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Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:36 pm
by Mr Mike
happyhooker wrote:Point of order. Almost nothing in that song is actually ironic
Apparently that was the song writer’s intentional irony, she thought it would be ironic that a song about irony had no irony.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:04 pm
by happyhooker
Nolanator wrote:
happyhooker wrote:Point of order. Almost nothing in that song is actually ironic
Is it ironic that it's named as such, in a meta-irony way?

What should it be called, Redundant?
"Person wails about bad luck then pretends it had a double meaning all along" would seem to cover most bases.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:06 pm
by Mahoney
Dying in the plane trip you took to conquer your fear of flight does seem to me to be a little ironic?

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:22 pm
by happyhooker
Mahoney wrote:Dying in the plane trip you took to conquer your fear of flight does seem to me to be a little ironic?
I thought he was just playing it safe, not scared of flight?

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:24 pm
by Mahoney
Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:28 pm
by A5D5E5
Mahoney wrote:Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
Did anybody else read that in their head as "soo-oo-oo-ootcase"?

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:28 pm
by happyhooker
Mahoney wrote:Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
Ah fairy muff. I must admit it's not a song where I felt the need to memorise the lyrics.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:38 pm
by AND-y
Anyone who dislikes Alanis and particularly Jagged Little Pill is a massive shit who know srofaam.

Also the word "irony" is evolving if it hasn't flat out evolved. That's language bitches.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:43 pm
by happyhooker
AND-y wrote:Anyone who dislikes Alanis and particularly Jagged Little Pill is a massive shit who know srofaam.

Also the word "irony" is evolving if it hasn't flat out evolved. That's language bitches.
Bless, you little ray of sunshine.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:59 pm
by 6.Jones
happyhooker wrote:Point of order. Almost nothing in that song is actually ironic
Well, that's what the irony nazis say. But they're wrong. They're almost all examples of the form called 'situational irony', which is where our plans are thwarted by capricious fate., and thus have the opposite effect to what we intended. The song itself, and its misguided reception, is also an example of situational irony. So fcuk you all. Signed, Alanis.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:09 pm
by AND-y
happyhooker wrote:
AND-y wrote:Anyone who dislikes Alanis and particularly Jagged Little Pill is a massive shit who know srofaam.

Also the word "irony" is evolving if it hasn't flat out evolved. That's language bitches.
Bless, you little ray of sunshine.
:) Still like ya

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:21 pm
by Blackrock Bullet
kiwinoz wrote:US Doctors give a different view to big Pharma. Banned by FB, YT and Google the best copy is on Brietbart. Where the correct HQC with Zinc etc is used it seems to have huge results.

Listen to the doctor at 5:25. If she is correct then we are being misled , if she is lying she should be deregistered. But the success rate, if true, is incredible.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/ ... onference/
All of this HQC stuff genuinely baffles me, on both sides.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:30 pm
by Blackrock Bullet
This is pretty crazy
The British public are putting more of a focus on protecting the economy than they were back in April. But a majority still want the Government to focus on saving lives, and things are swinging that way in other countries too as local spikes take place. (6/7)
Why might this be? One reason is that people over-state the prevalence of Covid-19. In the UK people think a fifth have had it, that one in ten people currently have it, and that 100x as many have died than actually have
https://www.kekstcnc.com/insights/covid ... -edition-4

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:19 pm
by Leinster in London
I was at the Red Rooster Festival two years ago. I had a great time, and heard some great music.
Even before covid they were becoming more controlling by introducing an armband if you want to bring your own booze. Fair play to them for pushing the boat out and trying to restart normality.
I'll probably give it a miss this year because of the restrictions on buying local and bringing my own beer.
There will also be a lot less socialising than last time. I do not see the campfire until dawn happening this year.

This is what it will look like.
As they say, they are small, and can probably get it to work (nearly).
Dearest Roosters,

Red Rooster is pleased to announce our Health and Safety measures and layout changes to ensure 2020 is not just an incredible weekend, but a safe one for our dearest audience.

We are creating a fully outdoor, managed environment so that you can enjoy a festival in the way you love, whilst we do all we can to keep you safe. Being a managed and monitored site doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy your Red Rooster weekend to the fullest extent. Attending Red Rooster is safer than spending your weekend going between the beaches, parks, indoor supermarkets and shopping centres.

