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Petej wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:41 am

Sefton wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:47 am Given the rate of infection being discussed with this new variant I don’t see how they can open schools in the SE and London in two weeks time, even the suggested mass testing, which is another discussion, won’t stop schools becoming super spreaders in the community.

Modelling so take the rate of infection increase just being the variant with a large pinch of salt and part of our governments communication strategy is to scare us after reacting too late. Having been a specialist in a very different subject area with certain useless managers you really have to push them to make the right decision which might mean scaring them. Worth noting that the uk and denmark are the most prolific sequencers in Europe.

Guido pointing out that Neil Ferguson is still on a Govt modelling group relating to the Virus.

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:17 pm

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:38 pm Is that our Silver from the bored on twitter?

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:31 pm

Margin_Walker wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:18 pm Isn't Nate essentially arguing for the UK vaccination priority approach, which clearly has been signed off by a scientist or two over here. He's certainly reaching with the 'actually looked at the evidence' piece, but to a layman the US approach does seem nuts. An absolute mountain of people seem to be in front of the elderly in the queue when it comes to vaccination.

Time to take up smoking if you're a yank?

Seems about right really. Healthcare workers and teachers a priority, the nhs has shitloads off work isolating and where schools are closed. No point jabbing the fossils if there’s nobody to care for them or feed them.

It's the idea that smoking is a 'high risk medical condition' that caught my eye. Prioritised above residential care facilities?

I’m guessing smokers are still working and paying tax?

YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:29 pm Good news my fellow EU citizens.

To quote Tony Connelly.
“ European Medical Agency approves BioNtech/Pfizer vaccine following clinical trials among 40,000 participants, says vaccine meets safety, efficacy and quality standards.

Exec dir Emer Cooke says EMA received data right up to the past few days from pharma companies which other regulators (UK + US) would not have received. EMA was "constantly" evaluating evidence + info was "more convincing than anticipated" hence bringing authorisation forward.

EMA: no evidence yet that the new strain is susceptible to antibodies generated by vaccine, however there is evidence that the vaccine is capable of generating neutralising antibodies which can neutralise different variants with mutations within the receptor binding domain.

Therefore "very likely" the vaccine will retain protection against this new variant”

So slooow.

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:43 pm

YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:29 pm Good news my fellow EU citizens.

To quote Tony Connelly.
“ European Medical Agency approves BioNtech/Pfizer vaccine following clinical trials among 40,000 participants, says vaccine meets safety, efficacy and quality standards.

Exec dir Emer Cooke says EMA received data right up to the past few days from pharma companies which other regulators (UK + US) would not have received. EMA was "constantly" evaluating evidence + info was "more convincing than anticipated" hence bringing authorisation forward.

EMA: no evidence yet that the new strain is susceptible to antibodies generated by vaccine, however there is evidence that the vaccine is capable of generating neutralising antibodies which can neutralise different variants with mutations within the receptor binding domain.

Therefore "very likely" the vaccine will retain protection against this new variant”

So slooow.

Even more damaging than the slowness of the EU approval process is the fact that they have only bought a tiny number of the Pfizer vaccinations. They were persuaded by Macron to instead buy millions of doses of the French Sanofi vaccine candidate. This has run into problems and won't be approved until next October at the earliest. This means many thousands of EU citizens will no doubt die due to politics and trying to appease the French.

YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:29 pm Good news my fellow EU citizens.

To quote Tony Connelly.
“ European Medical Agency approves BioNtech/Pfizer vaccine following clinical trials among 40,000 participants, says vaccine meets safety, efficacy and quality standards.

Exec dir Emer Cooke says EMA received data right up to the past few days from pharma companies which other regulators (UK + US) would not have received. EMA was "constantly" evaluating evidence + info was "more convincing than anticipated" hence bringing authorisation forward.

EMA: no evidence yet that the new strain is susceptible to antibodies generated by vaccine, however there is evidence that the vaccine is capable of generating neutralising antibodies which can neutralise different variants with mutations within the receptor binding domain.

Therefore "very likely" the vaccine will retain protection against this new variant”

Any agency that approves the vaccines in a few weeks will have more data than an agency that approves them today . I'm so shocked

terryfinch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:44 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:43 pm

YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:29 pm Good news my fellow EU citizens.

