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Farva wrote:I’m not going to suggest the UK is in the same boat as Australia (although you are wrong in suggesting that Aus and NZ are in the middle of nowhere, did you forget about Asia?).
But surely you can see that policy in the UK has been all over the place meaning people have no idea of how to react?
OZ and NZ have so far managed the pandemic with speed of thought and deed and should be lauded. However if comparisons are going to be made with the UK then it's fair to say you were lucky in a sense you didn't have thousands of skiers returning home unwittingly infected with COVID from the European Continent at a time when all eyes were on China. There's also the interconnectivity of the UK with 10,000 foreign trucks a day passing through our ports and no practical way to avoid this. The virus became endemic right across Europe - we share the same Petri dish. Where the UK catastrophically failed was in shielding the most vulnerable.
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Those Indian traffic accidents are getting a little out of hand.
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Gospel wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:26 pm
Farva wrote:I’m not going to suggest the UK is in the same boat as Australia (although you are wrong in suggesting that Aus and NZ are in the middle of nowhere, did you forget about Asia?).
But surely you can see that policy in the UK has been all over the place meaning people have no idea of how to react?
OZ and NZ have so far managed the pandemic with speed of thought and deed and should be lauded. However if comparisons are going to be made with the UK then it's fair to say you were lucky in a sense you didn't have thousands of skiers returning home unwittingly infected with COVID from the European Continent at a time when all eyes were on China. There's also the interconnectivity of the UK with 10,000 foreign trucks a day passing through our ports and no practical way to avoid this. The virus became endemic right across Europe - we share the same Petri dish. Where the UK catastrophically failed was in shielding the most vulnerable.
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C69 wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:20 pm
Gospel wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:26 pm
Farva wrote:I’m not going to suggest the UK is in the same boat as Australia (although you are wrong in suggesting that Aus and NZ are in the middle of nowhere, did you forget about Asia?).
But surely you can see that policy in the UK has been all over the place meaning people have no idea of how to react?
OZ and NZ have so far managed the pandemic with speed of thought and deed and should be lauded. However if comparisons are going to be made with the UK then it's fair to say you were lucky in a sense you didn't have thousands of skiers returning home unwittingly infected with COVID from the European Continent at a time when all eyes were on China. There's also the interconnectivity of the UK with 10,000 foreign trucks a day passing through our ports and no practical way to avoid this. The virus became endemic right across Europe - we share the same Petri dish. Where the UK catastrophically failed was in shielding the most vulnerable.
Cheltenham
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hmmm

Nosocomial transmission.....


Hmmmmmm
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C69 wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:20 pm
Gospel wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:26 pm
Farva wrote:I’m not going to suggest the UK is in the same boat as Australia (although you are wrong in suggesting that Aus and NZ are in the middle of nowhere, did you forget about Asia?).
But surely you can see that policy in the UK has been all over the place meaning people have no idea of how to react?
OZ and NZ have so far managed the pandemic with speed of thought and deed and should be lauded. However if comparisons are going to be made with the UK then it's fair to say you were lucky in a sense you didn't have thousands of skiers returning home unwittingly infected with COVID from the European Continent at a time when all eyes were on China. There's also the interconnectivity of the UK with 10,000 foreign trucks a day passing through our ports and no practical way to avoid this. The virus became endemic right across Europe - we share the same Petri dish. Where the UK catastrophically failed was in shielding the most vulnerable.
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Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
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ovalball wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:53 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:20 pm
Gospel wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:26 pm
Farva wrote:I’m not going to suggest the UK is in the same boat as Australia (although you are wrong in suggesting that Aus and NZ are in the middle of nowhere, did you forget about Asia?).
But surely you can see that policy in the UK has been all over the place meaning people have no idea of how to react?
OZ and NZ have so far managed the pandemic with speed of thought and deed and should be lauded. However if comparisons are going to be made with the UK then it's fair to say you were lucky in a sense you didn't have thousands of skiers returning home unwittingly infected with COVID from the European Continent at a time when all eyes were on China. There's also the interconnectivity of the UK with 10,000 foreign trucks a day passing through our ports and no practical way to avoid this. The virus became endemic right across Europe - we share the same Petri dish. Where the UK catastrophically failed was in shielding the most vulnerable.
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hmmm
Eat Out to Help Out :x