We, as team Rooster, which includes you guys, have a duty of care to protect our loved ones and others around us. Just like when we go outside every day, there is a level of public responsibility to remain socially distanced so that we can keep everyone safe. Red Rooster is one of the only festivals that will be proceeding in 2020, and that’s because although we are a very small festival, behind it lies one of the highest levels of production teams in the country, and we have an audience that are responsible, incredible individuals. We are setting a precedent on how an event can operate safely in these crazy times, whilst still retaining the festival environment that we hold so dearly to our hearts. We need you to help us set this precedent.

But first. No one should attend the event if:
They are experiencing symptoms common to Covid19 (high temperature, continuous cough, loss of taste or smell)
They or anyone in their family has had symptoms in the last 14 days
They have been contacted by the official Test Trace Isolate Service
In all the above cases, people should isolate as necessary.

Just like we should all do before visiting loved ones, it is requested that all guests try to limit contact as much as possible by not attending busy indoor places for at least a week ahead of attending Red Rooster to be sure that their chances of having picked up the disease are limited.

To mitigate transmission and impact we expect everyone to remain vigilant and dedicated to the most Covid secure environment possible. Everyone must follow social distancing and hygiene measures in place throughout their stay on site.

Although we will provide greatly enhanced washing facilities and hand sanitiser on site, all guests should
bring:
Hand sanitiser and cleaning materials for their camping arrangements
Face coverings. You are required to wear these upon arrival until you are camped up, and when you use the bars or visit traders.
Over 80% of our audience are from the surrounding areas in Norfolk and Suffolk, but any supplies you need, you should get them from your local area where you live, rather than using local services around Red Rooster. This is to protect the local community.

At Red Rooster you must cohere with social distancing measures and always maintain social distancing of 2m with people you do not live with. To avoid risks of transmission and stay as safe as possible, you should:
Only socialise outdoors in a group of up to six people from different households, or in larger groups if everyone is exclusively from one or two households
Limit your interaction with anyone outside the group you are attending with, even if you see other people you know.
Wear a face covering if you cannot achieve 2m from anyone outside your group
We are blessed with ample space at Red Rooster that we don’t usually use, so the campsites will be much larger, allowing you to spread yourselves out, giving yourself much more space to camp out under the stars. For those that already know the festival, the main stage will now be a traditional festival outdoor main stage, moving to a large area between the King Charles iron gates and the Church. This will enable you to pop up your chair or your picnic blanket and keep at least 2m away from other groups.

Little Red Rooster stage is already an outdoor stage, so that you can sit down and enjoy the music whilst staying socially distanced. The Howlin’ Woods stage will now be an outdoor stage and will be positioned where the main stage usually is, in what will now be a fully outdoor arena. We will of course be providing shade tents and awnings dotted around the stages and festival, so that you can have some shade from the hot Indian Summer sun, or if we encounter a little rain.

In any busy areas such as entrances to the arena, there will be one way systems in place in order to keep you socially distanced. We ask that you take your time, queue responsibly and give your fellow Roosters the space they need.

Bars, Food and Retail Traders will have lines and hand sanitiser readily available, just like the supermarkets and shops so that you keep socially distanced and the same as we’ve all been used to since March. You should wear face coverings when queuing for drinks or food to keep those around you safe.

All lead ticket buyers will receive an email stating a window of arrival time when they should join us onsite.

These staggered arrival times will now start from 8am on Friday 4th September. Campervans of a certain size will be asked to arrive between a particular time window, other sizes of campervans at another time and family camping ticket holders at a separate time and so on. This is to help reduce having too many people in the same areas. Please make arrangements to ensure you are able to arrive within this time window. If you are unable to arrive within this window of time, please email arrivals@redrooster.org.uk and we will do our best to offer you an alternative time slot.

When you arrive, your vehicles will be separated into lines to be parked up. If it’s a hot day, leave your windows open, so you’re not cooking in your car. Once out of your car, and queuing for the box office/ticket checks, we shall ask you to carry out a temperature check. If you are over 38deg we will ask you to step aside and take a drink of water and relax for 10 minutes before undertaking the check again. Once clear of the temperature check, you will then get to the box office tent, your tickets will be checked, wristbands handed to you (not put on by us as we usually do, but we will ask you to put them on in front of us) and you’ll be able to set up your camping and get ready for the fantastic weekend ahead. If you’re in a live-in vehicle it’ll be the same process, but temperature and ticket checks will be conducted through an open window as far as possible. You will then be handed your wristbands through your vehicle window and then directed to park up for the weekend.

