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bimboman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:28 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:25 pm
terryfinch wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:18 pm Saw a report at the weekend that a massive vacc centre in France, with 4,000 doses ready, had about 20 people turn up so closed. Macron is such a twat. He has managed to destroy France’s chances of getting out of this mess any time soon.
They'll take pfizer. Loads more of them coming

Meanwhile they restrict the AZ from being exported and leave it in fridges.


Clap that.
USA are doing the same
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iarmhiman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:30 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:28 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:25 pm
terryfinch wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:18 pm Saw a report at the weekend that a massive vacc centre in France, with 4,000 doses ready, had about 20 people turn up so closed. Macron is such a twat. He has managed to destroy France’s chances of getting out of this mess any time soon.
They'll take pfizer. Loads more of them coming

Meanwhile they restrict the AZ from being exported and leave it in fridges.


Clap that.
USA are doing the same

The US have wasted vaccines?

Either way comparing yourselves to the US medical service :lol:
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iarmhiman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:30 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:28 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:25 pm
terryfinch wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:18 pm Saw a report at the weekend that a massive vacc centre in France, with 4,000 doses ready, had about 20 people turn up so closed. Macron is such a twat. He has managed to destroy France’s chances of getting out of this mess any time soon.
They'll take pfizer. Loads more of them coming

Meanwhile they restrict the AZ from being exported and leave it in fridges.


Clap that.
USA are doing the same
2 wrongs then
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iarmhiman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:25 pm
terryfinch wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:18 pm Saw a report at the weekend that a massive vacc centre in France, with 4,000 doses ready, had about 20 people turn up so closed. Macron is such a twat. He has managed to destroy France’s chances of getting out of this mess any time soon.
They'll take pfizer. Loads more of them coming
France now have more new cases/million population than any large country except Turkey. Mainly down to Macron’s disastrous actions.
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Frodder wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:37 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:30 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:28 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:25 pm
terryfinch wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:18 pm Saw a report at the weekend that a massive vacc centre in France, with 4,000 doses ready, had about 20 people turn up so closed. Macron is such a twat. He has managed to destroy France’s chances of getting out of this mess any time soon.
They'll take pfizer. Loads more of them coming

Meanwhile they restrict the AZ from being exported and leave it in fridges.


Clap that.
USA are doing the same
2 wrongs then
I really couldn't care.
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bimboman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:47 pm
Because they’re immensely different. One is the domestic movement of all people in all circumstances, he other restrictions on a small amount of travellers for a short period of time, sensible quarantine for those that have to travel.

Btw, I’m anti Lockdown in the same way the World Health organisation and many other organisations are. They’re a blunt and stupid political tool.
Heathrow has seen the number of passengers going down to 22.1m in 2020 from 81m in 2019. Not a small amount of travelers.
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Frodder wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:37 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:30 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:28 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:25 pm
terryfinch wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:18 pm Saw a report at the weekend that a massive vacc centre in France, with 4,000 doses ready, had about 20 people turn up so closed. Macron is such a twat. He has managed to destroy France’s chances of getting out of this mess any time soon.
They'll take pfizer. Loads more of them coming

Meanwhile they restrict the AZ from being exported and leave it in fridges.


Clap that.
USA are doing the same
2 wrongs then
Our international development secretary needs to be lining up export plans because by july we are going to have excess vaccine and the more people have it where ever in the world the better.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:13 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:47 pm
Because they’re immensely different. One is the domestic movement of all people in all circumstances, he other restrictions on a small amount of travellers for a short period of time, sensible quarantine for those that have to travel.

Btw, I’m anti Lockdown in the same way the World Health organisation and many other organisations are. They’re a blunt and stupid political tool.
Heathrow has seen the number of passengers going down to 22.1m in 2020 from 81m in 2019. Not a small amount of travelers.

Indeed , shite Government.
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Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:07 pm Looks increasingly like the uk has already achieved herd immunity.
On what basis? Look at the curves last year. Are they much different this year?

Summer 2020 looked good in the UK but herd immunity had not been achieved.

