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More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
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Ted. wrote:More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
Long term? The virus is 6 months old
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Ted. wrote:More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
Link?

And I guess what Duff said although organ damage is organ damage, if that's what this relates to.
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It appears the Russians have got Covid 19 nailed
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dpedin wrote:So UK Gov finally admit they got their testing strategy wrong. They've acknowledged that the privatised and centralised tracing by call centre has failed, shut it down, laid off large numbers of largely unused tracers and reallocated those who remain into local teams led by local PH teams. Its what the badly maligned John Ashton said they should have done on the infamous Question Time programme in March! Amazing how these experts seem to know what they are talking about!

Raises a number of questions: what has been the impact on infection rates of having a poorly performing test and track system? How much info/data has not been sent on to local PH teams from the centralised call centres? How much money has been spaffed up the wall trying this ill fated approach? Will the UK Gov try and get some of the £108m Serco contract costs back? How many of Boris's mates and Tory party members have made a few bob from these dodgy contracts? Why was failed Talk Talk CEO Dido, wife of Tory MP, appointed to lead this fiasco? Is she going to be sacked again now? Why the feck did they do this in the first place given all the professional advice to the contrary?

Forget all the shite they will be put up as a smoke screen about why they are doing this now and this is what they had planned to begin with, this is just another example of a major and expensive cock up by this Gov that has potentially cost a lot of lives. Perhaps the mobile app will come along and sort out all the track and trace issues?
Let's not pretend that dodgy Serco/G4S contracts are the sole preserve of the Tories, or the UK for that matter. How on earth they are still securing government contracts is completely beyond me. Numerous scandals, all protected by commercial confidentiality and no FOIs. In 2012 they took on 40k ex-civil servants (presumably leaving after the Blair years).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/new ... untry.html
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Ted. wrote:More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
A mate of mine had it pretty early, never ventilated but laid very low. He's a personal fitness coach - 3 months later he's just started going back to the gym. Still can't raise his voice. Was told that if he wasn't in such good physical shape he probably wouldn't have made it.

He had an antibody test last week, nothing.
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CM11 wrote:
Ted. wrote:More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
Link?

And I guess what Duff said although organ damage is organ damage, if that's what this relates to.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/11/us/c ... index.html
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I hear NZ is riddled
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He is very old though :nod:
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Duff Paddy wrote:
Ted. wrote:More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
Long term? The virus is 6 months old
But you can possibly see the effects it si having on lungs and the post infected outcomes and health issues and see that these are longer term health problems.
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eldanielfire wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Ted. wrote:More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
Long term? The virus is 6 months old
But you can possibly see the effects it si having on lungs and the post infected outcomes and health issues and see that these are longer term health problems.

In lots of cases pneumonia recovery takes at least a year. This isn’t unusual.
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bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Ted. wrote:More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
Long term? The virus is 6 months old
But you can possibly see the effects it si having on lungs and the post infected outcomes and health issues and see that these are longer term health problems.

In lots of cases pneumonia recovery takes at least a year. This isn’t unusual.
really?

https://www.blf.org.uk/support-for-you/ ... a/recovery
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ukjim wrote:
bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Ted. wrote:More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
Long term? The virus is 6 months old
But you can possibly see the effects it si having on lungs and the post infected outcomes and health issues and see that these are longer term health problems.

In lots of cases pneumonia recovery takes at least a year. This isn’t unusual.
really?

https://www.blf.org.uk/support-for-you/ ... a/recovery
Come on - seriously, you're suggesting we take the word of the Lung Foundation over Dr Bimbot.....
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That red balloon has a hint of Labour off it
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EverReady wrote:I hear NZ is riddled
With what ER?
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Frodder wrote:
EverReady wrote:I hear NZ is riddled
With what ER?
Covid amongst other things. Coming out the ying yang by all accounts
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Frodder wrote:
EverReady wrote:I hear NZ is riddled
With what ER?
Whiney British expats.

And x4 confirmed covid cases with no link to overseas travel or high risk occupation - quarantine or airport etc.

We will find out how good this track trace system works anyway.
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ukjim wrote:
bimboman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Ted. wrote:More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
Long term? The virus is 6 months old
But you can possibly see the effects it si having on lungs and the post infected outcomes and health issues and see that these are longer term health problems.

In lots of cases pneumonia recovery takes at least a year. This isn’t unusual.
really?

https://www.blf.org.uk/support-for-you/ ... a/recovery

Yes really.
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Admittedly it's been a few years since I have done my respiratory placements. But I will defer to your expertise
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ukjim wrote:Admittedly it's been a few years since I have done my respiratory placements. But I will defer to your expertise

They didn’t cover lung scarring ?
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Please tell me what percentage of cases end up with them...
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ukjim wrote:Please tell me what percentage of cases end up with them...