To quote Tony Connelly.
“ European Medical Agency approves BioNtech/Pfizer vaccine following clinical trials among 40,000 participants, says vaccine meets safety, efficacy and quality standards.

Exec dir Emer Cooke says EMA received data right up to the past few days from pharma companies which other regulators (UK + US) would not have received. EMA was "constantly" evaluating evidence + info was "more convincing than anticipated" hence bringing authorisation forward.

EMA: no evidence yet that the new strain is susceptible to antibodies generated by vaccine, however there is evidence that the vaccine is capable of generating neutralising antibodies which can neutralise different variants with mutations within the receptor binding domain.

Therefore "very likely" the vaccine will retain protection against this new variant”

So slooow.

Even more damaging than the slowness of the EU approval process is the fact that they have only bought a tiny number of the Pfizer vaccinations. They were persuaded by Macron to instead buy millions of doses of the French Sanofi vaccine candidate. This has run into problems and won't be approved until next October at the earliest. This means many thousands of EU citizens will no doubt die due to politics and trying to appease the French.

The EU has bought 300m Pfizer doses.

terryfinch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:44 pmThey were persuaded by Macron to instead buy millions of doses of the French Sanofi vaccine candidate. This has run into problems and won't be approved until next October at the earliest. This means many thousands of EU citizens will no doubt die due to politics and trying to appease the French.

Where the fück are you reading this?

It's amazing to think the vast majority of people in the UK likely to die if they contract this virus will have been vaccinated by the end of next month

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:09 pm

terryfinch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:44 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:43 pm

YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:29 pm Good news my fellow EU citizens.

To quote Tony Connelly.
“ European Medical Agency approves BioNtech/Pfizer vaccine following clinical trials among 40,000 participants, says vaccine meets safety, efficacy and quality standards.

Exec dir Emer Cooke says EMA received data right up to the past few days from pharma companies which other regulators (UK + US) would not have received. EMA was "constantly" evaluating evidence + info was "more convincing than anticipated" hence bringing authorisation forward.

EMA: no evidence yet that the new strain is susceptible to antibodies generated by vaccine, however there is evidence that the vaccine is capable of generating neutralising antibodies which can neutralise different variants with mutations within the receptor binding domain.

Therefore "very likely" the vaccine will retain protection against this new variant”

So slooow.

Even more damaging than the slowness of the EU approval process is the fact that they have only bought a tiny number of the Pfizer vaccinations. They were persuaded by Macron to instead buy millions of doses of the French Sanofi vaccine candidate. This has run into problems and won't be approved until next October at the earliest. This means many thousands of EU citizens will no doubt die due to politics and trying to appease the French.

The EU has bought 300m Pfizer doses.

Unlucky Terry

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:00 pm It's amazing to think the vast majority of people in the UK likely to die if they contract this virus will have been vaccinated by the end of next month

About time 2020 produced some good news.

The EU have ordered vaccines from at least 6 companies, AFAIK, totally up to 2bn doses.

Sanofi one of the main ones alright but the EU certainly didn't put their eggs all in one basket.

terryfinch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:44 pm

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:43 pm

YOYO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:29 pm Good news my fellow EU citizens.

To quote Tony Connelly.
“ European Medical Agency approves BioNtech/Pfizer vaccine following clinical trials among 40,000 participants, says vaccine meets safety, efficacy and quality standards.

Exec dir Emer Cooke says EMA received data right up to the past few days from pharma companies which other regulators (UK + US) would not have received. EMA was "constantly" evaluating evidence + info was "more convincing than anticipated" hence bringing authorisation forward.

EMA: no evidence yet that the new strain is susceptible to antibodies generated by vaccine, however there is evidence that the vaccine is capable of generating neutralising antibodies which can neutralise different variants with mutations within the receptor binding domain.

Therefore "very likely" the vaccine will retain protection against this new variant”

So slooow.

Even more damaging than the slowness of the EU approval process is the fact that they have only bought a tiny number of the Pfizer vaccinations. They were persuaded by Macron to instead buy millions of doses of the French Sanofi vaccine candidate. This has run into problems and won't be approved until next October at the earliest. This means many thousands of EU citizens will no doubt die due to politics and trying to appease the French.

