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CM11 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:32 pm
DAC_ wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:16 pm In reality I think politicians are mentioning "new" as it detracts from their current situations.
You don't have to find an angle for everything. It's to explain why things aren't reducing, why hospitalisations are going high and why previous lighter restrictions won't work with the same starting metrics.

Ffs, you went through it in the UK.
And why they should stop bad mouthing any vaccines and just get the bloody stuff into people's arms.
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bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:01 pm So very rare Asymptomatic spread is going to be the eventual enquiry defence for Boris and Hancock.
Asymptomatic spread was known about before lockdown anyhow
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not_english wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:51 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:01 pm So very rare Asymptomatic spread is going to be the eventual enquiry defence for Boris and Hancock.
Asymptomatic spread was known about before lockdown anyhow


Their trying to defend the decision to empty hospitals back into care homes, calling the ones they sent (untested) asymptomatic rather than “pre” symptoms rather than the very small amount of genuine Asymptomatic spread.

They’re evil.

And of course ignores the real big f uck up of not preparing for Jan this year.
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ovalball wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:16 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:32 pm
DAC_ wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:16 pm In reality I think politicians are mentioning "new" as it detracts from their current situations.
You don't have to find an angle for everything. It's to explain why things aren't reducing, why hospitalisations are going high and why previous lighter restrictions won't work with the same starting metrics.

Ffs, you went through it in the UK.
And why they should stop bad mouthing any vaccines and just get the bloody stuff into people's arms.
You are conflating two separate issues. Advice to the public on how to currently deal with the virus is completely separate to the vaccine rollout.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:37 am I see people are doubling and tripling down in their scramble to defend the UK as if I was attacking them instead of just addressing the basic facts. The UK has a contract (clever or whatever) that means AZ has to supply them first. Therefore they don't have to engage in vaccine nationalism because it's already written into the contract.

You lot really are delusional to think you wouldn't be scrambling to do what you could to secure vaccines made in your country if the the shoe was on the other foot. Especially as we already have evidence that your government would do the same from previous actions.
I hear apple have a really clever contract where the manufacturers they use have to give them iPhones.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:20 am
MrDominator wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:18 am
You lot really are delusional to think you wouldn't be scrambling to do what you could to secure vaccines made in your country if the the shoe was on the other foot.
Poppycock, old bean.

Our innate sense of fair play would forbid it
Apart from the time you did block exports to protect your own patients.
We've put you straight on this more than I care to remember.
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RodneyRegis wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:34 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:20 am
MrDominator wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:18 am
You lot really are delusional to think you wouldn't be scrambling to do what you could to secure vaccines made in your country if the the shoe was on the other foot.
Poppycock, old bean.

Our innate sense of fair play would forbid it
Apart from the time you did block exports to protect your own patients.
We've put you straight on this more than I care to remember.
I have yet to be 'put straight' on this so you're talking through your arse.
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Christ, they really are mentalists!
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission will on Wednesday extend EU powers to potentially block COVID-19 vaccine exports to Britain and other areas with much higher vaccination rates
The moves, which the EU official said could hit Johnson & Johnson, are designed to avoid even limited shortfalls in deliveries to a region whose inoculation programme has been beset by delays and supply issues.

Shipments abroad could also be withheld if vaccine-producing countries, such as Britain and the United States, do not allow exports to the EU, the official said, confirming comments by Commission head Ursula von der Leyen last week.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2BF2CI
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Druid wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:40 pm Christ, they really are mentalists!
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission will on Wednesday extend EU powers to potentially block COVID-19 vaccine exports to Britain and other areas with much higher vaccination rates
The moves, which the EU official said could hit Johnson & Johnson, are designed to avoid even limited shortfalls in deliveries to a region whose inoculation programme has been beset by delays and supply issues.

Shipments abroad could also be withheld if vaccine-producing countries, such as Britain and the United States, do not allow exports to the EU, the official said, confirming comments by Commission head Ursula von der Leyen last week.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2BF2CI
The UK isn't blocking anything....yet
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CM11 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:35 pm
RodneyRegis wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:34 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:20 am
MrDominator wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:18 am
You lot really are delusional to think you wouldn't be scrambling to do what you could to secure vaccines made in your country if the the shoe was on the other foot.
Poppycock, old bean.

Our innate sense of fair play would forbid it
Apart from the time you did block exports to protect your own patients.
We've put you straight on this more than I care to remember.
I have yet to be 'put straight' on this so you're talking through your arse.