So now it’s an issue of %’s. Good for you.
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bimboman wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:UK positive tests rise above 1000 for the first time since 26 June, slow but steady rise since 1 July is not good. :uhoh:

Yep, positive tests have gone up from 0.6% to 0.61% of the tests taken.
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bimboman wrote:
dpedin wrote:So UK Gov finally admit they got their testing strategy wrong. They've acknowledged that the privatised and centralised tracing by call centre has failed, shut it down, laid off large numbers of largely unused tracers and reallocated those who remain into local teams led by local PH teams. Its what the badly maligned John Ashton said they should have done on the infamous Question Time programme in March! Amazing how these experts seem to know what they are talking about!

Raises a number of questions: what has been the impact on infection rates of having a poorly performing test and track system? How much info/data has not been sent on to local PH teams from the centralised call centres? How much money has been spaffed up the wall trying this ill fated approach? Will the UK Gov try and get some of the £108m Serco contract costs back? How many of Boris's mates and Tory party members have made a few bob from these dodgy contracts? Why was failed Talk Talk CEO Dido, wife of Tory MP, appointed to lead this fiasco? Is she going to be sacked again now? Why the feck did they do this in the first place given all the professional advice to the contrary?

Forget all the shite they will be put up as a smoke screen about why they are doing this now and this is what they had planned to begin with, this is just another example of a major and expensive cock up by this Gov that has potentially cost a lot of lives. Perhaps the mobile app will come along and sort out all the track and trace issues?


I’d be more concerned about the fiasco in Aberdeen than anything in England.
The usual Bimbo whataboutary!

Since you're asking, the Aberdeen situation is a worry but is being followed up by the local PH teams and the local track and protect system is working well. The local knowledge of the teams and the medics/GPs along with the local council, etc means they are following up all the known contacts and the number of new cases is slowing down. SG has followed the UK and NZ Govs example in imposing a local lock down to get the numbers under control. It was not unexpected, the SG modelling assumed a peak following opening up pubs and restaurants. We expect another one following opening of schools and same local systems will kick in. Biggest peak is expected in the Autumn and this will be a worry if it coincides with cold/flu season.

However to get back to the real fiasco - our world beating track and trace system - I presume Dame Dido will resign having presided over yet another organisational disaster and the UK Gov will admit publicly that their centralised approach to test and trace has been nothing other than a means for lining the pockets of some of their mates and biggest, excluding the russians, donors? It really has been a, to borrow bimbo's phrase, a complete feckin fiasco. They haven't really left themselves much time to build up the local systems and teams in time for the schools going back. A bunch of feckin gormless idiots!

PS Where's the world beating app?
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eldanielfire wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Ted. wrote:More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
Long term? The virus is 6 months old
But you can possibly see the effects it si having on lungs and the post infected outcomes and health issues and see that these are longer term health problems.
I ended up with a sub massive pulmonary embolism as a result of Covid19 and although perfectly fine now might end up on anti coagulants for a long time/forever? We shall see. However it is interesting that Tom Wood, ex England flanker ended up with exactly the same thing post covid19. Hopefully he will be back playing soon but for now it is no contact for him given the danger of bleeding etc.
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dpedin wrote:
bimboman wrote:
dpedin wrote:So UK Gov finally admit they got their testing strategy wrong. They've acknowledged that the privatised and centralised tracing by call centre has failed, shut it down, laid off large numbers of largely unused tracers and reallocated those who remain into local teams led by local PH teams. Its what the badly maligned John Ashton said they should have done on the infamous Question Time programme in March! Amazing how these experts seem to know what they are talking about!

Raises a number of questions: what has been the impact on infection rates of having a poorly performing test and track system? How much info/data has not been sent on to local PH teams from the centralised call centres? How much money has been spaffed up the wall trying this ill fated approach? Will the UK Gov try and get some of the £108m Serco contract costs back? How many of Boris's mates and Tory party members have made a few bob from these dodgy contracts? Why was failed Talk Talk CEO Dido, wife of Tory MP, appointed to lead this fiasco? Is she going to be sacked again now? Why the feck did they do this in the first place given all the professional advice to the contrary?

Forget all the shite they will be put up as a smoke screen about why they are doing this now and this is what they had planned to begin with, this is just another example of a major and expensive cock up by this Gov that has potentially cost a lot of lives. Perhaps the mobile app will come along and sort out all the track and trace issues?


I’d be more concerned about the fiasco in Aberdeen than anything in England.
The usual Bimbo whataboutary!

Since you're asking, the Aberdeen situation is a worry but is being followed up by the local PH teams and the local track and protect system is working well. The local knowledge of the teams and the medics/GPs along with the local council, etc means they are following up all the known contacts and the number of new cases is slowing down. SG has followed the UK and NZ Govs example in imposing a local lock down to get the numbers under control. It was not unexpected, the SG modelling assumed a peak following opening up pubs and restaurants. We expect another one following opening of schools and same local systems will kick in. Biggest peak is expected in the Autumn and this will be a worry if it coincides with cold/flu season.