I think it's 300 million doses. However the issue is the EU was indeed slow and make political decisions not following the Science on the issue. Data showed the US and UK vaccines were clearly miles ahead in the creation of a Vaccine then France. They rejected an initial offer of 500 million doses (broady half the population of the EU) last July due to these politics.

Das Spiegel reported that the EU refused to buy the Pfizer Vaccine in high doses so it didn't look like it was leaning too much on Germany, so the French Vaccine could get equal billing for European solidarity. So when it became apparent that was a screw-up they had to scramble in November to secure deals of considerably fewer doses.

This means they will be well down the line in receiving the majority of their order. A bunch of it, 180 million doses will be arriving in the 2nd half of next year. The UK is expected to be fully vaccinated by then (sans anti-vaxxer idiots of course).

CM11 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:19 pm The EU have ordered vaccines from at least 6 companies, AFAIK, totally up to 2bn doses.

Sanofi one of the main ones alright but the EU certainly didn't put their eggs all in one basket.

They cant be accused of rushing things

EU orders 80m more Covid vaccine doses from Moderna

European bloc under pressure to roll out vaccinations as coronavirus cases rise

The EU has ordered a further 80m doses of the Moderna Covid-19 vaccine and brought forward plans to assess the shot for approval in a sign of the growing pressure on the European Commission to roll out vaccinations across the 27-member bloc.

The European Medicines Agency said its relevant committee would now meet on January 6 to discuss Moderna’s application for a conditional marketing authorisation, six days earlier than previously planned.

https://www.ft.com/content/9a3af55e-c66 ... 10ce005cd0

This means they will be well down the line in receiving the majority of their order. A bunch of it, 180 million doses will be arriving in the 2nd half of next year. The UK is expected to be fully vaccinated by then (sans anti-vaxxer idiots of course).

Thats too late if true - needs to be expedited right now - every day is critical particularly if the new strain is in circulation.

I cant believe this will hold - most European countries just to well organised not to get it done before then even with EMA being tardy.

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:14 pm

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:09 pm The EU has bought 300m Pfizer doses.

Unlucky Terry

It's when will these orders be fulfilled that i'd keep my eye on. I think the UK ordered theirs in July and the EU ordered theirs in November. Will the UK get stiffed to fulfil a bigger order and will everyone get stiffed by the yanks

The EU has badly fücked up. All its failings - slowness, constant national bartering, lowest common denominator outcomes - all coming together in the one critical area where it's literally a matter life and death. Der Spiegel has done an in depth exposé of the failings.

It will be a huge scandal when vaccinated John Bull is out partying in March while the Germans are still dying off in droves, desperate for a vaccine they made but can't even access.

These are all very mixed messages:
- Monday: London goes into Tier 3
- extension of furlough into April, indicating more lockdown measures.
- Wednesday: PMQ's and Boris rules out Christmas measures as that would be inhumane
- Tier review, no further big changes on Thursday
- big panic on Saturday with the introduction of Tier 4 for London/South East and a new scary virus mutation; Christmas is limited to 24hours, transport panic
- border closures on Sunday, and news reports on Dover being blocked

Monday impromptu news conference: no new measures, Dover is being dealt with and the news reports are exaggerating, no Brexit extension, we'll be okay by Easter.

So when do we think the national lockdown will be announced, 24th or 27th?

terryfinch wrote:Even more damaging than the slowness of the EU approval process is the fact that they have only bought a tiny number of the Pfizer vaccinations. They were persuaded by Macron to instead buy millions of doses of the French Sanofi vaccine candidate. This has run into problems and won't be approved until next October at the earliest. This means many thousands of EU citizens will no doubt die due to politics and trying to appease the French.

I think their initial order back in the summer was for 100m doses which would be enough to treat 50m people. Then in November they apparently ordered 200m doses of Pfizer's Covid vaccine with an option for 100m more. As an aside my misses works for Sanofi. I asked her WTF was going on with their vaccine and she gave a gallic shrug.

Gospel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:32 pm

terryfinch wrote:Even more damaging than the slowness of the EU approval process is the fact that they have only bought a tiny number of the Pfizer vaccinations. They were persuaded by Macron to instead buy millions of doses of the French Sanofi vaccine candidate. This has run into problems and won't be approved until next October at the earliest. This means many thousands of EU citizens will no doubt die due to politics and trying to appease the French.

