherlands that has an agreement with AstraZeneca to manufacture the vaccine.

Imported batches of vaccine have to be tested on arrival.

Halix was one of the University of Oxford's original partners for manufacturing the vaccine, Reuters reported.

The UK is mostly self-sufficient when it comes to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine - and has ordered 100 million doses of the jab.

The EU is mainly being supplied with the AZ vaccine by the US and by a site in Belgium, the company confirmed.


Good post,

The quite obvious dishonest presentation from the EU is really quite a thing isn’t it.
You can imagine the meeting in Brussels in January:

Useless Vaccine EU person:

"Madam President, you know you insisted that the EU Commission lead the EU's crucial Covid vaccination effort to show what a great thing the EU is after it has taken so many knocks recently? Well, I have some bad news. It appears that we have ordered too little vaccine doses, we ordered from the wrong suppliers (bloody French!) and we ordered later than other countries so we will have to wait for them to get their vaccines first as our contracts are in fact meaningless. The result is that your promise to vaccinate all EU citizens by the Summer is impossible. In fact we will probably experience a third wave of Covid infections and deaths. The EU Commission will be blamed."

"Even worse news, less than 2 weeks after leaving the EU the UK are racing ahead with a very successful vaccine effort. It appears they ordered loads of vaccine doses, they picked the right suppliers (bloody British and their clever scientists and efficient business people) and ordered first with clever contracts. This means that our promise to ourselves to make sure the British were never able to make a success of Brexit has failed after 2 weeks. Even Tony Blair is now saying the EU are a bunch of tossers and is glad the UK left the EU!!!"

"What shall we do?"

EU President VDL:

"We have to distract from our own disastrous performance AND wreck the British vaccine effort. We have no choice or our citizens will die in their hundreds of thousands and, more importantly, we'll be out of our jobs when the citizens of EU realise what a clusterfu*ck the EU really is. I know, let's blame the UK company for our vaccine shortage, discredit its vaccine to stop UK citizens taking the vaccines and confuse our citizens so they don't think it's our fault! Brilliant!"
:lol:
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Tommy Brown wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:18 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
I don't think that is entirely true - although I know there is much debate...

I think this tweet explains the different interpretation, and why the UK is only mentioned in S5.4 of the contract. https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/statu ... 7572280321
I'm not going to get into an analysis of the contract, that's up to the courts, but just to be clear, a quick glance at that link mentions 'UK stock'. Now either countries do have claim to stock manufactured by a private company in their country or they don't. It can't be both depending on where your bias lies.

I don't really care where the vaccine comes from if AZ were to fulfill their contract. My understanding, although new evidence may have debunked this, though was that the EU part funded the UK plants that were mentioned in the contract?
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:24 pm
Tommy Brown wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:18 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
I don't think that is entirely true - although I know there is much debate...

I think this tweet explains the different interpretation, and why the UK is only mentioned in S5.4 of the contract. https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/statu ... 7572280321
I'm not going to get into an analysis of the contract, that's up to the courts, but just to be clear, a quick glance at that link mentions 'UK stock'. Now either countries do have claim to stock manufactured by a private company in their country or they don't. It can't be both depending on where your bias lies.

I don't really care where the vaccine comes from if AZ were to fulfill their contract. My understanding, although new evidence may have debunked this, though was that the EU part funded the UK plants that were mentioned in the contract?
The EU isn't taking them to court.
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DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:24 pm
Tommy Brown wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:18 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
I don't think that is entirely true - although I know there is much debate...

I think this tweet explains the different interpretation, and why the UK is only mentioned in S5.4 of the contract. https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/statu ... 7572280321
I'm not going to get into an analysis of the contract, that's up to the courts, but just to be clear, a quick glance at that link mentions 'UK stock'. Now either countries do have claim to stock manufactured by a private company in their country or they don't. It can't be both depending on where your bias lies.

I don't really care where the vaccine comes from if AZ were to fulfill their contract. My understanding, although new evidence may have debunked this, though was that the EU part funded the UK plants that were mentioned in the contract?
The EU isn't taking them to court.
France are.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:24 pm
Tommy Brown wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:18 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
I don't think that is entirely true - although I know there is much debate...

I think this tweet explains the different interpretation, and why the UK is only mentioned in S5.4 of the contract. https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/statu ... 7572280321
I'm not going to get into an analysis of the contract, that's up to the courts, but just to be clear, a quick glance at that link mentions 'UK stock'. Now either countries do have claim to stock manufactured by a private company in their country or they don't. It can't be both depending on where your bias lies.

I don't really care where the vaccine comes from if AZ were to fulfill their contract. My understanding, although new evidence may have debunked this, though was that the EU part funded the UK plants that were mentioned in the contract?
The EU isn't taking them to court.
France are.
Are you sure?
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:24 pm
Tommy Brown wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:18 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
I don't think that is entirely true - although I know there is much debate...

I think this tweet explains the different interpretation, and why the UK is only mentioned in S5.4 of the contract. https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/statu ... 7572280321
I'm not going to get into an analysis of the contract, that's up to the courts, but just to be clear, a quick glance at that link mentions 'UK stock'. Now either countries do have claim to stock manufactured by a private company in their country or they don't. It can't be both depending on where your bias lies.

