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ovalball wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:27 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:11 am
kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:25 pm Please not be true

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/13 ... 3740172291
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
It is not sensible to breach the Nuremberg Code.

Why restrict compulsory vaccination to care home staff? Make it compulsory for everyone in that case. No exceptions.
In what way would it breach the Nuremberg code ?
It is an experimental treatment
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:32 am
ovalball wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:27 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:11 am
kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:25 pm Please not be true

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/13 ... 3740172291
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
It is not sensible to breach the Nuremberg Code.

Why restrict compulsory vaccination to care home staff? Make it compulsory for everyone in that case. No exceptions.
In what way would it breach the Nuremberg code ?
It is an experimental treatment
And in what way does the proposal breach the code?
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:32 am
ovalball wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:27 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:11 am
kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:25 pm Please not be true

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/13 ... 3740172291
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
It is not sensible to breach the Nuremberg Code.

Why restrict compulsory vaccination to care home staff? Make it compulsory for everyone in that case. No exceptions.
In what way would it breach the Nuremberg code ?
It is an experimental treatment
It is hardly experimental when you've given it to about 25 million people.
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Petej wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:37 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:32 am
ovalball wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:27 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:11 am
kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
It is not sensible to breach the Nuremberg Code.

Why restrict compulsory vaccination to care home staff? Make it compulsory for everyone in that case. No exceptions.
In what way would it breach the Nuremberg code ?
It is an experimental treatment
It is hardly experimental when you've given it to about 25 million people.
Even if you were to concede the point (which you wouldn't, of course) - it still wouldn't breach the code.
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Petej wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:37 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:32 am
ovalball wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:27 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:11 am
kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
It is not sensible to breach the Nuremberg Code.

Why restrict compulsory vaccination to care home staff? Make it compulsory for everyone in that case. No exceptions.
In what way would it breach the Nuremberg code ?
It is an experimental treatment
It is hardly experimental when you've given it to about 25 million people.
It does not have a license. It is still trialing.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:30 am
kiap wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:21 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:11 am
kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:25 pm Please not be true

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/13 ... 3740172291
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
It is not sensible to breach the Nuremberg Code.

Why restrict compulsory vaccination to care home staff? Make it compulsory for everyone in that case. No exceptions.
Because it's not compulsory for everyone and anyone to work on care home staff.

You choose those with the the "right stuff" for the job, i.e. lower transmission risk.
Are you in favour of everyone having to the vaccine should they wish to work?
In vulnerable sectors where the risk of spreading disease causing death and trauma otherwise significantly goes up, obviously.

If your work is tapping away online as an anti-vaxxer social media troll then cough on your screen as much as you want, I couldn't give a fark.
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Make it compulsory for everyone then. Going to shops - need to be vaccinated. Visiting GP, dentist, hospital appointment- need to be vaccinated. Pub, restaurant cinema, theatre, brothel - need to be vaccinated.

No contact with any other human unless vaccinated.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:05 am Make it compulsory for everyone then. Going to shops - need to be vaccinated. Visiting GP, dentist, hospital appointment- need to be vaccinated. Pub, restaurant cinema, theatre, brothel - need to be vaccinated.

No contact with any other human unless vaccinated.
Most of these places aren't full of care home residents. Care home residents are by their very nature vulnerable and they cannot practically leave. Unvaccinated staff will put these residents at rest.

I would be absolutely fuming if my relative caught covid from an unvaccinated carer.

Nobody is forced to work in a care home. There are plenty of other vocations out there.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:05 am Make it compulsory for everyone then. Going to shops - need to be vaccinated. Visiting GP, dentist, hospital appointment- need to be vaccinated. Pub, restaurant cinema, theatre, brothel - need to be vaccinated.

No contact with any other human unless vaccinated.
Now you're just being melodramatic, Mick.

Cry for one minute ... then dry your eyes and carry on.
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No. It is discrimination.
Lawyers will be all over this.

Vaccinate all. Not all vulnerable people are in care homes. You might come into contact anywhere.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:15 am No. It is discrimination.
Lawyers will be all over this.