It’s been explained regarding the “standards” and labelling rather than actual pharmaceutical products certainly more than once , in fact any politician using this for whataboutery is a real fraudster (see McGuinness at the weekend).

It’s a flat out lie.
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message #2527204 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:46 pm
Druid wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:40 pm Christ, they really are mentalists!
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission will on Wednesday extend EU powers to potentially block COVID-19 vaccine exports to Britain and other areas with much higher vaccination rates
The moves, which the EU official said could hit Johnson & Johnson, are designed to avoid even limited shortfalls in deliveries to a region whose inoculation programme has been beset by delays and supply issues.

Shipments abroad could also be withheld if vaccine-producing countries, such as Britain and the United States, do not allow exports to the EU, the official said, confirming comments by Commission head Ursula von der Leyen last week.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2BF2CI
The UK isn't blocking anything....yet
The EU could end up F**king everything up for everyone.

The UK will have no choice but to stop exports to the EU of vaccine components.

Will cause thousands of UK deaths and for what, because the EU can't cope with the UK doing something better than them
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Druid wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:40 pm Christ, they really are mentalists!
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission will on Wednesday extend EU powers to potentially block COVID-19 vaccine exports to Britain and other areas with much higher vaccination rates
The moves, which the EU official said could hit Johnson & Johnson, are designed to avoid even limited shortfalls in deliveries to a region whose inoculation programme has been beset by delays and supply issues.

Shipments abroad could also be withheld if vaccine-producing countries, such as Britain and the United States, do not allow exports to the EU, the official said, confirming comments by Commission head Ursula von der Leyen last week.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2BF2CI


The capital flight could become serious at this rate. They’re genuinely insane.
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They are worse than a small child throwing a tantrum.

The problem is they are a very large child and will potentially fuck things up for many countries.
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bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:56 pm
Druid wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:40 pm Christ, they really are mentalists!
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission will on Wednesday extend EU powers to potentially block COVID-19 vaccine exports to Britain and other areas with much higher vaccination rates
The moves, which the EU official said could hit Johnson & Johnson, are designed to avoid even limited shortfalls in deliveries to a region whose inoculation programme has been beset by delays and supply issues.

Shipments abroad could also be withheld if vaccine-producing countries, such as Britain and the United States, do not allow exports to the EU, the official said, confirming comments by Commission head Ursula von der Leyen last week.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2BF2CI


The capital flight could become serious at this rate. They’re genuinely insane.
J&J factory officials will be getting tours of the delights of the Scunthorpe Industrial Global Free Trade Zone as we speak

:lol:
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shanky wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:13 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:56 pm
Druid wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:40 pm Christ, they really are mentalists!
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission will on Wednesday extend EU powers to potentially block COVID-19 vaccine exports to Britain and other areas with much higher vaccination rates
The moves, which the EU official said could hit Johnson & Johnson, are designed to avoid even limited shortfalls in deliveries to a region whose inoculation programme has been beset by delays and supply issues.

Shipments abroad could also be withheld if vaccine-producing countries, such as Britain and the United States, do not allow exports to the EU, the official said, confirming comments by Commission head Ursula von der Leyen last week.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2BF2CI


The capital flight could become serious at this rate. They’re genuinely insane.
J&J factory officials will be getting tours of the delights of the Scunthorpe Industrial Global Free Trade Zone as we speak

:lol:


You know the U.K. have designated a load of Freeport’s post brexit, so you ain’t wrong.
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You’d want it to be tax free to live in that area. Holy crap

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Rather live in Scunny than Ghent.
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The EU seem to be behaving as if the UK was still part of the Bloc in the sense they think that it's perfectly normal to seek to rebalance the vaccine strategy across the region by redirecting doses from the haves to the have-nots.
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message #2527204 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:26 pm Rather live in Scunny than Ghent.
What about Immingham?
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shanky wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:38 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:26 pm Rather live in Scunny than Ghent.
What about Immingham?
Freeport seaport. Exploded when I was young. Would rather be that side of the river, though.
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mdaclarke wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:53 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:46 pm
Druid wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:40 pm Christ, they really are mentalists!
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission will on Wednesday extend EU powers to potentially block COVID-19 vaccine exports to Britain and other areas with much higher vaccination rates
The moves, which the EU official said could hit Johnson & Johnson, are designed to avoid even limited shortfalls in deliveries to a region whose inoculation programme has been beset by delays and supply issues.