We have to wait a bit more before claiming victory (which I am hoping for) and the real test will be next winter again.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:17 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:07 pm Looks increasingly like the uk has already achieved herd immunity.
On what basis? Look at the curves last year. Are they much different this year?

Summer 2020 looked good in the UK but herd immunity had not been achieved.

We have to wait a bit more before claiming victory (which I am hoping for) and the real test will be next winter again.
The basis being the % of the population with anti bodies.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:17 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:07 pm Looks increasingly like the uk has already achieved herd immunity.
On what basis? Look at the curves last year. Are they much different this year?

Summer 2020 looked good in the UK but herd immunity had not been achieved.

We have to wait a bit more before claiming victory (which I am hoping for) and the real test will be next winter again.
We are still in April. This time last year it was utter carnage. No idea where the UK will be by the winter though. Given the way COVID deaths are recorded here the figures could be hugely misleading.
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NI 2 weeks ahead of the vaccine schedule. Offering 35-39yo’s the dose when they weren’t expected to get it until start of May.
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Gospel wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:22 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:17 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:07 pm Looks increasingly like the uk has already achieved herd immunity.
On what basis? Look at the curves last year. Are they much different this year?

Summer 2020 looked good in the UK but herd immunity had not been achieved.

We have to wait a bit more before claiming victory (which I am hoping for) and the real test will be next winter again.
We are still in April. This time last year it was utter carnage. No idea where the UK will be by the winter though. Given the way COVID deaths are recorded here the figures could be hugely misleading.
The wave arrived later last year, a lot of what we see has to do with the impact of the lockdown.

This is not saying that vaccines are not working and I am hoping that they do.

But herd immunity, from what I read is something scientists are quite unsure of, with different views on what are the level of population protected by antibodies required to achieve herd immunity.

What is sure is that the UK are leading the charge in Europe and I am hoping they will also prove the world that vaccine is a good solution.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:17 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:07 pm Looks increasingly like the uk has already achieved herd immunity.
On what basis? Look at the curves last year. Are they much different this year?

Summer 2020 looked good in the UK but herd immunity had not been achieved.

We have to wait a bit more before claiming victory (which I am hoping for) and the real test will be next winter again.
Curves are steeper on the decline from last year. Uk is further north than France so not like we can say it is due to summer and months earlier than last year's decline. Between the number of people already caught it and vaccinations probably at about 65-70%.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
Dose %over 18s
England 1st jab 62.4
England 2nd jab 19.2
Wales 1st 67.1
Wales 2nd 23.9
Scotland 1 62
Scotland 2 17.1
NI 1st 59.4
NI 2nd 18.8
https://public.tableau.com/profile/publ ... inesummary
Flick through to the vaccinations tab to see vaccine uptake in Wales.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
Uk has about 2200 people in hospital with covid and about 330 on ventilators.

The under 40s with no health issues are getting their 1st jabs around here.
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I think compliance has with restrictions has decreased significantly in the UK and the willingness to be tested. So the absence of a rebound is very good.
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Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:01 pm I think compliance has with restrictions has decreased significantly in the UK and the willingness to be tested. So the absence of a rebound is very good.
And what makes you think that?

We're still taking over twice as many tests as the next country.
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message #2527204 wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:34 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:01 pm I think compliance has with restrictions has decreased significantly in the UK and the willingness to be tested. So the absence of a rebound is very good.
And what makes you think that?

We're still taking over twice as many tests as the next country.


Those are coerced or mandatory tests of the same bloody people.

1.6 million tests to find 2,000 cases.

A massive waste of money.
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message #2527204 wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:34 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:01 pm I think compliance has with restrictions has decreased significantly in the UK and the willingness to be tested. So the absence of a rebound is very good.
And what makes you think that?

We're still taking over twice as many tests as the next country.
Pretty sure Denmark is testing more than you. They're doing close to 200k a day which would adjust to over 2m adjusted for the UK. Overall they're over twice your rate.

