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I like their big name AMERICAS FRONTLINE DOCTORS. I don't know about you but I trust them that little bit more than all the other 'researchers'


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US Doctors give a different view to big Pharma. Banned by FB, YT and Google the best copy is on Brietbart. Where the correct HQC with Zinc etc is used it seems to have huge results.

Listen to the doctor at 5:25. If she is correct then we are being misled , if she is lying she should be deregistered. But the success rate, if true, is incredible.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/

Just seen this one, you do make me laugh, you swallow any old shit without an indication of a single critical faculty.

This group of doctors believe vaccines are used to stop people being religious ffs, the guy is a loon if he thinks this is a reliable source.


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US Doctors give a different view to big Pharma. Banned by FB, YT and Google the best copy is on Brietbart. Where the correct HQC with Zinc etc is used it seems to have huge results.

Listen to the doctor at 5:25. If she is correct then we are being misled , if she is lying she should be deregistered. But the success rate, if true, is incredible.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/

Just seen this one, you do make me laugh, you swallow any old shit without an indication of a single critical faculty.

This group of doctors believe vaccines are used to stop people being religious ffs, the guy is a loon if he thinks this is a reliable source.

Kiwinoz is a conspiracy loon.


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We need a list of conspiracy loons so we know who to ignore from the get-go.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:29 am 
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FFS Breitbart...

Might as well get your news from Viz.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:08 am 
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I like their big name AMERICAS FRONTLINE DOCTORS. I don't know about you but I trust them that little bit more than all the other 'researchers'

Typo.

Was meant to be AMERICA'S FRONTBUM DOCTORS.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:18 am 
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FFS Breitbart...

Might as well get your news from Viz.

Where ARE the right going to get their officially sanctioned news from, if not from Breitbart and Infowars?

Fox News doesn't seem to be on-message any more.


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FFS Breitbart...

Might as well get your news from Viz.


Don't sully the Viz.


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Anyways, had an email off the NHS asking if I'd take part in some trials. Given how busier we are when I return to work, plus the fact I'm shielding I won't take the rick. But good to see Bryan Cranston is donating his plasma to Covid-19 research

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53605724


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I like their big name AMERICAS FRONTLINE DOCTORS. I don't know about you but I trust them that little bit more than all the other 'researchers'

Typo.

Was meant to be AMERICA'S FRONTBUM DOCTORS.



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UK biobank results for their first month antibody testing is out

https://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk/2020/07/uk-biobank-reveals-substantial-variation-in-rates-of-previous-covid-19-infection-across-the-uk/


Looks as though the scots were hardly touched by the virus, (along with the south west) compared with the rest of country.


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Seems a very odd time to be ending the shielding of highly vulnerable people - with yesterday having the highest number of new recorded cases for over a month (and 120 deaths).


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Nolanator wrote:
We need a list of conspiracy loons so we know who to ignore from the get-go.

That would constitute a conspiracy, vindicating the loons and rendering the list obsolete.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:17 am 
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154,034 tests were processed for today’s data.

Last Friday, 134,293 tests were processed.

Nearly 20,000 more tests processed have resulted in 110 more cases.



And I absolutely guarantee 120 people did not die in the UK yesterday from or with the virus.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:19 am 
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Hi Bimbo, what's today's jews?


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Hi Bimbo, what's today's jews?


Jew think he'll be around for long this time?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:38 am 
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UK biobank results for their first month antibody testing is out

https://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk/2020/07/uk-biobank-reveals-substantial-variation-in-rates-of-previous-covid-19-infection-across-the-uk/


Looks as though the scots were hardly touched by the virus, (along with the south west) compared with the rest of country.


My confusion with these numbers that are coming from antibody studies is that they suggest significantly higher infection fatality rates than most of the other research has suggested. Those numbers would suggest an IFR of 1.7% in Scotland.


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UK biobank results for their first month antibody testing is out

https://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk/2020/07/uk-biobank-reveals-substantial-variation-in-rates-of-previous-covid-19-infection-across-the-uk/


Looks as though the scots were hardly touched by the virus, (along with the south west) compared with the rest of country.


My confusion with these numbers that are coming from antibody studies is that they suggest significantly higher infection fatality rates than most of the other research has suggested. Those numbers would suggest an IFR of 1.7% in Scotland.

The overall number kind of makes sense though. IFR of around 1% given 45k deaths.