Shipments abroad could also be withheld if vaccine-producing countries, such as Britain and the United States, do not allow exports to the EU, the official said, confirming comments by Commission head Ursula von der Leyen last week.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2BF2CI
The UK isn't blocking anything....yet
The EU could end up F**king everything up for everyone.

The UK will have no choice but to stop exports to the EU of vaccine components.

Will cause thousands of UK deaths and for what, because the EU can't cope with the UK doing something better than them
Almost feels like the death throws of a great beast.
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@message

Fair enough. I went there in a rainy winter so I probably didn't see it at its best
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shanky wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:38 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:26 pm Rather live in Scunny than Ghent.
What about Immingham?

That might be worth no vaccines and a million dead.
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shanky wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:13 pm
bimboman wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:56 pm
Druid wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:40 pm Christ, they really are mentalists!
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission will on Wednesday extend EU powers to potentially block COVID-19 vaccine exports to Britain and other areas with much higher vaccination rates
The moves, which the EU official said could hit Johnson & Johnson, are designed to avoid even limited shortfalls in deliveries to a region whose inoculation programme has been beset by delays and supply issues.

Shipments abroad could also be withheld if vaccine-producing countries, such as Britain and the United States, do not allow exports to the EU, the official said, confirming comments by Commission head Ursula von der Leyen last week.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2BF2CI


The capital flight could become serious at this rate. They’re genuinely insane.
J&J factory officials will be getting tours of the delights of the Scunthorpe Industrial Global Free Trade Zone as we speak

:lol:
I remember vaguely remember my uncle telling me a joke about “who put the cünt in Scunthorpe”.
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The Irish are apparently flooding across the border trying to snaffle vaccinations in the North:
Hundreds of people from south of the border, some travelling from as far as Dublin and Galway, have been turned away from centres across Northern Ireland in recent days.
Cheeky buggers
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I think the main lesson from this pandemic is that the UK must be completely self sufficient in vaccine production. In particular no parts/ingredients can come from the EU.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... utType=amp

Any of you experts in vaccine has seen this article?
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mdaclarke wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:53 pm
The EU could end up F**king everything up for everyone.

The UK will have no choice but to stop exports to the EU of vaccine components.

Will cause thousands of UK deaths and for what, because the EU can't cope with the UK doing something better than them
Why do you have to see this as the EU having a complex vis a vis the UK?

You seem to get close to the truth when you mention thousand of deaths.

So now put yourself in the shoes of EU leaders. They fecked up, they have possibly been outvitted by the UK negotiators and policy makers. But they have thousand of people who die unnecessarily as a result of this.

What do they do? They watch deaths happening and go for the Gallic shrug? Too bad?

Or do they try to find a solution with their neighbors and partners?

And if these partners show them the 2 fingers, telling them "tough luck, you can die idiots", should they take a leaf from French history and surrender?

I find it sad that this vaccination issue has become what it is, and yes, the EU haven't covered themselves in glory. But to make this a dick waving contest is pitiful because, as you pointed out, people die.
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TheFrog wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:19 am
mdaclarke wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:53 pm
The EU could end up F**king everything up for everyone.

The UK will have no choice but to stop exports to the EU of vaccine components.

Will cause thousands of UK deaths and for what, because the EU can't cope with the UK doing something better than them
Why do you have to see this as the EU having a complex vis a vis the UK?

You seem to get close to the truth when you mention thousand of deaths.

So now put yourself in the shoes of EU leaders. They fecked up, they have possibly been outvitted by the UK negotiators and policy makers. But they have thousand of people who die unnecessarily as a result of this.

What do they do? They watch deaths happening and go for the Gallic shrug? Too bad?

Or do they try to find a solution with their neighbors and partners?

And if these partners show them the 2 fingers, telling them "tough luck, you can die idiots", should they take a leaf from French history and surrender?

I find it sad that this vaccination issue has become what it is, and yes, the EU haven't covered themselves in glory. But to make this a dick waving contest is pitiful because, as you pointed out, people die.


