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Enzedder wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:11 am

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:45 am

Enzedder wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:40 am Wouldn't it be great if the fuckwit under 40s could be vaccinated - then they wouldn't catch it and pass it on to the vulnerable.

Why not expose them to the virus instead as it readily available today and the under 40s are rarely impacted unless they have an existing underlying condition ? Probably cheaper and easier to distribute than the vaccine.

There will be some side-effects, but you haven't tried the hastily developed vaccines yet ...

Yeah, we could have games of rugby and invite all the under 40s to watch.

Do you know any teams which may turn up?

Singapore, October 20

Researchers in Singapore have developed a breath test to detect Covid-19 within a minute. The authorities are working on a roadmap for the third phase of easing of safety measures in the country.


A person would have to blow into a disposable mouthpiece connected to a “high-precision breath sampler”, according to the National University of Singapore researchers. The test, which detects Volatile Organic Compounds (VOC) in a person’s breath, achieved more than 90 per cent accuracy in a clinical trial involving 180 patients.

The exhaled breath is then collected and fed into a mass spectrometer for measurement. A machine learning software subsequently analyses the VOC profile and generates the result in less than a minute. — PTI

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:52 am Define 90% accuracy?

Biggest issue would be false positives but if that means 10% of positives get through while no negatives get inconvenienced, that would still be really helpful in conjunction with other measures.

Clogs wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:58 am

CM11 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:52 am Define 90% accuracy?

Biggest issue would be false positives but if that means 10% of positives get through while no negatives get inconvenienced, that would still be really helpful in conjunction with other measures.

That or for high infection zones in Europe, you can immediately quarantine and contact trace the positive results and then proceed with the remaining negatives to the antibody tests just for accuracy and certainty.
1 you immediately quarantine those that pose most risk and
2 you still perform the regular check that takes time, but you reduce the overall testing which can speed up the existing process and with the reduced volume improve turnaround times overall.

Definitely has positives.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:29 pm Interesting: studies conducted in the UK and the US would indicate that death rates have dropped 20% roughly.

Hypothesis are these numbers are driven by better care (Doctors now have well established routines to deal with patients, they identify better those at risk of developing a severe form of the disease), hospitals not being saturated, and masks wearing.

Whatever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:43 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:29 pm Interesting: studies conducted in the UK and the US would indicate that death rates have dropped 20% roughly.

Hypothesis are these numbers are driven by better care (Doctors now have well established routines to deal with patients, they identify better those at risk of developing a severe form of the disease), hospitals not being saturated, and masks wearing.

Well maybe in Bethesda... I go cycling on the Rock Creek trail, which is just about 6 feet wide in most places, which would be good if everyone keeps single-file to the edge and wear masks. But they don't. I would estimate only 25% of walkers wear masks, and very few runners do (and they aspirate the most). And this isn't exactly a Trump heartland. Madness, I just don't get it - what can't people understand here, that they do everywhere else in the world?

EverReady wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:41 pm Yeah no runners wear masks here and it isn't even part of a narrative now. Certainly in the early days people were pissed off with runners breathing but that has subsided

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:13 am New record for confirmed infections in a single day

490,059

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And I fear the worst is yet to come

Thousands of self-confessed nerds packed into Auckland’s ASB Showgrounds on Saturday, for the Armageddon Expo – the largest event in New Zealand since before the lockdowns.

Whatever wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:21 am

EverReady wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:41 pm Yeah no runners wear masks here and it isn't even part of a narrative now. Certainly in the early days people were pissed off with runners breathing but that has subsided

Well I run when I am injury-free, cycle when I'm not. There is nothing I enjoy more in these Covid times than a panting, sweating, maskless runner passing just 2 feet away from me. Might as well just spit in my face. If indeed the UK actually did say runners don't have to wear masks then that would really be diagnostic of their failure. Fortunately I don't believe that particular poster.

Farva wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:57 am Here in Melbourne, we have extraordinary talent strict measures. But we don’t need to wear a mask when running.

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 am

Whatever wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:21 am

EverReady wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:41 pm Yeah no runners wear masks here and it isn't even part of a narrative now. Certainly in the early days people were pissed off with runners breathing but that has subsided

Well I run when I am injury-free, cycle when I'm not. There is nothing I enjoy more in these Covid times than a panting, sweating, maskless runner passing just 2 feet away from me. Might as well just spit in my face. If indeed the UK actually did say runners don't have to wear masks then that would really be diagnostic of their failure. Fortunately I don't believe that particular poster.

All advice is to remove race covering when exercising

goeagles wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:36 am

YOYO wrote:

fishfoodie wrote:So have the clusterfuck Administration, & their fluffers explained, why it is that of all the Countries in the world with COVID-19 outbreak; no-one else considers the WHO's advice to have been such a problem ?

Or even how it is that some of them; like south Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc; managed to control their outbreaks so much better than the US ?

It's almost as if individual nation states need to have their own health departments, & make their own decisions, within a framework of the WHO surveillance.

Well Trump axed the U.S’s pandemic response team in 2018 as part of a cost saving exercise. What a mong move.