Covid lows just a few weeks later. :nod:
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ovalball wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:53 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:20 pm
Gospel wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:26 pm
Farva wrote:I’m not going to suggest the UK is in the same boat as Australia (although you are wrong in suggesting that Aus and NZ are in the middle of nowhere, did you forget about Asia?).
But surely you can see that policy in the UK has been all over the place meaning people have no idea of how to react?
OZ and NZ have so far managed the pandemic with speed of thought and deed and should be lauded. However if comparisons are going to be made with the UK then it's fair to say you were lucky in a sense you didn't have thousands of skiers returning home unwittingly infected with COVID from the European Continent at a time when all eyes were on China. There's also the interconnectivity of the UK with 10,000 foreign trucks a day passing through our ports and no practical way to avoid this. The virus became endemic right across Europe - we share the same Petri dish. Where the UK catastrophically failed was in shielding the most vulnerable.
Cheltenham
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hmmm
Eat Out to Help Out :x

A nice meal out can give you time to reflect on moving India to the red list, especially if you're already busy trying to backdate payments for flat improvements
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Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
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Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.

“Rightly”

Vaccine doesn’t work
Only on the under 65’s
Only on the over 50’s
Not on the 50-55’s
Only on the over 60’s

What a fool.
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I thought AZ had actually been more effective than Pfizer in the UK.
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The US are finally going to release their AZ stocks to the world.

To think we had some U.K. posters just a few weeks ago claiming that the Indian Serum Institute had loads of spare vaccines that they were justified in taking.
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not_english wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:27 pm I thought AZ had actually been more effective than Pfizer in the UK.
Everything is more effective in the UK since Boris Johnson became PM.
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Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
Wasn't it the EU who blocked a shipment of AZ to Australia?
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Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
Haven't there, actually, been more AZ doses successfully produced than other vaccines ?
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ovalball wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:43 pm
Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
Haven't there, actually, been more AZ doses successfully produced than other vaccines ?
They're used in more countries than any other vaccine. The point stands, they overpromised and continue to do so on a daily basis.

One should be able to say that without detracting from the product or achievement developing it.
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Magpie26 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:34 pm
Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
Wasn't it the EU who blocked a shipment of AZ to Australia?
Italy. The EU don’t control ports
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Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:30 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:34 pm
Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
Wasn't it the EU who blocked a shipment of AZ to Australia?
Italy. The EU don’t control ports
They dont control the police or security services, and yet Von der Lying has had them raiding private businesses across the continent...
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Magpie26 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:34 pm
Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
Wasn't it the EU who blocked a shipment of AZ to Australia?
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Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:33 pm
not_english wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:27 pm I thought AZ had actually been more effective than Pfizer in the UK.
Everything is more effective in the UK since Boris Johnson became PM.
Well that certainly isn't true
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message #2527204 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:37 pm
They dont control the police or security services, and yet Von der Lying has had them raiding private businesses across the continent...
Bill Gates, the Illuminati and the EU army. :roll:
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CM11 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:21 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:43 pm
Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
Haven't there, actually, been more AZ doses successfully produced than other vaccines ?
They're used in more countries than any other vaccine. The point stands, they overpromised and continue to do so on a daily basis.

One should be able to say that without detracting from the product or achievement developing it.
Indeed, which is why I pointed out that AZ is still the most successfully produced vaccine.
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ovalball wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:07 pm Indeed, which is why I pointed out that AZ is still the most successfully produced vaccine.
They're being sued for not delivering.
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Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:17 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:07 pm Indeed, which is why I pointed out that AZ is still the most successfully produced vaccine.
They're being sued for not delivering.
What's the lawsuit hoping to achieve?
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guy smiley wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:56 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:34 pm
Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
Wasn't it the EU who blocked a shipment of AZ to Australia?
Bloody phone lost my post...