You’re almost right, however they don’t care about people dying, demonstrated quite adequately by their deliberate rubbishing of the AZ jab and the doubts they’ve created as cover to their ineptitude.
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Whatever vaccine solution the criminal Fr. gov may find -and they haveproved many times they suck at finding real solutions- the contamination will keep on skyrocketing as long as the schools are open.
A country-scale lockdown is badly needed.
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mdaclarke wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:42 am I think the main lesson from this pandemic is that the UK must be completely self sufficient in vaccine production. In particular no parts/ingredients can come from the EU.
I've said for along time the UK should be self-sufficient in a number of areas. Globalization mostly benefits the super rich.
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Odval wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:17 am Whatever vaccine solution the criminal Fr. gov may find -and they haveproved many times they suck at finding real solutions- the contamination will keep on skyrocketing as long as the schools are open.
A country-scale lockdown is badly needed.
Schools, particularly primary (under 12), don't add hugely to the spread. If you're taking the correct precautions in school.

There could be a more indirect consequence of schools opening with parents more mobile and meeting up more but that's not the kids fault. That needs to be called out rather than punishing the kids.
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eldanielfire wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:33 am
mdaclarke wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:42 am I think the main lesson from this pandemic is that the UK must be completely self sufficient in vaccine production. In particular no parts/ingredients can come from the EU.
I've said for along time the UK should be self-sufficient in a number of areas. Globalization mostly benefits the super rich.

Globalisation benefits EVERYONE. The idea that those lifted from poverty and absolute poverty would be as well off now is not true.

The cost of basic goods has collapsed in the west.
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TheFrog wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:12 am https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... utType=amp

Any of you experts in vaccine has seen this article?
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MrDominator wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:39 pm The Irish are apparently flooding across the border trying to snaffle vaccinations in the North:
Hundreds of people from south of the border, some travelling from as far as Dublin and Galway, have been turned away from centres across Northern Ireland in recent days.
Cheeky buggers
Sounds like you lads need to sort out your booking portal, sloppy stuff
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bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:47 am
eldanielfire wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:33 am
mdaclarke wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:42 am I think the main lesson from this pandemic is that the UK must be completely self sufficient in vaccine production. In particular no parts/ingredients can come from the EU.
I've said for along time the UK should be self-sufficient in a number of areas. Globalization mostly benefits the super rich.

Globalisation benefits EVERYONE. The idea that those lifted from poverty and absolute poverty would be as well off now is not true.

The cost of basic goods has collapsed in the west.
Bollocks.

One thing Trump locked onto in 2016 in those rust belt states was recognising that when a town is economically dependent on a factory and that gets shifted to say Mexico, that town crumbles economically. It created Trumps path to power. A similar issue with mass unskilled immigration comes and undercuts manual labour, who are usually the poorest and they get fewer job opportunities.

How are those particular people benefitting from globalisation? I know their bosses are, but not the poor. Hence why now more than ever the middle classes are shrinking and the super rich are richer than ever.
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Just when we thought the UK government was handling the vaccine issue diplomatically well along comes Boris

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56504546
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eldanielfire wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:11 am
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:47 am
eldanielfire wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:33 am
mdaclarke wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:42 am I think the main lesson from this pandemic is that the UK must be completely self sufficient in vaccine production. In particular no parts/ingredients can come from the EU.
I've said for along time the UK should be self-sufficient in a number of areas. Globalization mostly benefits the super rich.

Globalisation benefits EVERYONE. The idea that those lifted from poverty and absolute poverty would be as well off now is not true.

The cost of basic goods has collapsed in the west.
Bollocks.

One thing Trump locked onto in 2016 in those rust belt states was recognising that when a town is economically dependent on a factory and that gets shifted to say Mexico, that town crumbles economically. It created Trumps path to power. A similar issue with mass unskilled immigration comes and undercuts manual labour, who are usually the poorest and they get fewer job opportunities.

How are those particular people benefitting from globalisation? I know their bosses are, but not the poor. Hence why now more than ever the middle classes are shrinking and the super rich are richer than ever.


“Here’s a single example”

Everyone benefits from globalisation, sure things change in places and the political ramifications need more sensitivity.


Middle classes around the world aren’t “shrinking” they’re exploding.

Super rich are getting the benefits of an asset value explosion, the one biggest reason for that is the super borrowing by governments which you support.

You’re an economic knowledge vacuum, you correlate like a small child,
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Frodder wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:22 am Just when we thought the UK government was handling the vaccine issue diplomatically well along comes Boris

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56504546
At least he’s honest :lol:
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Frodder wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:22 am Just when we thought the UK government was handling the vaccine issue diplomatically well along comes Boris

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56504546
What do we have an issue with? That raw capitaism isn't just naked greed? Or that big pharma are, in fact, nothing more than altruism incarnate?
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