But yeah they're doing an insane amount, as are you.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:56 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:34 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:01 pm I think compliance has with restrictions has decreased significantly in the UK and the willingness to be tested. So the absence of a rebound is very good.
And what makes you think that?

We're still taking over twice as many tests as the next country.
Pretty sure Denmark is testing more than you. They're doing close to 200k a day which would adjust to over 2m adjusted for the UK. Overall they're over twice your rate.

But yeah they're doing an insane amount, as are you.
True - Denmark have done 5.5 tests for every person in the country - but it is a tiny population. UK is @ 2 per person - and a fair way ahead of other countries with a reasonably large population.
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bimboman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:20 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:17 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:07 pm Looks increasingly like the uk has already achieved herd immunity.
On what basis? Look at the curves last year. Are they much different this year?

Summer 2020 looked good in the UK but herd immunity had not been achieved.

We have to wait a bit more before claiming victory (which I am hoping for) and the real test will be next winter again.
The basis being the % of the population with anti bodies.
How do we find that percentage? Are we testing for anti-bodies in any quantity yet?
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ovalball wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:03 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:56 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:34 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:01 pm I think compliance has with restrictions has decreased significantly in the UK and the willingness to be tested. So the absence of a rebound is very good.
And what makes you think that?

We're still taking over twice as many tests as the next country.
Pretty sure Denmark is testing more than you. They're doing close to 200k a day which would adjust to over 2m adjusted for the UK. Overall they're over twice your rate.

But yeah they're doing an insane amount, as are you.
True - Denmark have done 5.5 tests for every person in the country - but it is a tiny population. UK is @ 2 per person - and a fair way ahead of other countries with a reasonably large population.
Surely those numbers are skewed towards frontline health care workers who must be up to their 50th test by now? Most people I know haven’t even had 1 Covid test yet.
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Sandstorm wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:48 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:03 pm
CM11 wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:56 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:34 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:01 pm I think compliance has with restrictions has decreased significantly in the UK and the willingness to be tested. So the absence of a rebound is very good.
And what makes you think that?

We're still taking over twice as many tests as the next country.
Pretty sure Denmark is testing more than you. They're doing close to 200k a day which would adjust to over 2m adjusted for the UK. Overall they're over twice your rate.

But yeah they're doing an insane amount, as are you.
True - Denmark have done 5.5 tests for every person in the country - but it is a tiny population. UK is @ 2 per person - and a fair way ahead of other countries with a reasonably large population.
Surely those numbers are skewed towards frontline health care workers who must be up to their 50th test by now? Most people I know haven’t even had 1 Covid test yet.
Probably - but the stats do show just how many tests some countries invest in, compared to others - who also have to screen frontline workers etc.. So the stat is still telling us something.
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Willie Falloon wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:38 pm NI 2 weeks ahead of the vaccine schedule. Offering 35-39yo’s the dose when they weren’t expected to get it until start of May.
I'd be gutted
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Sandstorm wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:45 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:20 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:17 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:07 pm Looks increasingly like the uk has already achieved herd immunity.
On what basis? Look at the curves last year. Are they much different this year?

Summer 2020 looked good in the UK but herd immunity had not been achieved.

We have to wait a bit more before claiming victory (which I am hoping for) and the real test will be next winter again.
The basis being the % of the population with anti bodies.
How do we find that percentage? Are we testing for anti-bodies in any quantity yet?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 4april2021

About 1/2 uk population would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week ending 28 March 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated. Remember it takes 2 to 3 weeks post vaccine for antibodies to show up and antibodies are only one component of our immune system so not a precise measurement of immunity. So looking at 50%over a month ago.
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Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:25 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:45 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:20 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:17 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:07 pm Looks increasingly like the uk has already achieved herd immunity.
On what basis? Look at the curves last year. Are they much different this year?

Summer 2020 looked good in the UK but herd immunity had not been achieved.

We have to wait a bit more before claiming victory (which I am hoping for) and the real test will be next winter again.
The basis being the % of the population with anti bodies.
How do we find that percentage? Are we testing for anti-bodies in any quantity yet?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 4april2021

About 1/2 uk population would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week ending 28 March 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated. Remember it takes 2 to 3 weeks post vaccine for antibodies to show up and antibodies are only one component of our immune system so not a precise measurement of immunity. So looking at 50%over a month ago.
“Would have tested positive for anti-bodies” and “including vaccinated people”....

