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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:52 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:49 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm

It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
EU playing their public like a fiddle
The fact you think you're capable of being objective on this matter is cute.
Two separate legal threats both just a lot of hot air. Thems the facts
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:01 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:52 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:49 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm

Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
EU playing their public like a fiddle
The fact you think you're capable of being objective on this matter is cute.
Two separate legal threats both just a lot of hot air. Thems the facts
As I've said before taking AZ to court will not fix anything in the short term as the case drags on and on. The EU probably will take them to court at some stage in the future for compensation.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:59 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:56 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm

It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
Their contract doesn't back up the EU claim to UK manufactured doses. It's why they are resorting to threats.
I doubt very much that the EU cares where it comes from at this stage.

And the current argument is the UK wanting EU manufactured doses btw.
But not for AZ doses.
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ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:11 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:59 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:56 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm

Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
Their contract doesn't back up the EU claim to UK manufactured doses. It's why they are resorting to threats.
I doubt very much that the EU cares where it comes from at this stage.

And the current argument is the UK wanting EU manufactured doses btw.
But not for AZ doses.
Yes for AZ doses.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:03 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:01 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:52 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:49 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm

This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
EU playing their public like a fiddle
The fact you think you're capable of being objective on this matter is cute.
Two separate legal threats both just a lot of hot air. Thems the facts
As I've said before taking AZ to court will not fix anything in the short term as the case drags on and on. The EU probably will take them to court at some stage in the future for compensation.
If they had any sort of case they could get an injunction against the company to prevent them supplying doses to other customers if that was likely to be in breach of the contract with the EU. They wouldn't need to ban exports - just take action to enforce the contracts.
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The UK cases are looking very steady. What's the false positive rate?
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases
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ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:13 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:03 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:01 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:52 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:49 pm
EU playing their public like a fiddle
The fact you think you're capable of being objective on this matter is cute.
Two separate legal threats both just a lot of hot air. Thems the facts
As I've said before taking AZ to court will not fix anything in the short term as the case drags on and on. The EU probably will take them to court at some stage in the future for compensation.
If they had any sort of case they could get an injunction against the company to prevent them supplying doses to other customers if that was likely to be in breach of the contract with the EU. They wouldn't need to ban exports - just take action to enforce the contracts.
This has been pointed out before, the fact that the EU is talking about Export bans is a sign of weakness in their legal case, compare and contrast with the UK

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 1170806786

"The Commission's "export bans" are proof (if it were needed) of its own procurement failures. If it had any contractual entitlement to these products it wouldn't need to ban their export. (cf the lack of any UK export ban)."

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9148831749

Thread with detailed explanation

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9885386753

"Public service announcement for my many new pro-Brexit followers (and indeed the tireless FBPE tweeters who have been stirred into abuse).

Most of the time, this account is very pro-EU, and very hostile to the idiocy of Brexit.

Announcement ends." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:27 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm

France are.
Are you sure?
It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
they have pulled away from that language, because a lot f the analysis made when they published bots it of it is they don't have any legal case, especially the reference to "reasonable endeavors" in Belgium law. Frequently stating instead they are not honouring their promises or 'agreements' or moving on some vague "we invested in vaccine development and aren't getting ours" sort of vague assertions in non-specific ways.
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mdaclarke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:17 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:13 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:03 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:01 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:52 pm

The fact you think you're capable of being objective on this matter is cute.
Two separate legal threats both just a lot of hot air. Thems the facts
As I've said before taking AZ to court will not fix anything in the short term as the case drags on and on. The EU probably will take them to court at some stage in the future for compensation.
If they had any sort of case they could get an injunction against the company to prevent them supplying doses to other customers if that was likely to be in breach of the contract with the EU. They wouldn't need to ban exports - just take action to enforce the contracts.
This has been pointed out before, the fact that the EU is talking about Export bans is a sign of weakness in their legal case, compare and contrast with the UK

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 1170806786

"The Commission's "export bans" are proof (if it were needed) of its own procurement failures. If it had any contractual entitlement to these products it wouldn't need to ban their export. (cf the lack of any UK export ban)."

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9148831749

Thread with detailed explanation

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9885386753

"Public service announcement for my many new pro-Brexit followers (and indeed the tireless FBPE tweeters who have been stirred into abuse).

Most of the time, this account is very pro-EU, and very hostile to the idiocy of Brexit.

