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bimboman wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Morgan14 wrote:
Leaders get no small amount of sympathy from me, there are no easy answers in this. I agree with the last guy in the article that a year without school (on top of the amount already effectively missed) isn't an option either.
Absolutely. There are no easy answers. Home schooling does work though. Many kids in remote Australia don't see the inside of a school until boarding school, and only then if their parents are rich graziers, as opposed to the itinerant workers. Parents, teachers and communities have to all be committed to the process. We have better tech now by a huge margin than in the past.


Yeah, let’s use the example of this tiny minority to make children learn at home.
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Rent free.
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Local health protection teams continue to be more successful than call centre workers at reaching close contacts of people who have tested positive for Covid-19, according to the latest data.

For cases handled by local teams, 98.0% of close contacts of people who tested positive have been reached and asked to self-isolate, according to figures from the Department of Health and Social Care.

How does test-and-trace work?
But for those cases handled either online or by call centres, 56.1% of close contacts have been reached and asked to self-isolate.

The figures were released shortly after the boss of outsourcing company Serco, which one of several companies managing contact tracers, defended its record.

Senior officials insist the Test and Trace programme is not at odds with local systems, and is working in partnership with local authorities and their local health protection teams.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 56866.html
Fifty million masks that were meant to be used by the NHS now cannot be worn by staff because of safety issues, the government has admitted.

The FFP2 masks ordered by the government have ear loops instead of head loops, meaning there is a risk they would not be secure enough.
:lol:
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EverReady wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 56866.html
Fifty million masks that were meant to be used by the NHS now cannot be worn by staff because of safety issues, the government has admitted.

The FFP2 masks ordered by the government have ear loops instead of head loops, meaning there is a risk they would not be secure enough.
:lol:
They were part of a package that cost £252,000,000.00. It was paid to a tory activist.
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Actually to a £ 100 company with no assets set up by a tax advising company with no history or knowledge of procuring PPE, but with lots of contacts to the Johnston administration.

EDIT And brokered by a special advisor in Johnston's office !

Lots of wedge to be trousered by all.
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camroc1 wrote:Actually to a £ 100 company with no assets set up by a tax advising company with no history or knowledge of procuring PPE, but with lots of contacts to the Johnston administration.

EDIT And brokered by a special advisor in Johnston's office !

Lots of wedge to be trousered by all.
Someone commented on that deal on this very thread some time ago, something along the lines of 'what could possibly go wrong?'. I'm also sure the engagement was vigorously defended by the usual suspect(s).

Anyway, who has resigned due to this corrupt cockup?
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I remember reading about it but I didn't think they would get the wrong fücking masks. That is pretty gas considering there aren't that many types as we have all learned
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EverReady wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 56866.html
Fifty million masks that were meant to be used by the NHS now cannot be worn by staff because of safety issues, the government has admitted.

The FFP2 masks ordered by the government have ear loops instead of head loops, meaning there is a risk they would not be secure enough.
:lol:
One of my friends is 3D printing mask backstraps for these types of mask and donating them to the local hospital -something like 5c a shot

Surely, that is a possibility?
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Starting to surge in Ireland?
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Flockwitt wrote:Starting to surge in Ireland?
Hopefully not.

While we've had a significant amount of cases, they're off the back of blanket testing and are mostly all related to a couple of connected outbreaks. It's still not spreading significantly in the community (so to speak) so fingers crossed this outbreak will have an ending.

A stark reminder in all this is that most of our recent cases are asymptomatic.
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FFS

"A cross-party group of senior MPs, scientists and trade unions said that holidaymakers already staying in a country that has been added to the quarantine list should be given statutory sick pay during their two-week isolation, in an effort to improve compliance and help those unable to work."