I think their initial order back in the summer was for 100m doses which would be enough to treat 50m people. Then in November they apparently ordered 200m doses of Pfizer's Covid vaccine with an option for 100m more. As an aside my misses works for Sanofi. I asked her WTF was going on with their vaccine and she gave a gallic shrug.

Story checks out.

Gospel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:32 pm

terryfinch wrote:Even more damaging than the slowness of the EU approval process is the fact that they have only bought a tiny number of the Pfizer vaccinations. They were persuaded by Macron to instead buy millions of doses of the French Sanofi vaccine candidate. This has run into problems and won't be approved until next October at the earliest. This means many thousands of EU citizens will no doubt die due to politics and trying to appease the French.

I think their initial order back in the summer was for 100m doses which would be enough to treat 50m people. Then in November they apparently ordered 200m doses of Pfizer's Covid vaccine with an option for 100m more. As an aside my misses works for Sanofi. I asked her WTF was going on with their vaccine and she gave a gallic shrug.

It's shit so they are going back to the drawing board in essence

MrDominator wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:46 pm The EU has badly fücked up. All its failings - slowness, constant national bartering, lowest common denominator outcomes - all coming together in the one critical area where it's literally a matter life and death. Der Spiegel has done an in depth exposé of the failings.

It will be a huge scandal when vaccinated John Bull is out partying in March while the Germans are still dying off in droves, desperate for a vaccine they made but can't even access.

Just as well you left so. Otherwise you might have the worst covid statistics in all of Europe and nobody to blame

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:55 pm

Gospel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:32 pm

terryfinch wrote:Even more damaging than the slowness of the EU approval process is the fact that they have only bought a tiny number of the Pfizer vaccinations. They were persuaded by Macron to instead buy millions of doses of the French Sanofi vaccine candidate. This has run into problems and won't be approved until next October at the earliest. This means many thousands of EU citizens will no doubt die due to politics and trying to appease the French.

I think their initial order back in the summer was for 100m doses which would be enough to treat 50m people. Then in November they apparently ordered 200m doses of Pfizer's Covid vaccine with an option for 100m more. As an aside my misses works for Sanofi. I asked her WTF was going on with their vaccine and she gave a gallic shrug.

It's shit so they are going back to the drawing board in essence

Most vaccines fail - imagine if we had been relying on them alone to romp home ?

The mRNA paradigm is going to change the scene for a multitude of indications. Trying to figure out why I am not buying a tonne of Moderna stock given their pipeline. Way ahead of the rest.

There is normally a sell-off after the initial approval rush ... then time to buy, assuming they have the supply chain to deliver what they have promised. That's where Pfizer and Moderna are chalk and cheese in terms of ability to scale up.

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:16 pm

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:55 pm

Gospel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:32 pm

terryfinch wrote:Even more damaging than the slowness of the EU approval process is the fact that they have only bought a tiny number of the Pfizer vaccinations. They were persuaded by Macron to instead buy millions of doses of the French Sanofi vaccine candidate. This has run into problems and won't be approved until next October at the earliest. This means many thousands of EU citizens will no doubt die due to politics and trying to appease the French.

I think their initial order back in the summer was for 100m doses which would be enough to treat 50m people. Then in November they apparently ordered 200m doses of Pfizer's Covid vaccine with an option for 100m more. As an aside my misses works for Sanofi. I asked her WTF was going on with their vaccine and she gave a gallic shrug.

It's shit so they are going back to the drawing board in essence

Most vaccines fail - imagine if we had been relying on them alone to romp home ?

I think most of us got passed needing that explained by the time our countries had signed up to their fifth different supplier

Anyway with the Blockade of the UK the EU can now take all the UK vaccine.














Great planning

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:20 pm

Botha Boy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:16 pm

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:55 pm

Gospel wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:32 pm

terryfinch wrote:Even more damaging than the slowness of the EU approval process is the fact that they have only bought a tiny number of the Pfizer vaccinations. They were persuaded by Macron to instead buy millions of doses of the French Sanofi vaccine candidate. This has run into problems and won't be approved until next October at the earliest. This means many thousands of EU citizens will no doubt die due to politics and trying to appease the French.