I don't really care where the vaccine comes from if AZ were to fulfill their contract. My understanding, although new evidence may have debunked this, though was that the EU part funded the UK plants that were mentioned in the contract?
The EU isn't taking them to court.
France are.
Surely they aren't that stupid? Oh, hold on...
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:24 pm
Tommy Brown wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:18 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
I don't think that is entirely true - although I know there is much debate...

I think this tweet explains the different interpretation, and why the UK is only mentioned in S5.4 of the contract. https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/statu ... 7572280321
I'm not going to get into an analysis of the contract, that's up to the courts, but just to be clear, a quick glance at that link mentions 'UK stock'. Now either countries do have claim to stock manufactured by a private company in their country or they don't. It can't be both depending on where your bias lies.

I don't really care where the vaccine comes from if AZ were to fulfill their contract. My understanding, although new evidence may have debunked this, though was that the EU part funded the UK plants that were mentioned in the contract?
The EU isn't taking them to court.
France are.
I didn't think France had a contract with AZ, I thought it was the EU who did?
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DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:27 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:24 pm
Tommy Brown wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:18 pm

I don't think that is entirely true - although I know there is much debate...

I think this tweet explains the different interpretation, and why the UK is only mentioned in S5.4 of the contract. https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/statu ... 7572280321
I'm not going to get into an analysis of the contract, that's up to the courts, but just to be clear, a quick glance at that link mentions 'UK stock'. Now either countries do have claim to stock manufactured by a private company in their country or they don't. It can't be both depending on where your bias lies.

I don't really care where the vaccine comes from if AZ were to fulfill their contract. My understanding, although new evidence may have debunked this, though was that the EU part funded the UK plants that were mentioned in the contract?
The EU isn't taking them to court.
France are.
Are you sure?
It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:24 pm
Tommy Brown wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:18 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
I don't think that is entirely true - although I know there is much debate...

I think this tweet explains the different interpretation, and why the UK is only mentioned in S5.4 of the contract. https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/statu ... 7572280321
I'm not going to get into an analysis of the contract, that's up to the courts, but just to be clear, a quick glance at that link mentions 'UK stock'. Now either countries do have claim to stock manufactured by a private company in their country or they don't. It can't be both depending on where your bias lies.

I don't really care where the vaccine comes from if AZ were to fulfill their contract. My understanding, although new evidence may have debunked this, though was that the EU part funded the UK plants that were mentioned in the contract?
The EU isn't taking them to court.
France are.
France :lol:

Tell me what's their rule this week regarding the AZ vaccine
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A quick search shows only a recent 'suggestion' so maybe he overstepped with his statement.
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No one is taking AZ to court. The reason why? They don't have a leg to stand on.
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DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:34 pm No one is taking AZ to court. The reason why? They don't have a leg to stand on.
A much more likely reason is that it's pointless for the time being.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:24 pm
Tommy Brown wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:18 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:49 pm Actually the EU are meant to be getting our vaccines from the UK and EU.
I don't think that is entirely true - although I know there is much debate...

I think this tweet explains the different interpretation, and why the UK is only mentioned in S5.4 of the contract. https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/statu ... 7572280321
I'm not going to get into an analysis of the contract, that's up to the courts, but just to be clear, a quick glance at that link mentions 'UK stock'. Now either countries do have claim to stock manufactured by a private company in their country or they don't. It can't be both depending on where your bias lies.

I don't really care where the vaccine comes from if AZ were to fulfill their contract. My understanding, although new evidence may have debunked this, though was that the EU part funded the UK plants that were mentioned in the contract?
The EU isn't taking them to court.
France are.
That's bloody silly. A proper waste of money.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:27 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:24 pm

I'm not going to get into an analysis of the contract, that's up to the courts, but just to be clear, a quick glance at that link mentions 'UK stock'. Now either countries do have claim to stock manufactured by a private company in their country or they don't. It can't be both depending on where your bias lies.

I don't really care where the vaccine comes from if AZ were to fulfill their contract. My understanding, although new evidence may have debunked this, though was that the EU part funded the UK plants that were mentioned in the contract?
The EU isn't taking them to court.
France are.
Are you sure?
It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
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ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:27 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm

The EU isn't taking them to court.
France are.
Are you sure?
It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:27 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm

France are.
Is
Are you sure?
It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
I’m sure there’d be something, somewhere, on the net, if there was a legal challenge being taken.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:27 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm

France are.
Are you sure?
It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
EU playing their public like a fiddle
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ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:48 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:27 pm
Is
Are you sure?
It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
I’m sure there’d be something, somewhere, on the net, if there was a legal challenge being taken.
As I said, a search shows suggestions but the suggestions were recent (last Tues) , not before the contract was published.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:49 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:27 pm

Are you sure?
It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
EU playing their public like a fiddle
The fact you think you're capable of being objective on this matter is cute.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:27 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm

France are.
Are you sure?
It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
Their contract doesn't back up the EU claim to UK manufactured doses. It's why they are resorting to threats.
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ChipSpike wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:56 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:27 pm

Are you sure?
It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
Their contract doesn't back up the EU claim to UK manufactured doses. It's why they are resorting to threats.
I doubt very much that the EU cares where it comes from at this stage.

And the current argument is the UK wanting EU manufactured doses btw.
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