The EU didn’t block a shipment at all. The Aus govt lied about that to cover their earlier lies about securing vaccine supplies. Locally manufactured stocks were awaiting test results and the stock couldn’t be released pending that result. The Aus govt have since blocked the use of the AZ vaccine due to the clotting issue and don’t have adequate alternative supplies.
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guy smiley wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:17 pm
guy smiley wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:56 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:34 pm
Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
Wasn't it the EU who blocked a shipment of AZ to Australia?
Bloody phone lost my post...

The EU didn’t block a shipment at all. The Aus govt lied about that to cover their earlier lies about securing vaccine supplies. Locally manufactured stocks were awaiting test results and the stock couldn’t be released pending that result. The Aus govt have since blocked the use of the AZ vaccine due to the clotting issue and don’t have adequate alternative supplies.
“ Australia has raised the issue with the European Commission through multiple channels, and in particular we have asked the European Commission to review this decision,” Australian Health Minister Greg Hunt told reporters in Melbourne on Friday.

That’s a big lie, how’s he survived politically?

Blocked ?

This needs urgent updating then

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-a ... 19-vaccine
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It's party central in OZ with 82,000+ at the AFL games ... fair f*cks to them ! :thumbup:


BUT ... therefore bulk vaccine supply can wait a few more months to go there while we sort out India & many others where the real global need is right now ?

New Zealand and Australia are best in class for COVID19 virus isolation, but how can we afford to vaccinate white middle class folks on the Gold Coast while India is in death meltdown ?


It's a valid question as to why you would vaccinate the "safe" over those in dire need ? ... :?:
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guy smiley wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:17 pm
guy smiley wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:56 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:34 pm
Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
Wasn't it the EU who blocked a shipment of AZ to Australia?
Bloody phone lost my post...

The EU didn’t block a shipment at all. The Aus govt lied about that to cover their earlier lies about securing vaccine supplies. Locally manufactured stocks were awaiting test results and the stock couldn’t be released pending that result. The Aus govt have since blocked the use of the AZ vaccine due to the clotting issue and don’t have adequate alternative supplies.
Your phone has more shame than you.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56658501
So, who is to blame?
It isn't clear.
Australia's contradictory statements on the impact of the EU block on AstraZeneca supplies have left many confused.
Questions have also been raised over why the government failed to make contingency plans when it was warned about supply issues in January.
Experts say it has also been hard to assess Australia's vaccine progress given the lack of public information on the number of doses in the country or local production, though the government says it will look at providing better public data.
Still, critics note that the government had previously dismissed or failed to respond to concerns from frontline health workers.
Doctors administering the vaccine at clinics have spoken out about shortages, while the nation's GP union had also raised concerns.
Two state governments - New South Wales and Queensland - have accused the federal government of failing to provide certainty over how many vaccines would be delivered. This, in turn, slowed down scheduling appointments.
"We are so far behind every single commitment Scott Morrison and Greg Hunt has given to the Australian people," Labor opposition health minister Mark Butler said on Wednesday. "Surely, they must admit this is not going well."
Anyone familiar with Scott Morrison’s government will understand that confusion equates a smokescreen to disguise incompetence.

They lied.
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The bad news: a contractor my wife's company uses and who was in her office recently was tested positive and is in hospital, along with his wife and father.

The good news: my wife had a test yesterday and came back negative. :nod: :nod:
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guy smiley wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:00 am https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56658501
So, who is to blame?
It isn't clear.
Australia's contradictory statements on the impact of the EU block on AstraZeneca supplies have left many confused.
Questions have also been raised over why the government failed to make contingency plans when it was warned about supply issues in January.
Experts say it has also been hard to assess Australia's vaccine progress given the lack of public information on the number of doses in the country or local production, though the government says it will look at providing better public data.
Still, critics note that the government had previously dismissed or failed to respond to concerns from frontline health workers.
Doctors administering the vaccine at clinics have spoken out about shortages, while the nation's GP union had also raised concerns.
Two state governments - New South Wales and Queensland - have accused the federal government of failing to provide certainty over how many vaccines would be delivered. This, in turn, slowed down scheduling appointments.
"We are so far behind every single commitment Scott Morrison and Greg Hunt has given to the Australian people," Labor opposition health minister Mark Butler said on Wednesday. "Surely, they must admit this is not going well."
Anyone familiar with Scott Morrison’s government will understand that confusion equates a smokescreen to disguise incompetence.