Those that have purchased the moonshine wristbands, which are required to bring your own alcohol onto the site, should collect these from the two moonshine tents located by the King Charles gates and the bridge into the arena respectively.

Portaloos at the festival are greatly increased in numbers, including additional full cleaning services throughout the day of individual portaloos, with running water cleaning stations throughout the festival and campsites, as well as hand sanitiser stations throughout the festival and campsites.

You should sanitise your hands before using toilets, and wash them after leaving. We recommend washing hands frequently throughout the day with soap and water as well as keeping your hands sanitised as much as possible, especially before eating. Good hand hygiene is of course key to preventing transmission of all sorts of diseases.

Be conscious of all common ‘touch points’ such as contactless card readers, work surfaces etc. Keep personal equipment such as phones, camping equipment for your sole use. Do not share equipment outside your household group. Traders will wipe all surfaces you may need to touch before handing it to you.

Cleaning staff throughout the site shall regularly wipe down tables and picnic benches, as well as other common touch points as far as we can identify. The virus tends to deactivate quickly on porous surfaces such as paper, card and wood. Bins will be emptied as frequently as necessary and touch points wiped.
Showers at the festival will be thoroughly cleaning throughout the weekend, and dotted around the different areas of campsites. We recommend using a disinfectant spray when you have finished. These shall be regularly disinfected.

VERY IMPORTANT: If you see people having fun together at Red Rooster, do not look down upon them for getting close. We are all aware that we need to say socially distanced from each other when not from the same household or social bubble. It is all of our responsibility to look after each other, and those sharing a special moment in these crazy times are aware of who to mix with. Simply place a smile upon them and remember the special moments of getting close and showing love to those around us. Join us in the sounds of drums, shredding guitar solos and soulful vocals, in our wonderful little home at Euston Hall.

The measures in place may be added to, subject to reflect government guidelines.

Remember to get your tickets from http://bit.ly/RedRoosterFest2020 to make sure you're able to join us for this much-needed party! We look forward to welcoming you to Euston Hall in September, and as ever we appreciate your ongoing support in these crazy times.

Love & Respect,

Red Rooster HQ

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:22 pm
by Duff Paddy
happyhooker wrote:Point of order. Almost nothing in that song is actually ironic
Not. A. Point. Of. Order.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:49 pm
by 4071
kiwinoz wrote:US Doctors give a different view to big Pharma. Banned by FB, YT and Google the best copy is on Brietbart. Where the correct HQC with Zinc etc is used it seems to have huge results.

Listen to the doctor at 5:25. If she is correct then we are being misled , if she is lying she should be deregistered. But the success rate, if true, is incredible.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/ ... onference/
It may be poisoning the well rather than engaging with her argument, but as she has only anecdote to go from, there's not much to engage with. However I do feel it worthwhile to point out that the doctor at 5:25 - Dr. Stella Immanuel - is a woman with some quite unusual beliefs.

She is the pastor at Firepower Ministries. Though the website is now offline, it has been archived: http://archive.is/G7wtb
Tormenting spirits are responsible for breaking marriages, hatred by earthly spouse serious gynecological problems, Marital distress, miscarriages, impotence, untold hardship, financial failure and general failure at the edge of breakthrough. In fact studies shows that seven out of ten people in the church are affected by these spirits. Everyone needs this information.

The Supernatural world is as real as the physical. What takes place in the spiritual realm affects us physically in our day to day lives.

The subject of the evil spiritual marriage has been grossly mis-understood by many people. While some hold erroneous views, others demonstrate partial knowledge of this all- important subject. The problem of evil marriage goes beyond dilettantish purposes.

Evil marriage is a deep subject. It affects many people. From our spiritual research and statistical findings, we have gathered that seven out of ten ladies who profess to be born again are involved, consciously or unconsciously, with evil spiritual marriage. In the same vein, seven out of every ten Christian men are, consciously or unconsciously, affected by evil spiritual marriages.

More than any other power, these spirits have destroyed marriages.

Many women suffer from astral sex regularly. Astral sex is the ability to project one’s spirit man into the victim’s body and have intercourse with it. This practice is very common amongst Satanists. They leave their physical bodies in a dormant state while they project their spirits into the body of whoever they want to have sex with.
Now, I'm not saying that any of this undermines her credibility. You may find her exceptionally credible and take her research entirely at face value. When she actually publishes it.

I remain slightly skeptical, however.