Lot of guessing in those weekly reports when we aren’t actually testing anyone for anti-bodies yet.
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Sandstorm wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:44 pm
Petej wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:25 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:45 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:20 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:17 pm

On what basis? Look at the curves last year. Are they much different this year?

Summer 2020 looked good in the UK but herd immunity had not been achieved.

We have to wait a bit more before claiming victory (which I am hoping for) and the real test will be next winter again.
The basis being the % of the population with anti bodies.
How do we find that percentage? Are we testing for anti-bodies in any quantity yet?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 4april2021

About 1/2 uk population would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 on a blood test in the week ending 28 March 2021, suggesting they had the infection in the past or have been vaccinated. Remember it takes 2 to 3 weeks post vaccine for antibodies to show up and antibodies are only one component of our immune system so not a precise measurement of immunity. So looking at 50%over a month ago.
“Would have tested positive for anti-bodies” and “including vaccinated people”....

Lot of guessing in those weekly reports when we aren’t actually testing anyone for anti-bodies yet.
They use the results of Pillar 4 testing to get the information that they need to for their model. It is a bit more than just guess work and yes they are doing antibody tests as part of this. I know two people who have had anti body tests for this survey.
Also Pillar 3 testing is for antibodies and has been going for some time and you can qualify for this depending on your job.
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Pillar 3 testing for anti-bodies has shown the test isn’t accurate enough yet. The Govt announced that on 2 April.

No one has a clue how many people have antibodies or how long they last.
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Dozy wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:26 pm Always loved bath, going on a session in the Raven in Bath next time. Top boozer it seems
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My vaccination appointment was cancelled admit was most likely AZ and I'm 46

Re-entered the app to check and message "You need Pfizer and we have no supply yet"

No way Oz will get it all done by Christmas
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EverReady wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:09 am Dirty bastards https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56811375
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:37 am My vaccination appointment was cancelled admit was most likely AZ and I'm 46

Re-entered the app to check and message "You need Pfizer and we have no supply yet"

No way Oz will get it all done by Christmas
Why is it not okay to give AZ to younger people but it's okay to give it to older people?

All the people that died in Norway when the news broke it was causing blood clots were all nursing home patients.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:21 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:37 am My vaccination appointment was cancelled admit was most likely AZ and I'm 46

Re-entered the app to check and message "You need Pfizer and we have no supply yet"

No way Oz will get it all done by Christmas
Why is it not okay to give AZ to younger people but it's okay to give it to older people?

All the people that died in Norway when the news broke it was causing blood clots were all nursing home patients.
I think its a numbers game. The risk of death from Covid for over 50s is far higher so better to take the risk of a blood clot to get vaccinated and avoid the Covid risk. Different risk profile for younger people. There is also some circumstantial evidence that younger women are more at risk, although this isnt proven yet - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w

For me, Im happy to take the AZ is its offered to me. The risk of clots is incredibly low.
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Farva wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:26 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:21 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:37 am My vaccination appointment was cancelled admit was most likely AZ and I'm 46

Re-entered the app to check and message "You need Pfizer and we have no supply yet"

No way Oz will get it all done by Christmas
Why is it not okay to give AZ to younger people but it's okay to give it to older people?

All the people that died in Norway when the news broke it was causing blood clots were all nursing home patients.
I think its a numbers game. The risk of death from Covid for over 50s is far higher so better to take the risk of a blood clot to get vaccinated and avoid the Covid risk. Different risk profile for younger people. There is also some circumstantial evidence that younger women are more at risk, although this isnt proven yet - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w

For me, Im happy to take the AZ is its offered to me. The risk of clots is incredibly low.
My parents are both in their 70s and both medical specialists, Dad was a surgeon and Mum was a psychiatric and intensive care nurse. They're both very rational and scientific and not at all woo-woo. Neither of them want the AZ vaccine.