Then a doubling down
"The acting leader of the Liberal Democrats, Ed Davey, said: “If the government wants people to quarantine, then they must make sure people have the financial means to do so.
“Rishi Sunak should not be leaving people in a position where they’re choosing between quarantining or putting food on the table"

If you can afford a foreign holiday you arent going to starve if you cant work for 2 weeks.
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bimboman wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Morgan14 wrote:
Leaders get no small amount of sympathy from me, there are no easy answers in this. I agree with the last guy in the article that a year without school (on top of the amount already effectively missed) isn't an option either.
Absolutely. There are no easy answers. Home schooling does work though. Many kids in remote Australia don't see the inside of a school until boarding school, and only then if their parents are rich graziers, as opposed to the itinerant workers. Parents, teachers and communities have to all be committed to the process. We have better tech now by a huge margin than in the past.


Yeah, let’s use the example of this tiny minority to make children learn at home.
No, to keep people safe, in the face of mounting evidence that children do spread the virus, as you've been denying happens because of the lack of any evidence. Now we have evidence, and yet you're still denying it happens.
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6.Jones wrote:
bimboman wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Morgan14 wrote:
Leaders get no small amount of sympathy from me, there are no easy answers in this. I agree with the last guy in the article that a year without school (on top of the amount already effectively missed) isn't an option either.
Absolutely. There are no easy answers. Home schooling does work though. Many kids in remote Australia don't see the inside of a school until boarding school, and only then if their parents are rich graziers, as opposed to the itinerant workers. Parents, teachers and communities have to all be committed to the process. We have better tech now by a huge margin than in the past.


Yeah, let’s use the example of this tiny minority to make children learn at home.
No, to keep people safe, in the face of mounting evidence that children do spread the virus, as you've been denying happens because of the lack of any evidence. Now we have evidence, and yet you're still denying it happens.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 61686.html

One incident reported from Israel isnt “mounting evidence” .....


And get f ucked with the “safe” stuff. More children are at risk from the Lockdowns than the virus.


The view that we can live a life without any risk is horrendous.
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Glaston wrote:FFS

"A cross-party group of senior MPs, scientists and trade unions said that holidaymakers already staying in a country that has been added to the quarantine list should be given statutory sick pay during their two-week isolation, in an effort to improve compliance and help those unable to work."


Then a doubling down
"The acting leader of the Liberal Democrats, Ed Davey, said: “If the government wants people to quarantine, then they must make sure people have the financial means to do so.
“Rishi Sunak should not be leaving people in a position where they’re choosing between quarantining or putting food on the table"

If you can afford a foreign holiday you arent going to starve if you cant work for 2 weeks.

The point would be to give people the confidence to undertake the economic activity to begin with, and to boost compliance after the event. Both seem understandable aims. Not sure SSP is going to do much on either front.
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Glaston wrote:FFS

"A cross-party group of senior MPs, scientists and trade unions said that holidaymakers already staying in a country that has been added to the quarantine list should be given statutory sick pay during their two-week isolation, in an effort to improve compliance and help those unable to work."


Then a doubling down
"The acting leader of the Liberal Democrats, Ed Davey, said: “If the government wants people to quarantine, then they must make sure people have the financial means to do so.
“Rishi Sunak should not be leaving people in a position where they’re choosing between quarantining or putting food on the table"

If you can afford a foreign holiday you arent going to starve if you cant work for 2 weeks.
Not if they get fired for not turning up for work after they used up all available leave days for those holidays.

(... OK, I don’t actually know how the British systems works, so I might be well off)
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UK positive tests rise above 1000 for the first time since 26 June, slow but steady rise since 1 July is not good. :uhoh:
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Insane_Homer wrote:UK positive tests rise above 1000 for the first time since 26 June, slow but steady rise since 1 July is not good. :uhoh:

Yep, positive tests have gone up from 0.6% to 0.61% of the tests taken.
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Insane_Homer wrote:UK positive tests rise above 1000 for the first time since 26 June, slow but steady rise since 1 July is not good. :uhoh:
Yep - a worrying trend. Hope they are getting a good handle on the situations that are leading to more cases. We really can't afford another general Lockdown - has to be targetted. But to do that we need reliable analysis - and I don't have a lot of faith in our system atm.
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A rise in positive tests without a similar increase in hospitalisations should not treated as a serious issue.
As the testing criteria has changed from 3/4 months ago, the two figures are non-comparable.
People are now being tested and found positive and they are not even sick.
Yes, keep measuring the no. of positive cases, but for understanding the serious side of things, the no of hospital admissions related to positive tests should also be published.
Life changing decisions for the whole population should not necessarily be based on the no. of positive tests, especially if there is no matching increase in people ending up in hospital.
The individuals testing positive should isolate, but should the rest of the population?
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Glaston wrote:FFS

"A cross-party group of senior MPs, scientists and trade unions said that holidaymakers already staying in a country that has been added to the quarantine list should be given statutory sick pay during their two-week isolation, in an effort to improve compliance and help those unable to work."


Then a doubling down
"The acting leader of the Liberal Democrats, Ed Davey, said: “If the government wants people to quarantine, then they must make sure people have the financial means to do so.
“Rishi Sunak should not be leaving people in a position where they’re choosing between quarantining or putting food on the table"

If you can afford a foreign holiday you arent going to starve if you cant work for 2 weeks.
If people were financially prudent we wouldn't be in a rising personal debt crisis in the west. It is quite common for people to come back from holiday having maxed out the credit card and desperate for cash.
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Leinster in London wrote:A rise in positive tests without a similar increase in hospitalisations should not treated as a serious issue.
As the testing criteria has changed from 3/4 months ago, the two figures are non-comparable.
People are now being tested and found positive and they are not even sick.
Yes, keep measuring the no. of positive cases, but for understanding the serious side of things, the no of hospital admissions related to positive tests should also be published.
Life changing decisions for the whole population should not necessarily be based on the no. of positive tests, especially if there is no matching increase in people ending up in hospital.
The individuals testing positive should isolate, but should the rest of the population?
A rise in positive tests has to be treated as a serious issue. There is no point waiting for the lagging rise in deaths. Ending lockdowns before eradication was always going to lead to a rise in positive tests. It's how the situations are managed that count.
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bimboman wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:UK positive tests rise above 1000 for the first time since 26 June, slow but steady rise since 1 July is not good. :uhoh:
Yep, positive tests have gone up from 0.6% to 0.61% of the tests taken.
Yep, clear correlation between increased testing and postive results :roll:

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Insane_Homer wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:UK positive tests rise above 1000 for the first time since 26 June, slow but steady rise since 1 July is not good. :uhoh:
Yep, positive tests have gone up from 0.6% to 0.61% of the tests taken.
Yep, clear correlation between increased testing and postive results :roll:

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Look it’s risen by .01% of those tested.
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bimboman wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:UK positive tests rise above 1000 for the first time since 26 June, slow but steady rise since 1 July is not good. :uhoh:
Yep, positive tests have gone up from 0.6% to 0.61% of the tests taken.
Yep, clear correlation between increased testing and postive results :roll:

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Look it’s risen by .01% of those tested.

OK. So it;s risen by 0.01% of those tested. Given that around 160,000 tests were run, that's accounts for 16 additional positive tests.

in context, the 7 day moving average has risen from 545 to nearly 876 over the past 4 weeks, so there''s definitely more cases out there. Some of that will be very localised spikes and if they can be contained then fine - but it needs to be very carefully managed, and it's definitely not just a case of us targeting testing better
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Saint wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:UK positive tests rise above 1000 for the first time since 26 June, slow but steady rise since 1 July is not good. :uhoh:
Yep, positive tests have gone up from 0.6% to 0.61% of the tests taken.
Yep, clear correlation between increased testing and postive results :roll:

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Look it’s risen by .01% of those tested.

OK. So it;s risen by 0.01% of those tested. Given that around 160,000 tests were run, that's accounts for 16 additional positive tests.

in context, the 7 day moving average has risen from 545 to nearly 876 over the past 4 weeks, so there''s definitely more cases out there. Some of that will be very localised spikes and if they can be contained then fine - but it needs to be very carefully managed, and it's definitely not just a case of us targeting testing better

Where are the randomised tests being done ?