Oh, and here she is exhorting Christian Warriors to pray and fast in order to judge the witches who are attempting to bind Donald Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnOPlO1ooo

Again, I can't really draw any conclusions about her medical work from this. But it does nonetheless make me doubt the reliability of her research. You stick to your guns, though. These are the doctors on your side of the 'debate'.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:52 pm
by Short Man Syndrome
I always leave my body in a dormant state after sex. Like a light.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:11 pm
by 4071
More on Dr Immanuel.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-im ... hloroquine

Highlights:
Trump’s New Favorite COVID Doctor Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine


The president is pushing the coronavirus theories of a Houston doctor who also says sexual visitations by demons and alien DNA are at the root of Americans’ common health concerns.


She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.


Facebook and Twitter eventually deleted videos of Immanuel’s speech from their sites, citing rules against COVID-19 disinformation. The deletions set off yet another round of complaints by conservatives of bias at the social-media platforms. Immanuel responded in her own way, declaring that Jesus Christ would destroy Facebook’s servers if her videos weren’t restored to the platform.


Immanuel claims that medical issues like endometriosis, cysts, infertility, and impotence are caused by sex with “spirit husbands” and “spirit wives”—a phenomenon Immanuel describes essentially as witches and demons having sex with people in a dreamworld. “They are responsible for serious gynecological problems,” Immanuel said. “We call them all kinds of names—endometriosis, we call them molar pregnancies, we call them fibroids, we call them cysts, but most of them are evil deposits from the spirit husband,”

“They turn into a woman and then they sleep with the man and collect his sperm,” Immanuel said in her sermon. “Then they turn into the man and they sleep with a man and deposit the sperm and reproduce more of themselves.”


In a 2015 sermon that laid out a supposed Illuminati plan hatched by “a witch” to destroy the world using abortion, gay marriage, and children’s toys, among other things, Immanuel claimed that DNA from space aliens is currently being used in medicine. “They’re using all kinds of DNA, even alien DNA, to treat people,” Immanuel said.


Immanuel claimed in another 2015 sermon posted that scientists had plans to install microchips in people, and develop a “vaccine” to make it impossible to become religious. “They found the gene in somebody’s mind that makes you religious, so they can vaccinate against it,” Immanuel said.


Immanuel warned that the Disney Channel show Hannah Montana was a gateway to evil, because its character had an “alter ego.” She has claimed that schools teach children to meditate so they can “meet with demons.”

In the sermon, Immanuel preserved special vitriol for the Magic 8-Ball, a toy that can be shaken up to “reveal” any answer. Immanuel claims the otherwise innocuous Magic 8-Ball was in fact a scheme to get children used to witchcraft. “The 8-Ball was a psychic,” she said.


Immanuel’s oddball claims about the world extend to politics. She didn’t bring up this allegation publicly in Washington, but she has claimed that the American government is run in part by non-human reptilians. “There are people that are ruling this nation that are not even human,” Immanuel said in her 2015 Illuminati sermon, before launching into a conversation she had with a “reptilian spirit” she described as “half-human, half-ET.”


It’s also not clear that Immanuel has abided by her claims that face masks aren’t necessary. In her Washington speech, Immanuel claimed that she and her medical staff had avoided any COVID-19 infections while wearing only medical masks. But in two videos shot at her clinic, Immanuel appears to be wearing an N95 mask, which offers more protection.

Immanuel has also alleged that masks of all kinds are superfluous, because she says COVID-19 can be easily cured with hydroxychloroquine. But in a Facebook video advertising her clinic, Immanuel said anyone seeking treatment should wear a face mask before entering the clinic. “Wear a mask, or a scarf, or anything to cover your face,” Immanuel said in the video.


Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:22 pm
by 6.Jones
4071 wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:US Doctors give a different view to big Pharma. Banned by FB, YT and Google the best copy is on Brietbart. Where the correct HQC with Zinc etc is used it seems to have huge results.

Listen to the doctor at 5:25. If she is correct then we are being misled , if she is lying she should be deregistered. But the success rate, if true, is incredible.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/ ... onference/
It may be poisoning the well rather than engaging with her argument, but as she has only anecdote to go from, there's not much to engage with. However I do feel it worthwhile to point out that the doctor at 5:25 - Dr. Stella Immanuel - is a woman with some quite unusual beliefs.

She is the pastor at Firepower Ministries. Though the website is now offline, it has been archived: http://archive.is/G7wtb
Tormenting spirits are responsible for breaking marriages, hatred by earthly spouse serious gynecological problems, Marital distress, miscarriages, impotence, untold hardship, financial failure and general failure at the edge of breakthrough. In fact studies shows that seven out of ten people in the church are affected by these spirits. Everyone needs this information.