Vaccinate all. Not all vulnerable people are in care homes. You might come into contact anywhere.
It's a requirement for the job and it's not even remotely controversial...

You have to pass a 'working with children' check before, you know, working with children

You have to pass a medical before becoming a firefighter

You have to have a vaccination for typhoid before being allowed to go find Colonel Kurtz up the Nung River
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:15 am No. It is discrimination.
Lawyers will be all over this.

Vaccinate all. Not all vulnerable people are in care homes. You might come into contact anywhere.
You can't have perfect safety, Mick; you play the percentages.
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So, it doesn't breach the Nuremberg code (even though the Nuremberg code was never intended to cover a situation like this).

My Mum is in a Care Home - I think it is outrageous that people, who have refused to take the vaccine, are allowed to work with the residents - putting all them at greater risk of being killed by the virus. If people aren't prepared to put the safety of the residents first, then they should find an alternative occupation.

You'll also going to need to be vaccinated for lots of other things - like flying on certain airlines and entering certain countries.
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ovalball wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:59 am So, it doesn't breach the Nuremberg code (even though the Nuremberg code was never intended to cover a situation like this).

My Mum is in a Care Home - I think it is outrageous that people, who have refused to take the vaccine, are allowed to work with the residents - putting all them at greater risk of being killed by the virus. If people aren't prepared to put the safety of the residents first, then they should find an alternative occupation.

You'll also going to need to be vaccinated for lots of other things - like flying on certain airlines and entering certain countries.
With you, Oval. Here...
"While residents of nursing homes and their caregivers have been considered a top priority for COVID-19 vaccination, only 38% of nursing home staff accepted shots when they were offered, new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention revealed..."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 664743002/

Might be a bit higher now, now that they are not the first, but astonishing nonetheless. In their case, the point is they do it for others (the aged) and not themselves, but that's the never-ending problem here.

For mine, the great thing about getting vaccinated (had my first one last week), is that we can finally be free from those people who claim their 'freedom' means they don't have to wear masks or get vaccinated, or give a shit about anyone else. They can spread the infection just amongst themselves now; fine, their choice.

I so much hope that more airlines will follow Qantas and insist on proof of vaccination for passengers. I suspect that will persuade more to give up their 'principles' and their 'freedom' when faced with inconveniences such as travel bans.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:05 am Make it compulsory for everyone then. Going to shops - need to be vaccinated. Visiting GP, dentist, hospital appointment- need to be vaccinated. Pub, restaurant cinema, theatre, brothel - need to be vaccinated.

No contact with any other human unless vaccinated.
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Petej wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:37 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:32 am
ovalball wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:27 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:11 am
kiap wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:52 pm
It's a sensible requirement.

No jab, no job within aged care homes.
It is not sensible to breach the Nuremberg Code.

Why restrict compulsory vaccination to care home staff? Make it compulsory for everyone in that case. No exceptions.
In what way would it breach the Nuremberg code ?
It is an experimental treatment
It is hardly experimental when you've given it to about 25 million people.
Mick is missing the fact that the various covid jabs were develop very quickly in line with various yearly flu vaccine development procedures. There have been people with strong reactions to the jabs, as there are with the flu jabs each year, but nothing thus far that would have emergency sirens going off. Thus in no way are we talking an "experimental treatment", unless he wants to also call flu vaccines etc as also experimental.

Downunder we have had a number of people with extreme reactions to the jab our Gov is rolling out, but the percentage is actually decreasing as a total of the whole as the drug is more widely administrated to those at risk.

Waiting on Mick to point out the issue in Europe is somehow the result of U.S Democratic party meddling and the Chinese, and the Teletubbies.
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Haven’t read the thread-

Is it compulsory for nhs workers?
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ovalball wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:59 am So, it doesn't breach the Nuremberg code (even though the Nuremberg code was never intended to cover a situation like this).