Also if it’s mainly asymptotic we want the spread to continue amongst that group.
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bimboman wrote:
Saint wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:
bimboman wrote: Yep, positive tests have gone up from 0.6% to 0.61% of the tests taken.
Yep, clear correlation between increased testing and postive results :roll:

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Look it’s risen by .01% of those tested.

OK. So it;s risen by 0.01% of those tested. Given that around 160,000 tests were run, that's accounts for 16 additional positive tests.

in context, the 7 day moving average has risen from 545 to nearly 876 over the past 4 weeks, so there''s definitely more cases out there. Some of that will be very localised spikes and if they can be contained then fine - but it needs to be very carefully managed, and it's definitely not just a case of us targeting testing better

Where are the randomised tests being done ?


Also if it’s mainly asymptotic we want the spread to continue amongst that group.
Bimbo, did you actually mean asymptotic (e.g. in respect of the charts in earlier posts) or did your spellchecker do the dirty on you and change asymptomatic?

I can see why you (or anyone who thought about it) would prefer the virus to mutate towards something that doesn't express itself in serious illness, but I'm not getting the thing about the charts / curves.
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Interesting, The North West of England has overtaken London as having the highest death toll in England. How did that happen?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/ ... 20661.html

London may no longer have the worst coronavirus death toll in the country, according Public Health England data.

The capital has been overtaken by the North West, where there have been 6,935 deaths involving Covid-19. By comparison, there have been 6,887 coronavirus deaths in London over the same period, 48 fewer.

The figures emerged in the latest weekly Covid surveillance report from PHE, which includes data up until last Tuesday.


It also shows the North West has recorded 11,114 more cases of coronavirus than London since the pandemic began — 46,906 compared with 35,792.

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London has recorded 77 Covid deaths per 100,000 population, while the North West has seen 95 deaths per 100,000.


The continuing slowdown in mortality and comparatively low infection rate could provide reassurance to encourage more people to return to work in central London.

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According to PHE’s latest report, there were 30 more coronavirus deaths in London recorded in the previous seven days. The week before had seen 45 deaths in the capital.

Separate PHE figures seen by the Standard show that infection rates have increased week on week in 17 of the 32 boroughs but remain well below those recorded in the Midlands and North.

The highest rate was recorded in Hackney and the City — the two boroughs being combined for statistical purposes due to the small number of residents in the Square Mile — where 17 people per 100,000 population tested positive for the virus.

Barking and Dagenham was second highest at 12.3 cases per 100,000, followed by Hounslow on 10 and Barnet on 9.4. By comparison, Blackburn with Darwen was on 77.9, Leicester was on 55.5, Oldham on 56.5 and Bradford on 48.8.



London’s overall infection rate was estimated at 6.0 between July 29 and August 4, up 0.1 on the previous week but double the figure six weeks earlier after six successive weekly increases.

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PHE said a total of 4,130 new cases were detected across England in the most recent week, up 68 on the previous seven days. These figures relate to “pillar one” tests in hospitals and care homes and “pillar two” tests in drive-through centres and mobile units.

The PHE mortality figures contrast with those published by the Office for National Statistics, which are considered to offer the fullest estimate of the impact of Covid-19.


According to the ONS, a total of 8,479 deaths involving coronavirus had been registered in the capital up to July 24, and 7,708 in the North West.
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So UK Gov finally admit they got their testing strategy wrong. They've acknowledged that the privatised and centralised tracing by call centre has failed, shut it down, laid off large numbers of largely unused tracers and reallocated those who remain into local teams led by local PH teams. Its what the badly maligned John Ashton said they should have done on the infamous Question Time programme in March! Amazing how these experts seem to know what they are talking about!