The Supernatural world is as real as the physical. What takes place in the spiritual realm affects us physically in our day to day lives.

The subject of the evil spiritual marriage has been grossly mis-understood by many people. While some hold erroneous views, others demonstrate partial knowledge of this all- important subject. The problem of evil marriage goes beyond dilettantish purposes.

Evil marriage is a deep subject. It affects many people. From our spiritual research and statistical findings, we have gathered that seven out of ten ladies who profess to be born again are involved, consciously or unconsciously, with evil spiritual marriage. In the same vein, seven out of every ten Christian men are, consciously or unconsciously, affected by evil spiritual marriages.

More than any other power, these spirits have destroyed marriages.

Many women suffer from astral sex regularly. Astral sex is the ability to project one’s spirit man into the victim’s body and have intercourse with it. This practice is very common amongst Satanists. They leave their physical bodies in a dormant state while they project their spirits into the body of whoever they want to have sex with.
Now, I'm not saying that any of this undermines her credibility. You may find her exceptionally credible and take her research entirely at face value. When she actually publishes it.

I remain slightly skeptical, however.


Oh, and here she is exhorting Christian Warriors to pray and fast in order to judge the witches who are attempting to bind Donald Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnOPlO1ooo

Again, I can't really draw any conclusions about her medical work from this. But it does nonetheless make me doubt the reliability of her research. You stick to your guns, though. These are the doctors on your side of the 'debate'.
I think that broadly speaking, posting spiritualist hokum in one place undermines your scientific credibility in others.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:31 pm
by 4071
6.Jones wrote: I think that broadly speaking, posting spiritualist hokum in one place undermines your scientific credibility in others.
:)

I am trying to be generous. I didn't want Kiwinoz to think I was simply dismissing the doctor he specifically pointed out from the video that (he claims) showed the view of US doctors as opposed to 'Big Pharma'. He is certainly impressed by the results of her studies, but I couldn't actually comment on them myself.


I certainly wasn't going to suggest that a single deranged conspiracy theorist (and liar, it turns out) undermined the credibility of a group of doctors brought together by a right-wing action group to push a narrative supported by the right-wing conspiracy theorist in the White House.

Maybe the rest of them are... normal?

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:50 pm
by puku
Enough of this beating around the bush, 4071.
Overall, we rate America’s Frontline Doctors a quackery level pseudoscience website based on the promotion of false or misleading information regarding Coronavirus that does not align with the consensus of science
.

Sadly, their (America’s Frontline Doctors) website has now expired. I guess the Tea Party Patriots pulled the plug.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:51 pm
by puku
Short Man Syndrome wrote:I always leave my body in a dormant state after sex. Like a light.
You and me both buddy, you and me both.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:19 pm
by 4071
puku wrote:Enough of this beating around the bush, 4071.
Overall, we rate America’s Frontline Doctors a quackery level pseudoscience website based on the promotion of false or misleading information regarding Coronavirus that does not align with the consensus of science
.

Sadly, their (America’s Frontline Doctors) website has now expired. I guess the Tea Party Patriots pulled the plug.
And whilst it's funny that this latest bit of nonsense got so rapidly debunked, it's also concerning that it happened at all. Because this wasn't just a fringe group of lunatics - Tea Party Patriots is a mainstream conservative activist group and the disinformation video itself was retweeted by the President.

There are a lot of guillble people with poor (or absent) critical thinking skills that get duped by stuff like this, and when it's debunked and blocked they regard it as suppression of the truth. This video will be the new Plandemic. Complete nonsense, but shared and believed and fuel not only to the conspiracy theorists but also relatively normal conservatives. And that fuels their resistance to science and evidence, their pretend culture war and all the other madness that is increasingly the hallmark of the Right. Not just in the US, but - increasingly - around the world.

They are a danger not only to themselves, but to others.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:32 pm
by Leinster in London
“They turn into a woman and then they sleep with the man and collect his sperm,” Immanuel said in her sermon. “Then they turn into the man and they sleep with a man and deposit the sperm and reproduce more of themselves.”
Should she not be struck off for this?
It is so ignorant it is beyond belief.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:50 am
by CrazyIslander
4071 wrote:
puku wrote:Enough of this beating around the bush, 4071.
Overall, we rate America’s Frontline Doctors a quackery level pseudoscience website based on the promotion of false or misleading information regarding Coronavirus that does not align with the consensus of science
.