Announcement ends." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't think there's any need to be so 'gleeful' over the problems facing the EU - it's very much in everyone's interests, ours included, that they get EU citizens vaccinated asap. They may made their own mess and be acting badly atm, out of panic. But their distress is not something anyone should be celebrating or crowing about.
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ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:27 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:17 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:13 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:03 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:01 pm

Two separate legal threats both just a lot of hot air. Thems the facts
As I've said before taking AZ to court will not fix anything in the short term as the case drags on and on. The EU probably will take them to court at some stage in the future for compensation.
If they had any sort of case they could get an injunction against the company to prevent them supplying doses to other customers if that was likely to be in breach of the contract with the EU. They wouldn't need to ban exports - just take action to enforce the contracts.
This has been pointed out before, the fact that the EU is talking about Export bans is a sign of weakness in their legal case, compare and contrast with the UK

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 1170806786

"The Commission's "export bans" are proof (if it were needed) of its own procurement failures. If it had any contractual entitlement to these products it wouldn't need to ban their export. (cf the lack of any UK export ban)."

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9148831749

Thread with detailed explanation

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9885386753

"Public service announcement for my many new pro-Brexit followers (and indeed the tireless FBPE tweeters who have been stirred into abuse).

Most of the time, this account is very pro-EU, and very hostile to the idiocy of Brexit.

Announcement ends." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't think there's any need to be so 'gleeful' over the problems facing the EU - it's very much in everyone's interests, ours included, that they get EU citizens vaccinated asap. They may made their own mess and be acting badly atm, out of panic. But their distress is not something anyone should be celebrating or crowing about.
Sorry the :lol: :lol: :lol: was meant about the comment at the end. SpinningHugo is very remain but he appears to be a fair minded lawyer. I was laughing at how twitter can be a cesspit.

Although the EU has been extremely petty in the past.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/13 ... andwiches/
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mdaclarke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:32 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:27 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:17 pm

This has been pointed out before, the fact that the EU is talking about Export bans is a sign of weakness in their legal case, compare and contrast with the UK

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 1170806786

"The Commission's "export bans" are proof (if it were needed) of its own procurement failures. If it had any contractual entitlement to these products it wouldn't need to ban their export. (cf the lack of any UK export ban)."

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9148831749

Thread with detailed explanation

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9885386753

"Public service announcement for my many new pro-Brexit followers (and indeed the tireless FBPE tweeters who have been stirred into abuse).

Most of the time, this account is very pro-EU, and very hostile to the idiocy of Brexit.

Announcement ends." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't think there's any need to be so 'gleeful' over the problems facing the EU - it's very much in everyone's interests, ours included, that they get EU citizens vaccinated asap. They may made their own mess and be acting badly atm, out of panic. But their distress is not something anyone should be celebrating or crowing about.
Sorry the :lol: :lol: :lol: was meant about the comment at the end. SpinningHugo is very remain but he appears to be a fair minded lawyer. I was laughing at how twitter can be a cesspit.

Although the EU has been extremely petty in the past.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/13 ... andwiches/
When we fully apply the terms of the trade deal we signed we will be doing the same to EU stuff coming in.
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Petej wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:06 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:32 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:27 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:17 pm

This has been pointed out before, the fact that the EU is talking about Export bans is a sign of weakness in their legal case, compare and contrast with the UK

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 1170806786

"The Commission's "export bans" are proof (if it were needed) of its own procurement failures. If it had any contractual entitlement to these products it wouldn't need to ban their export. (cf the lack of any UK export ban)."

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9148831749

Thread with detailed explanation

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9885386753

"Public service announcement for my many new pro-Brexit followers (and indeed the tireless FBPE tweeters who have been stirred into abuse).

Most of the time, this account is very pro-EU, and very hostile to the idiocy of Brexit.

Announcement ends." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't think there's any need to be so 'gleeful' over the problems facing the EU - it's very much in everyone's interests, ours included, that they get EU citizens vaccinated asap. They may made their own mess and be acting badly atm, out of panic. But their distress is not something anyone should be celebrating or crowing about.
Sorry the :lol: :lol: :lol: was meant about the comment at the end. SpinningHugo is very remain but he appears to be a fair minded lawyer. I was laughing at how twitter can be a cesspit.

Although the EU has been extremely petty in the past.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/13 ... andwiches/
When we fully apply the terms of the trade deal we signed we will be doing the same to EU stuff coming in.
Fair enough but the EU can't have it both ways. Taking the Mick when enforcing one agreement and then throwing their toys out of the pram when the Uk enforces another agreement.
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https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/ ... 9988877313

The UK can put up with the a blockade of AZ but a block on Pfizer (a company complying with its obligations to the UK) would be an act of pure spite and tantamount to a declaration of war. Condemning UK nationals to die in a fit of jealously,
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Anyway - I don't think the EU will impose an export ban on vaccines. There's too many countries that are against it - and, with global supply chains, such a ban could become counter productive, as well as extremely poor publicity for the EU. Attempts to 'bully' non members will not go down well. I don't think the EU will want to ramp up the row further - when they are clearly seen to be in the wrong.