Raises a number of questions: what has been the impact on infection rates of having a poorly performing test and track system? How much info/data has not been sent on to local PH teams from the centralised call centres? How much money has been spaffed up the wall trying this ill fated approach? Will the UK Gov try and get some of the £108m Serco contract costs back? How many of Boris's mates and Tory party members have made a few bob from these dodgy contracts? Why was failed Talk Talk CEO Dido, wife of Tory MP, appointed to lead this fiasco? Is she going to be sacked again now? Why the feck did they do this in the first place given all the professional advice to the contrary?

Forget all the shite they will be put up as a smoke screen about why they are doing this now and this is what they had planned to begin with, this is just another example of a major and expensive cock up by this Gov that has potentially cost a lot of lives. Perhaps the mobile app will come along and sort out all the track and trace issues?
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fudge, Covid confirmed in the community in New Zealand.
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BlueThunder wrote:fudge, Covid confirmed in the community in New Zealand.
:(

How though? Are you guys still all but cut off from possible transmission routes?
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BlueThunder wrote:fudge, Covid confirmed in the community in New Zealand.
One assumes at least one person did a runner from ‘managed isolation’. Or someone was receiving blowies or whatever from someone in etc etc.
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Auckland going into lockdown.

No known source.
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CM11 wrote:
BlueThunder wrote:fudge, Covid confirmed in the community in New Zealand.
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How though? Are you guys still all but cut off from possible transmission routes?
NZ citizens and a few others are still arriving but go into iso on arrival.
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MungoMan wrote:
CM11 wrote:
BlueThunder wrote:fudge, Covid confirmed in the community in New Zealand.
:(

How though? Are you guys still all but cut off from possible transmission routes?
NZ citizens and a few others are still arriving but go into iso on arrival.
Is everyone tested in isolation? And is it managed isolation?

Anyway, hopefully you guys can keep a lid on it but it's never good to not know the source, this thing can take hold so quickly.
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CM11 wrote:
BlueThunder wrote:fudge, Covid confirmed in the community in New Zealand.
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How though? Are you guys still all but cut off from possible transmission routes?
Citizens have been returning from overseas into managed isolation, we have had some escapees from quarantine. Flight, airport, hotel and security staff are also possible sources.
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dpedin wrote:So UK Gov finally admit they got their testing strategy wrong. They've acknowledged that the privatised and centralised tracing by call centre has failed, shut it down, laid off large numbers of largely unused tracers and reallocated those who remain into local teams led by local PH teams. Its what the badly maligned John Ashton said they should have done on the infamous Question Time programme in March! Amazing how these experts seem to know what they are talking about!

Raises a number of questions: what has been the impact on infection rates of having a poorly performing test and track system? How much info/data has not been sent on to local PH teams from the centralised call centres? How much money has been spaffed up the wall trying this ill fated approach? Will the UK Gov try and get some of the £108m Serco contract costs back? How many of Boris's mates and Tory party members have made a few bob from these dodgy contracts? Why was failed Talk Talk CEO Dido, wife of Tory MP, appointed to lead this fiasco? Is she going to be sacked again now? Why the feck did they do this in the first place given all the professional advice to the contrary?

Forget all the shite they will be put up as a smoke screen about why they are doing this now and this is what they had planned to begin with, this is just another example of a major and expensive cock up by this Gov that has potentially cost a lot of lives. Perhaps the mobile app will come along and sort out all the track and trace issues?


I’d be more concerned about the fiasco in Aberdeen than anything in England.
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CM11 wrote:
MungoMan wrote:
CM11 wrote:
BlueThunder wrote:fudge, Covid confirmed in the community in New Zealand.
:(

How though? Are you guys still all but cut off from possible transmission routes?
NZ citizens and a few others are still arriving but go into iso on arrival.
Is everyone tested in isolation? And is it managed isolation?

Anyway, hopefully you guys can keep a lid on it but it's never good to not know the source, this thing can take hold so quickly.
It's quarantine, but in a hotel, and they are tested at day 3 and 12.
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Why has Auckland changed it’s lockdown if the people testing positive are in quarantine?
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