They lied.
Well, apart from this bit from the same article
Australia then applied for the release of a much smaller batch in February. But in March, the European Commission blocked the shipment of 250,000 doses to Australia. It argued Australia had very low local infection rates and Europe's need was greater.
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They lied about their supposed 4 million doses being held back... or if they didn’t lie outright they managed a fog of misinformation which, my very good friend, we know is blatant lying. Clogs’ scale propaganda.
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Well look, I’m sold. You’re a persuader-machine

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guy smiley wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:00 am https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56658501
So, who is to blame?
It isn't clear.
Australia's contradictory statements on the impact of the EU block on AstraZeneca supplies have left many confused.
Questions have also been raised over why the government failed to make contingency plans when it was warned about supply issues in January.
Experts say it has also been hard to assess Australia's vaccine progress given the lack of public information on the number of doses in the country or local production, though the government says it will look at providing better public data.
Still, critics note that the government had previously dismissed or failed to respond to concerns from frontline health workers.
Doctors administering the vaccine at clinics have spoken out about shortages, while the nation's GP union had also raised concerns.
Two state governments - New South Wales and Queensland - have accused the federal government of failing to provide certainty over how many vaccines would be delivered. This, in turn, slowed down scheduling appointments.
"We are so far behind every single commitment Scott Morrison and Greg Hunt has given to the Australian people," Labor opposition health minister Mark Butler said on Wednesday. "Surely, they must admit this is not going well."
Anyone familiar with Scott Morrison’s government will understand that confusion equates a smokescreen to disguise incompetence.

They lied.
However in January, as European countries faced third waves, the EU issued an export ban on some vaccine orders. AstraZeneca warned Australia that it would only be able to supply about a third of the initial 3.8 million order.
Australia then applied for the release of a much smaller batch in February. But in March, the European Commission blocked the shipment of 250,000 doses to Australia. It argued Australia had very low local infection rates and Europe's need was greater.
At the time, Health Minister Greg Hunt said "one shipment" wouldn't affect Australia's rollout plans. The 250,000 doses had not even been factored into the first phase, he added.

From your link.
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Right,


So will U.K. restrictions finish on June 21st. ?

Covid marshals are being hired to start from July this year.


Who to believe.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:30 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:34 pm
Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:12 pm Vaccines are having a massive impact on infections in Israel and the UK. Israel had just 50 infections yesterday. The vaccine rollout program needs to accelerate! Cmon Australia, up your game!
Which vaccines have Australia bought?

Temper your expectations if you're relying on AZ. They're rightly being sued by European countries for over-promising and under-delivering on a massive scale which has messed up vaccination schedules and fed anti-vax paranoia.
Wasn't it the EU who blocked a shipment of AZ to Australia?
Italy. The EU don’t control ports
Australia then applied for the release of a much smaller batch in February. But in March, the European Commission blocked the shipment of 250,000 doses to Australia. It argued Australia had very low local infection rates and Europe's need was greater.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australi ... t%20plans.
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Frodder wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:16 pm
Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:17 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:07 pm Indeed, which is why I pointed out that AZ is still the most successfully produced vaccine.
They're being sued for not delivering.
What's the lawsuit hoping to achieve?
Damages of course
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Duff Paddy wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:57 am
Frodder wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:16 pm
Zico wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:17 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:07 pm Indeed, which is why I pointed out that AZ is still the most successfully produced vaccine.
They're being sued for not delivering.
What's the lawsuit hoping to achieve?
Damages of course
Have they pre-paid for the stock? If not then they're on rocky ground and the whole thing is pointless
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