My Mum is in a Care Home - I think it is outrageous that people, who have refused to take the vaccine, are allowed to work with the residents - putting all them at greater risk of being killed by the virus. If people aren't prepared to put the safety of the residents first, then they should find an alternative occupation.

You'll also going to need to be vaccinated for lots of other things - like flying on certain airlines and entering certain countries.
Make no exceptions then
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DragsterDriver wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:33 am Haven’t read the thread-

Is it compulsory for nhs workers?
No, it isn't.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:41 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:33 am Haven’t read the thread-

Is it compulsory for nhs workers?
No, it isn't.
It should be, not sure why they’re picking on the carers then? Soft target?
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DragsterDriver wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:47 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:41 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:33 am Haven’t read the thread-

Is it compulsory for nhs workers?
No, it isn't.
It should be, not sure why they’re picking on the carers then? Soft target?
Probably because the govt is concerned about about the optics of encouraging Clap for Carers being followed by "how do we cope with so many nurses off work suffering from stress because we are attempting to compel them to take an unlicensed drug?"
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Stress? More stressful than speeding covid around immunosuppressed patients. Get the anti Vax twats with a dart gun.
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So foreign travel banned until end of June, which will be 9 days past the “end of all restrictions “ dates.


They’re not going to give this power up easily are they.


Terrible decision.


Our contract with the state is breaking.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:52 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:47 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:41 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:33 am Haven’t read the thread-

Is it compulsory for nhs workers?
No, it isn't.
It should be, not sure why they’re picking on the carers then? Soft target?
Probably because the govt is concerned about about the optics of encouraging Clap for Carers being followed by "how do we cope with so many nurses off work suffering from stress because we are attempting to compel them to take an unlicensed drug?"
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bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:01 am So foreign travel banned until end of June, which will be 9 days past the “end of all restrictions “ dates.


They’re not going to give this power up easily are they.


Terrible decision.


Our contract with the state is breaking.
Whose "they"? Boris?

Of course they will give up this power, Boris by all accounts has been late to act because he's been resistant to wanting to implement greater COVID restrictions all along. Likewise what power? The last thing the Tories want is workers staying at home and reduced economy activity.

Stop the silly conspiracy language that actually contradicts what we actually know..
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eldanielfire wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:22 am
bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:01 am So foreign travel banned until end of June, which will be 9 days past the “end of all restrictions “ dates.


They’re not going to give this power up easily are they.


Terrible decision.


Our contract with the state is breaking.
Whose "they"? Boris?

Of course they will give up this power, Boris by all accounts has been late to act because he's been resistant to wanting to implement greater COVID restrictions all along. Likewise what power? The last thing the Tories want is workers staying at home and reduced economy activity.

Stop the silly conspiracy language that actually contradicts what we actually know..


They is the government.

No they’re already planning to carry on restricting protest post covid, now they’re planning to have state mandated travel orders.

I don’t care what Boris’s PR leaks , they’ve become authoritarian loons if you look at their laws and approaches to democratic levers.

It’s not a conspiracy if it’s true. Most of last year’s conspiracy have now been borne out.

The evidence being this is actually happening.
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I can’t see a problem with encouraging people to holiday in the U.K. this year to boost the economy.
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DragsterDriver wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:31 am I can’t see a problem with encouraging people to holiday in the U.K. this year to boost the economy.

And maybe next year if economic activity is seen as a bit low.
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bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:30 am
eldanielfire wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:22 am
bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:01 am So foreign travel banned until end of June, which will be 9 days past the “end of all restrictions “ dates.


They’re not going to give this power up easily are they.


Terrible decision.


Our contract with the state is breaking.
Whose "they"? Boris?

Of course they will give up this power, Boris by all accounts has been late to act because he's been resistant to wanting to implement greater COVID restrictions all along. Likewise what power? The last thing the Tories want is workers staying at home and reduced economy activity.

Stop the silly conspiracy language that actually contradicts what we actually know..