It all seems a bit weird in Australia to be honest. I just doesn't make much sense. They're willing to shut down borders and endure all sorts of social and economic upheavel specifically to save older people, now the virus is almost eradicated in the country with virtually no news cases, they're suddenly in such a mad rush to open up that they're willing to use those same older folk as guinnea pigs?

It doesn't smell right. It's about $$$, not people. Of course ScoMo and the others in power all probably got the Pfizer injection, am I right? If that is the case, then that's the one everyone should get (or at least have the option).

Personally I would have got the AZ virus before I contracted coronavirus. But now I've had it, what is the risk of getting it again and infecting other people? What's the point of taking even an extremely low risk if I have the option of waiting for a better one?
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:52 am
Farva wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:26 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:21 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:37 am My vaccination appointment was cancelled admit was most likely AZ and I'm 46

Re-entered the app to check and message "You need Pfizer and we have no supply yet"

No way Oz will get it all done by Christmas
Why is it not okay to give AZ to younger people but it's okay to give it to older people?

All the people that died in Norway when the news broke it was causing blood clots were all nursing home patients.
I think its a numbers game. The risk of death from Covid for over 50s is far higher so better to take the risk of a blood clot to get vaccinated and avoid the Covid risk. Different risk profile for younger people. There is also some circumstantial evidence that younger women are more at risk, although this isnt proven yet - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w

For me, Im happy to take the AZ is its offered to me. The risk of clots is incredibly low.
My parents are both in their 70s and both medical specialists, Dad was a surgeon and Mum was a psychiatric and intensive care nurse. They're both very rational and scientific and not at all woo-woo. Neither of them want the AZ vaccine.

It all seems a bit weird in Australia to be honest. I just doesn't make much sense. They're willing to shut down borders and endure all sorts of social and economic upheavel specifically to save older people, now the virus is almost eradicated in the country with virtually no news cases, they're suddenly in such a mad rush to open up that they're willing to use those same older folk as guinnea pigs?

It doesn't smell right. It's about $$$, not people. Of course ScoMo and the others in power all probably got the Pfizer injection, am I right? If that is the case, then that's the one everyone should get (or at least have the option).

Personally I would have got the AZ virus before I contracted coronavirus. But now I've had it, what is the risk of getting it again and infecting other people? What's the point of taking even an extremely low risk if I have the option of waiting for a better one?
The risk with pfizer is the same as with AZ.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:52 am
Farva wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:26 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:21 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:37 am My vaccination appointment was cancelled admit was most likely AZ and I'm 46

Re-entered the app to check and message "You need Pfizer and we have no supply yet"

No way Oz will get it all done by Christmas
Why is it not okay to give AZ to younger people but it's okay to give it to older people?

All the people that died in Norway when the news broke it was causing blood clots were all nursing home patients.
I think its a numbers game. The risk of death from Covid for over 50s is far higher so better to take the risk of a blood clot to get vaccinated and avoid the Covid risk. Different risk profile for younger people. There is also some circumstantial evidence that younger women are more at risk, although this isnt proven yet - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w

For me, Im happy to take the AZ is its offered to me. The risk of clots is incredibly low.
My parents are both in their 70s and both medical specialists, Dad was a surgeon and Mum was a psychiatric and intensive care nurse. They're both very rational and scientific and not at all woo-woo. Neither of them want the AZ vaccine.

It all seems a bit weird in Australia to be honest. I just doesn't make much sense. They're willing to shut down borders and endure all sorts of social and economic upheavel specifically to save older people, now the virus is almost eradicated in the country with virtually no news cases, they're suddenly in such a mad rush to open up that they're willing to use those same older folk as guinnea pigs?

It doesn't smell right. It's about $$$, not people. Of course ScoMo and the others in power all probably got the Pfizer injection, am I right? If that is the case, then that's the one everyone should get (or at least have the option).