More likely they will leave the 'threat' out there - as a warning and to strengthen their hand in any diplomatic negotiations.
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ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:12 pm Anyway - I don't think the EU will impose an export ban on vaccines. There's too many countries that are against it - and, with global supply chains, such a ban could become counter productive, as well as extremely poor publicity for the EU. Attempts to 'bully' non members will not go down well. I don't think the EU will want to ramp up the row further - when they are clearly seen to be in the wrong.

More likely they will leave the 'threat' out there - as a warning and to strengthen their hand in any diplomatic negotiations.
I agree that is unlikely. There is rumours that Boris will agree to share the AZ vaccine produced in the Netherlands.

I agree that a block of Pfizer would be impossible to justify other than as an act of spite and jealously.

It is also strangely communist. It is conflating a private company with the state. The State is not producing anything it is a private company.
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DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:34 pm No one is taking AZ to court. The reason why? They don't have a leg to stand on.
A contract law expert too now?
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Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:15 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:34 pm No one is taking AZ to court. The reason why? They don't have a leg to stand on.
A contract law expert too now?
This guy is

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo?ref_sr ... r%5Eauthor

Says the EU doesn't have a legal leg to stand on
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mdaclarke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:11 pm https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/ ... 9988877313

The UK can put up with the a blockade of AZ but a block on Pfizer (a company complying with its obligations to the UK) would be an act of pure spite and tantamount to a declaration of war. Condemning UK nationals to die in a fit of jealously,
I think you're spending far too much time on Twitter.............
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ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:27 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:17 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:13 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:03 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:01 pm

Two separate legal threats both just a lot of hot air. Thems the facts
As I've said before taking AZ to court will not fix anything in the short term as the case drags on and on. The EU probably will take them to court at some stage in the future for compensation.
If they had any sort of case they could get an injunction against the company to prevent them supplying doses to other customers if that was likely to be in breach of the contract with the EU. They wouldn't need to ban exports - just take action to enforce the contracts.
This has been pointed out before, the fact that the EU is talking about Export bans is a sign of weakness in their legal case, compare and contrast with the UK

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 1170806786

"The Commission's "export bans" are proof (if it were needed) of its own procurement failures. If it had any contractual entitlement to these products it wouldn't need to ban their export. (cf the lack of any UK export ban)."

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9148831749

Thread with detailed explanation

https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status ... 9885386753

"Public service announcement for my many new pro-Brexit followers (and indeed the tireless FBPE tweeters who have been stirred into abuse).

Most of the time, this account is very pro-EU, and very hostile to the idiocy of Brexit.

Announcement ends." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't think there's any need to be so 'gleeful' over the problems facing the EU - it's very much in everyone's interests, ours included, that they get EU citizens vaccinated asap. They may made their own mess and be acting badly atm, out of panic. But their distress is not something anyone should be celebrating or crowing about.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:27 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:25 pm

France are.
Are you sure?
It was mentioned by a source I trust (Luke O'Neill, who is very well informed) so fairly sure.
Looks like he was wrong. All the talk of legal actions died when Vdl published the contract and everyone realised they had no case.
This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
Trump talked about Stop the Steal and legally got further.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:15 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:34 pm No one is taking AZ to court. The reason why? They don't have a leg to stand on.
A contract law expert too now?
:lol:
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DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:30 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:15 pm
DAC_ wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:34 pm No one is taking AZ to court. The reason why? They don't have a leg to stand on.
A contract law expert too now?
:lol:
You seemed so sure, it was almost as if you had in depth knowledge of the respective contracts and the legal process of contract law. I haven’t a clue about any of it so I was surprised at your confidence.
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https://www.europeandatajournalism.eu/e ... xperts-say

"The clash between the EU and AstraZeneca over delayed vaccines has revealed a stack of questionable contracts signed with Big Pharma. Problems include manufacturers’ ambiguous delivery dates, but lawyers investigating the deals show that companies have a clear advantage over the EU. "

It's not just the AZ contract.
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Hopefully the EU learns something from this debacle. At the very least they could find new lawyers.
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ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:20 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:11 pm https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/ ... 9988877313

The UK can put up with the a blockade of AZ but a block on Pfizer (a company complying with its obligations to the UK) would be an act of pure spite and tantamount to a declaration of war. Condemning UK nationals to die in a fit of jealously,
I think you're spending far too much time on Twitter.............
It is addictive.

Still miss some of the science stuff on it. It just encourages silliness as various factions out silly and scare each other trying to get attention leading to a lot of anxiety and sleep deprivation. Probably not good that so many politicians and journalists use it. Stuffed full of fake accounts.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:03 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:01 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:52 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:49 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:43 pm

This was recent talk and the EU are still talking about AZ not honouring their contract.
EU playing their public like a fiddle
The fact you think you're capable of being objective on this matter is cute.
Two separate legal threats both just a lot of hot air. Thems the facts
As I've said before taking AZ to court will not fix anything in the short term as the case drags on and on. The EU probably will take them to court at some stage in the future for compensation.