And yet despite that, despite our awful health care system (according to many posters here), despite Trump being the worst Western leader on this (also according to many posters here) and despite everything else, we have deaths per capita more than twice as low as the UK, lower than Ireland and 3-5 times lower than the major Latin nations. And all that despite having an initial outbreak around the same time as Italy. Cognitive dissonance abounds.

bimboman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:48 pm

Whatever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:43 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:29 pm Interesting: studies conducted in the UK and the US would indicate that death rates have dropped 20% roughly.

Hypothesis are these numbers are driven by better care (Doctors now have well established routines to deal with patients, they identify better those at risk of developing a severe form of the disease), hospitals not being saturated, and masks wearing.

Well maybe in Bethesda... I go cycling on the Rock Creek trail, which is just about 6 feet wide in most places, which would be good if everyone keeps single-file to the edge and wear masks. But they don't. I would estimate only 25% of walkers wear masks, and very few runners do (and they aspirate the most). And this isn't exactly a Trump heartland. Madness, I just don't get it - what can't people understand here, that they do everywhere else in the world?

Runners in the UK are specifically not to wear masks.

Santa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden.

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am

Santa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden.

You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....

6.Jones wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:15 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am

Santa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden.

You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....

He's a biophysicist. Hey, I thought you were against scientists from other fields having opinions about epidemiology?

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am

Santa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden.

You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....

ovalball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am

Santa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden.

You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....

Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.

ovalball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am

Santa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden.

You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....

Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.

6.Jones wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:25 am

ovalball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am

Santa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden.

You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....

Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.

He should still be allowed to speak. That kind of academic posturing is disgraceful.

ovalball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:28 am

6.Jones wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:25 am

ovalball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am

Santa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden.

You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....

Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.

He should still be allowed to speak. That kind of academic posturing is disgraceful.

He is allowed to speak - doesn't mean they have to afford him a prestigious platform.

ovalball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:28 am

6.Jones wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:25 am

ovalball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am

Santa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden.

You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....

Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.

He should still be allowed to speak. That kind of academic posturing is disgraceful.

He is allowed to speak - doesn't mean they have to afford him a prestigious platform.

ovalball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:28 am

6.Jones wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:25 am

ovalball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am

Santa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am I see Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt has been de-keynote speakered from the 1st International BioDesign Research Conference due to colleaguea complaining aboit his covid ideas. Yay science. Vote Biden.

You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....

Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.

He should still be allowed to speak. That kind of academic posturing is disgraceful.

He is allowed to speak - doesn't mean they have to afford him a prestigious platform.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:37 pm

ovalball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:28 am

6.Jones wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:25 am

ovalball wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 am



You can see it on here, “my favourite epidemiologist “ .....

Didn't he claim that the pandemic was over, on 22 Aug, in the US - since when they've had another 50K deaths !!!!!

He's not an epidemiologist though.

He should still be allowed to speak. That kind of academic posturing is disgraceful.

He is allowed to speak - doesn't mean they have to afford him a prestigious platform.

But who should approve who speaks or not? He's a Nobel prize winner, he isn't a crank. He should be afforded a platform and if necessary challenged.

If only mainstream thoughts were accepted, the ideas of Darwin, Alfred Wegner, Mendel, Tesla etc would never be accepted.

Santa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:58 pm It is intetesting how thia notion of scientific consensus seems to be spreading (see below) and then used as a way to shut people out.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... X/fulltext

The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 is several-fold higher than that of seasonal influenza,2 and infection can lead to persisting illness, including in young, previously healthy people (ie, long COVID).3

Muttonbirds wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:42 am

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:13 am New record for confirmed infections in a single day

490,059

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And I fear the worst is yet to come

Might be horrible here too in a couple of weeks. They let Fillipino ship works fly in without mandatory quarantine who then infected a local electrical engineer who then infected others.

Then they decided to do this in the same city:

Thousands of self-confessed nerds packed into Auckland’s ASB Showgrounds on Saturday, for the Armageddon Expo – the largest event in New Zealand since before the lockdowns.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/3 ... o-auckland

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:02 pm

Muttonbirds wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:42 am

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:13 am New record for confirmed infections in a single day

490,059

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And I fear the worst is yet to come

Might be horrible here too in a couple of weeks. They let Fillipino ship works fly in without mandatory quarantine who then infected a local electrical engineer who then infected others.

Then they decided to do this in the same city:

Thousands of self-confessed nerds packed into Auckland’s ASB Showgrounds on Saturday, for the Armageddon Expo – the largest event in New Zealand since before the lockdowns.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/3 ... o-auckland

Not quite right - they went into quarantine until they could be placed in the boat. The worker was in PPE gear but obviously wasn't careful enough.

Armageddon seemed like a clusterf### - I think they needed to limit numbers so if anyone got into that with the virus, we could be in a spot of bother alright.

bimboman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:44 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:37 pmBut who should approve who speaks or not? He's a Nobel prize winner, he isn't a crank. He should be afforded a platform and if necessary challenged.

If only mainstream thoughts were accepted, the ideas of Darwin, Alfred Wegner, Mendel, Tesla etc would never be accepted.

Zing.