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Biffer29 wrote:
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UK biobank results for their first month antibody testing is out

https://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk/2020/07/uk-biobank-reveals-substantial-variation-in-rates-of-previous-covid-19-infection-across-the-uk/


Looks as though the scots were hardly touched by the virus, (along with the south west) compared with the rest of country.


My confusion with these numbers that are coming from antibody studies is that they suggest significantly higher infection fatality rates than most of the other research has suggested. Those numbers would suggest an IFR of 1.7% in Scotland.


I guess it depends where the virus was. This just gives an overall picture, whereas the hotspots were obviously in cities.
In care homes and hospitals, you'd expect it to be higher.


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Biffer29 wrote:
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UK biobank results for their first month antibody testing is out

https://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk/2020/07/uk-biobank-reveals-substantial-variation-in-rates-of-previous-covid-19-infection-across-the-uk/


Looks as though the scots were hardly touched by the virus, (along with the south west) compared with the rest of country.


My confusion with these numbers that are coming from antibody studies is that they suggest significantly higher infection fatality rates than most of the other research has suggested. Those numbers would suggest an IFR of 1.7% in Scotland.


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2006/jan/21/health.politics


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Some fairly conclusive [although not yet peer reviewed] science on aerosol transmission: "How, exactly, does the virus move through a community, a building or a small group of people? Which modes of transmission should concern us most, and how might we stop them?"

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20153049v1

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/heal ... e=Homepage


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Crazy big protests in Berlin against Masks. estimates from tens of thousands to half a million to a million and a half. I mean of all the things, protesting masks saving lives in a pandemic:

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They are fake. First one is Zurich


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They are fake. First one is Zurich


Ah. Thanks. Is this oen real?

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Yeah that looks like Berlin


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https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-cases-in-england-arent-rising-heres-why/

Very interesting.


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6.Jones wrote:
Some fairly conclusive [although not yet peer reviewed] science on aerosol transmission: "How, exactly, does the virus move through a community, a building or a small group of people? Which modes of transmission should concern us most, and how might we stop them?"

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20153049v1

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/heal ... e=Homepage


Great news that we finally have evidence of the transmission modes relative importance.

TL;DR
Hand washing and surface cleaning of lesser importance.
Masks and physical distancing of greater importance. (with obvious acknowledgement masks are only partially effective)

Still makes sense to do both.


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Yeah that looks like Berlin

It was very nice
Candlelight and dubonnet on ice


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So false positives?


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Yeah that looks like Berlin

It was very nice
Candlelight and dubonnet on ice


Nice effort


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Uber Alles! Uber Alles!


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Uber Alles! Uber Alles!

Come clean. You own Jello Biafra T-shirt, don’t you.


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From one of Whitbags's friends on Stalkbook

https://www.facebook.com/Dr.Jeff.Hester/

The original post is here
https://www.facebook.com/82760339396708 ... 944085876/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2O5ZG7g77s

He has withdrawn his original post. In fairness to him, he has acknowledged a mistake he made. He did not look at it excluding Texas and Florida. I would say that is sloppy from him but he had made it out like he had looked at it from all angles plotting the different States. Again though, he did not look at relative curves at other points in the pandemic curve between Red and Blue states, he'd have found similar looking mad distributions.


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A cautionary tale for school opening enthusiasts:

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Confident it had beaten the coronavirus and desperate to reboot a devastated economy, the Israeli government invited the entire student body back in late May.

Within days, infections were reported at a Jerusalem high school, which quickly mushroomed into the largest outbreak in a single school in Israel, possibly the world.

The virus rippled out to the students’ homes and then to other schools and neighborhoods, ultimately infecting hundreds of students, teachers and relatives.

Other outbreaks forced hundreds of schools to close. Across the country, tens of thousands of students and teachers were quarantined.

Israel’s advice for other countries?

“They definitely should not do what we have done,” said Eli Waxman, a professor at the Weizmann Institute of Science and chairman of the team advising Israel’s National Security Council on the pandemic. “It was a major failure.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/worl ... e=Homepage


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A cautionary tale for school opening enthusiasts:

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Confident it had beaten the coronavirus and desperate to reboot a devastated economy, the Israeli government invited the entire student body back in late May.

Within days, infections were reported at a Jerusalem high school, which quickly mushroomed into the largest outbreak in a single school in Israel, possibly the world.

The virus rippled out to the students’ homes and then to other schools and neighborhoods, ultimately infecting hundreds of students, teachers and relatives.

Other outbreaks forced hundreds of schools to close. Across the country, tens of thousands of students and teachers were quarantined.