Compensation for what exactly, it was a product being provided at “cost” .
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Petej wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:08 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:20 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:11 pm https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/ ... 9988877313

The UK can put up with the a blockade of AZ but a block on Pfizer (a company complying with its obligations to the UK) would be an act of pure spite and tantamount to a declaration of war. Condemning UK nationals to die in a fit of jealously,
I think you're spending far too much time on Twitter.............
It is addictive.

Still miss some of the science stuff on it. It just encourages silliness as various factions out silly and scare each other trying to get attention leading to a lot of anxiety and sleep deprivation. Probably not good that so many politicians and journalists use it. Stuffed full of fake accounts.
Especially when working from home!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56486733

Good report from Katya Adler.

I imagine some sort of deal will be done. Maybe the UK will give up important AZ from the EU as a gesture of good will. This will ensure that that the Pfizer will still come through and we produce most of the AZ we need.

Blockading Pfizer will be a disaster for both the EU and the UK as I cannot see how the UK would still allow the raw materials needed to make the Pfizer to go to the EU if the EU was blocking the Pfizer.
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Petej wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:08 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:20 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:11 pm https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/ ... 9988877313

The UK can put up with the a blockade of AZ but a block on Pfizer (a company complying with its obligations to the UK) would be an act of pure spite and tantamount to a declaration of war. Condemning UK nationals to die in a fit of jealously,
I think you're spending far too much time on Twitter.............
It is addictive.

Still miss some of the science stuff on it. It just encourages silliness as various factions out silly and scare each other trying to get attention leading to a lot of anxiety and sleep deprivation. Probably not good that so many politicians and journalists use it. Stuffed full of fake accounts.
My twitter is all through PR so minimal
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ovalball wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:13 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:03 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:01 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:52 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:49 pm
EU playing their public like a fiddle
The fact you think you're capable of being objective on this matter is cute.
Two separate legal threats both just a lot of hot air. Thems the facts
As I've said before taking AZ to court will not fix anything in the short term as the case drags on and on. The EU probably will take them to court at some stage in the future for compensation.
If they had any sort of case they could get an injunction against the company to prevent them supplying doses to other customers if that was likely to be in breach of the contract with the EU. They wouldn't need to ban exports - just take action to enforce the contracts.
“Urgent Interlocutory Relief” always sounds more naughty than it is. :lol:
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:08 pm Hopefully the EU learns something from this debacle. At the very least they could find new lawyers.
The issue as some people have said about the EU, is mentally they believe the solution to EU problems is more EU. This mentality has drastically backfired as more EU meant the EU took control over a situation it was poorly equipped to deal with.

It's not the first time, remember the TIIP deal with the US that was scraped? It was a terrible deal that would have legally prevented countries taking action for egregious behaviours by US multi-nationals, make things more expensive for Europeans, create job loses and basically loads of shit.

Also the state of the contracts is only part of what the EU did wrong, being slow to the party and the political decisions to go with Sanofi to appease Macron rather than hedging their bets, which is ultimately what Boris did is a large reason why the vaccine numbers so far have been unsatisfactory.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:08 pm Hopefully the EU learns something from this debacle. At the very least they could find new lawyers.
but you are still sure they will be suing AZ for compo :thumbup:
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the eu hedged its bets much wider than the Uk what are you on about?
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i hope the throw up the export bans
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Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:25 pm Please not be true

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/13 ... 3740172291
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
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kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:25 pm Please not be true

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/13 ... 3740172291
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
The crazy is how people could wish it to not be true.
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kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:25 pm Please not be true

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/13 ... 3740172291
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
It is not sensible to breach the Nuremberg Code.

Why restrict compulsory vaccination to care home staff? Make it compulsory for everyone in that case. No exceptions.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:11 am
kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:25 pm Please not be true

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/13 ... 3740172291
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
It is not sensible to breach the Nuremberg Code.

Why restrict compulsory vaccination to care home staff? Make it compulsory for everyone in that case. No exceptions.
Because it's not compulsory for everyone and anyone to work on care home staff.

You choose those with the the "right stuff" for the job, i.e. lower transmission risk.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:11 am
kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:25 pm Please not be true

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/13 ... 3740172291
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
It is not sensible to breach the Nuremberg Code.

Why restrict compulsory vaccination to care home staff? Make it compulsory for everyone in that case. No exceptions.
In what way would it breach the Nuremberg code ?
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kiap wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:21 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:11 am
kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:25 pm Please not be true

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/13 ... 3740172291
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
It is not sensible to breach the Nuremberg Code.

Why restrict compulsory vaccination to care home staff? Make it compulsory for everyone in that case. No exceptions.
Because it's not compulsory for everyone and anyone to work on care home staff.

You choose those with the the "right stuff" for the job, i.e. lower transmission risk.
Are you in favour of everyone having to the vaccine should they wish to work?
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