I think their initial order back in the summer was for 100m doses which would be enough to treat 50m people. Then in November they apparently ordered 200m doses of Pfizer's Covid vaccine with an option for 100m more. As an aside my misses works for Sanofi. I asked her WTF was going on with their vaccine and she gave a gallic shrug.

It's shit so they are going back to the drawing board in essence

Most vaccines fail - imagine if we had been relying on them alone to romp home ?

I think most of us got passed needing that explained by the time our countries had signed up to their fifth different supplier

Seems like you are well sorted so ... nothing to see here ...

YOYO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:18 am The Northern Ireland Executive votes against GB-NI travel ban. Of course it’s the DUP and their allies who voted against the travel ban.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55406075

Now because we don’t have aligned NI-Ireland Covid response action plans on the island, this mean the DUP and co are allowing the virulent stain of Covid to run rampant on the island by allowing it to continue to come in through the north.
The DUP would hate to be different from their motherland masters even if it means increased infections and deaths. Nutcases.

NI and - by extension - I (R. of) would fare so much better if NI had this type of leadership.





“Tell Someone Who Cares” Palaszczuk Tells Sydneysiders Cancelling Queensland Holidays

ERROL PARKER | Editor-at-large | Contact

As millions of people around the country have had their Christmas plans shaken up due to the Northern Beaches outbreak in Sydney, the Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has made no apologies about putting the safety of the nation’s greatest state first.

“Tell someone who cares,” she told journalists this morning in Brisbane.

The Premier was asked by journalists if she thought about the Christmas plans of Sydneysiders who have had to cancel plans to come to Queensland in the coming days.

“Because I don’t. I make no apologies to anyone. In fact, if you’ve had to cancel plans to come to Queensland because you live in the Greater Sydney Area, you can go and get f**ked. Suck eggs. Honestly, the way you f**king rat people treated Melbourne this year, f**king hell. What a dollop of karma this is,”

“Go spend your dollars in Queanbeyan or something, I don’t give a shit.”

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has labelled Ms Palaszczuk’s comments “disappointing” and “counter productive” but she remains committed to working with her Queensland counterpart to resolve the border issue before Easter.

“It’s like that Michael Leunig cartoon about talking to your shoe,” said Berejiklian.

“I might as well put a mobile phone in my shoe, then ring that phone and try to speak to my shoe. That’s what it’s like,”

“But whatever, I’m just glad this Northern Beaches outbreak is Dan Andrews’ fault.”

More to come.

Christmas is not cancelled.






Its just on Australian terms.

There have been many well-documented cases of viruses leaking from labs. The first Sars virus, for example, leaked twice from the National Institute of Virology in Beijing in 2004, long after the outbreak had been brought under control.

The practice of genetically manipulating viruses is also not new, allowing scientists to make them more infectious or more deadly, so they can assess the threat and, perhaps, develop treatments or vaccines.

And from the moment it was isolated and sequenced, scientists have been struck by the remarkable ability of Sars-Cov-2 to infect humans.

The possibility that it acquired that ability as a result of manipulation in a laboratory was taken seriously enough for an influential group of international scientists to address it head on.

Fvcken Chinese!!!

Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:40 am Christmas is not cancelled.






Its just on Australian terms.

Forecast: max 28 degrees C, min 19 degrees C; cloudy; medium (50%) chance of showers; light winds becoming easterly 15 to 20 km/h during the afternoon then becoming light during the evening; no plague deaths expected.

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:08 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:46 pm The EU has badly fücked up. All its failings - slowness, constant national bartering, lowest common denominator outcomes - all coming together in the one critical area where it's literally a matter life and death. Der Spiegel has done an in depth exposé of the failings.

It will be a huge scandal when vaccinated John Bull is out partying in March while the Germans are still dying off in droves, desperate for a vaccine they made but can't even access.

Just as well you left so. Otherwise you might have the worst covid statistics in all of Europe and nobody to blame

The UK currently neither has the highest death rate, the highest numbe rof deaths or the highest number of cases. Also no one has been seriously baking the EU over anything COVID related. Except maybe non-Europeans who are having digs.

The Optimist wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:53 am

There have been many well-documented cases of viruses leaking from labs. The first Sars virus, for example, leaked twice from the National Institute of Virology in Beijing in 2004, long after the outbreak had been brought under control.