Sadly, their (America’s Frontline Doctors) website has now expired. I guess the Tea Party Patriots pulled the plug.
And whilst it's funny that this latest bit of nonsense got so rapidly debunked, it's also concerning that it happened at all. Because this wasn't just a fringe group of lunatics - Tea Party Patriots is a mainstream conservative activist group and the disinformation video itself was retweeted by the President.

There are a lot of guillble people with poor (or absent) critical thinking skills that get duped by stuff like this, and when it's debunked and blocked they regard it as suppression of the truth. This video will be the new Plandemic. Complete nonsense, but shared and believed and fuel not only to the conspiracy theorists but also relatively normal conservatives. And that fuels their resistance to science and evidence, their pretend culture war and all the other madness that is increasingly the hallmark of the Right. Not just in the US, but - increasingly - around the world.

They are a danger not only to themselves, but to others.
Dr Gold sounded like an evil doctor from a horror movie.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:57 am
by Enzedder
Has this been posted?

Image

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:05 am
by shanky
OMG Enz

where is that from?
:shock:

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:47 am
by Enzedder
From one of Whitbags's friends on Stalkbook

https://www.facebook.com/Dr.Jeff.Hester/

The original post is here
https://www.facebook.com/82760339396708 ... 944085876/

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:49 am
by shanky
thanks

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:15 am
by 4071
Enzedder wrote:From one of Whitbags's friends on Stalkbook

https://www.facebook.com/Dr.Jeff.Hester/

The original post is here
https://www.facebook.com/82760339396708 ... 944085876/
That's a very interesting thread.

The first poster is not jumping to conclusions and getting hysterical - he is laying out a series of facts, proposing a hypothesis that explains the data and asking people to challenge the data and try to find alternative hypotheses. He's not hiding any data in order to make a weak case seem stronger, but actually using the scientific method in order to try and get to the most likely explanation.

A stark contrast to so many conspiracy theories on the internet that are born of wild assumptions, cherry-picking data and (very often) false evidence.

I do hope that this gets analysed further and picked up by a few mainstream media. Who then treat it the same way, rather than getting all hysterical (so not CNN or MSNBC).

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:29 am
by CM11
Very interesting. What a fücked up place the US is.

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:40 pm
by Duff Paddy
Very entertaining video for the few remaining Anti-maskers message and the lads

https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:09 pm
by Santa
Some interesting thoughts from the BC CDC.
B.C. health officials are recommending an age-old, occasionally cutting-edge tactic for sex during the coronavirus pandemic: “glory holes.”

The B.C. Centre for Disease Control added new recommendations for socially distant sex to its COVID-19 website this week. One of those tips was to try using a “glory hole” — a hole cut into a wall that’s only large enough for a penis to slip through.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7204384/coro ... holes-sex/

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:47 pm
by ovalball
Duff Paddy wrote:Very entertaining video for the few remaining Anti-maskers message and the lads

https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA
:thumbup: :thumbup:

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:22 pm
by dargotronV.1
Image

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:37 pm
by shanky
:lol:

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:19 pm
by CM11
Brilliant!

Well not! But still :lol:

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:59 pm
by eldanielfire
dargotronV.1 wrote:Image
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:18 pm
by terryfinch
Virus vs Humans - you’d have to say virus is currently winning. :((

Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:53 pm
by Blackrock Bullet
Enzedder wrote:From one of Whitbags's friends on Stalkbook

https://www.facebook.com/Dr.Jeff.Hester/

The original post is here
https://www.facebook.com/82760339396708 ... 944085876/
The virus has been shown to burn out eventually, I don't find his argument compelling tbh. the rate of growth in a lot of red States had been falling off for several weeks prior to the handover in testing and as it happens and there are some delays still in reporting. Why does he just ignore the possibility of social distancing and restrictions making an impact?

He doesn't do any slope analysis of when the Blue States peak hit their peak in April and then started to fall off vs. Red States which stayed the same. There would have been a similar looking +/- then. Similarly in early June the Red State line comes off the steady leveling whilst Blue States continues to fall. He has the lines there at the end of his video but only compared two weeks in reality.

It seems to be very difficult to do that level of analysis otherwise, and to also look at testing levels throughout. You also just can't ignore the geographic reality of this.

There are far more obvious failures to get excited about as regards test waits, local infrastructure etc. I guess we'll see as he suggests the "fix" started two weeks ago, hospitalisations admittance will be the tell.