However to get back to the real fiasco - our world beating track and trace system - I presume Dame Dido will resign having presided over yet another organisational disaster and the UK Gov will admit publicly that their centralised approach to test and trace has been nothing other than a means for lining the pockets of some of their mates and biggest, excluding the russians, donors? It really has been a, to borrow bimbo's phrase, a complete feckin fiasco. They haven't really left themselves much time to build up the local systems and teams in time for the schools going back. A bunch of feckin gormless idiots!

PS Where's the world beating app?


So it doesn’t affect Scotland. Anywhere else in the world doing a bad job you want to comment about, or does your bigotry just hang around these islands?



Tom Woods news says he didn’t have Covid.
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CM11 wrote:
Ted. wrote:More info coming out on the long term adverse health affects on people who had Covid 19 but were not serious enough to hospitalise.
Link?

And I guess what Duff said although organ damage is organ damage, if that's what this relates to.
Long term as in people who have had the virus and have deemed to be recovered still have adverse health affects that you would not expect after that amount of time from most viral infections. The feeling so far is that these adverse effects are at least long lastings with some apparent permanent damage including near blindness.

While I have read something similar recently, this particular information was via the car radio, an interview to a US medical person of some sort and a member of Covid Survivors Corps. https://www.facebook.com/groups/COVID19survivorcorps/

The primary issue this person was talking about was that most of these people flew under the radar as they were not hospitalised and were encouraged (in the US) to simply stay home rather than seek medical help.
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So UK daily cases jump to over 1,100 and the official site can't update due to 'technical difficulties' (aka urgent Govt 'review'[manipulation] of the figures) :roll:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Meanwhile the MSM press are - look at NZ, look at France and look there Ghost ships & dingies!!!

to go rather nicely with the added whammy of being the poorest performing G7 economy through the crisis. x(

What cronyism and corruption, did someone say Russians?
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Bimbovid looks to be giving Covid a run for its money, on here anyway.
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For the last 7 weeks, more Brits have been killed by flu and pneumonia than Covid.
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Source?

Is this "flu" in the same sense that Russia's had lots of flu?
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terryfinch wrote:For the last 7 weeks, more Brits have been killed by flu and pneumonia than Covid.
Is that how they are fudging the figures there.
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terryfinch wrote:For the last 7 weeks, more Brits have been killed by flu and pneumonia than Covid.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... -in-the-uk

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Enzedder wrote:
terryfinch wrote:For the last 7 weeks, more Brits have been killed by flu and pneumonia than Covid.
Is that how they are fudging the figures there.
we can't be sure, apparently there's now a "technical glitch", so very likely.
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Weird that flu is circulating more than covid in the vulnerable, particularly at this time of the year.
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The ONS data is here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

Overall deaths, irrespective of cause, have been lower than the 5 year average for the last 7 weeks for which we have figures; weeks ending June 19 - July 31*. You would need some pretty good evidence to allege that has been fudged, as it's just counting bodies.

* Not remotely close to off setting the massive increase from weeks 13-24, obviously - we're still up 56,000 deaths on the average for the previous 5 years, a 23% rise.

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I see the 4 NZ cases spread their love freely with 200+ close or casual contacts identified. All seem to have been symptomatic but I'd find it hard to blame them if their symptoms were mild as they would have assumed there was no way it could have been covid with no covid in the country.

Looks like it might have been imported via cold storage, one of the cases works for an American refrigeration company.

Yikes.
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Mahoney wrote:The ONS data is here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

Overall deaths, irrespective of cause, have been lower than the 5 year average for the last 7 weeks for which we have figures; weeks ending June 19 - July 31*. You would need some pretty good evidence to allege that has been fudged, as it's just counting bodies.

* Not remotely close to off setting the massive increase from weeks 13-24, obviously - we're still up 56,000 deaths on the average for the previous 5 years, a 23% rise.

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As I interpret that graph, it's all deaths? Terryfinch was referring to 'flu (and pneumonia) deaths, wasn't he?
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Enzedder wrote:
terryfinch wrote:For the last 7 weeks, more Brits have been killed by flu and pneumonia than Covid.
Is that how they are fudging the figures there.
No, new cases and hospitalisations have been falling for months after a near 3 month lockdown. It makes sense, let's not jump to hasty political assumptions and scream conspiracy like in the US.
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Rinkals wrote:As I interpret that graph, it's all deaths? Terryfinch was referring to 'flu (and pneumonia) deaths, wasn't he?
Attempts to differentiate between cause of death will be difficult and hence controversial. Straight deaths is not controversial, there have been very few cases where whether or not someone was dead was in dispute 10 days later.

The allegation was that in some way the classification of cause of death was being used to fudge the number of COVID deaths. If anything it looks like being the other way around - we have below average total deaths while still reporting substantial COVID deaths.
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