The practice of genetically manipulating viruses is also not new, allowing scientists to make them more infectious or more deadly, so they can assess the threat and, perhaps, develop treatments or vaccines.

And from the moment it was isolated and sequenced, scientists have been struck by the remarkable ability of Sars-Cov-2 to infect humans.

The possibility that it acquired that ability as a result of manipulation in a laboratory was taken seriously enough for an influential group of international scientists to address it head on.

Fvcken Chinese!!!

It amazes me that Covid could escape a level 4 biosafety facility.

If only they'd thought to wear a f**king mask!

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:09 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:08 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:46 pm The EU has badly fücked up. All its failings - slowness, constant national bartering, lowest common denominator outcomes - all coming together in the one critical area where it's literally a matter life and death. Der Spiegel has done an in depth exposé of the failings.

It will be a huge scandal when vaccinated John Bull is out partying in March while the Germans are still dying off in droves, desperate for a vaccine they made but can't even access.

Just as well you left so. Otherwise you might have the worst covid statistics in all of Europe and nobody to blame

The UK currently neither has the highest death rate, the highest numbe rof deaths or the highest number of cases. Also no one has been seriously baking the EU over anything COVID related. Except maybe non-Europeans who are having digs.

In the early days, Johnson's boys were constantly doing comparisons with Europe on deaths and death rates (and measuring them differently) and, after a long, long break when that ceased to be convenient, the St George's Flag is now proudly aloft once again because Italy....

Classy as ever

shereblue wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:55 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:09 pm

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:08 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:46 pm The EU has badly fücked up. All its failings - slowness, constant national bartering, lowest common denominator outcomes - all coming together in the one critical area where it's literally a matter life and death. Der Spiegel has done an in depth exposé of the failings.

It will be a huge scandal when vaccinated John Bull is out partying in March while the Germans are still dying off in droves, desperate for a vaccine they made but can't even access.

Just as well you left so. Otherwise you might have the worst covid statistics in all of Europe and nobody to blame

The UK currently neither has the highest death rate, the highest numbe rof deaths or the highest number of cases. Also no one has been seriously baking the EU over anything COVID related. Except maybe non-Europeans who are having digs.

In the early days, Johnson's boys were constantly doing comparisons with Europe on deaths and death rates (and measuring them differently) and, after a long, long break when that ceased to be convenient, the St George's Flag is now proudly aloft once again because Italy....

Classy as ever

Who was?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-englan ... r-53827257

Un F***ing believable

Actually not sure when it happened but still incredible things like this occur.

Magpie26 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:29 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-englan ... r-53827257

Un F***ing believable

Actually not sure when it happened but still incredible things like this occur.

All these months later and still fuming!

AnkleTap wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:42 pm

Magpie26 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:29 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-englan ... r-53827257

Un F***ing believable

Actually not sure when it happened but still incredible things like this occur.

All these months later and still fuming!

C**ts like this have f**ked up my Christmas holiday plans and may not get a refund back on the booking......so of course I am still fuming

Very cool if this works, a Chinese startup wants to create glasses that spot Coronavirus symptoms

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... s-symptom/

Watch: Sunglasses developed to spot people with coronavirus symptom
Demand rises for sunglasses that allow user to 'see' peoples' temperatures

By
Telegraph Video
1 May 2020 • 4:22pm

A Chinese startup called Rokid Inc has developed a pair of augmented reality glasses to help screen for coronavirus symptoms.

Rokid, a developer of artificial intelligence and augmented reality technology for manufacturing and gaming applications, began making the accessory known as T1 to help 'see' peoples' temperatures.

The glasses took two weeks to develop and are equipped with an infrared sensor and a camera.

Rokid Vice President Xiang Wenjie says demand has risen for the sunglasses after it sold roughly 1,000 pairs to governments, industrial parks and schools.

The company says it is now is upgrading the T1 to take multiple temperature readings simultaneously for use in places like malls and airports.

Looks like new South African variant has reached UK and could be more transmissible than the English variant

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:24 pm Looks like new South African variant has reached UK and could be more transmissible than the English variant

Remember because of its genomic sequencing capacity the UK is better at detecting new variants - likely its spread more widely.