Personally I would have got the AZ virus before I contracted coronavirus. But now I've had it, what is the risk of getting it again and infecting other people? What's the point of taking even an extremely low risk if I have the option of waiting for a better one?
They will have undoubtedly taken medicines which have greater risks. People are shit about risk even when they shouldn't be.
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message #2527204 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:12 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:52 am
Farva wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:26 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:21 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:37 am My vaccination appointment was cancelled admit was most likely AZ and I'm 46

Re-entered the app to check and message "You need Pfizer and we have no supply yet"

No way Oz will get it all done by Christmas
Why is it not okay to give AZ to younger people but it's okay to give it to older people?

All the people that died in Norway when the news broke it was causing blood clots were all nursing home patients.
I think its a numbers game. The risk of death from Covid for over 50s is far higher so better to take the risk of a blood clot to get vaccinated and avoid the Covid risk. Different risk profile for younger people. There is also some circumstantial evidence that younger women are more at risk, although this isnt proven yet - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w

For me, Im happy to take the AZ is its offered to me. The risk of clots is incredibly low.
My parents are both in their 70s and both medical specialists, Dad was a surgeon and Mum was a psychiatric and intensive care nurse. They're both very rational and scientific and not at all woo-woo. Neither of them want the AZ vaccine.

It all seems a bit weird in Australia to be honest. I just doesn't make much sense. They're willing to shut down borders and endure all sorts of social and economic upheavel specifically to save older people, now the virus is almost eradicated in the country with virtually no news cases, they're suddenly in such a mad rush to open up that they're willing to use those same older folk as guinnea pigs?

It doesn't smell right. It's about $$$, not people. Of course ScoMo and the others in power all probably got the Pfizer injection, am I right? If that is the case, then that's the one everyone should get (or at least have the option).

Personally I would have got the AZ virus before I contracted coronavirus. But now I've had it, what is the risk of getting it again and infecting other people? What's the point of taking even an extremely low risk if I have the option of waiting for a better one?
The risk with pfizer is the same as with AZ.
Strange that none of the experts seem to think so.

In any case, that's only part of the point. I'm very far from a rightie-loon, but I don't think the State should be able to mandate medication to the people, especially ones that the leaders of the country don't actually take themselves.
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I'd have taken AZ. I didn't get.thr choice.

I'm fine with people not vaccinating but thwy won't be able to travel offshore for years.

No airline will risk it
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:52 am
Farva wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:26 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:21 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:37 am My vaccination appointment was cancelled admit was most likely AZ and I'm 46

Re-entered the app to check and message "You need Pfizer and we have no supply yet"

No way Oz will get it all done by Christmas
Why is it not okay to give AZ to younger people but it's okay to give it to older people?

All the people that died in Norway when the news broke it was causing blood clots were all nursing home patients.
I think its a numbers game. The risk of death from Covid for over 50s is far higher so better to take the risk of a blood clot to get vaccinated and avoid the Covid risk. Different risk profile for younger people. There is also some circumstantial evidence that younger women are more at risk, although this isnt proven yet - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w

For me, Im happy to take the AZ is its offered to me. The risk of clots is incredibly low.
My parents are both in their 70s and both medical specialists, Dad was a surgeon and Mum was a psychiatric and intensive care nurse. They're both very rational and scientific and not at all woo-woo. Neither of them want the AZ vaccine.

It all seems a bit weird in Australia to be honest. I just doesn't make much sense. They're willing to shut down borders and endure all sorts of social and economic upheavel specifically to save older people, now the virus is almost eradicated in the country with virtually no news cases, they're suddenly in such a mad rush to open up that they're willing to use those same older folk as guinnea pigs?

It doesn't smell right. It's about $$$, not people. Of course ScoMo and the others in power all probably got the Pfizer injection, am I right? If that is the case, then that's the one everyone should get (or at least have the option).

Personally I would have got the AZ virus before I contracted coronavirus. But now I've had it, what is the risk of getting it again and infecting other people? What's the point of taking even an extremely low risk if I have the option of waiting for a better one?
So it doesn’t smell right. You complete dick, you’re a conspiracy monger, you might as well start blabbering about big pharma.
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Good on Primark

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