They is the government.
Headed y Boris, in a pandemic and often criticised for not wanting to take stricter measures during the pandemic. DOesn't sound like they are trying

No they’re already planning to carry on restricting protest post covid, now they’re planning to have state mandated travel orders.
Post COVID in the UK. It will still be raging globally.
I don’t care what Boris’s PR leaks , they’ve become authoritarian loons if you look at their laws and approaches to democratic levers.

It’s not a conspiracy if it’s true. Most of last year’s conspiracy have now been borne out.

The evidence being this is actually happening.
Yeah, Boris having his resistance to taking action and possibly leaving more people to suf0fr COVID and die when it's such a hot and emotive topic is really a story his PR people will leak. That makes perfect sense.....for am ideological loon.
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You voted them in, plenty warned you
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Post COVID in the UK. It will still be raging globally.

So rapid testing, quarantines and the vaccines don’t work.
Yeah, Boris having his resistance to taking action and possibly leaving more people to suf0fr COVID and die when it's such a hot and emotive topic is really a story his PR people will leak. That makes perfect sense.....for am ideological loon.

I’ll judge him by his actions, he avoided parliament, his emergency regulation is being extended into general laws post covid.

That’s not an ideological point of view.

You seem qUIte unbAalenced this morning.
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AND-y wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:39 am You voted them in, plenty warned you


I did , the alternative was far too frightening. We’d have been here pandemic regardless with your mob.
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bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:39 am
Post COVID in the UK. It will still be raging globally.

So rapid testing, quarantines and the vaccines don’t work.
Didn't know the rest of the world would be vaccinated this year. That's quick.
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bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:32 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:31 am I can’t see a problem with encouraging people to holiday in the U.K. this year to boost the economy.

And maybe next year if economic activity is seen as a bit low.
Chill Bimbs- it’s nearly over. People are done with lockdowns now but they’re having the good sense to hang in a few more weeks.
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eldanielfire wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:41 am
bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:39 am
Post COVID in the UK. It will still be raging globally.

So rapid testing, quarantines and the vaccines don’t work.
Didn't know the rest of the world would be vaccinated this year. That's quick.


Why would you care about the others status if the vaccine works ?
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DragsterDriver wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:42 am
bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:32 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:31 am I can’t see a problem with encouraging people to holiday in the U.K. this year to boost the economy.

And maybe next year if economic activity is seen as a bit low.
Chill Bimbs- it’s nearly over. People are done with lockdowns now but they’re having the good sense to hang in a few more weeks.


Clearly, that’s why Covid legislation is being extended until end of October and travel bans are being made separately post 21st June’s return to normal.
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Rugbygirl wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:03 pm Not really sure how anyone can actually be defending the EU's behaviour on this. (Long post- well done if you read the whole thing...)

Call it vaccine nationalism if you want, but the UK government took a pragmatic rather than an idealistic view on vaccine production. This was based on the predicted behaviour of the USA in the event of relying on them for vaccine supply. This prediction has so far been accurate- the US have imposed legislation preventing the export of vaccines produced on American soil. This is why Canada's vaccine programme is going so slowly in spite of the number of doses they ordered. In fact, the doses of the Pfizer vaccine they have received so far have come from the European factories, not the US ones. Hence the insistence of the UK government on Oxford partnering with a UK manufacturer and all the money put in to setting up the UK factories.
Excellent post and very much articulates my thoughts on it as well.(cut down for space :lol)
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bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:43 am
eldanielfire wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:41 am
bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:39 am
Post COVID in the UK. It will still be raging globally.

So rapid testing, quarantines and the vaccines don’t work.
Didn't know the rest of the world would be vaccinated this year. That's quick.


Why would you care about the others status if the vaccine works ?
Ah, that post where, once again, you reveal yourself as cold hearted and uncaring of human beings in the face of your ideology.

Likewise there is a practical good reason for not having travel abroad, we have no idea if new variants will pop up that will circumvent the vaccination effect while the pandemic rages. When the pandemic dies down then the chances of these variants are minimal and will be slow to spread giving time for future decisions to be made.
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AND-y wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:39 am You voted them in, plenty warned you
I do not recall anyone warning about this situation in 2019.
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