Israel’s advice for other countries?

“They definitely should not do what we have done,” said Eli Waxman, a professor at the Weizmann Institute of Science and chairman of the team advising Israel’s National Security Council on the pandemic. “It was a major failure.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/worl ... e=Homepage



Thanks for that, a sobering read. While I've generally been more in the re-open the schools camp, this makes me waver a little. Both my kids head back in little over a month. I'm not terribly nervous for them, given how young adults seem to have fared so far, but more for the teachers, and for the potential for it to spread quickly well beyond the schools, as this story illustrates so well. Undoing all the good work (locally I mean).

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Smaller classes, mask wearing, keeping desks six feet apart and providing adequate ventilation, they say, are likely to be crucial until a vaccine is available.


Leaders get no small amount of sympathy from me, there are no easy answers in this. I agree with the last guy in the article that a year without school (on top of the amount already effectively missed) isn't an option either.

Haven't a few of the European continental countries re-opened schools relatively successfully? It would be interesting to read about their efforts, what's worked for them, their challenges, and what they'd do differently if they could do it again.

Edit: Went looking and found this WaPo article on my exact question - experiences in other countries, and they mention the Israeli experience which seems to be the exception:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/schools-reopening-coronavirus/2020/07/10/865fb3e6-c122-11ea-8908-68a2b9eae9e0_story.html

Mind you the article is from almost a month ago, and with this virus a lot of things change in that timeframe.


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6.Jones wrote:
Some fairly conclusive [although not yet peer reviewed] science on aerosol transmission: "How, exactly, does the virus move through a community, a building or a small group of people? Which modes of transmission should concern us most, and how might we stop them?"

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20153049v1

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/heal ... e=Homepage


It seems that distancing and good ventilation are critical, but also masks should be compulsory. But what sort of masks, decent surgical masks or respirators (masks) that protect the wearer rather than the potential receiver?


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Leaders get no small amount of sympathy from me, there are no easy answers in this. I agree with the last guy in the article that a year without school (on top of the amount already effectively missed) isn't an option either.


Absolutely. There are no easy answers. Home schooling does work though. Many kids in remote Australia don't see the inside of a school until boarding school, and only then if their parents are rich graziers, as opposed to the itinerant workers. Parents, teachers and communities have to all be committed to the process. We have better tech now by a huge margin than in the past.


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6.Jones wrote:
A cautionary tale for school opening enthusiasts:

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Confident it had beaten the coronavirus and desperate to reboot a devastated economy, the Israeli government invited the entire student body back in late May.

Within days, infections were reported at a Jerusalem high school, which quickly mushroomed into the largest outbreak in a single school in Israel, possibly the world.

The virus rippled out to the students’ homes and then to other schools and neighborhoods, ultimately infecting hundreds of students, teachers and relatives.

Other outbreaks forced hundreds of schools to close. Across the country, tens of thousands of students and teachers were quarantined.

Israel’s advice for other countries?

“They definitely should not do what we have done,” said Eli Waxman, a professor at the Weizmann Institute of Science and chairman of the team advising Israel’s National Security Council on the pandemic. “It was a major failure.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/worl ... e=Homepage


This is so valid for Victoria. We had 2 weeks to go until school holidays in Quarantine Mk1 and all kids were sent back to school. Rather than simply continue on at home for 2 more weeks and then have school holidays. I remarked at the time that this could prove to be a very costly mistake...


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Leaders get no small amount of sympathy from me, there are no easy answers in this. I agree with the last guy in the article that a year without school (on top of the amount already effectively missed) isn't an option either.


Absolutely. There are no easy answers. Home schooling does work though. Many kids in remote Australia don't see the inside of a school until boarding school, and only then if their parents are rich graziers, as opposed to the itinerant workers. Parents, teachers and communities have to all be committed to the process. We have better tech now by a huge margin than in the past.




Yeah, let’s use the example of this tiny minority to make children learn at home.


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Leaders get no small amount of sympathy from me, there are no easy answers in this. I agree with the last guy in the article that a year without school (on top of the amount already effectively missed) isn't an option either.


Absolutely. There are no easy answers. Home schooling does work though. Many kids in remote Australia don't see the inside of a school until boarding school, and only then if their parents are rich graziers, as opposed to the itinerant workers. Parents, teachers and communities have to all be committed to the process. We have better tech now by a huge margin than in the past.




Yeah, let’s use the example of this tiny minority to make children learn at home.


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